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United States KinglyFish 
Wow, what a disaster. These people seriously want to decriminalize illegally crossing the border and give whoever makes it across free healthcare. In fact they want to give everyone free healthcare, and some of them want to forgive student loan debt. Where's the money going to come from? We have a suicide and opioid epidemic that hasn't been fixed yet, we really can't afford to pay for illegal immigrants' healthcare.
2019-06-30 19:23
2019-06-30 19:24
-1 This is a serious issue men))
2019-06-30 19:26
Trump is a "serious issue". There are no good politicians in the USA, Dems and Reps are both right on the spectrum, but electing some moderate centrist (like Sanders or Warren) could be a solution.
2019-07-03 10:10
I don't think Sanders is a centrist dude, he's further left than many European politicians. He's on the left, but not the far left. Yang is a good choice in my opinion.
2019-07-03 10:28
Yes, introducing basic income for everyone makes sense to me Sanders > Warren > Yang > Any other Dem > moderate Reps > Trump > "libertarian" Reps like Cruz/Rubio
2019-07-03 10:32
I'd honestly prefer Trump over any candidate that's not Tulsi, Yang, Bernie, or Warren.
2019-07-03 10:33
just a fan of controversial positions and extremism i guess. Fuck off would you?
2019-07-03 16:20
If you don't like my opinions for some reason there's no point in telling me to fuck off my own thread. I made the thread specifically to share my opinions.
2019-07-03 16:22
i am telling your opinion to fuck off because I am not sure you can get more incongruous than 'I just hope it is the most extreme person from the left or right'
2019-07-03 16:28
I agree with certain aspects of what Trump is doing. It's not all right or left.
2019-07-03 16:40
2019-07-09 02:04
The irony LOL
2019-07-03 16:36
United States Oklahoma_ 
You got baited. Take the L and move on.
2019-07-08 02:24
Lmao, I don't think this guy is baiting. Some people really are this far left.
2019-07-08 02:25
United States Oklahoma_ 
smart_leftist is a notorious baiter
2019-07-08 02:26
Canada ProvexPyker 
Yang Gang 😎😎😎
2019-07-08 03:40
2019-07-08 16:43
yes men) , and Canada could also use someone like Yang men))
2019-07-08 16:45
2019-07-03 16:34
Name doesn't check out, if there are no good politicians than how is Trump a problem if any possible replacement would be just as if not more bad
2019-07-08 03:43
France ponche 
Democrats = foreigner's party
2019-06-30 19:25
China lxxl 
Foreigners=Democrat's Party
2019-06-30 19:26
France ponche 
Yeah it's a big part of their electorate hence why they want open borders.
2019-06-30 19:27
They just want more voters, that's why they support this stuff.
2019-07-01 18:08
They want more voters so they promote free health care for illegal immigrants before people who can actually vote even have it? Nice.
2019-07-03 16:21
They're probably hoping the illegal immigrants will eventually become citizens that vote for the Democratic party.
2019-07-03 16:22
Jesus. Good luck mate. Trump again in 2020 I guess?
2019-07-03 16:23
Unless they nominate someone like Yang who appeals to both sides, then Trump is probably going to reelected.
2019-07-03 16:24
Trump seems fairly moderate anyway, could be worse.
2019-07-03 17:03
United States Slyckz 
idk dude everyone tells me is basically hitler ¯\_('o')_/¯
2019-07-08 02:22
I agree with some very limited aspects of what he's doing, so I'm not totally against him, but honestly he's not moderate at all. He seems pretty right wing on everything: immigration, trade, etc...
2019-07-08 02:24
United States Oklahoma_ 
Wanting the best for his citizens is 100% far right politics
2019-07-08 02:25
Lmao, his trade and foreign policies are disastrous. He should've just properly renegotiated NAFTA, then our European trade agreements. He's decided to go after everyone simultaneously instead. Meanwhile China is loaning money to developing countries to build new infrastructure, this infrastructure by design directs trade back to China. We need a president who's trying to actually compete for international trade and will compete with China's Belt Road Initiative. Most of the benefits for his tax cuts went to the wealthy, this is just a fact. Also he's turned Obama 500 billion dollar deficit into almost a 1 trillion dollar deficit.
2019-07-08 02:31
What would you know about trade and foreign policy oh that's right nothing so STFU and stop acting like you know anything. Your facts are subjective beliefs please get a dose of reality, you think any politician has any consideration to the thoughts or needs of common sheep. You don't need anything, the system isn't broken ornin danger it's not for you. America isn't a democracy its an oligarchal plutocracy so understand the implications of that
2019-07-08 03:47
nt triks 37th alt
2019-07-08 03:50
Wtf are you even trying to say? "What would you know about trade and foreign policy oh that's right nothing so STFU and stop acting like you know anything." You keep rambling about how I don't know anything, but literally say nothing to counter what I'm saying except "the system isn't broken". You rambling on about how "it's not for you" or whatever doesn't counter what I said.
2019-07-08 16:42
your rant of gibberish already discredits anything you say. I suggest you shutup and get lost instead of making yourself look stupid like a typical college student with no arguments.
2019-07-08 16:46
It’s almost as if they’re trying to get trump elected again lmao
2019-06-30 19:26
Literally all they had to was say something like: "we're going to have a strong border secured by motion sensor technology, not a wall, and we'll have a streamlined court system for asylum seekers" They seriously would've won the election easily if they just took more moderate positions.
2019-06-30 19:29
The system of selection doesn't favor level headed people, but instead in favors people who are for their party more or less (example: someone who is far right is more likely to get the republican nomination than a moderate republican person). It goes both ways and the system produces trash people.
2019-07-02 04:43
United States PsychoLogical 
you really think the dems would actually think of that? nearly all of them have poor let alone little to no policies.
2019-07-02 05:35
It's basically just Andrew Yang's border policy tbh. He's seriously one of the only good candidates.
2019-07-08 16:59
well out of all of them, AY’s actually got the strongest/strictest policy on the border.
2019-07-08 17:08
I think it's just reasonable. Strong border with opportunities for asylum seekers. Better than the open border policies of most of the democrats.
2019-07-08 17:09
the open border shit basically ended their chances of being POTUS, chased away the important swing votes.
2019-07-08 17:13
Real shame Andrew Yang raised his hand out of pressure or something. That seriously hurt his campaign.
2019-07-08 17:14
2019-06-30 19:26
-1 Not bait
2019-06-30 19:31
Better to spend money on this than bombing middle eastern countries as usual
2019-06-30 19:27
Dude, the entire military budget wouldn't pay for healthcare just for people who live here legally.
2019-06-30 19:44
France swag0 
huh is that the only thing that they were proposing to cover for healthcare? were you even listening lol?im not even american lol
2019-07-02 07:39
I was watching, some of the candidates wanted to forgive college debt, free healthcare, etc... And the cost of free healthcare is in the trillions alone, why would less military spending fund it? I did watch them, seemingly you didn't since I have no idea what you're talking about.
2019-07-02 08:31
France swag0 
its def possible working to a high degree in europe
2019-07-02 09:12
France swag0 
way higher than the us atleast in france
2019-07-02 09:12
Have you looked at your own country in the last 3 years?
2019-07-08 03:31
France swag0 
yea i did and last time i checked college is free and health care is communist utopia compared to your country's LOL
2019-07-08 08:53
LOL, says the person who lives in a country with daily riots and a skyrocketing crime rate
2019-07-08 18:00
ur a spastic dont create political threads
2019-07-02 08:56
Lmao. Medicare for all would cost about 3 trillion dollars even according to conservative estimates, the military budget isn't even at a trillion dollars, not even close. You're ignorant, if you don't like my threads, do me a favor and don't comment.
