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worst top 5 ever?
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
remember top 5 teams in 2017?? 2016?? 2015??? 2014?? CSGO is so fun to watch before this top 5 now have all boring teams... just 2 teams in top10 exciting and fun watching play... FURIA and mouz Liquid unbeatible because they abusing sg and aug and cheats so no competition
2019-07-09 12:33
Hahahahaha, imagine being as delusional as typical Brazilian 🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎
2019-07-09 12:35
He's a fakeflagger
2019-07-09 19:07
#56
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Brazil sinisterkid 
he'd act dumb to brazilians anyways,it doesn't matter if he's fakeflagging or not lol
2019-07-09 19:16
#154
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Brazil PQD28 
He's a very known fakeflagger, 70 IQ spotted.
2019-07-11 05:22
cry cuz no more relevant brazillian team ?
2019-07-09 12:36
#10
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
vitality win cologne?
2019-07-09 17:57
at least we went through brackets hahahaha
2019-07-09 18:02
#19
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
carry by fat cheater no fat cheater then vitality = top500 KKKK
2019-07-09 18:10
#25
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
Cry is free
2019-07-09 18:16
#39
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
lithuania go to major? 😂
2019-07-09 19:00
#40
nEGRo | 
Lithuania inchis 
does brazil? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
2019-07-09 19:03
#43
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
2019-07-09 19:05
#67
nEGRo | 
Lithuania inchis 
mibr out in groups, same with furia if they qualify. your point? :D
2019-07-09 19:36
#83
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
but this is the facts brasil in major lithuania 😂😂😂😂😂
2019-07-09 19:48
#89
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
Why so salty br ? You finally realized your country has no chance to do anything now since cold benched himself ? LUL
2019-07-09 19:50
#92
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
hltv.org/forums/threads/2087994/cold-wil.. cold leave is fake topic no chance? FURIA? MIBR? ok if he do leave then still more major then kennyS 😂
2019-07-09 20:03
#95
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
Did I say he was bad ? I'm just saying without coldzera your teams become weak af
2019-07-09 20:04
#98
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
???? FURIA weak team? u just hating Brasil i know
2019-07-09 20:09
Because they surprised 2 3 teams ? What are they doing now ?
2019-07-09 20:18
#105
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
practice for major qualify before they almost make top16 they improve now
2019-07-09 20:21
0/8
2019-07-10 00:03
#125
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
scream where? ex6tens where? tabsen how many major win? 😂
2019-07-10 01:18
You are the worst troll ive ever seen. Stop it already.
2019-07-10 10:41
#148
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Brazil kaiknux 
i kinda laughed when he mentioned tabsen.
2019-07-11 00:53
population of Lithuania: 2,8 million population of brazil: 209.3 million amount of good brazillian players: 3- Coldzera who is leaving MiBR cuz they are so shit, kscerato and yurriuh. amount of good Lithuanian players: 1- EsprianTo. If u times Lithuania by 3, to get 3 good players their population becomes 8.4 million. 209.3 divided by 8.4 = 24.9/ So people from Lithuania at 24.9 times better at csgo then Brazilians. GG
2019-07-09 20:03
that is some retarded-ass logic but yea, fuck Brazil fangays
2019-07-09 20:07
#112
nEGRo | 
Lithuania inchis 
not really, let's hope that CR4ZY or HR qualifies for the major because if they do Lithuania will have more players per capita than Brazil :D
2019-07-09 20:56
in terms of what?
2019-07-10 00:00
#97
Candy | 
Finland Kiekara 
LUL
2019-07-09 20:08
#100
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Estonia Nap0le0n 
Brilliant
2019-07-09 20:11
hahaha indeed
2019-07-09 20:24
#109
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
KKKK UK peoples very dumb and funny fer FalleN arT VINI vsm boltz HEN1 trk kNg not good? 😂 ok u use formula for UK CS how much good player in UK: 0 😂😂😂😂😂😂
2019-07-09 20:40
smooya is good, alex in vitality, which is better than any Brazilian team rn, also you called Zywoo a cheater, yet call vsm, a man who is (vac?) banned from majors good. Nice. Also Fer and Fallen are so bad now, i rlly dont understand how u think they are good, and HEN1 is very average. VINI is a shit player, always has been, arT is very inconsistent, but kNg is a good player true
2019-07-09 20:51
#113
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
smooya what team now?? 😂😂 ALEX GOOD? good = get carry by cheater 😂😂😂 yes fer = shit 1.10 last 3 month 😂 hltv.org/stats/players/events/8564/fer?m..
