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Thorin "LOGIC"
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Norway device_is_overrated 
Loves Device and calls him one of the greatest players in CS GO but HATES JAME and CALLS HIM a BAITER, when he has the exact role and playstyle as Device. Thank god this hypocrite and gold nova is not invited to top tournaments anymore. This proved he has no idea how this game works. He is only good at producing outside of the game narratives and being a history teacher.
2019-06-17 17:34
#1
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Brunei GucciLele 
How much?
2019-06-17 17:35
#94
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Other khorkalba 
Thorin has a very irrational like/dislike for certain players. He'll shit on a player he doesn't like for having their first mediocre event in months, yet praise someone like Ex6tenz for having his first good tournament placing in years. He's also demonstrated on a number of occasions that he has a Gold Nova understanding of game mechanics despite being very knowledgable of CS history. For example, he'll overrate things most LEM players would think to do but Gold Novas wouldn't as a genius play, like faking footsteps to make an enemy think they've rotated.
2019-06-17 18:56
“Thorin has a very irrational like/dislike for certain players. “ It’s only normal, everyone is full of biases, even when you think you don’t
2019-06-17 19:20
#139
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Other khorkalba 
Of course, but I think for people with asperger syndrome (like Thorin) it can be a lot more extreme and irrational. For example, a normal person may prefer blue to yellow, but a person with asperger syndrome may become completely obsessed with the colour blue, and absolutely hate the colour yellow because they associate it with negative feelings. In extreme cases, people with asperger syndrome display something called selective mutism, where they won't even talk or make eye contact with most people, but then with others they will be excessively friendly.
2019-06-17 19:30
I get what you mean but the colour example was not the best
2019-06-17 20:16
He's an analyst that does this for a living. His bias goes way beyond what's considered professional.
2019-06-17 23:04
If so, almost no one could become an analyst
2019-06-17 23:27
Most analysts don't have his level of bias, why in the world was he fanboying Ex6tenz for so long?
2019-06-17 23:58
#173
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Brunei GucciLele 
So you hate Moses aswell? He is fucking biased towards every NA team.
2019-06-18 00:30
Thorin bias borders on illogical, I'm not against all bias. How can you justify Thorin's years long fanboying on Ex6tenz?
2019-06-18 00:46
#178
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Brunei GucciLele 
Moses is fucking WAY more illogical... Yeah i know C9 are fucking garbage and are playing vs the best team in the world, but today i think they will win cus im from NA and i love all NA teams. Cus he appreciate his style of IGL? idk man, ask him not me
2019-06-18 00:48
This is honestly just "whataboutism". These are just 2 analysts/commentators and I'm not defending either of them. How does Moses being illogical make Thorin any more logical? Thorin's Ex6 praise imo is way more illogical still. What has Ex6 even done in CSGO? He peaked in source, and maybe won a single tier 1 tournament in CSGO in 2013 (ESL Major Series One 2013 I think?). There is no reason to even talk about the guy past 2014, but Thorin kept going years later.
2019-06-18 01:47
#184
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Other khorkalba 
Moses gets away with it more because he's just a desk personality. He's basically there to compliment the more serious, tactically minded analysts. A part of his persona is to always believe in NA hope even when NA doesn't have a good team. When there isn't an NA team, he'll often pick the underdog. Thorin meanwhile doesn't just take himself seriously as an analyst, he also presents himself as an esports historian. This makes his bias towards/against certain players very concerning because he can effectively re-write the history of CS:GO to suit his own fanboy narratives. Sure, stats will always be there to contradict him, but stats only reveal so much. 10 years from now, if Thorin maintains that Ex6tenz was a better IGL than FalleN, a lot of people will believe him.
2019-06-18 02:02
#186
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Brunei GucciLele 
Im not saying Thorin is right by saying Ex6tenz is better than Fallen, also im pretty sure Thorin have never said that on a broadcast, but nvm. I just think ppl are being very hypocritical saying Thorin is biased AF, but dont have a problem with Moses always favoring NA teams. Or in the start of CS:GO that Anders was a big NiP fan. The only reason they are hating on Thorin, is cus they hate him. Moses is WAY more biased than Thorin.
2019-06-18 02:17
#187
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Other khorkalba 
Again, Moses and Anders don't present themselves as serious analysts or esports historians. If Moses says that he thinks Vega Squadron can go all the way and win a major because he loves the shark memes, that's not the same as Thorin making a top 10 greatest players of all time list that includes/excludes players based on his favouritism. One is intended to be taken seriously, and the other isn't.
