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Top 20 2019 (imo)
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Canada iluvpizza 
Not looking at stats etc this time just saying what I think 1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. Magisk 4. electronic 5. NiKo 6. device 7. ropz 8. dupreeh 9. EliGE 10. NAF 11. Twistzz 12. coldzera 13. rain 14. sergej 15. Brehze 16. Ethan 17. frozen 18. woxic 19. Brollan 20. autimatic
2019-06-20 17:18
#1
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Canada iluvpizza 
Tell me what you think about it
2019-06-20 17:19
#3
ZywOo | 
Poland Moderee 
1 zywoo 2 simple
2019-06-20 17:19
#5
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Canada iluvpizza 
s1mple is insane, I love ZywOo but s1mple is insane as fuck best player who ever played CS by far (at the moment)
2019-06-20 17:20
#66
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
cs no but csgo yes
2019-06-21 02:50
#84
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Canada iluvpizza 
CSGO yes*
2019-06-21 03:49
REAL TOP 20: s1mple device ZywOo electronic Magisk NiKo EliGE jks Brehze Twistzz NAF Ethan coldzera autimatic Njkaem sergej dupreeh KRIMZ apEX kennyS
2019-06-21 08:52
#140
JD | 
Poland Banzanic 
kennyS OMEGALUL, there are at least 10 other players who are better than him atm
2019-06-21 13:30
well my list says theres at least 19 players better than him atm
2019-06-21 13:31
#147
JD | 
Poland Banzanic 
sry for misunderstanding, there are at least 10 other players, who are not at this list and still they are better than kennys
2019-06-21 13:34
#172
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Cyprus delur 
classic french iq
2019-06-21 17:03
#161
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Canada iluvpizza 
not jkaem dupreeh top 10 wtf not kennyS ahahah he isn't even top 30 wtf apEX probably top 25/20 but i ain't sure he will be top 20
2019-06-21 14:40
#162
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Russia 1gor1 
FR Flag baitign
2019-06-21 14:41
#114
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
Then who
2019-06-21 05:34
#137
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
you can argue different people like GTR f0rest NEO. Thats what I got off the top of my head but imo f0rest is the GOAT of cs for now due to him continuing to perform while NEO and GTR have garbage stats
2019-06-21 13:08
I love ZywOo but s1mple is just above everyone, he plays in another league
2019-06-20 19:19
#48
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United States karo99 
he plays in a league so good he hasnt played in an official in a month
2019-06-20 21:43
no, he played as a stand-in in a tier 20 online tournament just the other day
2019-06-21 01:23
Are you retarded? It's his team not him who's the reason they're not playing top level rn, but well... Flag checks out
2019-06-21 08:55
#141
JD | 
Poland Banzanic 
typical na fan, 0 iq, expected
2019-06-21 13:31
Woxic is definetly better then frozen imo, and swap NiKo with elec + i think that the mousesports player are overall better then the nrg guys
2019-06-20 17:21
#11
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Canada iluvpizza 
everyone underrates electronic and overrates NiKo woxic > frozen yeah, my bad, didn't check
2019-06-20 17:22
Yeah. I even see people saying "s1mple v9" when electronic is performing like crazy, but the rest of navi is shitting the bed. It's going to be another year that he is probably top5/to8 ish and people will still sleep on him.
2019-06-21 04:21
#99
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Canada iluvpizza 
top 5 for sure flamie sucks Zeus is good in IGLing and support Boombl4 learns from Zeus, he'll be good
2019-06-21 04:42
The competition for top5 this year will be insane, niko is probably not making it which is insane, that is why he might not make top5. The problem was more that flamie and edward sucked, so even though s1mple and electronic are being insane, that really drags the team down big time. Hopefully flamie gets his shit together, and boombl4 actually being a ok player (not only fragging) will help the duo some way.
2019-06-21 04:59
#105
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Canada iluvpizza 
yep NiKo won't be top 5 for sure electronic, ZywOo & s1mple will
2019-06-21 05:00
Your top4 is quite good. One of the liquid players could step up and get a higher rating making them top5, but i doubt. Those players are really above the rest big time.
2019-06-21 05:04
#107
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Canada iluvpizza 
I think EliGE/NAF/Twistzz could go 7th/6th but not top 5
2019-06-21 05:11
+1.
