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Worst #1 Team In History
Dosia | 
Hungary Joco413 
Team Liquid.
2019-06-23 21:58
True
2019-06-23 21:58
I am pretty new to the CS GO scene. One thing that I wanted some opinions on. I know there is a lot of fun and banter between the different regions, and most of it is in good fun. But why are there so many people (mostly Europeans) saying that Liquid is the worst number 1 team. Did they not prove themselves in tournaments? Or is it just Europeans being a little butt hurt about the fact that maybe for the first time ever, an NA team is the best?
2019-06-23 22:12
#134
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United States stephcurry30 
just Europeans being a butt hurt
2019-06-24 10:10
Hey, I'm from EU and I love TL, that's just generalizing. Many do cry bcuz EU teams were the most dominant for most of the time, but I love TL and I support them for a while now, I also know many people from EU that do, so pls don't generalize :D
2019-06-26 10:13
#296
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United States stephcurry30 
im not generalizing europeans. his question is referring to ''many people (mostly Europeans) saying that Liquid is the worst number 1 team.'' im answering based off the context in his question and only talking about that specific group who r most definitely butt hurt since theres no way they honestly believe that liquid is the worst #1 team according to the most essential metrics. if they do, then theyre either ignorant or deluded and im not referring to that group nor any other group besides the butt hurt ones
2019-06-26 11:18
they can't accept that an NA team is better than all of the European teams
2019-06-24 19:25
#208
autist | 
Romania Xyst 
But they have not played Astralis twice
2019-06-25 07:22
They have met astralis many times
2019-06-25 09:20
#253
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Denmark Farmand 
record says 40-14 in astralis favour
2019-06-25 12:21
Now it says Liquid #1 Couldn't care less about the past
2019-06-25 14:08
#243
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France AntoRaptor 
TL has beaten Astralis months ago at the Ibp masters ... Its a long time coming ...
2019-06-25 11:07
#252
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Denmark Farmand 
record says 40-14 in astralis favour. Astralis also beat Liquid since the IBP masters AND won a major in the meantime
2019-06-25 12:21
And who cares about the past?? Liquid is way better now. Same thing goes for everything. Only retards would say that Real Madrid is the best team in the world RN because they are the best team in the history....
2019-06-25 13:02
#257
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Denmark Farmand 
thats not what i meant bro. he is using ibp as an example but since then astralis won a major and beat liquid multiple times. He is the one using history when talking about one time where liquid beat astralis. Atm liquid looks better yes but they won a close 2-1 and it was only because of elige playing out of his mind
2019-06-25 13:04
Using IBP was dumb, yes. A win is still a win and I think that there is no doubt that TL is the best in the world right now. Might change after Cologne if Astralis or Ence beat the shit out of every team and win easily without anyone challenging them
2019-06-25 13:07
#259
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Denmark Farmand 
+1
2019-06-25 13:08
Flag checks out
2019-06-25 23:20
#305
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Russia LeGoBoys 
Why you count this as a victory? It was a warm up tournament right before a major. And do you know who win the major?
2019-06-26 16:06
They don't like a non-EU team being #1.
2019-06-24 19:26
#240
Twistzz | 
Germany VYBES 
TL is originally from the Netherlands..
2019-06-25 11:01
Astralis is originally from Finland...
2019-06-25 11:06
i still remember Astralis bloodR ruuit tihOp and Astralis Guardian....
2019-06-25 12:13
So what? it's not anymore. I'll bet most of the EU folks on here bitching and complaining about Liquid being #1 don't know that either, else you wouldn't see so much butt-hurt about them being #1
2019-06-25 14:10
#281
Twistzz | 
Germany VYBES 
I love Liquid...
2019-06-26 08:56
Well, I not only like them, as they have been my favorite team since Stew joined, been a fan of him for quite a while now, and they 100% deserve the TOP 1 spot. Also it gives me so much pleasure everytime they win a bo3 against Astralis. Hope they can win a major soon :)
2019-06-26 10:15
I've always been a fan of both them and C9. I know C9 is trash now but it used to be that C9 was the top NA team and Liquid was always fighting them for the top spot. It was always a tough choice who I'd go for in their matches. On that (C9), I'm hopeful they find a way to nab Wardell instead of Koosta. The first time I saw Koosta he looked like a genuine superstar, but something got in his head and now he seems mediocre.
2019-06-26 14:31
Yeah, I thought about that too and I think Wardell could be a better option instead of Koosta as well
2019-06-26 15:46
But I said what I said in a sense that it's not all EU ppl that think Liquid doesn't deserve the #1 spot, or that don't like NA teams. Pls don't think all people from EU are the same, believe me many people from EU also like Liquid, and supports them.
