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kArrIgAn wAs tHe prOblem!!!!!
HEN1 | 
Other LeftyFox 
Look at your FaZe now, management. Look at it. It’s like making a dog smell it’s shit after it took a crap on your floor. At least we get an awesome mouz out of this...
2019-06-22 11:44
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chrisj heavily underrated since forever
2019-06-22 11:45
EVEN chrisJ is better than Karrigan
2019-06-22 12:26
Chrisj is and has always been a very good player stfu
2019-06-22 12:30
Yea thats why he is better than karrigan for me ;)
2019-06-22 13:01
#90
Germany pmb  
wow
2019-06-22 14:40
Support players never was the problem
2019-06-22 11:45
#31
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United States Azuhh 
taco was the problem
2019-06-22 12:27
Mibr was the problem*
2019-06-22 13:53
after -fnx mibr core win nothing special
2019-06-22 16:28
ngiN was the problem.
2019-06-22 12:33
Nah ngiN has BMW M5
2019-06-22 16:28
Main problem was maj3r
2019-06-22 16:29
- neo + who?
2019-06-22 11:48
#4
HEN1 | 
Other LeftyFox 
It’s too late now, but the IGL wasn’t the problem period. FaZe could have done two better things: 1. Dropped a player like GuardiaN or olof 2. Done nothing. 2 would only make sense if the team was getting along, but that wasn’t happening. So, if FaZe realized that having 4 stars with no one to lead them was a bad idea, they would have dropped another player or maybe even two instead.
2019-06-22 11:51
There was no way to keep karrigan when no one believes on his calls, the problem starts there. Kicking him was a mistake as soon as they where not able to get a half decent igl out of it, at that point you shat ap and listen to his fucking calls, but it was too late.
2019-06-22 14:24
#114
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Poland kvvach 
+1
2019-06-22 19:57
*rain goes -17 K/D almost every map* HLTV : KiCk NeO PlEaSe
2019-06-22 11:55
#7
HEN1 | 
Other LeftyFox 
I am not saying to kick NEO man, I’m talking about before the roster fiasco even started... I agree they should kick rain or olof
2019-06-22 11:58
You can't reason with a Pole
2019-06-22 12:06
but he wasn't responding to you
2019-06-22 14:25
why rain wtf, the only ones underperforming are olof and GuardiaN, rain is fine dude On every single big event in the last 3 months besides IEM Sydney where Olof was better and GuardiaN was worse, and the lastest EPL, where he was worse than both but both still played like bots, he performed better than both rain: hltv.org/stats/players/events/8183/rain?.. olofmeister: hltv.org/stats/players/events/885/olofme.. GuardiaN: hltv.org/stats/players/events/2757/Guard..
2019-06-22 14:40
#33
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Finland Love_God 
+1 People still think Rain is some godaimer
2019-06-22 12:28
2019-06-22 14:11
Goes negative 17 but has 1.13 rating? Kk
2019-06-22 14:18
#6
ISSAA | 
Jordan deyta 
-rain +ISSAA
2019-06-22 11:56
#8
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Was a bad team will always be one who cares lul
2019-06-22 11:59
#14
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North America GatorThePimp 
+1 fluke run at Boston major. The only truly salvageable player from Faze is Niko. Despite his arrogant ass ego.
2019-06-22 12:03
#91
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Tru he has an ego but he atleast has the skill to go with it
2019-06-22 14:41
Karrigan is always good in the beginning. It was the same with Astralis and FaZe. But with time going on, he will get worse and worse. In the end the players will not follow him 100% and this team will fail.
2019-06-22 12:00
The karrigan effect
2019-06-22 12:01
#34
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Finland JHdash77 
monkaS
2019-06-22 12:28
#12
HEN1 | 
Other LeftyFox 
That’s why they should have changed some other players, even if that still eventually would have crumbled: the point still stands that this was one of the worse decisions in a bad situation.
2019-06-22 12:01
Thorin stated that the players that didn't follow him 100% was NiKo. Faze is not stupid. Niko is way more valuable for faze than karrigan. If guardian or olof or rain was the problem they would have left 100% but no team will kick their Star player over their IGL
2019-06-22 12:09
#55
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
A good IGL is way more valuable than a star player but I agree with what you said but not the way u said it. On any other team except like navi, if you have an IGL that works and it good, they are harder to come by then star players. Buttttt NiKo isn't just a star player he is like 2nd/3rd best in the world so that's a bit different but normally IGL is more valuable.