2019-06-21 05:12
Twistzz could be top 5 tho S1mple, Zywoo, Magisks, Electronic, Twistzz
2019-06-21 08:50
#160
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Canada iluvpizza 
atm EliGE is the one who can make it
2019-06-21 14:39
Well last tournament that Liquid won Twistzz was MVP
2019-06-21 15:24
#168
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Canada iluvpizza 
yeah but look at EliGE, NAF and Twistzz stats in 2019
2019-06-21 15:25
#12
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Canada iluvpizza 
Brehze and Ethan are top 5 in NA
2019-06-20 17:23
S1mple played like 2 biig events? Due to that hes not top1 2019
2019-06-20 17:34
#25
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Canada iluvpizza 
and ?
2019-06-20 17:38
Idiot? I just gave you reason of s1nple not being top1 2019 and u wrote and
2019-06-20 18:20
#33
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Canada iluvpizza 
it doesn't mean he's not 1st then s1mple wouldn't be top 1 2018 if it worked like this
2019-06-20 18:21
But in 2018, he had a lot more tournaments. Then smooya should be top1 2019, if amount of events played doesnt matter lul
2019-06-20 18:52
#35
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Canada iluvpizza 
no cuz he has worse stats than s1mple are you retarded ?
2019-06-20 18:53
hltv.org/stats/players/11271/smooya?star.. U r the retarded one, if you thibk amount of events played does not matter,
2019-06-20 19:35
#50
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Canada iluvpizza 
Omfg just talking about LAN fucking dumbass SEN1K top 1 then fucking dumb Twistzz fan
2019-06-20 21:51
S1mple will not be top1 u retarded baguette
2019-06-20 22:58
#55
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Canada iluvpizza 
please stfu and go sleep /closed
2019-06-20 23:06
Retarded vitality fanboi
2019-06-20 23:13
#61
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Canada iluvpizza 
Still better than Liquid
2019-06-20 23:15
Nah
2019-06-21 01:19
>summit >relavent Pick one, lol nt
2019-06-21 03:00
#85
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Canada iluvpizza 
does it mean "lol let's lose otherwise it means we don't deserve our rank" ? please stop saying this, event if it's a summit, they still won 4-0
2019-06-21 03:50
How many relavent tournaments they won again?
2019-06-21 03:52
#87
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Canada iluvpizza 
ECS just after that
2019-06-21 03:55
And how many of them won liquid?
2019-06-21 04:45
#102
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United States hleev4 
Liquid have only ever won 5 in their entire existence, one of those is a summit....
2019-06-21 04:53
#104
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Canada iluvpizza 
x)
2019-06-21 04:59
And vitality hardly ever won 2 events and one of those is summit x)
2019-06-21 11:24
#149
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Poland Banzanic 
typical 0 iq muslim, vitality was created less than year ago, and liquid was created already few years ago and u re talking about whole history of the organisation, wp favela
2019-06-21 13:41
#159
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Canada iluvpizza 
yeah Vitality has been created in October, ALEX joined 5 months ago he started leading 2 or 3 months ago lmao
2019-06-21 14:38
#109
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United States Jammin800k 
Are you really questioning the number of maps Navi has on LAN? They were an elite team last year and have performed very well at the events they've attended this year. In no way is map count an issue for s1mple now nor will it be by the end of the year if he continues his form. His statistical dominance is ridiculous.
2019-06-21 05:15
#20
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Sweden frozze90 
in NA, yes. this list is clearly filled with players from other regions aswell (and ethan and breezhe is top 5 of NA players in this list that has been posted here)
2019-06-20 17:35
imo Guardian must be in top20 cuz he been in top20 evry year, also i think simple < zywoo and Magisk = electronick < NiKo
2019-06-21 04:24
Nice logic
2019-06-21 09:06
#2
YNk | 
Czech Republic bramborXD 
+1
2019-06-20 17:19
maybe niko>eletronic because he has an mvp
2019-06-20 17:20
#7
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Canada iluvpizza 
idk :/ NiKo isn't as good as before with NEO now, he's not carrying now, when he was "leading" he carried everyone but not now electronic is insane af
2019-06-20 17:21
+1
2019-06-20 17:24
#6
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Austria Dontellme 
5. Tabsen
2019-06-20 17:20
#9
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Myanmar xdcc 
nt tabsen
2019-06-20 17:21
#10
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Canada iluvpizza 
tabseN top 25 imo but his team isn't good enough to make him good enough to be in top 20 for real
2019-06-20 17:22
#36
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Austria Dontellme 
But skill-based he's top 5 he is consistent bottom fragger against every team. But not in the last month. He's top 5 also in hltv stats
2019-06-20 19:15
#37
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Austria Dontellme 
And should be in the top 10 at least
2019-06-20 19:15
#110
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United States Jammin800k 
Nah hes playing much weaker teams and not going deep in tournaments or facing elite teams on big stages and therefore can't be judged fairly.