2019-06-26 15:47
+1 I know. It just seems a lot of EU hate out there, is all. I don't really dislike any EU teams. Well, I don't like Fnatic, but that's because I used to be a bit of a NiP fan. I don't hate Astralis, but I like to see them lose. I'm not terribly keen on NaVi, but I can't give any reason why that is. I think my biases are pretty much restricted to Fnatic and NaVi. The rest I don't really have any problem with, I just prefer one team or another depending on the specific matchup. And generally speaking, I prefer NA teams. That is a bias I suppose. Actual detestation, though? On the level I see here against Liquid? No. Not even NaVi or Fnatic. I don't downright detest Fnatic, I just like them least.
2019-06-26 16:01
Dutch scene top 1 😎😎
2019-06-26 07:47
I do! Go Team Liquid :D
2019-06-26 10:13
#144
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Norway CheNaLii 
Its because EU is the master race. We are better than NA in every way. Therefore we can see that this TL squad is the worst #1 team ever. NA doesn't see it, but they are NA afterall. I hope this gave you some insight on the situation
2019-06-24 19:31
#147
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United States Project|7 
NA>EU
2019-06-24 19:34
#150
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Norway CheNaLii 
I was about to roast you, but then I saw your flag. It's fine, I can forgive you
2019-06-24 19:39
insert Kelso from that 70's show saying ROASTED
2019-06-24 21:47
Didnt g2 get butt fucked last tournament by liquid
2019-06-25 07:27
G2 lmao
2019-06-25 09:10
#245
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Norway CheNaLii 
Nah. They didn't get "butt fucked". Did you even watch? Fake fan spotted
2019-06-25 11:21
3 - 1
2019-06-25 23:19
#267
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Norway CheNaLii 
2 games went overtime, NA brain
2019-06-26 00:23
wtf that final was close, like every other final with liquid. fnatic was close, ence was a little bit close. lost to faze and vitality ( how vs those teams wtf )
2019-06-26 10:08
OMEGALUL
2019-06-24 21:22
ahahahah you made my day
2019-06-24 22:16
Xaxaxaxa
2019-06-25 07:16
+never won major
2019-06-24 19:39
#155
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Brazil __Jun 
Boston 2018?
2019-06-24 19:47
Liquid haven't
2019-06-24 22:18
+1 Liquid is one of those few teams to be #1 without major
2019-06-25 06:44
#255
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Latvia Dimoc 
A major has yet to happen while liquid is #1, they cant just take a major win out of their back pockets.
2019-06-25 12:59
YEah and that's when they will trully become one of the best teams in CSGO history.
2019-06-26 10:08
For sure they dont prove themselves to be number 1. Last tournament show it, they was super close to lose couple of times vs teams which are much lower rank. To pretend to be real number 1 and to have an "era" they need to destroy every team in tournaments like that.
2019-06-24 19:39
#190
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United States Pyreon 
???? close????? it didnt even go to the last map on most of the series in epl?
2019-06-25 03:19
they were close matches without counting overpass
2019-06-25 03:37
#198
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United States Pyreon 
every series asstralis played was close without nuke?
2019-06-25 04:00
#239
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France Maiwin 
Lol no
2019-06-25 10:48
no
2019-06-26 01:48
#160
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Europe dreww_ 
I gotta say that the progress they had and still have is amazing since Stewie came in to the roster relatively recently for a top team. GJ NA! I really hope to see C9 come back up after the next roster change and stick to that roster for more than 6 months. And I knew that G2 didn't really have a chance against Liquid but I still think G2 put up a good challenge and good matches again TL.
2019-06-24 19:55
TL aint the first NA to be top1
2019-06-24 21:43
+1 c9 era best era
2019-06-24 22:34
ok then
2019-06-24 22:42
#213
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Russia my_id_777777 
remember boston major
2019-06-25 07:38
I don't think this is the first time NA has been the best (C9 When they won the major) was the best until they all crumbled afterwards. But it's good to see a new upcoming dominant champion, should be interesting to see how long they can keep the top spot for though. I'm hoping to see G2 back up there competing with the greats and keeping the momentum from their last tournament alive!
2019-06-25 10:37
mainly banter we all know sk was the worst #1
2019-06-25 22:00
#297
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Finland Einst3in 
Welcome to internet, 99% people are just trolls and kids. In HLTV that percent is over 9000
2019-06-26 11:21
#181
Boombl4 | 
Ukraine d1laN 
cmon they lose to SPIRIT, SPIIIRIT. yea best team in this world.
2019-06-24 22:39
Online is BS tbh. Astralis have lost games to AGO in online games. I hope this is bait.
2019-06-25 04:00
#218
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Poland BrtFFx 
They went 1:1 with Ago playing from NA on Europe servers so it is impressive they got one map win.
2019-06-25 08:19
My mistake. My point still stands that online results are worthless.
2019-06-26 07:42
#2
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United States Trump2020KAG 
NICE.........