2019-06-18 02:23
#188
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Brunei GucciLele 
So by not calling moses biased and calling Thorin biased, they are basically saying Thorins opinions are worth more? Also, he can be as biased as he wants, as long as he have stats to prove his point. Ex. Thorin think Neo is the best 1,6 player, but you could say they same thing about f0rest. So its Thorins bias that decide what he thinks is more important to pick the number 1 and number 2.
2019-06-18 02:27
#190
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Other khorkalba 
He doesn't need stats to prove his point. because most people will be too lazy to check. They will take his opinion as fact. Nobody takes Moses and Anders seriously because they've always made joke predictions or made silly tongue-in-cheek remarks.
2019-06-18 02:39
#196
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Denmark MeToxi 
Its all a part of their charm.
2019-06-18 10:52
#133
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Sweden Mejtz 
he doesnt praise ex6tenz for that but okay, he praises him for being one of the best igl in the world or was
2019-06-17 19:23
So if I play same role and playstyle as device then I'd be automatically great player? That's not how it works.
2019-06-17 17:36
Did i say that? No i didn't. I can use the same logic back at you. If Device has the same playstyle as Jame he is great and NOT a baiter, but when Jame uses the same playstyle he is BAITING? Sick logic.
2019-06-17 17:39
Role and playing style are just flavors and not the meat. The meat is winning through whatever methods.
2019-06-17 17:47
Literally irrelevant. I was exposing Thorin's hypocrisy. Calls Jame a baiter because he is playing for a tier 2 team, but is a fanboy of Device because he is on a tier 1 team and has won majors. Hypocrisy!
2019-06-17 17:48
So any points of view that goes against you pointing out thorins hyprocisy are irrelevant? Ok.
2019-06-17 17:54
Yes irrelevant because that wasn't my original argument. If you want to respond to my argument fine, if you're gonna strawman and reply to something i didnt even say then YES that is irrelevant.
2019-06-17 17:56
How am I misrepresenting your argument?
2019-06-17 18:02
#160
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South Africa nimmaJ 
He didnt strawman at all, just exposed your argument for being weak
2019-06-17 22:43
#53
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China Grenadr 
Maybe Device makes it work and Jame doesn't?
2019-06-17 18:01
That wasn't the point AGAIN. Thorin calls one a BAITER, but loves the other guy. Making it work has nothing to do with this argument.
2019-06-17 18:02
#60
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China Grenadr 
Maybe one is playing for stats and the other is playing for round win?
2019-06-17 18:10
+1
2019-06-17 18:40
#73
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United Kingdom mullacp 
it has everypoint to do with it, if device actually baits (which he doesnt) then its probably for a reason as his team still tends to win, jame baits super fucking hard and his team loses
2019-06-17 18:40
Lmfaoooo so what? THEY BOTH BAIT so whats your point? Call them both baiters then not just Jame. Just because Device has a better team and wins games means he is NOT a baiter? What a terrible argument hypocrites smh! The argument wasn't if baiting is ok or bad, the argument was that only one of them gets called a baiter when they have the same playstyle.
2019-06-17 18:43
#161
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Jame baits a lot harder though, and hes the IGL or at least co-IGL. Meaning hes calling around himself. When device baits it's likely a set tactic by gla1ve, when jame baits hes literally putting himself in the safest possible positions and then trying to clutch out. Device baiting = more team oriented James baiting = stat whoring at times And despite Jame being their best player there are rounds he actively loses, much more often than device does for his team, by not covering his teammates.
2019-06-17 22:48
But in the END they both bait. My thread wasn't about BAITING is bad, it was about Thorin being a hypocrite and calling Jame a baiter, when all he's doing is doing his job and his role in his team.
2019-06-17 22:57
#166
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South Africa nimmaJ 
But Jame more often fails his role, by baiting/not covering his teammates, than device does. And that's why he gets called a baiter. Device rarely loses rounds for his team by not helping them, it happens to Jame way more often and results in round losses way more often. Not that the style doesnt work (for Avangar) I personally think they are greater than the sum of their parts but they would be even stronger if Jame played a little less individualistic at times. While device in terms of teamplay and cohesion is basically a model citizen.
2019-06-17 23:01
#197
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Denmark MeToxi 
I think the argument really is that Device doesn't bait in the negative sense of the word but Jame does? So in theory, device isn't baiting but really just helping his team win whereas Jame is baiting by not helping his team but boosting his stats instead? The word have several meanings and when someone calls Jame a baiter but not device, its because they're going for the negatively implied version of the word and not the tactical part. Thats at least how I understand it. I haven't watched much of Jame though so I wouldn't know if its true. EDIT: Just to add that I don't really think that device is much of a baiter in any meanings of the word. Maybe small, "Jump across and I'll take the shot" kinda baits but that's all tactical.