2019-07-02 08:58
United States PsychoLogical 
why dont you try making one then?
2019-07-02 09:08
Rarely have the patience of my fellow lefties on here. Plus HLTV is one big shithole where 50 percent of the people in political threads are far right usually and there is no point in wasting your time with em
2019-07-02 09:17
Haha, someone I disagree with is far right haha
2019-07-02 13:22
Random, hyper excited???
2019-07-08 03:49
if you implemented a national health care plan like civilised countries do, for the same price, you could provide healthcare for about 100 million people with your federal military budget. but of course, that does not include any spending by the states, some of which actually have healthcare plans already, like romneycare in Massachusetts. the federal govt would only need to subsidize these programs.
2019-07-02 11:45
US doctors tend to be paid a lot more than in other countries though, this adds to the cost. Even relatively small American towns can have multiple massive community hospitals. To retain the quality of our current healthcare system, it would cost 3 trillion dollars. It's not uncommon for the hospital to overwhelmingly be the largest building in your town, they're truly massive.
2019-07-02 11:48
and yet your healthcare quality is lower than in europe on average
2019-07-02 13:13
Depends on what kind of insurance and how much money you have sadly. Some people can get extremely specialized, skilled doctors to treat them, many cannot.
2019-07-02 13:17
it costs more and is worse on average, then it doesnt depend on how much money you have, its worse for everyone. it could either be even better for the same amount of money, or cheaper.
2019-07-02 13:18
"on average" is the key phrase here, I can assure you it is not worse for everyone.
2019-07-02 13:18
what kind of mentality is this? if its worse on average than you will usually get bad care. you can get lucky and get good care, yeah. but why should you have to get lucky? just implement a working public healthcare system. its not exactly rocket science.
2019-07-02 13:20
I'm saying if you have the money you can get the best care possible in the world. On average it isn't good though.
2019-07-02 13:27
but if the average got better than the above average care for people who can afford to pay more would also get even better
2019-07-02 13:29
Dude if there's a wider range, it's perfectly possible to have lots of extremely low quality healthcare and few high quality healthcare, and still be below average. They're getting the world's best now, even if the system as a whole was upgraded, there's wouldn't. I'm not agreeing with the system, I'm just telling you
2019-07-02 15:05
if more people could have better more expensive treatment in a better healthcare system, people and companies in health care would make more money and could create better products and services. your system doesnt make any sense. its not optimal.
2019-07-02 16:17
They're making an insane amount of money off this system dude. Didn't you say that our system is overpriced or something? Everyone would be paying less money under a European system.
2019-07-03 00:05
and why do your people accept doctors that place profit over your health? they swore an oath. its like so many other things in america. why do you put up with it? things like this, like police officers emptying clips on people, like your massive amount of student debt. its bad for everyone. why do americans have this mentality that if just a few people can make a lot of money, its fine, even if the system is very bad for them and for most other people. sometimes it seems like youre just 20 iq behind on europe. even when your politicians lie, its way more obvious.
2019-07-03 09:30
There's a massive part of this country that supports healthcare being private, on top of our many other problems. Even if those people aren't the majority, politicians can point to them as the reason they're not doing anything. It's how it is man.
2019-07-03 09:44
why though. one twitter post and a couple demonstrations and it could all change. why arent you interested in changing things that are broken? its like you just gave up on being a functional society like 50 years ago. when jfk got shot or something.
2019-07-03 09:45
"why though. one twitter post and a couple demonstrations and it could all change." Dude seriously? Lmao. There's been thousands of tweets and probably hundreds or even thousands of demonstrations. Nothings changed. This isn't the Netherlands, the country is really big, so even if 10,000 people demonstrate, it's a very small part of our population.
2019-07-03 09:49
there are a lot more than 10000 people in the US who would benefit from a national health care plan. if they all came out and talked about it and voted for candidates who also want that policy then it would be done.
2019-07-03 09:57
Like I said a sizable minority don't want this stuff. Do you know how the electoral college works? It favors red states with small populations. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million votes, but still lost the election.
2019-07-03 10:03
its not just about the presidential election, you can vote for health care in every election, state, presidential, midterm, they all matter.
2019-07-03 10:05
Each state gets two senators, including red states with small populations. That makes it almost impossible to pass something like this on a national level.
2019-07-03 10:31
arent the red states usually also the ones that would actually benefit the most from a national healthcare program? lower average incomes, lower life expectancy, lower healthcare quality than in coastal metropolitan areas
2019-07-03 11:34
I've always said red states vote against their interests. Wealthier blue states would benefit the least from welfare programs, but we're the ones voting for it.
2019-07-03 16:03
it doesnt make any sense!
2019-07-03 16:16
Yup, people on welfare in America are vocally against welfare. I don't mean that in a "they vote for people who cut welfare" kind of way, rather I mean they're literally on welfare and tell other people how all welfare programs should be ended. It's very strange.
2019-07-03 16:18
Health should Not depend on your wealth
2019-07-07 01:40
I know, I'm just telling him how it works here.
2019-07-07 01:40
i dont think having to beat the average is a good basis for a national healthcare plan. at least 50% of ppl will get fucked.
2019-07-02 13:21
you are confusing health care and insurance. Our insurance is fucked and completely broken, leading to maintenance type healthcare being completely broken Our acute healthcare though is pretty spectacular, even for people that have no hope of paying, they are treated and the cost is subsidized. I personally was admitted, had serious surgery, and was at home in 6 hours total and worked from home the next day. Really really amazing acute and emergency services, if not stupidly expensive for really no reason (i payed), but they treat pretty much everyone with an emergency regardless.
2019-07-03 22:02
working the day after serious surgery? why didnt you call in sick
2019-07-03 23:51
because I was at home and feeling good and my job is mostly cognitive, reduced shifts though for some medicine time
2019-07-04 00:12
do you get paid any less if you call in sick or do actually really like your job? currently i also like my job but any of the previous ones i would take like 3 weeks off after surgery just because i could but sadly i dont really get sick that often, just flu in winter
2019-07-04 23:42
neither really, my job is ok, not like i wake up everyday thanking the heavens or anything. We get sick leave and vacation time to use, but I could work remotely and felt good so i did.
2019-07-08 16:34
It would.
2019-07-12 10:00
Medicare for All would cost around 3 trillion dollars.
2019-07-12 13:57
You know how "free healthcare" works? It is not like the government would have to pay 3 trillion dollars
2019-07-12 14:34
Dude you have to be baiting lmao
2019-07-13 05:17
I am not baiting. But you dont understand how free healthcare works in different countries, read into it, how it is done in different countries. But what can I expect, people hear 3 trillion and the Stop thinking without looking into it what they actually counted.
2019-07-13 10:18
Dude come on, you're baiting, just admit it. Who's gonna pay for it if not the government?
2019-07-13 15:34
Did you really never Heard how this stuff is done. Everyone is forced to pay Money to one of the different insurance companies and they pay for stuff then. Like a Pool of money and whoever is ill, gets money depending on what he/she has etc. Germany's spendings on healthcare are at 380 billion for hospitals etc. Even If your 3 trillion doesnt make sense , 300mil vs 80mil, 3 trillion vs 376 billion Doesnt fit. But that's what happens when pay Just say, THE STATE PAYS FOR THIS, WAY TOO EXPENSIVE , WHERE SHOULD THE MONEY COME FROM. this is not how free healthcare works, because in the end it isnt free healthcare, but Just cheaper healthcare.
2019-07-13 15:42
American healthcare is more expensive, if you're a doctor in America, there's a good chance you're in the top 1% of wealth. Lots of doctors make over 450k a year.
