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AWPer vs AWP Player
EliGE | 
North America ENCEneverbeatLIQUIDfinals 
There is a difference, one is the skill of a player on the AWP only, the other is the skill of a player who uses the AWP, but also includes the players skill with a rifle/pistol. Ranking for GOAT AWPers (AWP only): 1. KennyS 2. Guardian 3. s1mple 4. JW 5. Dev1ce Ranking for GOAT AWPers (AWP+Pistol+occasional Rifle) 1. S1mple 2. Dev1ce 3. Guardian 4. JW 5. KennyS
2019-06-24 19:17
#1
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
1. allu
2019-06-24 19:17
0 top 10s
2019-06-24 19:17
#3
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
in terms of balls, he is the best. and we all know balls = skill
2019-06-24 19:18
i think guardian 2 device 3
2019-06-24 19:50
#74
s1mple | 
Netherlands xGrayZ 
xd cry
2019-06-24 21:05
+1))
2019-06-25 17:33
Name doesn't check out
2019-06-25 20:58
But jw has been mediocre since 2015 Jw at 10 in 2015 is probably the worst placement for a player ever
2019-06-24 19:20
Talking about peaks btw shouldve mentioned to further specify PEAK performence, not peeking ability
2019-06-24 19:26
lmao 1 big event rating thats pretty bad, his lan rating was better tho pasha at 3 in 2014 is too high, kenny at 6 in 2014 too low those placements suck aswell
2019-06-24 19:23
That would be friberg based on rating alone hltv.org/news/13931/top-20-players-of-20..
2019-06-24 21:14
JW had a big event rating of 0.99 and was top 10 what do u mean and friberg had a major mvp aswell
2019-06-24 21:16
I thought you were talking about LAN rating
2019-06-24 21:16
still, major mvp means something
2019-06-24 21:17
At least he has a major mvp Jw was the epitome of being carried by achievements
2019-06-25 02:50
#6
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
JW??????????????????????????????????? GUARDIAN????
2019-06-24 19:21
peaks btw, shouldve menitoned
2019-06-24 19:22
#8
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
(AWP+Pistol+occasional Rifle)
2019-06-24 19:23
peak performence, not peeking ability
2019-06-24 19:27
#9
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Estonia 9fiesta 
kenny who???? are u crazy that u put him on a awp goat position he throwed fucking final for G2 yesterday, missing easiest shoots and making stupid decisions yes i cry cause i lost money cause of this unhumanreactionguywannabe
2019-06-24 19:23
im talking about peaks
2019-06-24 19:24
Yeah he's the best awper in cs history
2019-06-24 19:51
+1
2019-06-24 21:18
Oh bohoo, without KennyS going off they wouldn’t have gotten to the grand final to begin with
2019-06-24 19:52
Well if they had another talented awper most likely they would go to finals as well
2019-06-25 00:04
#69
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Hungary OwlOfMoist 
Why would you bet on G2 against the best team in the world btw? And kenny still carried the final. Oh and he has inhuman reactions, and flicks.
2019-06-24 21:00
NiKo fan spotted
2019-06-24 21:18
#106
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Philippines Eclipsa 
he carried lol. Lmao just cause they beat ur FaZe doesn't mean you have to be a lil' bitch bout it
2019-06-25 14:37
He's still the best AWPer in the world right now.
2019-06-25 17:15
#125
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Estonia 9fiesta 
ofc not its s1mple ofc or woxic definitely not kennyShrimp
2019-06-25 17:21
not s0mple or toxic. It's definitely kennyS in terms of pure AWPing.