2019-06-18 11:04
#172
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United Kingdom mullacp 
+1
2019-06-18 00:29
Jame is a baiter, thats just his role. Dev1ce isn't. They definitely aren't the same in that aspect. What context was this in?
2019-06-17 19:15
Then i suggest you go download some demos and rethink your position. Have a nice day!
2019-06-17 19:18
Rethink my position on what? I'm not twitch chat by the way, i'm asking for context to know whether thorin complained, Jame's baiting is successful and fitted into the team, and i have seen enough of dev1ce to decide that by my standards he isn't much of a baiter. Sure his playstyle involves baiting slightly but no where near to Jame's which is based upon it as is his team.
2019-06-17 19:21
mhm...
2019-06-17 19:30
There's no point to even argue , he'll defend his countryman and it's totally understandable , adding to it a fact they have only 1 known player internationaly , they definitely need a hero , and to be more serious Thorin is not being invated for major tournaments for a reason.He's toxic/racist/and definitely not objective . All he's currently doing , is just blaming whole world for his failure and losted occasion on being international tv presenter for cs community. Poor frustrated dude , I even feel sorry for him , however he worked hard to get him out of the community. What goes around , comes around. Karma is a bia*ch
2019-06-17 19:30
#25
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Finland Teukkasd 
rekt
2019-06-17 17:46
#3
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Hungary mEZENCEphalon 
How much?
2019-06-17 17:37
device saves a lot jame literally baits and statpads how are they the same just because they play a defensive awp role?
2019-06-17 17:37
Read your own sentences again, you answered your own question.
2019-06-17 17:39
Saving doesn't = baiting and statpadding. Saving is the result of your teammates failing to do what they're suppost to, it's only natural for the awper to be the last alive and thus they save more often + due to the fact that that AWP literally costs 4.75k. device is a defensive awper but atleast he plays in a system where he is a vital part to the team's strategies, jame is also defensive but to an insane extent where he baits and ends up saving rather that trade fragging his teammates and getting a chance to win a clutch.
2019-06-17 23:02
Yeah because Jame is not a vital part of his team strategies, and he just saves for no reason. SMH.
2019-06-18 00:51
''he just saves for no reason'' i literally just told you why he saves, he's way too often too passive to trade frag and commit to engagements that are often needed for his team to win rounds = NOT GOOD FOR HIS TEAM. Why am i even talking to someone comparing jame to device xd..
2019-06-18 01:09
i remember once watching an astralis game where device got the opening kill on CT A site from jungle and ran all the way to kitchen to save his awp in 5v4 and they lost the round.
2019-06-17 17:42
xD
2019-06-17 17:48
#57
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India Bhookhiatma 
He saved the avp tho
2019-06-17 18:03
#162
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Right... cause his teammates gave up 3 1v1s and the tactic was to move the AWP around the map. Perfectly possible he rotates to B they execute B and he gets a triple. Rotates dont always work.
2019-06-17 22:50
#102
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Romania s0NYk 
+1
2019-06-17 19:03
same goes for 99% blind fanboys of s1mple... device saving - exit fragger jame saving - baiter, playing for hltv stats(just lmao) BUT s1mple saving - the goat, poor guy who has to carry 3 bots
2019-06-17 17:37
Lmfao comparing 2 role players (jame and device) to an all round player like s1mple who can do everything. Clutching, entrying, awping, everything.
2019-06-17 17:40
dev1ce can do everything as well...he is also former rifler just like s1mple and one of the most versatile player in general. dont see your point rly
2019-06-17 17:41
I agree that he can do everything but not right now. For the moment 90% of the time he awps, he will rarely rifle on t side in the begining when the economy is low.
2019-06-17 17:42
dude...even tho that astralis is in slump, device is still insane individually. "For the moment 90% of the time he awps, he will rarely rifle on t side" hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7998/s1mpl.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7592/devic.. what are you even talking about...?
2019-06-17 17:45
Lmfao do you realize you just proved my point OMEGALUL. And if Device is STILL insane individually BASED on stats because that's what all of you fanboys base your opinions on, then JAME has been INSANE as well for Avangar.
2019-06-17 17:47
If you don't base performance on stats what do you base it on?
2019-06-17 17:49
On actual games and context. But most people just come to hltv and check the matchpage to form an opinion. Stats will NEVER show the full story. Everything is not black/white. You will always have good stats if you play device's/jame's playstyle. That doesn't mean your insane, that just means you're doing your job given to you by your team (nothing wrong with that). Just like if you're a pure entry player who plays on an execute heavy team, you might have bad stats most of the time, because that type of role is extremely hard.