2019-07-13 15:44
That's what happens If you privatize healthcare :)
2019-07-13 15:48
Well it's too late now man. They're not gonna take lower pay and they don't have to, they're in demand. Med schools make sure to only admit so many students to keep the demand high.
2019-07-13 15:53
You also have to take into consideration that studying medicine is expensive, atleast in the US.
2019-07-13 15:56
Yeah, but the salary is absolutely insane. They pay off med school pretty quickly lmao.
2019-07-13 15:56
USA culture is turning into clown show for rest of world to watch. And ironically the rest of the world is even worse.
2019-07-01 18:11
Yes pretty much
2019-07-08 03:50
dude.. what you describe is literally germoney kek.
2019-07-01 18:15
Switzerland hanniba1fade 
cut military budget by 0.01% and all ur societal problems are fixed
2019-07-01 18:17
Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Are you 14?
2019-07-01 18:19
Switzerland hanniba1fade 
no but thanks for asking
2019-07-01 18:21
"Where's the money going to come from? " Says alot that you don't ask the same question when the US spends trillions on their military
2019-07-01 18:22
Retards like you dont understand that this investment is what makes USA no. #1 country in the world thus it gives them back far far FAR more than they actually spend. But then again, what would we expect from a commie, right?
2019-07-01 18:30
yeah I'm sure bombing brown people really helps the population of the US
2019-07-01 18:30
Actually that helps too lol. But seriously Military strength -> political power -> influence -> money Even Putin said it once, that they gotta keep the military power because its basically political influence. You always have something you can bring up and tell others "hey fuck off and shut up or we'll annihilate you, cuz we can". If US didnt have so powerful army, so big spendings on it etc etc. They wouldnt be numbah 1 period.
2019-07-01 20:44
no if only the population would profit from it instead if getting in debt because of sickness
2019-07-01 20:59
Besides USA having a big military allows for other nato countries not to spend on their own military
2019-07-02 09:13
But they dont and wont actually do that. Its like a chained bear. Yeah he can growl and hes stronger than you but he wont actually do anything. Wanna bet?
2019-07-05 10:41
middle eastern oil? american companies in china? american companies in europe? trading weapons and military stuff with 3/4 of the world? american bases across the whole world in case someone dares to attack them? how do you think they got their hands on all of that? dude all because their military is no. 1
2019-07-05 18:07
Yeah, middle eastern oil was the only thing really and the US didnt do it in the way you described just "flexing" on another country like some gorilla. They lied about WMDs and used that as a justification, at least in Iraq and possibly soon Iran. "American companies in china and europe" is nothing militarily. Trading weapons happens partially by private weapons manufacturers. I dont know how much but its definitely not just the US military doing those trades. And again, the US will never randomly attack russia or the EU despite those countries starting to leave the US out of f.e. trade agreements. THATS my point.
2019-07-05 18:16
"American companies in china and europe" is nothing militarily. The thing is IT IS. It all has been established because of their political influence which i explained earlier, they wouldnt have it if they didnt have powerful military. As i said military>influence>profit. They may spend trillions on their army, but the profit is much much bigger, you just gotta see the bigger picture. You may call them imperialist or w/e, but do you think other countries wouldnt do and act the same if they were in similar situation? USA had the opportunity (end of WW2) and used it, and now they're most powerful country in the world, end of the story.
2019-07-05 18:23
"They wouldnt have it if they didnt have powerful military." Substantiation needed.
2019-07-05 18:30
Because investing money in the health of ur population definitely won't give any economic benefits right???
2019-07-01 18:37
Being no. 1 military still gives more.
2019-07-01 20:45
2019-07-02 04:33
Finland DuploMen 
2019-07-02 07:41
common sense
2019-07-05 18:08
In what way are we number one. We have the income of a first world country yet the living conditions of a second world country
2019-07-02 05:28
Honestly, most of the poverty seems to concentrated in the South and Midwest. East and West Coast seem to be fine for the most part.
2019-07-02 07:34
Doesn't change the fact that it's still there
2019-07-02 07:51
Yeah true, but those states really only have themselves to blame for their situation. The Midwest still hasn't recovered from losing their factory jobs almost 30-40 years ago now,
2019-07-02 08:41
The fact is the super liberal north east and west coast are booming, the rest of America isn’t doing well. I wonder what’s the thing that the west coast Andy north east are and the Midwest and south aren’t, oh yeah liberal
2019-07-02 16:15
I'm not sure whether its educated people tend to be liberal and move to these parts of the country, or liberalism itself that produces the wealth.
2019-07-03 00:13
Germany Benjir_V1 
🤔 I think both are true
2019-07-03 10:04
I wouldn’t call a skyrocketing crime rate “booming” but you do you bro
2019-07-08 03:41
High immigration. Most who migrate to US become criminals/drug dealers etc. while old and established families help their children to establish their life and future. Thats why most whites have a good living and others not, its not the fault of the system or some retarded white privilege, its just cultural and social differences. Migration always increases crime rate but when its properly controlled 2nd or 3rd generation of migrants might actually grow to a decent person. But when immigration gets out of control, social differences happen and those people cant keep up with the system. Its sad that people dont understand it and blame everything on racism and think their goal to fix it is fight for more privileges so that the well established group of people (whites asians etc) have it harder and they have it easier. Whats funny is that they actually believe its how they "fight racism", while being totally racist themselves LMAO.
2019-07-05 18:19
Actually the crime rate among immigrants is lower than that of native born people
2019-07-06 08:49
Native born people. Yes, like 90% of those you talk about are 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants which proves my point that if there's too much immigration even next generations cant live properly in that country...i already said that but ok...
2019-07-06 17:08
Sweden Trkmag 
2019-07-01 20:45
The annual budget isn't in the trillions, medicare for all would cost around 3 trillion dollars annually on other hand.
2019-07-02 11:49
U.S Spends less than 650 Billions on military , the majority of spending is in social programs and medicare , roughly 4 trillions per year , running almost a trillion dollar fiscal deficit.
2019-07-02 11:51
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Europe NiQa 
I am a member of closed US “Libertarian atheists” group on FB. These guys are eager to criticize almost everyone. But I have never seen this much disapproval in the group as I could witness after these debates.
2019-07-01 18:28
Switzerland hanniba1fade 
but really, democrats are soooo retarded that they're shifting to the left. now is the worst time to do this. it leaves republicans with no option but to vote trump again. if they would get a candidate that is politically centered and seems reasonable they could steal right wing voters who dislike trump (people who want someone "classy" and trustworthy as president)
2019-07-01 18:32
AKA Andrew Yang The only bad thing is he wants to decriminalize border crossings, but wants to put more money into securing the border???? Strange position on that, but he's still the best out of the dems.
2019-07-02 07:36
United States PsychoLogical 
I think he raised his hand due to pressure and from some sort of cautiousness.
2019-07-02 08:23
I think he just got nervous because he may have been getting muted on top of being asked almost no questions, he knew it was going poorly for him. The entire debate was a clown fiesta, a complete embarrassment for NBC. The Democrats have a very real chance of losing to Trump again partly because of this.
2019-07-02 08:36
United States PsychoLogical 
it was obviously a shitshow. Guess CNN and ABC will have to try to make up for Make Shit N Be Cancer’s disasterous failure.
2019-07-02 08:45
CNN gained a lot of respect back from me for being so fair to Andrew Yang, people don't give them enough credit for this. Hopefully they handle this better.
2019-07-02 08:46
United States PsychoLogical 
well lets be fair, CNN at first gave him nothing but shit like MSNBC has done for weeks but it seems overtime they’re starting to give some respect.