2019-06-22 14:04
But karrigan's IGL DIDN'T WORK. they had 50% success rate at finals while being the heavily favored team..........
2019-06-22 14:07
#69
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Slovakia SLAVak 
But NikO's attitude towards the game is quite crappy. Just look at what happened to mouse (while being lead by NikO). The whole team was adjusting to NikO's playstyle and played like shit, but immediately after he left, mouse started to play much better. I dare to say that if NikO left FaZe and they picked up some young talent or a great team player, the team would instantly improve.
2019-06-22 14:19
#78
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
when the mouz roster actually started do pretty well was a completely different team, but yeah I do agree NiKo's ego prob fucked over teams but at the end of the day NiKo pretty much runs that FaZe team and he has YnK aswell and NiKo was like the main reason y YnK was brought in as they played together and r bum buddies so he isn't going to get benched/kicked. But u have to realise the people who run faze are retarded, all they will see if NiKo 3rd best player and we spent like half a million on him so he is right.
2019-06-22 14:24
#94
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Slovakia SLAVak 
I know it was a different line-up, one with Spiidi and denis. But this line up surprised a lot of people, because they've played much better than people anticipated. Even tho Spiidi and denis were playing like bots in the old line up, after NikO's departure, they've instantly improved. I'm quite certain that's not a coincidence. And regarding FaZe management, they're doing quite alright, until they make the C9 move (giving their best player ultimate power of choosing his teammates).
2019-06-22 14:43
#96
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
FaZe management are doing alright? bud look at all the lawsuits that faze are in right now, and there cs is one of their lowest priorities, they may even give up their team if it comes to it. So dont chat out ur arse say its quite alright.
2019-06-22 14:52
#98
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Slovakia SLAVak 
Was talking about the line up changes. No need to get triggered.
2019-06-22 15:07
Zeus is the least of problems on navi, even though they have 2 top 5 players, the problem is clearly not zeus strats/individual performance but more the other 2 bots on the team. The same problem that faze had, rain/olof/Guardian where not that good anymore, pointing to the IGL when you can't hit your shots is quite convenient
2019-06-22 14:34
#13
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Austria db42 
yeah it was always like this in GO so far, they get figured out after 5-8 months or so and then results start to drop
2019-06-22 12:02
Nope FaZe ran out of steam in 2018, karrigan/neo isn’t the problem but I believe the inside is.
2019-06-22 12:01
#22
HEN1 | 
Other LeftyFox 
Not saying FaZe is as good as when they started, I do agree with you honestly. I think personally it has to do with NiKo’s ego, yes he has the stats to prove himself but he the head man that started the karrigan kickery because he thought he could take the reigns himself..
2019-06-22 12:10
Look at your FaZe now, management. Look at it. It’s like making a dog smell it’s shit after it took a crap on your floor. At least we get an awesome mouz out of this...
2019-06-22 12:07
Karrigan indeed was not for faze Faze had 4 of the best players in the world and karrigan, a very prestigious IGL to guide them to victory. 7 FINALS. I would say they had the upper hand on all those finals except maybe against astralis on katowice. Its hard to blame the players when karrigan gives bad mid round decisions Players lost faith in him after 7 FINALS LOST. he wasn't the igl anymore and thus they didn't need him anymore. I like Karrigan and I believe he is one of the best IGLS but he was not meant to be in faze. He wasted NiKo's 2 years peek for 7 lan wins,for one of the players in existence. Neo is a great addition and it will work, expect them to win multiple tittles in the next months.
2019-06-22 12:07
when faze had 4 of the best players in the world?
2019-06-22 12:09
2017 top2 top4 top9 top19 I don't know what you are smoking,but any player from the top20 is one of the best players in that year considering there are 3000 pros and millions players
2019-06-22 12:11
#95
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Poland Lukovsky 
>4 best players in the world >top19 LUL
2019-06-22 14:44
top 19 is still extremely good lets see you do it
2019-06-22 15:07
#101
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Poland Lukovsky 
never said it wasn't still far away from #4
2019-06-22 15:11
still one of the best players
2019-06-22 15:13
#103
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Poland Lukovsky 
doesn't matter, top19 =/= top4 what is so hard to understand here? are you mentally handicapped?