2019-06-17 17:52
how exactly did i prove your point? did you even open those links? device has "only" 44.8% kills with awp while s1mple 49.43% yet you bash device for picking awp 90% of the time while you prize s1mple for being the best hybrid player. his second most used weapon is, surpriese surprise, ak: T-side rifle weapon even tho that you blindly claimed that he barely picks rifle on T-side. you are just deluded hater/fanboy like 90% of hltv and i clearly proved you wrong with FACTS. btw i didnt say single word about jame so why do you even brought him here?
2019-06-17 17:52
Again you prove how stupid you device fanboys are. I never hated on device and i clearly said he picks the ak on t side in the begining. Idiots like you think you can buy the AWP on pistol round. Ofc the awp stats will be around 40-50% because you can't always have the awp until you have the money for it. And i said s1mple is ALL AROUND NOT BECAUSE OF THE AWP, but his playstyle HE CAN ENTRY/CLUTCH. Pathetic device fanboy. The original post i made was about Jame mindless zombie.
2019-06-17 17:55
0 facts, 0 real proofs = insults incomming. what can i expect from blind diehard fanboy/hater. honestly i will not waste more my time since you have nothing relevant to say anyway. bye
2019-06-17 17:56
HAHAHHAHAHA Who insulted who first? Stay on device's dick more.
2019-06-17 17:56
well actually you started with the trash talk, so stop being stubborn af and thinking you're always right, because you aren't, nobody is always right, just accept the fact you can't be right 100% of the time, Jesus Christ
2019-06-17 23:15
If you learn to read you'd see that actually i didn't.
2019-06-18 00:49
Well I really might be blind, because as far as I can see right now, you started it by saying “Omegalul”
2019-06-18 10:45
Except he is right, and the other guy is clearly riding Device's dick lmfao. What the idiot FORGOT to mention is that s1mple also has DOUBLE the percentage of AK usage while maintaining roughly the same AWPing as Device. Device has half of AK usage, and just watching him in games would prove his point further; AKA, NukestrikE is a fucking idiot and cherry-picks his data like a dumbass and gets defensive when someone tries pointing out a valid point.
2019-06-18 02:34
0/8 0iq
2019-06-17 19:12
Coming from turk GIGALUL!
2019-06-17 19:19
nice one! 🤣
2019-06-17 19:21
device cant entry
2019-06-17 18:57
he can
2019-06-17 18:58
never seen that
2019-06-17 19:08
then you probably dont watch csgo at all. dev1ce has the most entries from astralis last 2 years
2019-06-17 19:10
#147
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
> one of the most versatile player in general Not saying he's bad player, but he never ever played support or igl role (and i dont remember him being good at entry). That's too bold words calling device versatile.
2019-06-17 19:52
#164
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Hes literally the 2nd best hybrid player in the world.
2019-06-17 22:53
#181
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
He's good, but he's not the best versatille player lol edt. btw hybrid =/= versatille
2019-06-18 01:05
#185
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Hes extremely versatile though. Very few players can AWP and rifle at a top 10 level. That screams versatility. Hes very capable of getting picks, playing passive, anchoring, rotating, he can lurk.
2019-06-18 02:05
#200
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
nitr0, stew, s1mple, niko, olof, jw, tarik, cold, f0rest That's just from top10 teams =]
2019-06-18 12:34
#203
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nitr0 stew jw tarik cold f0rest niko all worse with the AWP right now Nitr0 tarik olof jw all currently worse riflers than device right now. Did you just pick some of your favorite players at random? None of those players are elite at both rifling and AWPing besides S1mple and maybe Niko when hes not at a major. And guess what both of those players are easily top 5 in the world. That's how you know it's a rarity that players are elite with both
2019-06-18 15:28
#204
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
> Nitr0 stew jw tarik cold f0rest niko All of those (exapt maybe f0rest and niko) are agressive AWPs, while dev1ce usually just holds angle (like allu for example), i wouldnt call neither of em worse lol. I did pick players that playing rifle+primary/2ndary awp on top10 teams. And yes - dev1ce is not "elite" on awping, he's typical guy that holds angle, gets 1 kill and rotates to more safe position to hold another angle.