2019-06-26 17:27
TOP 5 AWPers of all time (by order): 1. GuardiaN 2. s1mple 3. ZyWoo 4. device 5. FalleN 6. kennyS 7. chrisJ 8. allu 9. woxic 10. JW
2019-06-24 19:24
zywoo thats gotta be a no for be dog device 5x top 20, 4x top 5, 3x top 3, 3x major, 1x mvp major, 1x era, 20+x big event, 10+ big event mvp zywoo 0x top 20, 0x top 5, 0x top 3, 0x major, 0x major mvp, 0x era, 1x big event, 1x big event mvp maybe in 3 years, not RN
2019-06-24 19:26
0/8
2019-06-24 19:27
Americano brain = stats and numbers as the only argument in a team game
2019-06-24 19:59
Albanian brain thinking 3 months is enough to overtake 5 years
2019-06-24 19:59
Bravo, u narrowed it down to one phrase as u should have already done
2019-06-24 20:01
Unexpected from Liquid fan but i gotta agree
2019-06-25 17:10
+1
2019-06-25 18:15
#16
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
hahahahaha? 1.kennyS 2.GuardiaN 3.s1mple 4.device 5. FalleN
2019-06-24 19:31
#21
rain | 
New Zealand Flippee 
You can't count to 5?
2019-06-24 19:51
#28
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Europe thaifinnen 
pls zywoo dont be an idiot he his in his first year as a player dont come and call him #2 in history pls go under your rock and hide. im getting stupid by just reading your shitty list
2019-06-24 19:57
He is baiting bro how can u fall for that
2019-06-24 21:10
#87
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Europe thaifinnen 
because some zywoo fans is stating stuff like that and are NOT baiting
2019-06-24 21:24
I dounbt anyone would placed ZywOo in an all time list after a 10month career
2019-06-24 21:25
#89
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Europe thaifinnen 
trust me i've seen some
2019-06-24 21:26
Have you seen the two ZyWoo dicksuckers you have from France on HLTV? Lmfao. Go read some shit from that LanaRhodes retard, or the other fool that has a 3 letter name. Both of them constantly run the Vitality flair; ya'll are a joke if you seriously think ZyWoos mediocre tourney placements don't matter just cause the kid frags.
2019-06-25 15:45
First its ZywOo not ZyWoo. And second what do you mean by "mediocre tourney placements"
2019-06-25 16:10
Ironic af. Go do some looking lmfao.
2019-06-25 16:19
Why are you that mad
2019-06-25 17:08
Didn't know that a two statement response constitutes for "mad", little baguette child. The point was, if you actually rate Zy[W]oo at any point higher than anyone that's been at the top playing for more than a year, they're already more impressive than he is to me. Fragging mindlessly isn't important, and his frags aren't as impactful because he isn't entry. He crutches CT a lot to rake in easy AWP frags on T's while he plays back; this isn't impressive at all to any extent. His prowess stems from the fact he can get so many multikills while hanging back. Actually executing the shots is what makes him good, but him sitting back takes 0 skill as compared to someone else that can do all of the above while AWPing. He can be a top tier player, but the fact so many of you clowns defend him so vehemently while he's only been playing for less than a year's time is actually hilarious and goes to show how impulsive you kids are. He sits back and AWPs people, big deal. Let's see him sit back and casually AWP the best teams in the world and actually consistently win within time; THEN you have merit to add him to the top tier lists. E: You haven't even spelled his name correctly in your own name, which I find absolutely hilarious that you would condescendingly try to correct me lmfao.
2019-06-25 17:32
i promise u the other guy will realize he lost this arguement and then just fall back and say he is baiting
2019-06-25 17:32
Any dipshit that responds with anything containing "mad/cry" is literally a child. Hot take, I know lmfao. He lost when he didn't want to go read the absolute amount of trash hype surrounding his favorite player lol.
2019-06-25 17:34
Look at you hiding behind this guy, how pathetic
2019-06-25 18:12
Lets start by the nickname, ZywOo's nickname isn't mine so thats not relevant to the fact that you are spelling it wrong. Your whole argument is taking false statements for facts: like "his frags aren't as impactful", you can't just expect that to be true by saying it, watch any of vitality games and you will realise that apex gets the majority of the eco frags for example, and keep in mind that players like S1mple, ZywOo, Niko... are the ones that gets the most entrys even tho they aren't labbeled as entry fraggers. "He sits back and AWPs people", like s1mple, like guardian, like KennyS that's just the point of being an awper, getting advantage on gunfights and getting kills to help your team win. You say he is mindlessly getting kills while most of the pro players agree to say he has a natural feel for the game that make him a great player, but who should i trust? Knowing aswell that he is a great clutcher.