2019-06-23 21:58
why?
2019-06-23 21:58
#10
shox | 
Spain UnbanKQLY 
Very toxic
2019-06-23 22:00
#85
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Philippines xxxhoshi 
um, 2015 fnatic with JW. newfag
2019-06-23 22:16
#99
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Europe Konannes 
+1
2019-06-23 22:20
He was toxic but in game they were godlike
2019-06-23 22:32
Smack isn’t toxic. Learn the difference
2019-06-23 22:39
#119
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Philippines xxxhoshi 
tell that to #10
2019-06-23 22:40
#103
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Canada C4K3 
Toxicity has nothing to do with it. In fact, I love players like Stewie. Instead of getting the closeted bot personalities you tend to find in gamers, it's nice getting some with that rebel edge. Players like SC2's IdrA or LoL's Jensen. Totally okay with the interesting banter they can start. There's plenty of players like that in professional sports. Football, NBA, Soccer. Why not Esports?
2019-06-23 22:23
#111
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Philippines xxxhoshi 
because people look for any and all reasons to hate liquid and NA
2019-06-23 22:33
#112
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Canada C4K3 
Reason being their #1. Same happened to Astralis, Fnatic, Lumino/SK. It's expected. Now, they HAVE a reason to hate Liquid. They're #1 and untouchable at this very moment. It will pass. And until then, they will be critiqued endlessly for ever slip up they make. Same story, same crybaby e-fans.
2019-06-23 22:35
The hate that the current top team gets from HLTV is really toxic. I love seeing liquid play, they're like a well oiled machine and Twistzz and Naf are just nutty players, why not just enjoy it, instead of people honing in on every small thing they might do wrong. Like, jesus christ, Astralis is the arguably best team in all of CS history and played near perfect, but even they made mistakes during their peak and people were all over them immediatly, its the same with liquid now on a lesser scale. Any top team is gonna make mistakes and have slip ups, that doesnt mean keyboard warriors should immediatly run to HLTV and make threads calling out Liquid fans or saying Liquid is trash and should disband.
2019-06-23 23:49
+1 Liquid on overpass is my favourite thing to watch, they look so clinical in the way they do things, sometimes they're inconsistent on it but when they play well on it it's so fun to watch People just love to hate, they see Liquid dropping a map to G2, or losing a BO1 to North & claim Liquid's a terrible team & don't deserve to be #1 even though Astralis lost 2 BO3s to North in one tourament & lost a BO5 0-3 to FaZe. I think it all routes to people remembering what they want to remember, they remember Astralis dominating everyone & not them losing matches to Ago, Na'Vi, FaZe, North etc, they only remember Liquid losing & consider them "inconsistent" even though they've gotten to 7 finals this year out of 8 events they attended & won 4 of them, they remember the close games but not the complete blowouts. People also still think Liquid choke, when they won 3 straight T1 tournaments.
2019-06-24 20:34
+10 This for sure. I myself am relatively new to the scene and I have already gotten sick of the constant nagging from apparent millennials - it seems as if there is no straight pattern in terms of who is at the pointy end of the gun; if there is a team that plays well and dominate for a short (or long) amount of time, they have to be shit on. It's plain and simple like that. Urgh. Astralis played incredibly well throughout their era (which is done btw), and Liquid also play really well right now. It's a joy to watch!
2019-06-25 10:43
#121
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United States barsad 
typical neckbeard MUH CHIVALRY IN A COMPETITIVE GAME
2019-06-23 23:41
#4
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Palestine Geren_best 
LuL yeah But its better so we have closer matches
2019-06-23 21:58
#122
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United States barsad 
i think it's amazing how resilient liquid are under high pressure high stakes overtime matches. it really shows how good they are as a team to be able to battle back in high pressure environments
2019-06-23 23:41
why :C
2019-06-23 21:59
#6
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Europe Kilian_9047 
+1
2019-06-23 21:59
#123
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United States barsad 
flair checks out
2019-06-23 23:41
#126
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Europe Kilian_9047 
Flair checks out aswell
2019-06-23 23:44
#128
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United States barsad 
+1 got me
2019-06-23 23:45
#7
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United Kingdom fal36 
i already miss 2018 astralis
2019-06-23 21:59
+1
2019-06-24 19:40
everything>boring without competition cs in 2018
2019-06-24 22:37
#196
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United States Libtard 
At least now the scene is competitive and you actually want to watch because you don't know who's going to win before the match starts
2019-06-25 03:51
#205
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Exactly this +1
2019-06-25 07:17
#229
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Canada herocoolzzz 
yep i agree
2019-06-25 09:20
+1
2019-06-23 21:59
#9
shox | 
Spain UnbanKQLY 
True +1
2019-06-23 22:00
#11
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Bulgaria zikinu 
Aahah why though? 3 back to back tournament wins was not enough?