2019-06-18 19:03
#205
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Who cares if they are aggressive or passive in nature? Device is still a more effective AWPer than them. He positions better he hits more shots, he gets more opening kills, and hes the PRIMARY AWPer on his team. Half the people you mentioned arent even the best AWPer on their team. Much less better than Device. Device is better at using the AWP than every player you mentioned besides s1mple. The style the player uses is the style that they feel fits them best. If Device is capable of being a consistent top 5 player with elite stats while using a passive style and staying alive more often then he should definitely do it. Theres nothing normal about what device does. Maintaining a 1.2 rating vs elite teams is incredibly difficult no matter what role or team you play in. Device is incredibly elite at AWPing, that's why hes been top 5 more than any other player as a PRIMARY AWPer. Hes also been top 5 as a rifler when cajunb was the primary AWPer in TSM. Theres literally nothing he does poorly. Plenty of AWPers have the same style as Device. No one has the same accolades or success. Stop being a hater and accept the facts.
2019-06-18 21:09
Device can't clutch shit tbh
2019-06-17 20:34
#61
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Serbia Wule123 
dude, u call device "role player"? i never liked him but fcking role player?? go uninstall steam and go to some therapy because u r delusional and bias beyond measure...
2019-06-17 18:11
Yes he is a role player on Astralis. His role is the AWPer of the team. He never does anything more, rarely clutches, rarely goes agressive to find picks. If he is last alive in a clutch situation most of the time he will save. He has passive style of awping. This is device's role in Astralis. If you disagree with any of it, uninstall cs then go throw your pc in the garbage.
2019-06-17 18:46
#155
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Serbia Wule123 
device "role" in astralis is to be there best player. whole team in the way is playing for him, same as simple, buying weapons, flashing, baiting... there play style is different but same "role" in the team and that is to get most kills. why do u even hate device that much?
2019-06-17 20:24
2019-06-17 17:55
+1
2019-06-17 19:03
#6
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Brazil xandiinho 
no
2019-06-17 17:38
that must be the biggest bullshit i've ever read
2019-06-17 17:39
What is?
2019-06-17 17:40
comparing a player who's been in tier 1 since the start of csgo to a cis nonamer
2019-06-17 17:41
A cis nonamer can't have the same playstyle to a Tier 1 player? Now THAT is the biggest bullshit i've read.
2019-06-17 17:43
device = play to win rounds jame = play to boost stats "same playstyle" rofl
2019-06-17 18:46
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA spoken like a true device fanboy
2019-06-17 18:47
expected argument
2019-06-17 18:48
Just like yours xaxaxaxaxaxaaxaxaxaxax
2019-06-17 18:48
expected iq
2019-06-17 18:52
#148
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
He's right at some point, usually when device saves his weapon - astralis able to do a comeback on trash buy/4+1 eco, when jame saving - you can be sure that next round another 4 will ecoglock and he will save again :D
2019-06-17 19:54
Let's say dev1ce and Jame is equally good at CS:GO, it's still a game and some people recognize that, and some people don't. nt though
2019-06-17 17:42
I never compared them skill wise, Device is probably more skilled since he has proved himself early in his career that he can be more versatile. But i was comparing their playstyles AT THE MOMENT which are similiar, almost identical.
2019-06-17 17:44
ye but it's a video game and not real life.. thorin talks about the video game, not real life. Jame's results aren't that great and it's all about the game in the end. if you can win in the game, you are a great player. if you don't, you might have something to work on outside the game to be able to put all your attention into the game when you play. also, even if you become "the best player", the game changes all the time so you were only the best at that particular thing / meta and perhaps not at something more complicated.
2019-06-17 17:50
Again that is irrelevant, nobody was talking about RESULTS and ACHIEVEMENTS. We are comparing playstyles. They both have the same playstyle but thorin only calls Jame a baiter while praising device. If he said Device is a baiter but he has won tournaments so he is a good player then fair enough.
2019-06-17 17:58
I understand what you are saying, but still dev1ce baits and wins and Jame baits and loses, maybe that is the reason :)
2019-06-17 18:12
ZywOo > s1mple >>>>>>>>>> device. ZywOo doesn't need to bait his teammates or save to have insane ratings.
2019-06-17 17:42
Don't agree, but that is your opinion.
2019-06-17 17:44
Where did Thorin say that?
2019-06-17 17:44
Said a couple of times on his interviews/ youtube videos, and he just retweeted k0nfig tweet which says "jame is so good at saving xD".
2019-06-17 17:48
can any1 show clips of device baiting?
2019-06-17 17:46
#28
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Argentina lucas_7_94 
jame saw this post and saved the awp.