2019-06-25 18:12
Nickname argument doesn't make sense; don't correct people if you're just going to backpeddle like an idiot. You apparently also can't critically think and analyze what I said. Expected from typical HLTV user though I suppose. Nothing new there at all honestly. Apex gets kills because he's literally their entry frag and a post plant aggro player. He likes hunts when it's plausible to go for them, so no shit he's going to get more kills, let alone eco kills. It should be his job. I haven't seen apex in his old form since MLG X Aspen. He hit his stint for maybe a month when Vitality first formed, but he's back to being less impactful again. s1mple is literally on his own terms of literally everything; you cannot use him as an example for a player that doesn't even play like him in the first place. NiKo is right behind s1mple, but he's more tangibly comparable to other players because he's not an extreme outlier like s1mple is. Those two examples you listed are literally the first and second best players in the world respectively; so yet again you can't compare them to ZywOo. At all. Plus, their raw fragging ability just allows them to become overconfident enough to play more aggressively, which in turn leads to sometimes, ridiculous kills/killfeeds from these players. GuardiaN has been slumped for years now, kennyS has been slumped for even longer than GuardiaN. kennyS' been making a return, but his AWPing style is much more aggressive than it was passive in the day. The meta just favours aggressive AWPing, and it's honestly how it should be done. s1mple DEFINITELY does not AWP from behind either, if anything you just said he was technically an entry himself (because he does entry--very often if you haven't noticed), yet then stated he sits back. You can't make your mind up on your own shit it looks like. Yeah, and pros just happened to not know the AUG and SG were this broken 4 years ago as well, because they're oh so knowledgeable themselves lmfao. Pros don't know everything. They're human. Everyone credits them too much on their knowledge when literally none of them were creative enough to even give the scoped rifles a shot. That's a significant lack of skill and creativity for them to just happen to miss out on the biggest meta change in years in CS just cause they were too stubborn to literally just try one different thing for once. So no, you shouldn't trust pros 24/7. Perhaps you should actually learn to analyze and come to your own logically based conclusions instead of listening to pros like the sheep you seem to be. Hmu when you can actually come to your own conclusion instead of relying on what pros "think". That way, I'm not wasting my time on another sheep.
2019-06-25 19:45
I corrected you because you were wrong on spelling his nickname, that's it. If someone jumps off a cliff that doesn't mean you should do the same. That's a concept a 3yo can understand. I know apex's role, you said it youself, apex gets most of the eco kills and somehow ZywOo is always way above on the scoreboard, that was my point. Yet you tell us that ZywOo doesn't get meanifull frags so you are just not making any sense on this point. I can use S1mple as example because he have the exact same role ZywOo as. A great all around player force to awp because no one on his team can. Yes ZywOo isn't on S1mple's level yet but their role is identical. "Plus, their raw fragging ability just allows them to become overconfident enough to play more aggressively, which in turn leads to sometimes, ridiculous kills/killfeeds from these players." --> That's just the description of ZywOo. Your paragraph on the awping role is just a bunch of bs tbh, 95% of the times the role of an awper is to hold an angle (as ct or in postplant), awpers go for peeks to regain the advantage or to counter a certain setup. The meta doesn't favors aggressive awpers at all, thats a ridiculous statement knowing that the awp holding the angle as the advantage on the awp peeking it. It's not 2015anymore. + Astralis has been the most dominant team for 1year with the most passive awper you can imagine. And yes star players are to one to get the biggest numbers of entrys wether you like or not, just because they win more gunfights than the ""average"" pro players. The Aug/SG has nothing to do with the subject, a pro player is most likely to know wich player as potential than you or me. Just because they play the game 10hours a day and in NBK's case, with ZywOo so I think he isn't joking when he says ZywOo is a top 3 player in the world. "none of them were creative enough to even give the scoped rifles a shot" Thats just not true, Elige and NBK have been using the krieg for years, Smithzz and Get right used to play the Auto-sniper a lot aswell. And keep in mind that the whole scene agrees to say ZywOo is a great player (Players Analyst Journalist...) but i guess they are all just sheeps following the trend and none of them are competent enough to understand csgo more than you. I have watched every ZywOo's game since he was on aAa, and most of his FPL match's aswell, i'm not just following him since 3 month and copypasting opinions of others. Finaly notice how i manage to answer you without insults or some passive aggressive bs, you should try.