2019-06-23 22:00
#14
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Romania SplaXie1337 
barely winning against #14 :D
2019-06-23 22:01
#21
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Bulgaria zikinu 
G2 played well in this tournament. And for the last time, barely winning is not a thing. You either win or you lose.
2019-06-23 22:02
#39
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France SpooceCooke 
Honestly this was the closest performance of a top 3 team G2 has given us for ages and ages what a game and gg to Liquid
2019-06-23 22:06
#40
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
There is a very big difference between winning 16-8 and winning in triple ot. Flair checks out btw
2019-06-23 22:06
#74
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United States AproximateCS 
If they didn't get unlucky af they would've won that map 16-14
2019-06-23 22:14
#75
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
exactly.
2019-06-23 22:14
#78
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United States AproximateCS 
I honestly couldn't see them winning vertigo with such little experience, they made too many simple mistakes on d2 which they needed to win
2019-06-23 22:15
#86
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
with how little experience most teams have on vertigo, it could easily have gone either way. especially if shox and kenny had kept performing like they did on inferno
2019-06-23 22:17
#45
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United States barsad 
Bruh if u think g2 is 14 after this tourney you're smoking crack
2019-06-23 22:06
#97
TenZ | 
North America JC_123 
+1
2019-06-23 22:20
#137
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Romania SplaXie1337 
talking about before.
2019-06-24 19:11
#159
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United States barsad 
but that isn't relevant, because of how G2 plays now..
2019-06-24 19:53
#278
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
"Probably the worst best runner in history." ... "Why?" ... "He almost lost to the guy with 10th personal best in the world. It was like 0.05 seconds difference." ... "But that guy created his new personal best in that race, which is the top3 time of the season." ... "Who cares? He was bad before." ... do you see how ridiculous it sounds?
2019-06-26 07:51
#22
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
They still are the most inconsistent #1 team we've ever had. FaZe was better, fnatic was better, SK was better, Astralis was better, i could go on and on. Liquid will never compare to these teams without either Cologne or the major. They need to step up big time, nearly losing to G2 and fnatic at Sydney cannot be part of a #1's finals.
2019-06-23 22:02
#26
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Bulgaria zikinu 
FaZe lost the major to c9 in the same map played today.
2019-06-23 22:03
#43
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Ok sure. But has Liquid come 2nd in a recent major yet? Sad.
2019-06-23 22:06
#49
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Bulgaria zikinu 
They underestimated Ence, so that's fair. Your comment I mean.
2019-06-23 22:07
#53
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Who cares? Thats irrelevant to the main point. They have so far been the worst #1 team we've ever had
2019-06-23 22:08
#63
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United States camdavis9 
In the span Liquid has been #1 they've won 3 big tournaments in a row. I think they're doing just fine being the undisputed best in the world.
2019-06-23 22:11
#67
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Sure, they're doing great, but thats still not my point, they've so far been the worst #1 team.
2019-06-23 22:12
#80
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United States camdavis9 
Every #1 team has been pushed to their limits to win at one point or another. The idea of insulting a team for being the "worst best team" is actually retarded and doesn't make any sense. The competitive landscape is completely different and non-comparable to any year before 2018. What even is the argument for being the "worst best team?" Is it that they haven't dominated their opponents like Astralis did last year?
2019-06-23 22:15
#120
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Bulgaria zikinu 
+1
2019-06-23 23:39
This liquid would beat faze and give SK a run for their money. You’re delusional to think faze were better lmao
2019-06-26 01:16
#76
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Bulgaria zikinu 
+1
2019-06-23 22:14
#65
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Canada mako_mako 
ppl say trump is the worst president america has had, yet he still is doing good. so liquid is doing good
2019-06-23 22:11
#69
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Didnt say they weren't doing good.
2019-06-23 22:12
#84
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Canada mako_mako 
team liquid isn't the worst though. there are times where na'vi and virtus pro were #1
2019-06-23 22:16
#41
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Japan PKcrash 
FaZe never had an era
2019-06-23 22:06
#44
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Did i ever say that?
2019-06-23 22:06
plot.ly/~reidan/117.embed So I suppose you think NIP was a more consistent team
2019-06-23 22:07
#51
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Im scared to click that link
2019-06-23 22:07
#64
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
I was talking about August 2012 - September i think? 2013
2019-06-23 22:11
#149
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China Aachen 
No HLTV ranking during that time
2019-06-24 19:35
Indisputably number 1 tho?