2019-06-17 17:47
the thorin's logic is: don't have any logic :D
2019-06-17 17:47
he doesnt understand the game because he has never played the game
2019-06-17 17:49
#34
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United Kingdom xparagon 
Name Checks out
2019-06-17 17:49
Ecolai 'ecov1ce' Ecoeetz
2019-06-17 17:49
#37
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Belgium TomeCS 
0/8 Jame doesn't have the same playstyle at all. It's not because he's an AWPer that he has the same playstyle and fulfils his role in the same way. AVANGAR has their style and gameplan based around Jame which sets him up for getting impact kills and includes Jame having and being allowed to bait his teammates for the good of the round and game. Dev1ce, on the other hand, is being treated (almost) equally as his other teammates and it doesn't all revolve around him but more around the team as a whole. They still set Dev1ce up for kills because that's the job of an AWPer, to get entry kills and be there for the quick trade. Regarding playstyle, you're seriously wrong. Go watch some demos of both of them and you'll see serious differences. I know this is bait but I'm explaining it in case you're actually this delusional.
2019-06-17 17:49
#43
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Denmark QBE_ 
+666999
2019-06-17 17:55
"Dev1ce, on the other hand, is being treated (almost) equally as his other teammates and it doesn't all revolve around him" Sorry i can't read more after that, because you have no idea what you're talking about.
2019-06-17 17:58
#65
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Belgium TomeCS 
The fact that you're not able to read more and want to understand more shows how little knowledge you have about the topic. EDIT: It's fun that you're making this thread for attention tho. Stay depressed! :)
2019-06-17 18:17
Why the fuck you call everyone fanboy of device, just beacuse they disagree with you? And they even present facts! xD And, name checks out
2019-06-17 19:04
Because only device fanboys are this hypocritical and deluded. And great argument about name checks out. Thanks dude!
2019-06-17 19:04
Device doesn't save and bait to the extent Jame does. Device doesn't end up with 8 deaths less than literally any player on the server, Jame does. Device doesn't need team mates to bait for him, Jame does.
2019-06-17 17:54
Love seeing deluded device fanboys just keep exposing themselves as complete hypocrites. Just keep it coming please!
2019-06-17 17:59
can you show clips of dev1ce doing it? thanks
2019-06-17 18:03
Anyone who watches cs instead of clicking the matchpage and watching stats knows this. Show me clips of Jame baiting and i'll show you clips of Device. Thanks!
2019-06-17 18:36
I can find plenty of Jame clips every game. Not sure about device.
2019-06-17 19:12
Actually you are the hypocrite
2019-06-17 18:06
cry is free
2019-06-17 17:59
#52
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Russia anleet 
True
2019-06-17 18:01
i mean hes the most consistent player out there. sure, he's not as skilled as niko or s1mple but he does his job more than fine.
2019-06-17 18:06
That wasn't the point of this thread. Thanks for commenting anyway.
2019-06-17 18:34
#62
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Brazil xandiinho 
do you really are falling for this bait? lol just look at his username
2019-06-17 18:11
He also thinks that coldzera is an impactful player
2019-06-17 18:13
:D
2019-06-17 18:17
Thanks for taking what i said out of context. I said Coldzera was an impactful player at his peak, which is a fact. If you disagree uninstall cs.
2019-06-17 18:36
device has more impact than baitzera
2019-06-17 18:53
These days yes. So what?
2019-06-17 18:53
#194
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1 axaxaxa, first time I agree with you
2019-06-18 10:48
Great bait
2019-06-17 18:36
No bait you are just a deluded device fanboy.
2019-06-17 18:37
You bait harder than Jame
2019-06-17 18:45
#150
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
8/8
2019-06-17 20:00
#72
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Netherlands staticNL 
You seem absolutely delusional.
2019-06-17 18:39
Great argument. Go smoke more weed please!
2019-06-17 18:48
#144
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Netherlands staticNL 
Why would I ever argue with someone who is using lies to prove his point. Purposely changing definitions, making up false premises and using those to prove your point is pathetic. Jame and device dont have the exact same role and playstyle. You must be blind or delusional to think such. Have you ever seen them play? Thorin is still invited to events. Even if all you say is true, Thorin still wouldnt be a hypocrite. Even with "the exact same playstyle and role" they can have very different skillsets & impact amongst other things. Making them different players who should be judged individually.
2019-06-17 19:41
What you consider lies i consider an opinion. If you think Device and Jame are different players fine, but you have to prove that. They can have a different skillset, but their role on the team is almost identical. Guess we are watching different games.
2019-06-17 19:52
#152
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Netherlands staticNL 
I have to prove that theyre not the exact same player with the exact same playstyle? You sir definitely are delusional. Apart from the fact that theyre both awpers, I see no resemblence between the two.
2019-06-17 20:08
Then we have to disagree. I think they have a very similiar playstyle almost identical. If you think im an idiot for holding that opinion, than that's you.