2019-06-25 20:54
You're a joke. Good job repeating shit. Get a brain, ZyWoo cock rider jfc lmfao.
2019-06-26 05:48
u read his name yet? hes prob one of those "ZywOo > s1mple" plebs
2019-06-26 05:50
Calling me pleb while you literaly sucks this guy ass. At least he has the balls to talk to me. You are pathetic
2019-06-26 14:29
Loses the argument --> You are a joke. Good logic tard Fuck you and i hope you cry each time ZywOo wins something and finish in the top 3 hltv.
2019-06-26 14:27
First of all u have it wrong in ur name, Second of all charleroi and summit arent t1
2019-06-25 16:56
My nickname isn't ZywOo's nickname Why are you crying?
2019-06-25 17:06
I literally copied ur comment format to see how u would react
2019-06-25 17:07
What is wrong with this format
2019-06-25 17:13
#30
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Finland suNny_goodest 
LUL ZyWoo better than kennyS nt bait
2019-06-24 19:59
Overall yes, AWP no
2019-06-25 18:13
exactly
2019-06-25 20:55
#35
f0rest | 
Poland axm32 
chrisj zywoo all time XD newfag exposed no markeloff or pasha OMEGALUL
2019-06-24 20:03
markeloff? really? Lul
2019-06-24 20:09
#39
f0rest | 
Poland axm32 
maybe in csgo he didnt achievie anything big but if we are talking about all time yes he was a beast in his prime
2019-06-24 20:10
old markeloff, not CS:GO markeloff. He's got a point, but if we're talking CS:GO (which we are), he [markeloff] shouldn't be on the list at all.
2019-06-25 19:46
Newfag spotted
2019-06-24 20:10
-999; #1 should always be kennyS
2019-06-25 17:15
#17
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Europe Ligm@ 
where is chrisj and oskar WFT WTF WTF WTF WTF
2019-06-24 19:31
#18
Bubzkji | 
Russia gavkik 
Zywoo?
2019-06-24 19:47
> first year as a pro player > GOAT pick one
2019-06-24 20:01
Excuse me but,: AWP, PISTOL, RIFLE+IGL, 2nd best player in the world,.... the only one is Fallen
2019-06-24 19:50
You misspelled shox and niko
2019-06-24 20:11
Not than good with awp, maybe decent
2019-06-24 20:13
Shox got more kills at epl with an awp than fallen has gotten the past 4 tournaments.
2019-06-24 20:15
#150
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France Lelib 
FalleN is great, not at the level of shox, but still
2019-06-26 15:09
Other than major he hasn’t led his team to a good placing the entire year.
2019-06-26 19:11
But kenny is also amazing with a rifle and a pistol... and a guardian is a good rifler too
2019-06-24 19:51
not nearly as good as s1mple
2019-06-24 19:53
Ofc not but kenny is what you described as an awp player
2019-06-24 19:53
Kenny is a very good pistol player (what French player isn’t lmao)
2019-06-24 20:12
smithZz
2019-06-24 20:18
#26
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Europe thaifinnen 
awp+ak+pistol 1 s1mple 2 kennys 3 device 4 jw 5 guardian awp 1 kennys 2 s1mple 3 guardian 4 jw 5 fallen (but since he wasnt in your list so ok device)
2019-06-24 19:53
kennyS beetter rifles and pistols than GuardiaN,device,jw ? What drugs are u using lmao ?