2019-06-24 21:20
Do you know how many times fnatic could've went out in the semis or the finals of a tournament?About half of the tournaments they won,they had so many close games that came down to a few rounds What matters is whether they win or not,if they win(which has been the case for 3 tournaments) it doesn't matter,in the end
2019-06-23 22:09
#61
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Fnatic had won majors, won many tournaments. Liquid has not. Thats what splits them. Sure fnatic were sometimes inconsistent but thats not my main point. Which is: Liquid are the worst #1 team in history
2019-06-23 22:10
#87
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United States camdavis9 
Liquid has been #1 for like 3 weeks and you're mad that they haven't won 3 majors like Fnatic yet -_-
2019-06-23 22:17
Ok thats irrelevant? Just because they havent had the chance? What a dumbass point
2019-06-23 22:20
#109
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United States camdavis9 
Listen to the argument you are presenting. You're saying Liquid is the worst #1 team because they haven't won multiple majors like Fnatic. To achieve what you say Liquid has to achieve to be on par with Fnatic's reign, they would have had to have won multiple majors in the span of 3 weeks to be a #1 team in your opinion. They have been the most consistent contender for #1 and now that they earned their title as undisputed they're the worst #1 team ever? We shouldn't be having this argument until the end of the year. Give Liquid a chance to cement themselves and make a legacy like Fnatic, NiP, SK and Astralis.
2019-06-23 22:30
Faze was easily worse when they were #1 in early 2018,they didnt even win a single tournament
2019-06-23 22:18
#91
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United States stephcurry30 
define "worst" ...in terms of... set ur parameters, bc right now ur argument is incredibly weak
2019-06-23 22:18
Finals closed Ability to close finals Overall finals won
2019-06-23 22:21
#107
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United States stephcurry30 
navi was top 1 for like a week w/ much less achievements. vp had a short run w/out much to show as well. faze were top 1 while only winning like 1 tournament. by your parameters liquid r better than all of those teams
2019-06-23 22:25
#192
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
when they choke those finals, astralis were first. your point?
2019-06-25 03:33
#125
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United States barsad 
this is BY far the most competitive era of CSGO, and to see Liquid regularly placing high and performing well, this is why they're easily #1
2019-06-23 23:42
#158
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United States Jammin800k 
+1
2019-06-24 19:52
2017 >>
2019-06-24 22:26
#12
TenZ | 
United Kingdom agathacs 
i wouldn't say worst but i would say lowest IQ for sure, liquid are the epitome of all aim no brain with the exception of twistzz who somehow acquires 19.7million iq when he is in a clutch (and toggles cheat)
2019-06-23 22:00
True, just young aimers, thats not sustainable unfortunately and they will soon lose their rank,
2019-06-23 22:02
#88
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United States camdavis9 
nice bait
2019-06-23 22:17
#132
TenZ | 
United Kingdom agathacs 
ok
2019-06-24 10:01
#154
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United Kingdom fal36 
Faze lower iq
2019-06-24 19:44
#302
JW | 
CIS sexpower 
not really they are all very smart as individual players but as a team they look like the whole roster has 300iq combined
2019-06-26 15:55
Boombl4 gonna destroy them in Cologne
2019-06-23 22:01
#15
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Romania SplaXie1337 
he is called s1mple
2019-06-23 22:02
#173
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Poland misterr_ 
boom bitch
2019-06-24 22:21
+1 boombl4 era inc
2019-06-25 07:18
+1
2019-06-23 22:02
#17
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Brazil HotScarlet 
+1000
2019-06-23 22:02
#18
shox | 
Poland dGe_GoD 
MIBR
2019-06-23 22:02
+1
2019-06-23 22:07
#79
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Brazil Allistar 
Mibr never reached top 1, nt.
2019-06-23 22:15
#83
shox | 
Poland dGe_GoD 
I mean rather about SK
2019-06-23 22:16
#89
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Brazil Allistar 
Let me guess why... Fan base?
2019-06-23 22:18
#95
shox | 
Poland dGe_GoD 
guess what? Why i put mibr first? Fallen TwoFaced Toledo is the answer
2019-06-23 22:19
yeah kinda true
2019-06-23 22:02
#23
CIS FBLS 
true bro
2019-06-23 22:02
FaZe for sure
2019-06-23 22:02
hahhah how much??
2019-06-23 22:02
#27
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United States DervGuy 
Still #1 though, give them time I say! Sucks to see these messages though, if anything it leads to close and very exciting games, like this final. Who wants to see a fucking 3-0 blowout?
2019-06-23 22:04
#28
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Finland Mirfic 
true, but the matches are close so it's entertaining
2019-06-23 22:03
#29
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United States What_So_Not 
title should be: Salty EU fans come here
2019-06-23 22:04
worst was probably LG 2016, won 2 majors but couldn't win pretty much anything else
2019-06-23 22:04
#168
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Brazil sinisterkid 
y r u mad at brazil, we support TL
2019-06-24 21:49
#1 is always hated anyway
2019-06-23 22:05
#62
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Estonia zaurs 
true story
2019-06-23 22:11
+1
2019-06-25 08:41
No?