2019-07-02 08:48
They gave him a fair amount of coverage when he hit 1%. I can't expect them to heavily cover candidates polling at less than a percent.
2019-07-02 08:49
Andrew Yang is a good man , but his policies are absolutely terrible.
2019-07-02 11:52
Which ones? UBI?
2019-07-03 03:37
well Yang and Tulsi are legit the only sane and good dems we got running right now unfortunately. It’d be an actual miracle if one of these two got nominated.
2019-07-03 09:30
The actual miracle would be if Rand Paul got to president and was let work as he wants , but i get what you're saying.
2019-07-03 12:57
United States PsychoLogical 
well theres Andrew Yang whos actually gaining support from people from all sides from the typical progressives to the conservatives. And he has gained alot of respect for not playing identity politics, talking to people of all sides and has recently recieved praise for speaking out on the antifa violence incident where he spoke out against the violence on Andy Ngo.
2019-07-02 08:27
this, dems are legit digging their own graves becoming more and more leftist, dunno if thats their actual goal or they're really that stupid
2019-07-06 17:10
Sweden Trkmag 
''In fact they want to give everyone free healthcare, and some of them want to forgive student loan debt''. I mean we more or less have this in the nordics except ''free'' means funded by the taxes and it works pretty good.
2019-07-01 20:46
Fox news makes it look like these policies that are working very well in every developed country are extremist leftist when in fact they are the NORM. Fuck the american media.
2019-07-05 10:43
Sweden Trkmag 
Yeah it’s a joke
2019-07-05 11:37
United States joke_cs 
Free healthcare so scary :(
2019-07-02 04:39
Decriminalizing border crossings is scary.
2019-07-02 07:36
United States Nohj_ 
2019-07-02 08:26
United States Trump2020KAG 
45% taxes is so scary which is what will happen if we get free healthcare.
2019-07-03 10:21
tbf, I wouldnt give a shit about how high taxes are if they didnt get wasted on bullshit. And universal healthcare is something this country actually needs, the hard part is implementing it.
2019-07-03 10:25
United States Trump2020KAG 
U wouldn’t mind giving half ur paycheck so all them lazy fat slobs and inner city scumbags can all get free healthcare???? Them millions and millions of lazy worthless people who do nothing but breed the next wave of worthless humans living off the government. U would be ok giving half of ur hard earned money to a drug addict homeless bum???? I’d quit my job and become one of them before I gave half my money away. We have WAY WAY to many people in this country looking for free hand outs instead of just going out and getting a job.
2019-07-03 11:17
before acting mental, why dont you try thinking about the situation more? Do you srsly want out country to continue like this without any proper changes? Our infrastructure is falling apart, education system is failing, healthcare system is also failing along with prices increasing, and our taxpayers are getting wasted on garbage instead of shit thats supposed to benefit us for the future. I want changes that’ll at least attempt to fix this country, not fucking continue leaving as it is and eventually lead it into a dystopia. Why am I saying all of this? Because I actually fucking give a shit about this country. I want it to be a country that’ll benefit us and future generations etc, not fucking continuing to leave it as it is and leave it as an eventual dystopian hell for us and them just because we stubbornly cant try to change anything for the better and having to roar at each other and not resolve anything.
2019-07-03 11:40
United States Trump2020KAG 
I must be part of the top 1 percent in this country. I live a good life with good job good pay nice house nice car full health. All this with college background or a high school diploma. Once again it’s all about what can the country give me. I want as much money back in my paychecks as possible. I couldn’t give a shit about the lazy fuck down the street who has no job.
2019-07-03 13:20
Once again it’s all about what can the country give me. exactly why I want you and your namesake as far away from legislation as possible, sound like thieves to me.
2019-07-03 22:12
United States Trump2020KAG 
i dont want shit from the country except the normal stuff they should be worrying about(military/police/boarder/economy etc etc .....i buy and pay for everything with my own money.....iv never once collected any type of benefits from the country....i pay my taxes every week out of every paycheck i made mistakes in what i wrote this morning to psyc (did it on phone while driving)
2019-07-03 22:18
no doubt, and when I say thieving, I mean legislation for profitability and repression (like banking de-regs and coal favorability over renewable by legislation, tax breaks for people not even paying taxes (cough trump) while going for mandatory max sentencing on drugs, sentencing doctors for doing their job because of abortions, protecting predatory loaning for students, for-profit charter schools )
2019-07-04 00:20
have you never ever in your whole life needed any help with anything? from family or friends? now imagine you didnt have those people to help you out. imagine you didnt have a social net to fall back on when you get beat down in life. and you didnt have any money. and your car just broke down. and you will get fired from work if you dont show up on time every day. thats what government benefits are for. to help people stay/get back on their feet, so they can contribute more to the economy than they would without benefits. if you dont need benefits yourself, that doesnt mean that you cannot profit from other people getting benefits. not having any welfare is just bad for an economy because you are taking more opportunities away from poor people than you are saving money. the cost of those missed opportunities is greater than the cost of a welfare system. this "every man for himself" attitude is less efficient than a society where people cooperate to help each other out. its one of the reasons the average standard of living in america is lower than in europe even though you have higher wages. you are too arrogant and selfcentered to behave in an efficient manner as a society. its only all about you. and everyone else can fucking die for all you care. its like you all collectively didnt have a father to teach you not to behave like immature shitheads. how can you have like 350 million people who all dont get the fucking basics of keynesian economics. thats impossible. not everyone in america is actually retarded. youre being taken advantage of. there are people who have been profiting massively from eroding the little bit of welfare state you had, while lowering their own taxes, and its actually costing the working man money. lots of money. trillions of dollars. and youre just too stupid to realize youre being played.
2019-07-05 11:33
United States Trump2020KAG 
TLDR But I read the first few sentences It’s understandable people needing help and assistance from time to time but that’s not what 80% of the people are anymore who use the system. It’s a career now. Life long thing living off the government. That’s what I hate and can’t stand. It’s no longer about I lost my job and need help with bills and food until I find work. It’s about living off the system for 10-20-30 years anymore. A lot of people dont work anymore ATALL and that’s not what the system is for.
2019-07-05 12:39
okay so instead of being against welfare why dont you advocate for a solution that does actually achieve the goal of getting people on their feet without wasting a lot of money. thats what i dont get about republicans. shouldnt you be the party of sensible government and economic policies?
2019-07-05 13:00
United States Trump2020KAG 
Well that’s a million dollar question my man. It’s easier being lazy and getting free everything compared to working for everything.
2019-07-05 13:04
i think you either misunderstood my question or you are dodging it
2019-07-05 13:04
The reality is under Sanders system the following would happen: - Health insurance costs which are effectively a private tax and give you comparatively bad healthcare get eliminated - Instead your tax (I believe income tax) would rise a bit (it would rise a lot, the more you can afford it aka the richer you are) but you would get better healthcare. Works in every developed country. Its not an extremist leftist position, its not outrageous, its not absurd, its not unrealistic, its not insane. It. Is. The. NORM.
2019-07-05 10:48
but its socialism
2019-07-05 11:28
I'm not trying to join this argument, but you need at least a 1 million dollars to join the top 5%.
2019-07-08 17:07
United States Trump2020KAG 
Shit I got that on me rn playa.
2019-07-08 17:35
United States PsychoLogical 
There really is no hope eh? and MSNBC pretty much proved they’re worse than CNN just by smearing and/or ignoring people like Tulsi, Yang, and Marianne. I actually sincerely hope for Trump2020 just to see if that can force MSNBC to actually rethink everything which I doubt. Oh and P.S, whens the anti-antifa bill coming?
