VP had some of the best tactics for their time* they dont come close to Astralis. They innovated in much more basic ways than Astralis in a more basic meta that had much less mid-rounding, anti-stratting, and playmaking from CTs. Not to mention their innovations were when the game was 2 years old and the meta was much less defined. Astralis are innovating 7 years into the game and their innovations require much more coordination, planning, and strategy. Not to mention they develop more direct counters to teams, have a lot more variation in their tactics and are consistently able to condition their opponents into playing how they want. That's not how VP operated, VP had very direct tactics that aimed at solely getting picks or bomb plants. Astralis have tactics developed for getting and holding parts of the map consistently for map control and play much more structured and coordinated in those positions.
"What VP, Na'vi, Fnatic did defined the meta,"
Astralis has defined the meta in so many ways from smoke walls to nade stacks to entire utility sets. They mastered banana control (many teams copied them) they mastered yard control on Nuke (many teams also copied). If you honestly belive that no team has tried to replicate their tactics and style you're delusional.
"Other teams win on skill with pug stars"
Is that why Ence rose?
Is that why every analyst and coach is crediting how layered and structured Vitality's T sides are?
VP even towards the end when they started falling off still had amazing strats, their players were just not hitting their shots.
No they looked completely lost towards the end when their stars were no longer elite players and they didnt have the drive to carry. Their strats were pretty outdated and they got read quite easily. Stop trying to change history.
"Liquid just has insane players btw nothing else, Nitro was and never will be a tactical IGL, Elige just runs around with COD guns 1 tapping everyone, NAF is a beast and always was even in his old teams really under rated player, TwistZz is a good baiter and Stewie2k is just a good utility player who can do a little bit of everything at a high level. "
It's both the most skilled and most tactically deep NA roster weve ever had because that's what the game demands today to be elite. It's clear you're opinionated at this point because you're disagreeing with the widespread majority of people who are paid to analyze and coach the game and you definitely didnt watch the video I linked. Most of what you're typing is incredibly ignorant - Mouz and Faze were both top 5 teams for long periods of times and Faze had a period of dominance when they added NiKo, remember ESL One NY 2017? If skill dominant pug lineups with no structure and only stars were viable Faze would have been a MUCH more successful project. You're arguing against history here.