2019-06-17 21:53
Jame kinda is a baiter dude. Device is also just a better player than Jame. In Jame's most recent bo3 his team lost 32 rounds, he died 32 times. before that his team lost 16 rounds, he died 15 times. In his past 3 series (Maybe more, I only looked at his latest event) he had the least deaths in the game and had the most frags for his team in every match. Maybe he's a good player, in fact, I'd say he is. But watching him play you see that he's not getting the kills in the way someone like device does. He's baiting and getting exits more than the average player and thats not something that can be disputed.
2019-06-17 18:45
#75 hope one day hltv users learn to read the original post instead of making stupid asumptions.
2019-06-17 18:47
I did read the original post. I didn't make stupid assumptions. By your logic both players are either baiters or neither of them are baiters because they, according to you, use the same playstyle, correct? If device is a baiter (Which I wouldn't say he is) he does it in a way which is way more effective, to the point where it works amazingly for them. Jame is a baiter and he doesn't do it effectively. He gets kills but it doesn't help his team in the same way device does.
2019-06-17 18:54
I never called one of them a baiter. Again read my post . I never claimed one or the other are better at their style. My thread wasn't about that at all. I thought i wouldn't need to spoon feed this to people here, but guess i was wrong.
2019-06-17 18:58
Oh my god dude. I know what you said in your post. What do you think your point was? Because if you think it was the fact that thorin is a hypocrite then you're clearly the guy needing spoon fed. I've shown how thorin isn't a hypocrite in this case using what I said above.
2019-06-17 19:00
Guess i will have to explain it for people like you. My point was that they have the same playstyle but ONLY ONE OF THEM gets called a baiter. I don't give a fuck who is better at their role, they both have the same role and playstyle but only one of them gets SINGLED out and gets called a baiter.
2019-06-17 19:05
Dude are you drunk? If this is your point then why tf is your post called thorin logic? Why do you have a whole paragraph about thorin? "Loves Device and calls him one of the greatest players in CS GO but HATES JAME and CALLS HIM a BAITER, when he has the exact role and playstyle as Device. Thank god this hypocrite and gold nova is not invited to top tournaments anymore. This proved he has no idea how this game works. He is only good at producing outside of the game narratives and being a history teacher." Where here do you say anything about only Jame being called a baiter but device is the same dude? Did YOU read your post? Also device IS called a baiter. What is your point? The fact is that the reason Thorin likes Device and not Jame is because Device is good at it!
2019-06-17 19:05
Because Thorin never called Device a baiter! Lmfao are you for real? Wow so because one player is a better BAITER that means i can insult the other player which i think is worse at that role by calling him a "BAITER". Sick logic and argument.
2019-06-17 19:07
"Loves Device and calls him one of the greatest players in CS GO but HATES JAME and CALLS HIM a BAITER" Here, do you say that thorin doesn't call Device a baiter? No. In fact, there have been several times that I KNOW that thorin has called device a baiter on his podcast. Okay I'm done. I don't know how you're this oblivious but I have better things to do and I know you're not going to stop thinking your right. See ya.
2019-06-17 19:11
#80
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United States kami917 
Truth is hard to accept, but at least the cry is free. :D
2019-06-17 18:46
You just seem to be missing one point. Even though he does the exact things and having exact playstyle, one can be baiter and one can be the player who does his job. That point is roles of his team mates and playstyle as a team. One role can fit to a team, same role could not fit to another.
2019-06-17 18:50
You might need to learn to read my post again because i never claimed one was better than the other, that wasn't the point of my thread.
2019-06-17 18:52
Well maybe you should take your own advise if you understood this from my point.
2019-06-17 22:40
i agree with this. device and Jame are different players at the end of the day, and Astralis and AVANGAR are definitely different teams.
2019-06-17 19:17
False stats. Opening kills =/= entry kills And again my thread wasn't about that at all. Learn to read. Thanks!
2019-06-17 18:58
#100
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Denmark Xipingu 
Why give him attention then? All he wants is exactly this. It's like giving Rasmus Paludan attention and expect him not to continue his shit ways, Thorin loves all publicity, as he has well proven with his Brazillian bait posts.
2019-06-17 19:00
device haters are truly the lowest acum of earth. if you want to hate on someone, do it against someone who deserves it, like s1mple
2019-06-17 19:04
Show me one sentence where i expressed hate about Device. Only device apologists such as yourself have posted insults.
2019-06-17 19:06
imagine dedicating your whole account to hate on a player lmao. and when someone doesnt share your obsession and mental illness you just call him a fanboy. truly a sad life.
2019-06-17 19:17
Truly a sad life to make asumptions and hurl abuse at others while presenting zero facts. If you think calling someone overrated is hating on them, you need to go out more. Have a nice day!