2019-07-02 04:57
I agree with you on everything except for the antifa thing. I don't think they're nearly as dangerous as some right wing extremist groups.
2019-07-02 07:38
United States PsychoLogical 
I really dont see a difference between antifa and some extreme right groups. I see both sides as legal terrorist groups, an anti-mask law would solve everything for me. And we got two more debates coming up, one by CNN and the other by ABC. wonder how those two will turn out since I expect CNN to be just as bad and ABC being a bit more fair since ABC tends to be less biased than MSNBC and CNN.
2019-07-02 07:46
In my experience CNN tends to be pretty good when it comes to covering presidential elections, but maybe that's changed since the Trump feud.
2019-07-02 07:50
United States PsychoLogical 
CNN has always been biased in politics. Same goes for others like MSNBC and Fox.
2019-07-02 08:16
Yeah no shit, that's why I specified their coverage of presidential elections. When it comes to debates and live coverage on election day they're normally much better than the other two.
2019-07-02 08:19
United States PsychoLogical 
only one way to find out if thats still the case.
2019-07-02 08:22
yep we'll see
2019-07-02 08:24
United States Acehavok 
CNN sucks the cock of both parties at least MSNBC only sucks Dems and Fox only sucks Reps.
2019-07-02 07:51
United States PsychoLogical 
MSNBC is only interested in trying to getting Biden nominated and giving us Trump2020. Even Fox News is more fair than Make Shit N Be Cancer.
2019-07-02 08:14
CNN has its problems, but they're still better than Fox and MSNBC in my opinion.
2019-07-02 08:48
United States PsychoLogical 
from my POV I actually respect Fox News more than CNN and definitely more than MSNBC. As much as I dont like them, I still actually prefer Fox over CNN and MSNBC.
2019-07-02 08:50
I like Tucker Carlson, he seems really honest and is willing to go against the Republican establishment. I don't really enjoy watching the rest of Fox's programming.
2019-07-02 08:56
United States PsychoLogical 
yea Tucker is the only person at Fox thats actually worth watching and listening to.
2019-07-02 08:57
2019-07-02 12:31
you dont need to pay healthcare. if you crush those medicine-law corruption groups, and lower their prize to other countries, you will be easy to pay all-free healthcare to anyone in us with current healthcare fund.
2019-07-02 05:22
Why you Americans hate immigrants men)))
2019-07-02 08:29
United States PsychoLogical 
if legal then they’re welcome with open arms here. if not then we hate men)
2019-07-02 08:33
Someone needs to do the labour work and sell drugs men let em do it :D
2019-07-02 09:24
United States PsychoLogical 
no men(, no more drug smuggling and those jobs will be taken over by automation in the future men(
2019-07-02 09:26
Okay then men( but what about them latino grills :'(
2019-07-02 11:38
United States PsychoLogical 
They can stay men), Americans love them men).
2019-07-02 11:39
Germany Ofenmeister 
Free healthcare? Dont mind if I do!
2019-07-02 08:35
Crazy that so many other countries can afford a working healthcare-system, but US can't according to republicans. Same for free education / universities / colleges. How could you be against it? American people don't see, that they benefit from other peoples education and better health. Instead they are like 'I am not paying for that'. Why so shortsighted?
2019-07-02 08:38
In America the top 1% owns almost half the wealth in the country (not an exaggeration), the top 3 wealthiest men in America have more wealth than the bottom 50% of all Americans. We're not really good at taxing corporations or the wealthy, so the government doesn't have the money to fund all these programs.
2019-07-02 08:54
And thats not the case for most capitalist countries ? Thats some top tier BS that the government doesnt have the means to fund free health care programs
2019-07-02 08:58
US wealth inequality is one of the worst in the West. I don't know any large European countries that have this level of wealth inequality, if you know any tell me and provide a source.
2019-07-02 09:00
Do you know how Capitalism works ?
2019-07-02 09:01
Yes, capitalism comes in different forms, countries like Denmark are still fully capitalist societies as the means of productions or property aren't owned publicly. So achieving moderate levels of wealth inequality is possible within the framework of a capitalist society.
2019-07-02 09:05
Denmark isnt fully capitalist lmao.
2019-07-02 09:14
Denmark takes some ideas from socialism, but isn't socialist at all. Socialism requires the means of production to be owned by the workers or publicly owned in some way, and Denmark does not meet this base requirement. Do you get your information from Fox News or something? Even Denmark themselves have said they're a market economy.
2019-07-02 09:25
nice strawman
2019-07-02 10:35
0/8 "nice strawman" This what every tier 352 internet keyboard warrior says when they lost. Can you kindly point out where the straw man is? I'm hoping you're just baiting tbh.
2019-07-02 10:43
Germany Benjir_V1 
I dont think he was debating in the first place, just a baiter The wealth inequality is pretty bad and getting worse in Germany as well. The top 10% own about 65% of the wealth and the top 1% own about 33% of all wealth. Taxation was loosened for inheritance tax and there are problems with collecting business tax - only 66% of the possible are collected if I remember right.
2019-07-03 10:13
People act like Germany is one of the best countries in Europe, but it definitely has its own problems. Very low birth rate and a declining middle class. Your wealth inequality still isn't as bad as in the US.
2019-07-03 10:29
Germany Benjir_V1 
I personally still regard Germany as one if not the "best" country in Europe to live in, actually in the whole world to live in. But something has to be done so it stays that way. Birth rate is actually rising since a few years now, there are a lot of european countries that are off worse. Of course its still negative in total, like in most western countries. Its not as bad as the inequality of the US but the thing is that in the 60s the wealth (of course its West Germany Im talking about) was not shifting towards the top but down, equalizing the gap, since then it gradually worsened and since the 1980s the situation only worsened. The bottom 10% right now are 2% negative lol Of course - not comparable with the US. What should be done, in your opinion? Tax raises? System changes?
2019-07-03 11:03
In the US at least we need to campaign finance reform. No corporate donations or donations from PAC's, just donations from individuals, the maximum donation from one individual should be 5000 dollars. I think the government would start to support the people if this happened since you need support from the average person to be elected.
2019-07-03 16:13
Germany Benjir_V1 
Good idea, is that enough? That would be an incentive for politicians to make politics for the people, what do you think about political actions and policies, what else should be done? Should there even be more?
2019-07-03 18:42
No, I think things will naturally become more balanced from there. If politicians want money to run their campaigns, the best way would be to appease the common person.
2019-07-05 10:32
Germany Benjir_V1 
Really interesting point of view, thanks for the short interaction
2019-07-06 17:09
+1 You too man
2019-07-06 19:25
i never said denmark is socialist but i guess reading is hard
2019-07-04 00:58
There are three main economic systems in the world. If you said Denmark isn't fully capitalist, that means they'd have to be socialist, communist or some variation of those two. I think making a logical argument is difficult for you.
2019-07-04 04:07
Canada ProvexPyker 
Dudes just baiting men, all his short replies were just getting your reaction
2019-07-08 03:48
Yeah you're probably right.
2019-07-08 16:37
Don t be silly, be a smarty come and join AnCom party
2019-07-02 09:02
United States zoombaxd 
i call them demorats but yeah
2019-07-02 09:15
France 0racle 
Yang only >130 iq candidate
2019-07-02 09:31
United States PsychoLogical 
Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang are legit the only sane democrats out of all the current ones running. And they’re getting smeared in addition. Just sad.
2019-07-02 09:40
2019-07-03 03:47
The only thing that I dislike about Yang is that he is not good on climate change.