2019-06-21 05:16
#49
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Canada iluvpizza 
top fragger*
2019-06-20 21:50
#115
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
LUL
2019-06-21 05:34
#130
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Germany N4ime 
Tabsen would be top 20 of he would play in a good team. #freetabsen
2019-06-21 09:05
#152
JD | 
Poland Banzanic 
same with 100 other players :P nt
2019-06-21 13:42
#14
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Canada iluvpizza 
bump
2019-06-20 17:27
#15
NiKo | 
United States xReiner 
niko is still #2 and auti is higher than 20 if it wasn't for him they would be at tier 3 events
2019-06-20 17:29
#16
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China NoAWPNoBrain 
Glaive is best igl, dont understand how a noname (no achivements) like frozen can be above him
2019-06-20 17:32
rain #13 just proves how shit this list is. too many overrated players or no achivement players on the list. woxic and frozen isnt even close to a top20 spot right now. And Brollan...just no
2019-06-20 17:35
#29
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China NoAWPNoBrain 
Yeah. I kinda agree with woxic beeing there, but brollan, frozen, rain (2019) and ethan (wtf.?) got no reason:D
2019-06-20 17:47
#44
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United States jay_320 
hltv.org/stats/players/10671/Ethan?start.. Ethan has a 1.17 rating on LAN this year. 1.15 in Big Events with 85 ADR. And numerous top 4 placings for those worried about team achievements. If you can't find a spot for him on your top 20 list your top 20 list is probably broken. Rain is 1.11 in Big Events. He isn't exactly terrible either but 13 is way too high.
2019-06-20 19:43
But 1.11 rating is still top 20 player tho still a bit high for 13
2019-06-20 21:20
#46
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United States jay_320 
Yup Agree.
2019-06-20 21:39
#17
kennyS | 
Denmark Nu1u 
kennyS?
2019-06-20 17:33
device - not in top3...pick one. this blind hate towards him is out of control rly
2019-06-20 17:35
#68
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
I pick both lul
2019-06-21 02:53
0/8
2019-06-21 07:01
rain and cold over sergej lmao
2019-06-20 17:35
Cold is much better individually than sergej
2019-06-20 17:42
lmao, just lmao
2019-06-20 17:54
Omegalul
2019-06-21 08:36
prove me if i am wrong
2019-06-21 19:25
#23
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Pakistan NoNamerPK 
Niko top 3 ez
2019-06-20 17:37
#24
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Indonesia tsokai 
electronic hasnt even playing that great this year imo, atleast to deserve 4th place
2019-06-20 17:37
#26
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Indonesia tsokai 
also dupreeh has been incosistent this year, top 15 maybe for him
2019-06-20 17:40
4.ELECTRONIC OMEGALUL
2019-06-20 17:44
#51
woxic | 
Turkey tigrit0 
seriously man what were he thinking lul
2019-06-20 21:51
Even with unconsistent matches, Fallen untill now is playing well. The problem is that he isn't making great games is LAN games, his matches in ECS Season 7 NA week 4 and 5 were online and he was playing very well. If he start playing at his best i think he can be at least top 10. Of course this is my opinion and who wants to discuss it would be great.
2019-06-20 17:55
He has potential but he hasn’t shown it at big events this year yet. I really like Fallen but his team atm is destined to fail
2019-06-21 08:42
Ropz lmao ,
2019-06-20 19:17
yuurih ?