2019-07-09 21:04
#134
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
Cry is free but hes right there
2019-07-10 07:56
#75
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North America Techno_Lover 
cry is free
2019-07-09 19:44
+1
2019-07-09 19:45
#30
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I love when people act like 2nd place is BAD. Like wtf is that. Heard that same shit about liquid and all the 2nd places they got.
2019-07-09 18:37
#35
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Japan Unagi 
some people were discrediting liquid for the grand slam win this type of thing should not be a surprise to people
2019-07-09 18:43
#38
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United States Trump2020KAG 
A lot of people hate liquid because it’s a NA team and will never give them credit. Even if they win the major. But it’s all good EU kids for ya.
2019-07-09 18:47
Its a netherland team.
2019-07-09 19:15
#57
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United States Trump2020KAG 
This bait is old.
2019-07-09 19:18
A truth is not a bait.
2019-07-09 19:19
It's a Dutch org, with an American team. However, aXiomatic gaming, an entertainment and sports management company, bought the controlling interest from Team Liquid. So it's an American Team, under a Dutch org, which is owned by an American investment group (while based in both countries, and keeping it's original co-CEO's) c:
2019-07-11 14:04
It's a dutch team, but an american roster. You don't say "Patriots are not a Boston team because its players are not from Boston" do you?
2019-07-11 15:09
No? Of course you wouldn't, but that's hardly relevant. Team Liquid is a multi national org. Their CS and LoL teams are both based in the US. Their teams both participate in NA leagues. So Dutch/International org, with an American team fielding an American lineup.
2019-07-11 15:30
PSG is also a multi national org, with multi national owners and multi national players. Yet we refer to it as a french team.
2019-07-11 15:31
But where is the team based? Edit: It's based in France, so they play in French and European leagues. Team Liquid's csgo team is based in America, thus they play in NA leagues, along with being called an American team.
2019-07-11 15:41
I don't like liquid cuz stew, twistzz and elige are so toxic and cocky.
2019-07-09 20:17
#108
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Well liking 2 out of 5 is that not bad lol
2019-07-09 20:40
#131
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Japan Unagi 
it's mostly just stewie influencing them elige toxic?
2019-07-10 07:39
Elige is mostly cocky but can be toxic like the way he was towards s1
2019-07-10 23:06
#151
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Japan Unagi 
did you forget who s1mple is as a person? lol back when he was EliGE's teammate in 2016, there's a very good reason why everyone on that team except Hiko hated him
2019-07-11 03:06
I don't care what you think, that's my personal view of the matter.
2019-07-11 13:52
When has Twistzz acted cocky? Dude is humble in all his interviews and a rather nice guy.
2019-07-11 06:53
#110
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Israel Ystyg 
he is obviously baiting mate
2019-07-09 20:41
#120
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Europe andyy_ 
+1
2019-07-09 23:49
#155
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Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging... Stop being stupid.
2019-07-11 05:23
Wuuut, this is like 2015 again, like 6 teams could win any tournament, CS is finally back after three years of shit.
2019-07-09 12:39
#6
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Germany zeolikk 
+1111
2019-07-09 12:43
+1
2019-07-09 17:58
#21
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France LanaRhoades 
+111111
2019-07-09 18:12
#31
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United States Trump2020KAG 
+1111
2019-07-09 18:37
#44
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United States BubbleFlames 
+2
2019-07-09 19:07
#52
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Spain akproxx 
+11111111111111111
2019-07-09 19:13
#69
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United States Azuhh 
+11111
2019-07-09 19:42
#81
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North America Techno_Lover 
that was 2016 but nice try.
2019-07-09 19:47
More like 1 team was good for 2 weeks then they shit the bed again
2019-07-09 20:11
#116
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North America Techno_Lover 
during the 2nd half of the year, a different team was winning every major event. Its not an opinion of who's "shit", its a fact.
2019-07-09 22:22
True, the same can be said about late 2016, although back then I felt like everybody was underperforming, and that's why it was close. Now it feels like there are a lot of teams who are super good, just like in 2015. This is of course very subjective.
2019-07-10 04:22
really? i see more mistakes made by teams right now than back then
2019-07-10 04:31
Yes, that's how I feel. Again, very subjective, you can't really argue for either side without some very in-dept analysis that I'm not really up for.
2019-07-10 08:18
different year different metas
2019-07-10 10:25
Yet only 4 teams won anything important Fnatic Tsm Navi Envy
2019-07-09 20:11
#117
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North America Techno_Lover 
And with this post, I agree. The other thing is that maybe 2 or 3 of these 4 teams were actually at a level to win a given tournament at any time. (E.G. despite those 4 teams looking great during the year, the one 2 real contenders for Cologne 2015 were Fnatic and EnvyUs)
2019-07-09 22:25
#118
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North America Techno_Lover 
And if we compare to now, there is no way like 5 different teams can win a tournament. Of the top 5, only Liquid and Vitality look like tournament winners. Astralis and NRG are just teams taking up the semi final slots, NRG moreso than Astralis, but even they don't look like they can just win a tournament at any given time. So no, its not as competitive as #3 thinks.