2019-07-05 10:50
Canada ProvexPyker 
Yang Gang Gang 😎😎😎
2019-07-08 03:49
Colombia HachitaVidal 
The nominee for Dems will be whoever can pander to most populations. EZ4TRUMP 2020
2019-07-03 00:06
unfortunately. I can only hope none of the establishment get nominated and that it’ll go towards a longshot.
2019-07-03 09:31
Colombia HachitaVidal 
lmao democrats = bought by establishment, that is why I like Trump more, he can't be bought
2019-07-03 18:15
Moldova Spudnik 
2019-07-03 11:10
You have a suicide and opioid epidemic?
2019-07-03 11:40
Yes suicides are on the rise and opioid abuse and overdoses are on the rise as well.
2019-07-03 16:14
Well that sucks
2019-07-03 16:14
yeah it does :(
2019-07-03 16:15
yes and legit no one is trying to do anything about it. An example is the state of New Hampshire where legit at least 10% of the population has tried fucking cocaine. (NH has a pop of at over 1.35 million)
2019-07-03 22:17
we are doing something at least, we found guilty some pharma execs for their incentives to push their drugs for basically any condition. So we acknowledge these shit-pill didnt grow out in the woods, somebody was bringing them in, and it is these rich fuckers at least in part.
2019-07-04 00:37
theres got to be some way we can at least try to curb it. From my POV we should decriminalize them along with other drugs, just so people wouldnt have to constantly fear of getting caught and basically ruining their life for eternally and plus the War On Drugs was a failed policy anyway.
2019-07-04 00:43
the opioids went crazy because they were decriminalized by doctors getting payouts by pharma execs for handing out scripts. people were killing themselves or at least getting hooked completely legal like. Maybe that is because they couldnt be an 'upright citizen' and smoke some weed, i dont know. Why would anybody take pills for the high, i dont know. But what I do know, is that it started with prescriptions, so a criminality argument here doesnt fit as well imo
2019-07-04 01:01
tbf I would still rather have opioids and other drugs decriminalized with maybe the exception of cocaine. And I guess its related to people deciding to put trust into those that gave them the drugs, in short terms: Naivety.
2019-07-04 01:08
im ok with decriminalizing, with reasonable restrictions on use (you still have to respect people around you and not be a danger to others). I'd rather decriminalize plants. I am completely ok with outlawing manufactured stuff and processed stuff. but at least we are acknowledging that these people did not just magically have opioids to abuse, and that it was a racket supplying it.
2019-07-04 01:31
I wonder who earn money from the opoid crisis you are talking about. And how a nationalized healthcare could fix that issue.
2019-07-03 13:22
free healthcare should be a thing all over the world imo
2019-07-03 16:15
Everyone should have a clean bed to sleep in, an education, and a stable income. Things aren't always what they should be though.
2019-07-03 16:23
i agree and im not delusional. i know we dont live in a perfect world... but did i say anything about that? thoose words came from ur keyboard not mine men - this is just stopid when we talk about human life. " we really can't afford to pay for illegal immigrants' healthcare. " alot muricans rly hate the free health care thing... until their insurance wont cover them cus it says they dont have to in the insurance papers...LUL
2019-07-03 16:32
I'm not trying to argue, I was just saying we don't live in a perfect world to add on to what you said.
2019-07-03 16:44
ah okay i see ;-) np its all good mens :-) - i rly hope ppl know this before reading ur comment tho lul xD
2019-07-03 16:47
Canada flame7 
I feel bad for you guys. what a shitshow... The only one I could support would be Andrew Yang, but I think he has too much faith in humanity thinking that an UBI would fix most of the problems of the population... Some ppl are just a mess no matter what.
2019-07-03 16:31
the UBI is meant to help people find some sort of way and help those that could really use the money for shit like food, being able to pay rent, or just anything that they need. It would especially help the Midwest and the South which both regions happen to be very poor. And Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are practically the only Dem hopes but instead the establishment would rather ignore them and basically give us Trump again.
2019-07-03 22:20
Canada flame7 
I get that, I've listened to Andrew for a couple of hours by now. What I mean is that people need a meaning in life, something that generates that feeling of fulfillment, Andrew seems to think that if people don't have to worry about putting food on the table, they'll be able to then look for that "something" that moves them forward. That being the overall benefit for your country for that investment. I disagree, I think there's many people that would just shoot up $2,000 usd of heroin more per month if you give them that money because they are lost and no hand out will fix that. I could very well just be a pessimist and be completely wrong about it, but I really doubt it.
2019-07-04 00:16
from my POV it would lead to more positives since a 1000$ USD a month could desperately help alot especially those in the South and the Midwest where both regions happen to be the poorest in the country. Yes there are concerns that people like drugheads would just burn it on more drugs but why focus on them? We should try focusing more on the positives and the people that could really use the money, not the negatives and the lazy rats.
2019-07-04 00:23
so what is really suggesting here? extending snap to single member households, removing or diminishing asset penalties towards eligibility, removing work conditions and removing any restrictions on how the welfare is used?
2019-07-04 00:57
At this point I think it's necessary, it's almost impossible to live on minimum wage and increasing the minimum wage will hurt small businesses. Of course some people won't use the money in a productive way, but people already do that with other social programs.
2019-07-12 05:52
I'm all into free healthcare, but immigration is fucked.
2019-07-03 16:34
+1 free healthcare with illigals comming is fucking stupid
2019-07-04 00:59
Those two go hand in hand with the Left. Free healthcare eliminates competition, which raises taxes on the middle class, which creates a leftest utopia of poop and drug needles in the streets similar to our West Coast. Don't take my word for it, just look at any news on Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento, San Francisco, PORTLAND and Seattle.
2019-07-12 05:58
Fight me I dare you. I double dare you bitch. This was made by Communist Gang 😎
2019-07-03 22:23
The only one of them that I can even stand to listen to for more than a millisecond is Tulsi Gabbard. But the dems have become the party of lunatics so they'll bury her.
2019-07-03 23:53
Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are pretty much the only hopes for this country but instead the establishment decides to ignore them and basically give us Trump2020. Guess we dont really have any hope do we?
2019-07-04 00:25
I like Trump
2019-07-04 00:56
Well I dont, never will. Would still rather have him than any of the establishment however.
2019-07-04 01:00
Its always pissed me off to see comments that say that Trump is not part of the establishment. Yes, Trump is not part of the political establishment, but he is and has always been part of the monetary establishment. The outcome is the exact same. Whether you vote for the politician (puppet that executes puppeteers wishes) or the puppeteer himself just because he isnt a politician (coz thats totally gonna solve the problem, amirite?), the lower and middle class will get fucked, raw and no rubber. Dont vote for either, vote for Sanders.
2019-07-05 10:55
I wont support another old man that also doesnt understand the consequences and issues of some of his policies like free college and 15$ minimum wage.
2019-07-05 13:09
The consequences of free college? You mean where the millionaires and billionaires will lose a much larger portion of their capital and income? You are likely more educated on this than me, so dont take it as a satirical comment.
2019-07-05 13:55
No. The reason Im against free college is the fact that only around 33% of americans actually fully graduate from college. And whats free higher education going to do? Its not going to solve the problems that are really hitting us like poverty and job loss. If free college was passed, It wouldnt change a thing, rather it would worsen things due to people just automatically going in regardless how they performed in HS. That’ll only lead a huge surge in dropouts due to a majority of people being heavily unprepared for college/university.
2019-07-05 14:11
1. What about the people that dont attend college because it would produce crippling debt so they just go into the work-life immediately? 2. That might at least help the anti-expert stance thats growing in america because more people would see how fucking difficult college is.
2019-07-05 20:36
I think there needs to be pressure to lower tuition. The government has to stop guaranteeing everyone a loan, then colleges will be forced to lower tuition.