2019-06-23 22:05
#1 team *dominate other teams in final* everyone “BORING” *playing close games* everyone “NOT REAL TOP1”
2019-06-23 22:05
#36
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United States ferric 
+1
2019-06-23 22:05
#46
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France SpooceCooke 
definitely, community is dumb
2019-06-23 22:07
+1
2019-06-23 22:08
#59
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France ripmypickems 
hahahahaha hltv in a nutshell
2019-06-23 22:09
+1 lol
2019-06-25 07:19
+1
2019-06-25 09:14
couldn't agree more
2019-06-25 11:42
+1 undeserved
2019-06-23 22:05
#35
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United States ferric 
No, Faze clan was the worst #1 team ever. Lost a grand final to a team that literally died a month later. At least Liquid lost this past major to a team that is now considered #2 best in the world while Liquid was #2 not even #1
2019-06-23 22:05
Cloud9 played the game of their lifes, doesn't matter that they died a month later
2019-06-26 16:09
Navi was top1 for 1 week
2019-06-23 22:05
plot.ly/~reidan/117.embed So was NIP and VP
2019-06-23 22:08
#136
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Europe Kilian_9047 
Dont click lost my house
2019-06-24 10:13
#38
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Romania kr1tex 
Facts
2019-06-23 22:05
Still the worst almost throwing against tier 4. AUG NERF will put them on the Ground.
2019-06-23 22:06
#47
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Turkey Rjea 
+1
2019-06-23 22:07
#54
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United States arandomguy 
mad?
2019-06-23 22:08
#56
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United States jay_320 
ahahaha. This is going to be the new argument? This is one of the better number one teams as far as I can tell. All aim and the best pop flashes in the game. You people are missing out on learning how great CS is played if you haven't noticed how well TL has mastered the art of the pop flash. You simply can't be this good and not have "brain". Doesn't work that way in CS anymore we're not in 2015.
2019-06-23 22:09
Why ?
2019-06-23 22:10
#68
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Peru AgentLF 
nt Dosia
2019-06-23 22:12
Actually true though. Not convincing at all.
2019-06-23 22:12
Everyone is forgetting Optic
2019-06-23 22:13
Optic was never top1
2019-06-23 22:16
They were for a short period of time after beating Astralis at Eleague
2019-06-23 22:25
Waiting link beca. I didnt find when they are 1.
2019-06-23 22:29
No astralis was 1 optic was 2
2019-06-24 19:25
Oh yeah my bad
2019-06-24 19:33
#72
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Lithuania verslininkas 
mad? yes
2019-06-23 22:13
#73
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Vietnam comergod1 
0/8 Tyloo is worse
2019-06-23 22:13
#77
draken | 
Sweden rawrxdd 
OP MALD LULW
2019-06-23 22:15
IT IS TSM NOOBS KEEP CRYING.
2019-06-23 22:15
NaVi /w seized was #1 in 2016 for like 3 weeks.
2019-06-23 22:18
#93
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Philippines xxxhoshi 
stay mad while na keeps racking up tournament wins lmao
2019-06-23 22:18
#94
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United States jay_320 
If they are the worst number one team ever that means that teams like Ence, G2, Astralis etc are hot fucking garbage. I hope you realize you can't have one without the other.
2019-06-23 22:19
#96
mimi | 
Philippines nilb0g 
i love democracy
2019-06-23 22:19
#98
gfi | 
United States DiabIo 
eu most angry fans in the world. Can't be happy liquid delivered exciting games unlike boring astralis
2019-06-23 22:20
#116
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Japan esy 
No. This personalities are the problem. The CS is nice.
2019-06-23 22:38
As Nitro said last week, all the top teams are close now as everyone has elevated their game. Astralis dominated last year, but what's that's done is mean that if teams want to compete they have to be more seriously dedicated to the game in regards to strategies and tactics. I think finals will continue to be close affairs for a while yet.
2019-06-23 22:20
Never as bad as sk
2019-06-23 22:23
#105
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Estonia autistik 
fan of dosia nt ruski
2019-06-23 22:23
#113
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Finland NotEz4Ence 
Liquid ez Grand Slam. Thank you Blast for destroying tournaments with most of top 5 teams <3
2019-06-23 22:36
+1
2019-06-24 19:34
#114
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Japan esy 
Team Liquid.