2019-06-20 19:18
#42
Xyp9x | 
Turkey g0dzilla 
-electronic + xyp9x
2019-06-20 19:36
#43
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Netherlands poeya 
I dont see what frozen has proven yet to be in top 20
2019-06-20 19:37
#47
Nast1a | 
World bayborg 
where is godj
2019-06-20 21:42
#52
woxic | 
Turkey tigrit0 
add godj and please remove that electronic from 4th are you out of your mind?
2019-06-20 21:51
What has electronic done so far in 2019? Not even in top 10 Twistzz should also be a lot higher
2019-06-20 21:53
#56
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United States G0LDEAR 
At least 1 player from liquid will be top 5 I guarantee it. Probably twistzz.
2019-06-20 23:09
+1 He will be top 3
2019-06-21 13:34
magisk and zywoo > naf and twistzz? what did you smoke? titles decide a lot
2019-06-20 23:11
those 2 actually make sense...
2019-06-21 07:01
#58
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United Kingdom jellywank 
youre wrong
2019-06-20 23:13
#60
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France J0riS 
Good list my friend but I'd place woxic and frozen higher since ropz is #6
2019-06-20 23:13
#65
nEGRo | 
Europe Mensseli 
Pretty good list. But I would definately drops Ropz out of top10 and lift Twistzz there. Maybe add Yuurih aswell? And definately add Mensseli to top 3.
2019-06-21 02:45
#67
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
Niko is second Dev1ce third Zywoo fourth
2019-06-21 02:50
#70
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
lol never
2019-06-21 02:54
#71
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
why?
2019-06-21 02:55
#80
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Niko didn't played well to be the top 2 this year. And Dev1ce i don't even need to explain LUL Also, Zywoo is easily better than them.
2019-06-21 02:58
#82
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
niko has been carrying faze even while he was igling and dev1ce is still playing insane :?
2019-06-21 02:59
#69
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Finland zntei 
twistzz > dupreeh, where is gla1ve? woxic > frozen, brehze > rain
2019-06-21 02:54
#72
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
gla1ve hasn't been too great
2019-06-21 02:55
#73
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Finland zntei 
he has definitely shown more than Brollan
2019-06-21 02:55
#75
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
In 2019 Brollan has been better over the last 6 months. if you add 2018 then gla1ve is better but we are talking about 2019 only
2019-06-21 02:56
#78
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Finland zntei 
I think gla1ve has been much better invidually in 2019 than 2018
2019-06-21 02:58
#79
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
he has dropped off a cliff since blastralis era
2019-06-21 02:58
#81
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Finland zntei 
gla1ve has been fixing dupreeh's drop
2019-06-21 02:59
#74
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Nepal mivekhq 
KSCERATO?
2019-06-21 02:56
#76
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
he is bad yuurih and others are better than him
2019-06-21 02:57
#94
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Nepal mivekhq 
imo kscerato is the best in furia
2019-06-21 04:25
#138
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
imo he is overrated because he isn't as good as people said he was.
2019-06-21 13:09
ur retarded af if u think that same players from 2018 will be in top20 2019, this list will be very different im telling u, we are only 6 months into this year and u already predicting top20, remember 2018? fnatic were playing good, yet only krimz managed to make the list, same will be here, some of the players will drop, some will show up
2019-06-21 02:57
#88
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New Zealand Dragon_ 
JKS should be on there.
2019-06-21 03:57
+1. but i guess not enough tournaments yet, but i would put him on top20 over brollan just for the sake of it.
2019-06-21 04:29
Brollan has good stats with a way higher amount of maps and big events attended
2019-06-21 17:01
#166
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Poland Kain_aj 
+1
2019-06-21 14:51
#89
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Syria Kings89 
Just when u reached top 9 you were like "wait a min liquid won most tournaments this year their players should be good enough to put on this list, lemme just put 3 of them it is enough"
2019-06-21 04:10
-Brollan move cold down a few spots Twistzz over NAF ropz moved down a few notches Brehze up on or two spots +olof
2019-06-21 04:16
coldzera OMEGALUL
2019-06-21 04:20
#95
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African Union nm1 
dude olof and krimz have to be there olof instead of rain and krimz instead of ethan not to take anything from ethan he plays great but krimz is so consistent
2019-06-21 04:26
olof? hell no
2019-06-21 07:04
#139
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African Union nm1 
i mean he is better then rain on faze right now for sure
2019-06-21 13:27
top20 !!!!2019!!!! hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8183/rain.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8183/rain.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8183/rain.. vs top10 teams on lan rain: 1.05 olof: 0.97 vs top5 teams on lan rain: 1.10 olof: 0.90 in which universe is this year olof better than rain? and in which universe olof deserves top20? just no...