2019-07-07 01:32
With Trump, you can't argue with lowest unemployment rates for minorities off all time, booming economy, reduced taxes which has resilted in more small business and the list goes on. He has kept more promises than almost any other President in U.S. history.
2019-07-12 06:06
despite that, I would actually still rather not have trump for another 4 years. Yes he kept more promises than any other president as of now but unfortunately he hasnt done anything about certain issues that are also important to americans as well like healthcare which was the main issue in the midterms and one of the main reasons why Trump lost the House.
2019-07-12 06:19
You think the debate reflects real decisions you're fucking delusional it's shepp like you that make America a backwards society
2019-07-05 10:51
You're delusional if you think it doesn't. I think if they're elected, most of these guys will actually try to decriminalize border crossings.
2019-07-07 01:22
unfortunately for them, none of the establishment will beat Trump, and I mean NO ONE. Trump currently has a 100% guaranteed win chance unless Dems somehow snap out of it and nominate a longshot candidate.
2019-07-07 01:24
I think they may have intentionally had Joe Biden lose that debate, and had Kamala Harris win. Kamala Harris is still an establishment candidate, but seems way less establishment than Joe Biden and will probably get the woman's vote. If she goes more centrist now to appease more conservative Democratic voters and Conservatives, then this can work out exceptionally well for the DNC. That's just a theory though, they probably didn't plan it out.
2019-07-07 01:30
they obviously dont want Joe Biden to win and its for the better anyway. But Kamala Harris?? Thats just legit an automatic L bro. And she’ll also never appeal to the moderates and conservatives.
2019-07-07 01:33
They're probably trying to get the women's vote and the black vote. She's the most likely to win out of all the establishment candidates in my opinion.
2019-07-07 01:35
it’d be the biggest mistake DNC will ever make.
2019-07-07 01:41
Yeah Trump will very likely win 2020 if they nominate Kamala Harris. But, like I said I think she has a chance of winning if she can get the women's vote and the black vote. If she goes more centrist on her politics, she can probably get the swing states too.
2019-07-07 01:43
the DNC needs to realize that the middle ground is important. Also she wont win the swing states if she doesnt talk about the problems they have which lead to those swing states voting Trump aka the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa which will also happen to be where the winner will be decided, which the main problem was job loss. The women’s and minority’s votes wouldnt even matter if you can’t win over the Rust Belt.
2019-07-07 01:47
I think the Democrats are playing the long game. The power of the white Republican vote wanes daily. It's just a matter of time before the Republican party fades into obscurity. They may not be super concerned about 2020.
2019-07-07 01:54
But they still need to somehow know that if they nominate an establishment dem, they’ll 100% lose. The states the Republicans will automatically win are obviously mainly small fries while only having Georgia and Texas being their main stakes. But they can still win over swing states like North Carolina, Florida, and the Rust Belt, all being very important as well.
2019-07-07 02:02
In a few years the Republicans will never win another presidential election again. Even in 2016 a lot of the swing states were won with just a few 1000 votes. Imagine if those states had a few more left leaning minorities.
2019-07-07 02:05
I still dont want to see another establishment dem winning again. To me it’ll lead to more chaos than good.
2019-07-07 02:08
Andrew Yang doesn't seem like the strongest debater despite his mic supposedly being muted. I don't think he can win the nomination even though I think he'd be the best president.
2019-07-07 03:01
well you dont need to be a good debater to win, what he lacks isnt something like that, he lacks media exposure. He can actually still win this if he continues to get exposure. He’ll be heading on The View to gain exposure and if he does well, his support can increase some more as well. He did say he’ll be in the race the whole time until the day’s come so he’s got plenty of time
2019-07-07 03:07
Yeah, but the debates seem to swing support a lot, even these early ones which barely anyone watches. I'm just hoping he does well in the second one.
2019-07-08 17:03
I think CNN will be a bit more fair since MSNBC already proved they’re the more biased and scummy.
2019-07-08 17:10
Yeah hopefully.
2019-07-08 17:10
Very high taxes on the rich and a military budget cut. Thats where.
2019-07-05 10:55
just disown the rich gg ez
2019-07-05 11:30
jesus christ the US is all kinds of fucked. suicide, homeless and opioid epidemics, what's next? get ur shit together my dudes
2019-07-05 18:28
ok mens working on it rn
2019-07-06 17:16
Everyone in America thinks they're gonna be rich, even 40 year olds in a dead end job. So no one wants to tax the rich.
2019-07-07 01:20
2019-07-07 03:09
Assuming you aren't fakeflagging, how would you know the mentality of the average American better than I do?
2019-07-08 02:18
Because your view is clearly based on your ideology , which is by far , the worst. Just because you hapen to be born and raised in U.S doesn't give you granted instant authority over everything remotely related to U.S or U.S Americans , specially if you're a leftist. But all logic aside , we can talk about this very specific situation , you claim that U.S Americans don't wanna tax the rich because they have hope that they will be rich in a few decades , i wonder if you're aware that rich people pay much more and higher taxes on U.S than in Scandinavia , Switzerland and South East Asia , all of which make the goods that your average citizen either directly imports or consumes after someone imported them for retail.
2019-07-08 02:27
Sweden has extremely high overall taxes on everyone, even if the gap between the rate at which the wealthy and poor pay taxes, everyone is still paying a lot. The thing is Sweden uses these taxes for social programs, which disproportionately benefit the poor. If you're seriously saying the Sweden is worse than the US for wealthy people, then I'm completely lost for words.
2019-07-08 02:55
Not really , the corporate tax rate on Sweden is much lower than in U.S , specially for small and medium business , the biggest and heaviest taxes in Sweden are made on the middle class. And no , actually Sweden doesn't use the money to finance its welfarism , which actually hurts the poor and the middle class , Sweden uses tax money to finance a small portion of all of this government assistencialism , most of it is financed through massive debt which is why such a tiny tiny country with not even 10 million citizens has around a trillion of external debt , they're running some of the most irresponsible and disgusting fiscal deficits in the world. Now how did you come to the conclusion that me by informing you that Sweden's wealthiest pay less taxes in Sweden than they would in U.S im saying that Sweden is worse for rich people is beyond me , but somehow im not surprised you're at a loss for words seeing as how terribly bad you've been "educated".
2019-07-08 04:13
"most of it is financed through massive debt which is why such a tiny tiny country with not even 10 million citizens has around a trillion of external debt" You're seriously gonna accuse me of ignorant, but then you say something like this. Sweden's national debt is 40% of GDP. Sweden has a progressive income tax and massive social benefits so everyone's needs are taken care of. And they have a value added tax which disproportionately affects wealthy people.
2019-07-08 16:47
hahahahahahahaha , you don't know the difference between external debt and public debt and you come out all smuggy like that??? no wonder why nobody takes leftists serious. Sweden's external debt is over 990 billion dollars , Sweden's GDP is slightly over 540 billion dollars , therefore , Sweden's external debt is around 180% over GDP. And no , the amount of jobs and foreign investment that Sweden has lost due to its TERRIBLE tax policy is unacceptable , why would you be for taxing the middle class though??? i thought you and your comrades only wanted to rob them evil rich capitalists oligarchs of their hard-earnt money , gross.
2019-07-08 17:14
Tbh I just thought you meant public debt because I'm not sure how external debt is even a good measurement to determine how well their country is doing. Why would external debt be a reflection on how irresponsibly the government is spending? That would be reflected in the country's public debt. Your argument makes no sense.