2019-06-23 22:36
worst 2 years of cs ever
2019-06-23 22:37
Tbh i like these close matches and the fact that any top 5 team can beat each other :) astralis was just too good in 2018, so boring
2019-06-23 22:41
#124
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Cambodia afk47 
FaZe Clan
2019-06-23 23:42
#127
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Switzerland richco18 
Cant wait for new navi to rekt them
2019-06-23 23:45
Tbh i'm happy the astralis era ended. It started to become boring. (I get it for the astralis fans it was amazing seeing their team dominate like that and i have alot of respect for the era) And since liquid are not as dominant it still keeps that suspense like ''Any team could over throw them at this point'' I pefer a awesome competition where it's not a 1 or 2 horse race
2019-06-23 23:45
#130
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Sweden meistr0 
Astralis
2019-06-23 23:45
#133
ANGE1 | 
Russia ultnie 
Even though they're #1, I feel like that's thanks to MIBR for destroying NA scene completely with their Stewie and Tarik move. Right now there are literally 2 NA teams actually able to do something, while in the past there were Optic, CLG, Cloud9, Liquid and more.
2019-06-24 10:07
2 good na teams > 4 mediocre na teams
2019-06-24 19:26
#162
ANGE1 | 
Russia ultnie 
And still there was a possibility to grow stronger for all of them, they were mediocre because at the time there was very little tournaments where teams from all around the world were present, so they really only knew how to play against one another, same goes for asian cs at the time. Nowadays I feel like BR scene is bigger than NA and it's just feels wrong for me. Unless, of course, CS is really dying in NA and there's no new blood to build a teams able to compete at least on NA scene. And it's only teams I remembered right away, I'm sure there were more.
2019-06-24 21:20
#165
ANGE1 | 
Russia ultnie 
I just checked and there's no NA only events, at least on HLTV, except for qualifiers for international events, for some lower tier teams to show themselves, and that's bad. You have some in CIS, BR, even some local EU leagues like Finnish league or the whole Iberian scene and, of course, local championships, and I'm not talking about college ones, even though these a thing as well, and it looks like all NA has is MDL.
2019-06-24 21:40
xaxaxaxa mibr: the saviour of the na scene and the destroyer of the sa scene
2019-06-25 07:23
#135
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Sweden Akoulad 
100%
2019-06-24 10:12
NIP December 5th 2016
2019-06-24 19:13
#139
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Europe Nocko 
bahahahahaha
2019-06-24 19:19
#148
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United States Degree|CSGO 
FaZe Clan
2019-06-24 19:34
#156
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Pakistan ^NewB 
FaZe > TL dont @ me
2019-06-24 19:48
#157
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United States traviticus 
LOL YOU THINK TL IS THE WORST #1??? TL is probably the second best #1 we've had in terms of skill inside the game. The older teams from 2015/2016 cannot compare to the top tier CS today.
2019-06-24 19:48
nip for sure
2019-06-24 21:51
Fnatic, it was a fluke. All they had was just the best form any player has ever projected in olof, most wayward player with unimagined skill ceiling when everything ticked in jw, best support and anchor of his time in krimz, best clutcher and a person that made top the top5 apperances more than any other player in flusha and pronax.
2019-06-24 22:14
#174
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Poland misterr_ 
5/8 actually
2019-06-24 22:23
you forgot VP.
2019-06-24 22:24
So true but they will fall down in the upcoming tournaments
2019-06-24 22:33
TSM
2019-06-24 22:37
Tsm > navi for 3 weeks
2019-06-25 02:52
#184
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Clown9
2019-06-25 02:55
#216
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Canada Bucket0 
Were they ever?
2019-06-25 07:59
#246
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
2dayera
2019-06-25 11:36
#262
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Canada Bucket0 
Maybe I'm stupid but I thought they never overtook faze
2019-06-25 19:43
VP or TSM
2019-06-25 02:57
#186
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Europe RU!N 
Who cares about the first, they reached the first position cuz of their achievements, stop hating ffs
2019-06-25 03:08
#187
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South America litdabber21 
virtus pro
2019-06-25 03:14
LMAOOO you think Liquid is the worst #1 team when Hungary's number 1 player was fucking awful on a competitive level at HellRaisers for years? Nice try douchebag
2019-06-25 03:16
#189
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United States Jamila 
SK with boltz won one tournament and was #1 for months after The FaZe team that unseated them didn't win anything
2019-06-25 03:17
#191
shox | 
France SaDGiTe 
+1
2019-06-25 03:27
#193
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Virtus Pro or Fnatic
2019-06-25 03:36
#195
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Australia t0rrent 
Either faze, navi or envyus
2019-06-25 03:44
#210
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Bulgaria AboveYall 
nV(frenchies) won 2 majors, navi played 3 finals and faze played 1
2019-06-25 07:25
More Liquid haters lmao EU tards are so salty rn when they see an NA team at the top everytime they log on to HLTV!
2019-06-25 04:01
#212
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Bulgaria AboveYall 
Its obv that liquid is the #1 atm, but they dont look as dominant.. Time will tell if they will start an era or just months of fluke
2019-06-25 07:28
#263
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Canada Bucket0 
Time has already told that they are an amazing team wtf are you talking about. The clear second best for the entirety of last year, and now winning 3 tournaments beating ENCE, Astralis, G2 in France, Mouz and comfortably too. They play wayyy better than so many other top1 teams due to astralis forcing them to get so good to even stand a chance against them. They are worse than peak Astralis but better than most
2019-06-25 19:46
#201
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United States Acehavok 
Sorry couldn’t hear you over all of your non #1 teams.