2019-06-22 15:48
But the same can be said to karrigan with the astralis core, it started good then they dropped off
2019-06-22 13:00
Yeah,it seems karrigan has immidiate results but then the team gets worse...
2019-06-22 13:41
This +100000000 I still remember crucial rounds in finals when karriBOT saved the awp, didnt drop it to allu/Guardian and then lost it to enemy team when they had eco. This guy is egoistic sh!t
2019-06-22 14:02
#62
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
u serious? really calling karrigan an egoistic shit? boy u retarded? or just mentally slow? so what u saw one round where he did something but karrigan would drop any of his team and play with a pistol so many rounds, he always brought utility. And ur point about he saved an awp and lost it against the eco, if he saved the other team won? why would they eco? And plus karrigan has awped for years u fuck so its not like he was randomly like yeah ill give it a go. Dumb fuck.
2019-06-22 14:10
T R I G G E R E D
2019-06-22 14:15
Nothing more beautiful than triggered yellowteeth
2019-06-22 15:58
#109
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
ahahahah this is y i love HLTV cause so many cretins
2019-06-22 16:26
Just u in otherwise beautiful and peaceful community
2019-06-22 19:54
If ur losing the problem is in igl
2019-06-22 15:54
#18
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United States Jamila 
I know faze are an easy punchline to jokes right now but karrigan had to go
2019-06-22 12:08
#27
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North America GatorThePimp 
Bruh... despite having a few first placements at t1 events and blast pro series, which doesn’t count. Faze haven’t even near achieved results equivalent to the Boston major. Face the facts men))))))
2019-06-22 12:15
2 majors, right? Final vs cloud9 And another final which I can't recall.. but I remember the opposing team doing huge comebacks in both
2019-06-22 14:06
Faze have only once made it to major finals
2019-06-22 14:22
Expected from C9 fan to defend trash roster moves
2019-06-22 12:31
Just - Guardian + s1mple -Rain +Flamie -YNK +Zeus as coach
2019-06-22 12:09
#26
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Sri Lanka tr1gg3r 
Flamie lmfao
2019-06-22 12:14
why not?
2019-06-22 12:27
He's not better than rain, they are actually very similar players with the same issues, suNny is by far the best entry that they could actually get rn, FaZe should get him in fast and dump rain
2019-06-22 12:36
Zeus english is potato, so him as igl/coach wont work. And flamie is the support for navi, with edward/boombl4 being entry. Olof is a far better support, and if you really need to replace rain, suNny is a better option (given, he got benched for a reason, and he is inconsistent), you could get electronic and make him entry, which would work.
2019-06-22 14:39
#115
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Poland kvvach 
Sunny beched himself as he didnt want play with chrisj
2019-06-22 20:14
#23
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Poland AntOOr 
- rain + sunny
2019-06-22 12:10
#24
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Algeria OuaniSsu 
nah rain is the problem
2019-06-22 12:11
Banter aside, benching Karrigan was the only move FaZe had. They lost to Big in Cologne, exited group stage 0-2 in eleague premier, exited groups in dreamhack masters stockholm, then went 0-2 at the major. And that was back when they were individually good(ish).
2019-06-22 12:23
he was the problem,they hit a plateau with him as igl and theyneeded to replace him
2019-06-22 12:30
+1.
2019-06-22 14:10
#40
MINISE | 
Europe Cirro 
He was the problem you moron. Just bcuz he is solution in mouse and he is good igl doesnt mean he was perfect fit for longer time in faze....
2019-06-22 12:36
Everybody who said -Karrigan was fucking retarded
2019-06-22 12:38
#44
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United States machemm 
-guardian +s1mple -neo +sunny -rain +krimz -olof +FROZEN
2019-06-22 12:39
neo is fine
2019-06-22 12:46
Honestly, -guardian +draken or any young awper -rain +magisk (better rifler and pistol player, can also awp) -NEO +Any igl who can frag decently Olof and niko still playing decently
2019-06-22 12:42
Why would magisk leave Astralis, lol.
2019-06-22 14:09
#67
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
rofl dumbest thing i've ever read in my life. Magisk wont leave asstralis and olof is a fucking bot ever since he came back from his break like a year ago.