2019-06-17 19:19
atleast you didnt deny your obsession. and indeed, making these threads on regular basis is an undeniable sign of hate. and so is having a nickname such as 'player x is overrated'
2019-06-17 19:26
The thread had almost nothing to do with device, and if having a stupid name for a stupid online forum equates to being obsessed, then i don't know what to tell you.
2019-06-17 19:27
ginger DDK
2019-06-17 19:08
well yeah, he is good at reciting stuff that has happened and most of the time I enjoy his presentations. But sometimes he gets personally offended or irritated by a topic or a thing he does not respect, and proceed to attack it and use his edgy "jokes", its funny in portions but sometimes its just overwhelming and you feel oversaturated with this peculiar "humor" , cause if your a happy person it really drags your vibe down listening to thorin for prolonged times, unless he is strictly reciting history.
2019-06-17 19:09
device is GOD, jame is trash
2019-06-17 19:13
Fair enough. Would love to see how that is relevant to this topic though.
2019-06-17 19:20
#118
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Sweden newerth4nu 
3/8 bait Its not baiting if you win
2019-06-17 19:13
Would expect nothing less from a nip fan.
2019-06-17 19:20
I rate the whole topic 0/8.
2019-06-17 19:15
Haha you're 100% right. Device fangays just won't admit that their "holy God" is a copy of Jamexit haha
2019-06-17 19:21
Maybe it's because Astralis actually wins things. I mean Jame only looks like he baits more because AVANGAR is always losing.
2019-06-17 19:25
Irrelevant. #75
2019-06-17 19:28
This was more of a joke lmao. But you can't deny that AVANGAR doesn't lose more rounds. Jame is always saving, just look at twitch chat during an AVANGAR game, they aren't spamming "Jame saving already" for no reason. Thoorin praises device because he is the best player on the best team of all time, device may be baiting, but he is doing it effectively, after all baiting is a very effective tool if used correctly. But youre probably just gonna respond to this like you have the rest of the thread so ehh
2019-06-17 19:33
Your arguing with yourself bro. I never claimed avangar doesnt lose more rounds. That wasn't even the point of my thread.
2019-06-17 19:34
dude i know it wasnt the point. Have you ever debated a topic before? I was introducing evidence to help support my claim that Thoorin's praise of device is justified. I mean i don't really agree that thoorin should shitting on a player, i just think that device does deserve praise. Jame is a very good player in his own way. Also using twitch chat was also kind of a joke.
2019-06-17 19:38
#142
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France 1Faren 
did you even read this before posting? Do you actually not see how stupid u are?
2019-06-17 19:34
no one has james playstyle. no one has ever baited his team so fucking hard like jame does. people shit on him because hes the most selfish player to exist in a TEAM game. he is a good awper, but teamplay will always win games over 1 selfish star. @jame @ s1mple @niko
2019-06-17 19:42
there is a reason thorin isnt invited to analyze events anymore he only stays revelant for his banter. his actual analysis are shit and yes, I agree, hes also a hypocrite
2019-06-17 19:57
#151
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Nepal Nepali 
He has deep analysis in cs, but he is a bit of a hypocrite.
2019-06-17 20:03
#153
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Sweden Lagge15 
Seems like it is Cherry picking season right now!
2019-06-17 20:10
#157
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Both are defensive players. Device waits for Dupreeh and Magisk to create an opening that he can work with to secure rounds. That have him save often because he AWPs alot and they love to keep their economy strong. (One of the reasons the economy update really hurt their dominance). Jame baits. He plays an incredibly selfish game that doesn't benefit the team. Which is a shame, because he's a talented AWPer. But they definitely aren't the same.
2019-06-17 20:39
#163
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Brazil IdolaMochi 
Thorin is the smartest guy alive, have some respect you norway old piece of viking
2019-06-17 22:53
thorin still relevant?
2019-06-18 00:30
never was lul
2019-06-18 00:35
but this annoying dwarf still gets his own hltv thread :/
2019-06-18 00:38
device is one of the goats of csgo and its true
2019-06-18 02:39
His style is aggressive, blunt and controversial.
2019-06-18 02:41
#195
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Sweden Trkmag 
Yeah Thorin is overall delusional, not basing it off of this but yeah
2019-06-18 10:49
THOOORIN NUMBER 1
2019-06-18 11:00
+1 thorin actual fucking idiot
2019-06-18 11:06
#201
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United States v1bezzz 
i ben onalow i ben tekin ma taaaaim
2019-06-18 12:38
who is jame
2019-06-18 12:38
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