2019-06-24 20:18
#54
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
ofc he is
2019-06-24 20:27
Certainly not better than device or JW, but better than Guardian in that case
2019-06-24 21:07
#64
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Europe thaifinnen 
kennys is and has been great with pistol his whole career. really solid with ak/m4 even though he 9/10 plays with the awp. Jw solid with ak/m4 but his pistol game sucks, he was only good with the op cz. Device solid with both pistol and ak/m4 but i feel like kennys edges him out since his awping >device by far. Guardian i mean do i even have to say anything. never been good or solid with either riffle or pistol
2019-06-24 20:55
#55
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
great list!
2019-06-24 20:27
#66
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Europe thaifinnen 
thx man
2019-06-24 20:57
#29
shox | 
Romania cold_1 
kennys >>>> JW and Guardian on rifle and pistol... not even close wtf.. and also >>> JW and Guardin on AWP.
2019-06-24 19:57
JW doesn’t main awp most of the time how does Kenny have better rifles?
2019-06-24 20:13
#46
shox | 
Romania cold_1 
even so kenny > jw in any aspects except major titles maybe
2019-06-24 20:15
Agreed.
2019-06-24 20:16
#78
Zero | 
Slovakia t4gg3d 
Fan of teams : G2 0/8
2019-06-24 21:10
#90
shox | 
Romania cold_1 
fan of frozen ? a.k.a fan of some nobody..
2019-06-24 23:45
#101
shox | 
Romania cold_1 
Ok, so basically you compare a kid with 16 maops playd on lan with a legend of the game and based on that you got to the conclusion that frozen > shox ? yeah, gg. you must lack neurons in your brain. :)
2019-06-25 09:04
buddy im talking about right now 99.99% of teams would rather have frozen than shox rn frozen is the future, shox is a washed up baguette
2019-06-25 16:55
#92
Zero | 
Slovakia t4gg3d 
#91 lmao 0/8
2019-06-25 00:03
yeah frozen easily top 5 player under 19 (i used 19 cuz thats like first year out of high school) Zywoo TwistZz SergeJ Ropz Frozen the future
2019-06-25 00:04
#100
Zero | 
Slovakia t4gg3d 
+1
2019-06-25 06:37
No fallen? LUL
2019-06-24 20:06
Fallen only good for like 2 years and wasn’t even the best awper
2019-06-24 20:13
#50
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
2016/2017 fallen was the best awper.. g2 shit fan kennyS died in 2014... just cry men
2019-06-24 20:21
No it was guardian/kennyS Check stats
2019-06-24 20:22
#52
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
Fallen #2 best player in 2016 and no, KennyS and guardian are not the best in this years...
2019-06-24 20:26
Fallen was only ranked high because coldzera hard carried him to win tournaments when u win events, u get placed higher than u deserve look at BOTlof top 1 in 2015, never top 7 again
2019-06-24 20:26
#57
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
2# because he is carried by cold?? nice bait
2019-06-24 20:29
im talking about in 2017 he was not better than s1mple in 2017, yet ranked higher
2019-06-24 20:29
#60
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
simple happened to be good in 2018, but in 2017 he did not even click... he just do 1 play falling of the heaven in cache and the s1mple fans " OH MY GOD SIMPLE IS A GOD"
2019-06-24 20:33
2019-06-24 20:34
2014 kennyS GuardiaN JW 2015 GuardiaN kennyS JW 2016 GuardiaN Fallen kennyS 2017 kennyS GuardiaN Fallen 2018 S1mple Device GuardiaN /closed
2019-06-24 20:34
#63
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
KennyS 2017??? Guardian 2016?? Fallen #2 best player in the world in 2016 and the 6# in 2017.. they are not even close fallen in these years... fanboy of PennyS and fatiaN
2019-06-24 20:38
Just facts Ranking doesn’t mean a shit when it comes to skill 70% are trophies And fallen was carried by cold
2019-06-24 20:59
#152
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
you like numbers right? fallen 2016 99 maps more than guardian and stay with 0.40 with awp... in majors... fallen 0.40 Guardian 0.34 in big events fallen played 44 maps more than guardian and loss in the stats by 0,01... if guardian had played more 44 maps in 2016 his score will be much worse than fallen.. and yeahhhh FALLEN > GUARDIAN
2019-06-26 15:27
#147
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United States Oklahoma_ 
JW was significantly better than Guardian in 2014. JW was a close second behind KennyS in 2014.