2019-07-08 17:23
Alright , i know you're not trolling , because it wouldn't make sense , i've seen your posts around here... "Why would external debt be a reflection on how irresponsibly the government is spending?" Little buddy....THIS is EXACTLY why everyone hates leftists , for you to have a reference i'll put it this way : you see how stupid and backwards ass conservatives look when they deny climate change? that is exactly how you're looking right now. When a country defaults on a debt , it gets marked as non-credible , which means that it can no longer take any loans from any private bank or foreign central bank , which means that it has to either cut its expenditure to finance it .... or finance it through money emission (paper money printing) , which causes extreme inflation and in the end...hyperinflation , none of these "wester" countries are sustainable , and they're all gonna default eventually , is just that they're all in it now. A huge external debt means that your federal government had to take too many loans because it's expenditure is too high , way higher than the tax revenue they collect , that is the literal representation of irresponsibility , do you still fail to understand this???
2019-07-08 17:30
Dude external debt can be citizens or businesses owing money to foreign entities. It's how much money the country as a whole owes to foreign lenders. Public debt is an actual reflection of the total debt the government owes internally and externally. I think you're confused.
2019-07-08 17:32
hahahahahahah , no , buddy that's external private debt , external debt stands for federal government debt to foreign entities , Argentina's external debt was slightly over 200B at the end of CFK's last term and after all the loans to private banks , central banks and IMF it's sitting at over 360B now. Public debt doesn't account for external debt , public debt is the national debt from the government to it's privates. KID , QUIT BEING SMUGGY , IM HELPING YOU HERE , you have no idea how stupid would you look in real life if you said this nonsense in real life to a serious decently educated individual , most of what you were told by your family and school teachers is bullshit.
2019-07-08 17:37 No, I'm trying to help you because you clearly don't understand.
2019-07-08 17:38
Did you read the link you just sent me??? when that article talks about a nation it is clearly referring to the federal government , not your average citizen , how do you not understand. What are you doing right now though??? are you seriously to imply that external debt is anything other than government taking debt??? are you fucking kidding me???
2019-07-08 17:41
"Sometimes referred to as foreign debt, external debt can be procured by corporations as well as governments" Dude come on, did you even read it?
2019-07-08 17:42
That could account for statized enterprised as well , but the external debt tracked by the CIA , IMF and World Bank is 100% government taken , nothing to do with the private sector.
2019-07-08 17:48
No, it's very clear, it accounts for all corporate and governmental debt to foreign lenders. Public debt refers to the government's internal and external debt and will actually tell you how much the government owes because it's the purpose of the statistic. The number you're referring to is Sweden's total external debt.
2019-07-08 17:50
No it doesn't , if you track the fiscal deficits from the federal government of the U.S you will see that the external debt grows at the exact rate of the deficit , if it accounted for private sector loans it would be the money that the government asks for + something else. Leftists talking about economics.....disgusting and cringe.
2019-07-08 18:09
Lmao. Please explain to me how in Sweden's case, the public debt is smaller than the external debt? The public debt is literally all the debt the government holds. You don't know what you're talking about.
2019-07-08 19:10
Because the public debt of a country only accounts for the debt taken from within a country , for example : the U.S Federal government can borrow money from the federal reserve , this wouldnt increase the external debt , but it would increase the public/national debt. When the U.S Federal government takes a trillion dollar worth of loans to a bunch of private banks and central banks outside of the U.S , this increases the external debt. You can't finance your deficit with emission , that would cause an hyperinflation. You have 0 clue what you're talking about.
2019-07-08 19:27 "and even other governments" Public debt is all debt incurred by the government, it doesn't matter if it's internal or external. You're literally not correct, these are just words with set definitions.
2019-07-08 19:31
Good , in that article you just sent me it says that some countries label it differently , because the national public debt is the exact same as the external debt , because the federal u.s american government accounts its government external debt as the whole , the private debt is the private debt. "The U.S. government's public debt is now more than $22 trillion — the highest it has ever been". Buddy , i'd suggest you to keep track of your government's fiscal deficit this whole year and then look at the 2020 update on the external debt , i can tell you'll be surprised.
2019-07-08 19:35
The topic was Sweden, not the US. So in that regard you're incorrect.
2019-07-08 19:53
And are you 100% possitive that Sweden labels it's external debt as Private+Public???? because the private debt in U.S is huge as well.....also if you wanted to talk about Sweden exclusively im about to absolutely decimate your arguments , stop being so stubborn baby.
2019-07-08 19:57
Lmao. If I was incorrect, why would the external debt debt be larger than the public debt. I've had to correct your on multiple things now, but you're going to "decimate my arguments" lmao.
2019-07-08 19:59
The external debt could easily be larger than the national debt if the fiscal deficit is too big and you have your expenditure nationalized in currency , if your expenditure is done with another currency then you could keep your national debt fairly low. You've been wrong every single reply and you came across like a spoiled teenager who thinks he's got it all figured , just letting you know.
2019-07-08 20:02
the collapse of american society into a dystopian hell cause opposite sides decide to destroy this country instead of attempting bipartisanship and try fixing and leading this country together. And alot of us are trying but the ignorant are louder and are oblivious to the fact that their ignorance, bigotry, and stubbornness will destroy this country.
2019-07-07 01:27
DaZeD | 
Slovakia S1W0 
The only democrat that I like is yang the other ones are disasters
2019-07-08 19:33
I appreciate that you like him, him and Tulsi Gabbard are pretty much the only hopes for us but instead the establishment would rather ignore and/or smear them and give us trump2020.
2019-07-09 02:00
United Kingdom SLurSs 
Yang is great, don't really like or care about the others
2019-07-09 02:07
2019-07-09 13:16
glad you think that way. I think UK could use someone like Yang as well :d :D
2019-07-09 13:19
werent you leftist???
2019-07-12 06:23
I'm a centrist, I have opinions from the left and right.
2019-07-13 15:37
Even though I'm not from the USA, I think Gabbard and Yang are the only rational choices, and they're getting smeared to fuck, which is interesting. In the last election, the whole Sanders debacle was a bit strange and seemed to expose the inherent corruption that grips politics in the USA. It appears that they've shifted up a gear this time around and don't actually care how obvious it is. Deny, deny, deny seems to be the motto.
2019-07-12 06:27
They’ll simply give us Trump2020 then. If neither Tulsi or Yang get nominated then its game over. Rather have trump than another establishment rat. They all bark but no bite.
2019-07-12 06:34
Very unfortunate. It's somewhat the same in Australia and New Zealand as far as our choices are made up of people who reside in ivory towers.
2019-07-12 09:44
If we actually somehow manage to nominate Yang or Tulsi (Yang has a better chance), perhaps from there we can truly prosper. If an establishment rat gets the nomination instead, then rip.
2019-07-12 09:51
who cares about communists from USA?
2019-07-12 13:59
Liazz | 
Europe nyoha 
democrats (socialists in reality) are an absolute joke this year. trump 2020
2019-07-13 15:39
There a few decent democrats, but yeah it's looking like Trump 2020.
2019-07-15 00:05
Liazz | 
Europe nyoha 
Yang is the only one who sounds reasonable and actually offers solutions to problems. Sadly they completely shut him out during the debates. If not Yang, then I dont see anyone who could beat trump, and if somehow any of them does, that would be really disappointing for your country.
2019-07-15 01:38
Yeah, but it won't happen, I think Trump will win if any establishment Democrats get elected.
2019-07-15 01:47
United States Nohj_ 
so bullshit and unfair the way they treated yang man
2019-07-16 11:41
if Yang or Tulsi dont win, its over. Trump2020 it is. Yang is basically the Dems’ strongest candidate but yet would rather reject him and pick an establishment rat that’ll basically cost them 2020.
2019-07-16 11:46
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