2019-06-22 14:17
Olof has been back on his form. Just look at his recent results dumb dumb
2019-06-22 14:21
tbh i feel like faze as a team with current players never work most of them are good but together they wont click i suggest kicking and letting them join teams that are good and get others kioshima flusha and sunny are still waiting for their chance to play
2019-06-22 12:48
#48
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Korea XigNw0w 
Neo is the problem
2019-06-22 12:51
#53
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Croatia feelsbadmane 
Expected from a highschool dropout owner
2019-06-22 13:55
#57
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
They didnt really make a mistake, karrigan stopped working for faze. Just like in astralis, the players stopped believing in him
2019-06-22 14:06
Karrigan was the problem, but Neo is even bigger problem for FaZe now, that's why they're bad and not because karrigan wasn't the problem. He was. And he will become a problem in mouz eventually.
2019-06-22 14:08
#60
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Brazil NIKOLD 
just because hes playing well on mouz doesnt mean he wasnt the problem... thats like saying stewie wasnt the problem on mibr...
2019-06-22 14:09
#100
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Turkey Thunderball 
was it ? mibr's problem is their core and their consistency wasnt stew at all
2019-06-22 15:10
Mibr was atleast top 5 whit stew and tarik
2019-06-22 15:57
#66
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Blame niko. He thinks he understands CS just because he can aim at the head.
2019-06-22 14:16
+1
2019-06-22 14:19
Imagine still thinking Niko owns faze org and can kick anyone off the team he wants.
2019-06-22 14:20
#81
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Imagine thinking faze org and the cs team are the same thing.
2019-06-22 14:27
Oh wow you got me
2019-06-22 14:28
Man FaZe actually started to play well. It is G2 who were godlike all of a sudden. I mean, where did that come from?
2019-06-22 14:19
no, G2 is actually nice team and they have a power, but This is FaZe. Why we said faze chokes that match? Cuz they have much more firepower and skills then G2. Even Kenny and shox didnt carried that much like Zywoo on vs faze.
2019-06-22 14:32
Name checks out.
2019-06-22 14:35
I mean. Faze is doing a lot better than what they were with karrigan atm
2019-06-22 14:19
Karrigan was problem? It was. But not his fault. current FaZe players like him, but dont want his palystyle anymore. Neo is fine now. His tactics is good, and NiKo and NEO adjust their playstyle now. I think thats why NiKo has been dropped little. When AdreN comes and NiKo get IGL, he dropped also. So, just kick rain and bring NiKo-choose player would be answer about this situation. Rain sadly dropped so much, and even he cant get frags now. We should see more, but it seemed not gonna happen he recover his aim.
2019-06-22 14:21
i think faze should remake their team like mouz did. i can ser cureny mouz rostet winning eve next majro,the potentia id insane. faze should really keep NiKo and rain/guardian only
2019-06-22 14:25
Rain? He is terrible these days. Why should keep him?
2019-06-22 14:34
he was in faze tho but he is the solution in mouz
2019-06-22 14:29
#92
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Spain akproxx 
Yes he was for faze but the management was worse lmao they need a igl and they didnt get one good igl and now is a clown festa of random players They should give uo this lineup like mouz did same for g2 People told me that im retarded but g2 is not join to anywere not even in the top10 Shox niko kennys rain flusha can be fire
2019-06-22 14:46
#93
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Russia Ypp1 
FaZe without karri like Na`Vi without Zeus
2019-06-22 14:42
#97
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Denmark Xipingu 
Buyout clan just needs to realize that buying superstar after superstar time and time again (except for Neo, he has a great historical past, but atm not a superstar at all) doesn't work. Instead, make a proper team like everyone else.
2019-06-22 14:55
well this mouz's roster=faze in their old godlike form. And its all cuz of karrigan again.
2019-06-22 15:49
#105
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Brazil furia_fan 
he was ,but unfortunately all 5 players are the problem because they need to disband
2019-06-22 15:50
12:30ViCi vs TYLOO
ViCi
3.05
TYLOO
1.40
12:30GODSENT vs Illuminar
GODSENT
1.57
Illuminar
2.27
13:00NiP vs Astralis
NiP
5.00
Astralis
1.18
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