2019-06-26 07:18
That’s your only argument haha shows you aren’t much intellectually.
2019-06-25 00:04
#151
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Brazil Hideonbushh 
your argument much intellectually?? 0 results.. :)
2019-06-26 15:22
+1 FalleN>>>kennyasS
2019-06-24 20:27
#67
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1 i'd take fallen before device in top 5 awpers ever also but idk this guy isnt
2019-06-24 20:58
Awpers list without fallen, what a joke
2019-06-24 20:30
#65
rain | 
Norway joanus 
personally i think guardian has better aim than device. device just has really good gamesense and can play off his teammates so it usually works for him.
2019-06-24 20:56
zywoo,fallen,allu,oskar,woxic all better than jw
2019-06-24 21:00
Im talking about peak performence
2019-06-24 21:01
still fallen>jw if we count 1.6 too markeloff>all
2019-06-24 21:02
S1mple peak > markeloff peak, ur a real oldfag if u think otherwise, s1mple peak > any peak also jw awping peak > fallen awping peak fallen only ranked higher cuz cold carried events, s1mple stats in 2017 way better than fallen, yet ranked lower, same for kennyS 2016, fallen was good, still not as good as jw with awp tho
2019-06-24 21:04
#75
Monkey | 
Brazil g8Q0wHY 
why the fuck would you count 1.6
2019-06-24 21:06
pro cs history so why wouldnt you
2019-06-25 02:36
its 2019 not 2010
2019-06-25 13:52
wtf are you talking about? like jw peak is in 2019 right? fakeflagger brain he is talking about peak times
2019-06-25 14:30
its 2019, why would anyone make thread of top 5 all time awpers including cs go + 1.6? 2 different games, 90% current pros havent played 1.6 as a pro, even as a casual player so ur retarded
2019-06-25 14:31
its still cs you dumbfuck
2019-06-25 15:28
tr brain kkkkkk
2019-06-25 15:31
go do ur homework kid
2019-06-25 15:41
#109
2019-06-25 16:31
youre trying too hard, then again you didnt put zywoo in the 2nd one so i dont know if i should rate this a 2/8 or a 0/8
2019-06-24 21:17
#103
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Indonesia XlunnarelX 
> 1 year pro scene > GOAT
2019-06-25 14:29
#97
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Brazil llskll 
JW kakakaka
2019-06-25 02:40
#99
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
PigW hhhhhhhhh Ez Noob ranking Talking about AWP and no talking about Zywoo?xddddddd
2019-06-25 02:51
#108
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Faroe Islands sundby 
ZywOo GOAT
2019-06-25 15:31
Shit thread.
2019-06-25 17:10
#133
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Tunisia darkoplax 
for some reason FalleN , allu and oskar are left out ? hello ?
2019-06-25 18:14
#140
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United Kingdom SkaTyce 
Oskar was only a top awper for a year and even then he was incredibly inconsistent. Allu is decent but Is far from top 5. In all time JW>Fallen but from 2016 onwards Fallen>JW
2019-06-25 21:01
#141
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Tunisia darkoplax 
I would say all time 1- kennyS 2- GuardiaN 3- oskar 4- FalleN 5- JW
2019-06-25 21:02
#142
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United Kingdom SkaTyce 
1.KennyS 2.S1mple 3.Guardian 4.Fallen 5.JW Could easily put S1mple above KennyS but because of raw awp skill and slight bias I’d still put him above even tho his rifle isn’t even comparable
2019-06-25 23:23
#145
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Tunisia darkoplax 
oskar would def crack the top 5 , you're easily underrating him
2019-06-26 07:15
#154
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Czech Republic Skleepy 
Yaya for a year, that´s why he was TOP 20 two times in a row. He was even better before but playing for shitraisers so no chance.
2019-06-26 17:31
#146
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United States Oklahoma_ 
JW is a significantly better rifler and pistol player than Guardian and that's facts
2019-06-26 07:16
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