2019-06-25 07:00
#202
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Finland Fliida 
I'm happy to see Liquid as number 1 for once, I mean, NA has never been on top in CS:GO history so good for them. It's a bit weird the way it happened with Astralis just kind of giving up on being number 1, but that's their problem and not Liquid's. In fact I struggle to see Astralis as a top 5 team atm, out of the other teams in the top 5 only Vitality are yet to beat them in a recent tournament, but perhaps they'll get their chance in Cologne. If I do have to be negative about anything it's the fact that Stewie2k is part of a number 1 team, can't stand his square face. Other than that, nothing.
2019-06-25 07:06
Lol FaZe please?
2019-06-25 07:09
#215
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Canada Bucket0 
+1
2019-06-25 07:59
#217
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Canada Bucket0 
Or maybe envyus actually
2019-06-25 07:59
#214
Petra | 
African Union _Hoidd_ 
I love team liquid, just can't accept a weeb being allowed to play the beautiful game of counter strike. I want to hold his hair and chop it off. Fucking weeb.
2019-06-25 07:52
mad cause your hair is shit?
2019-06-25 09:16
#219
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India Noobdian1 
Has to be nip December 2016
2019-06-25 08:26
Liquid, because they never won a major
2019-06-25 09:06
#231
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Canada herocoolzzz 
mad?
2019-06-25 09:20
Why should i ?
2019-06-25 10:33
#223
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Ukraine sanchell1 
ofc Astralis - boringest team ever.
2019-06-25 09:12
Astralis, overrated team with fluke era only because other teams were figuring out the perfect roster. Now their true colors show when they lose to furia twice
2019-06-25 09:14
1 year time for teams to find perfect roster xd nice bait tho
2019-06-26 10:11
Yeah.. winning 3 events they played in since they became No1 makes them the worst Kappa
2019-06-25 09:17
#230
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Canada herocoolzzz 
bad bait dude
2019-06-25 09:20
#232
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Europe meramoer1 
Navi
2019-06-25 09:25
FlipSid3
2019-06-25 09:26
number 1 is number ONE, stop bitching @everyone. gz to liquid for achieving this and any other region team that would in the future deserves it just as much. this salty buthhurt behaviour is fing sad,
2019-06-25 09:31
sk gaming
2019-06-25 09:32
#241
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
NiP
2019-06-25 11:05
#244
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Europe cuur2k 
SK
2019-06-25 11:08
NiP in early stages of CSGO
2019-06-25 11:49
#249
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1 and it's by far
2019-06-25 11:50
EnvyUs, FaZe, VP are the weakest top 1 teams there were because they never won 2 tier 1 tournaments in a row
2019-06-25 12:17
FaZe did? EnvyUs was the number one team during the most competitive era of CS thus far
2019-06-26 09:59
Eleague and New York were both tier 1 tournaments and they won them both without loosing a single map
2019-06-26 10:01
Lmao just checked with EnvyUs and they won both dreamhack london and Gfinity thingy. Both tier 1 tournaments
2019-06-26 10:03
faze pretty much dominant the opponents, not for a long time tho envy won major VP I cant remember anymore lol
2019-06-26 10:10
#254
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Europe Neaxyl 
gambot and mibr
2019-06-25 12:56
#270
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
LG/SK was amazing, stfu bro.
2019-06-26 01:49
#280
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Europe Neaxyl 
flair checks out
2019-06-26 08:27
#307
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
flag*
2019-06-26 18:08
#272
Lox | 
Russia Tsarevich 
Yea LG and SK were amazing But gambit has never been top 1
2019-06-26 01:51
#271
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Gambit.
2019-06-26 01:50
#273
Lox | 
Russia Tsarevich 
#272
2019-06-26 01:52
#274
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
oh, nvm then
2019-06-26 01:52
even i consider liquid not no 1. but liquid have 3 players whom i love i.e the magician, nastyassnaf and sg553 professional. so i have no hard feelings for na team being no 1. lets cheer for liquid and hope for them to stay at no 1.
2019-06-26 07:55
NaVi was number 1 briefly in 2016 right? Also VP early 2017
2019-06-26 09:58
Navi
2019-06-26 10:04
Astralis
2019-06-26 10:18
All of them
2019-06-26 10:24
#298
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Finland whiskey_csgo 
Can you imagine FaZe was top 1 for a brief moment? LMAO!
2019-06-26 11:26
#304
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Israel LeBron_James 
I dont like team liquid because they have stewie and no real awper
2019-06-26 16:01
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