2019-06-21 13:40
#150
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African Union nm1 
idk if he deserves but if rain is this high olof should be there
2019-06-21 13:41
#151
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African Union nm1 
and stop watching stats
2019-06-21 13:42
your blind opinion is surely more accurate...yea sure. bye. no reason to waste even more my time with obviously deluded fanboy
2019-06-21 13:43
did you even read my post? how the hell can you claim bullshit like that? olof doesnt deserve even top30 while rain is somewhere around top20 easily...you are obviously biased AF
2019-06-21 13:42
Elige will be top 5 mark my words
2019-06-21 04:27
#113
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India akashp1997 
+1
2019-06-21 05:31
+1
2019-06-21 13:33
Electronic hasn't done anything, unless its just because s1mple is go freaking good that everyone else on Navi just seems irrelevant
2019-06-21 04:34
#100
chrisJ | 
Turkey OguzJ 
zywoo wont make it to top10 imo
2019-06-21 04:43
#111
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United States Jammin800k 
Delusional
2019-06-21 05:17
#112
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United States Jammin800k 
1. S1mple 2. Zywoo 3. Electronic 4. Device 5. Magisk 6. Niko 7. Elige 8. NAF 9. Sergej 10. Twitszz 11. Brehze 12. Coldzera 13. Ethan 14. Jks 15. Allu 16. Krimz 17. Valde 18. Xyp9x 19. Cerq 20. Jkaem/yuurih/apEX
2019-06-21 05:29
probably the most accurate list so far BUT device instead of elec without a doubt(atleast for now...he surely deserve top/top3 to this date)
2019-06-21 07:07
#164
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United States Jammin800k 
Probably would bump him up when pro league finishes
2019-06-21 14:43
he deserves it even before it based on his performance, stats, achievments and individual awards but thats most likely the only thing that i "dislike" about your list. imo rly accurate so good job
2019-06-21 15:38
1st good list, oh burger brain checks out)))
2019-06-21 09:08
Why Magisk? Been shit after major
2019-06-21 08:37
How can Electronic be nr. 4 and Cold nr. 12??
2019-06-21 08:42
and 11. Twistzz haha wtf
2019-06-21 13:32
ropz>device
2019-06-21 08:54
I dont think ZyWoo is better than NiKo man.
2019-06-21 08:57
#129
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Australia JAY_DAWG 
jks?
2019-06-21 09:02
Jks hello?
2019-06-21 09:10
top 20 and no OSKAR?? kys
2019-06-21 09:10
#136
oBo | 
Germany Trax_ 
Why is everyone still overrating electronic?
2019-06-21 11:25
11. Twistzz LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL he is totally top 3 in 2019
2019-06-21 13:32
#156
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Germany Constikdw 
Actually he’s not, elige even has a higher big event rating than him
2019-06-21 13:44
#155
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Australia ClamDong 
jks?
2019-06-21 13:43
#157
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Romania qAp 
Autimatic? Rly? That guy was defeated by an amateur team
2019-06-21 13:45
#163
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Canada iluvpizza 
autimatic isn't C9
2019-06-21 14:42
#170
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Romania qAp 
he is in c9
2019-06-21 16:59
#158
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Germany Constikdw 
Ropz and Dupreeh are top high imo. Ropz barely played big events this year and Dupreeh was not rly outstanding. Same story with rain and frozen. And Krimz/jW were better overall than brollan this year. Autimatic shouldn’t be there as well
2019-06-21 13:46
A bit biased but sergej top10 maybe? He has already got 4 evps this year
2019-06-21 14:43
no kennyS, no good Top 20
2019-06-21 19:26
#175
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
Wanted to stop reading after seeing " 2. zywoo" but gave it another chance Then saw " 7. Ropz" and honestly I gave up
2019-06-21 21:52
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