2019-07-09 22:29
Vitality, Liquid, Astralis, Ence, NaVi. Mousesports are also looking great, as are NRG.
2019-07-10 04:19
#140
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North America Techno_Lover 
But my point wasn't about teams that look good, I'm talking about teams that look like they can win top-tier tournaments.
2019-07-10 10:46
To clarify: Vitality, Liquid, Astralis, Ence, NaVI are teams that look like they can win top-tier tournaments. Mousesports, NRG are teams that look like they are on their way to becoming such teams.
2019-07-10 21:30
#147
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North America Techno_Lover 
I don't quite agree but its fine, Each to his own.
2019-07-11 00:51
VP won 3 S-tier tournaments that year and they had a lot of top-4 finishes, including both majors. You're right, it was 5, not 6.
2019-07-10 04:18
#121
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Europe andyy_ 
+1111
2019-07-09 23:49
+111111
2019-07-11 06:54
#4
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Slovakia ypsylonnn 
5iq back at it ye 1team scene is great and definitely much better than top5 that we have now
2019-07-09 12:41
#156
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Yes, 5 iq back again from people who keep falling for bait. He's fakeflagging.
2019-07-11 05:23
#5
GuardiaN | 
Sweden F03BIA 
Im just sitting here being salty over guardian not being the best awper in the world anymore.. Also, i would concider the scene to be interesting right now, not knowing which teams will reach the finals is good for cs, not to mention other games since salty kids like you leave..
2019-07-09 12:42
#7
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Lithuania Radianas 
''cheats'' ye
2019-07-09 12:43
#8
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Germany zeolikk 
You're only mad because Brazil CS is dogshit axaxaxax
2019-07-09 12:43
+1 right where it belongs xaxaxaxa
2019-07-09 17:59
#14
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
u talk but 0 major
2019-07-09 18:02
stfu fakeflagger
2019-07-09 18:04
#18
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
dont understand this words
2019-07-09 18:08
just like you is this your 20th alt?
2019-07-09 18:13
im not fakeflagging nt turk
2019-07-09 18:14
#157
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging... Sad to see a german falling for a low quality bait just like this one.
2019-07-11 05:24
Well the whole hltv community consists of baiters trolls etc so you can never be sure who you're talking to xD wouldnt blame him
2019-07-11 11:05
#201
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Germany zeolikk 
+1
2019-07-11 11:36
#9
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United States julian_stout 
Personally I think this is the best its been in a while, yes liquid is dominant but they aren't unbeatable, and the top 7 or 8 in the world all play each other so close you get exciting matches the whole bracket
2019-07-09 12:44
#12
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Canada herocoolzzz 
mad?
2019-07-09 17:58
#84
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North America Techno_Lover 
yes xd
2019-07-09 19:48
#158
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging.
2019-07-11 05:24
Now cs is not so boring for me . I think there are 5 teams that can win any tournament now - Liquid , Navi , Astralis, Vitality , Ence/Mouz so next major will be the best , waiting for it so much ...
2019-07-09 18:05
Liquid is the new Astralis, I don't think it's that close
2019-07-09 18:12
Nope i dont think so , Astralis were better , just one example Astralis (at their best form ) had not clise plays like liquid ( navi at group stage , mvp also close one ) so i dont agree with you
2019-07-09 21:59
#23
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Lithuania KoksSkirtumas 
TOP3 is correct.
2019-07-09 18:14
#27
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Poland Hell2k 
imagine old matches vp vs sk cs so boring right now
2019-07-09 18:32
BR SK was boring as fuck to watch
2019-07-09 18:40
We need to give the top 10 some more time to form because of the emergence of top teams and roster changes. After the major, the top 10 would be more accurate. I think Top 5 after Major will be. Liquid, Vitality, NaVi, FaZe/Astralis (If FaZe get cold or Astralis regains form) and Ence
2019-07-09 18:32
#29
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United States Schafer 
Liquid cheats.................................................... really are you an idiot?
2019-07-09 18:36
#159
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Really are you an idiot? To fall for a low quality bait from a known fakeflagger?
2019-07-11 05:25
#209
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United States Schafer 
omfg im so sorry man :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
2019-07-11 17:55
#33
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Macedonia trashbait 
> Complain about TL using aug and SG > Fan of Furia > Hmmm
2019-07-09 18:41
#85
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North America Techno_Lover 
lmao
2019-07-09 19:49
#160
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's obviously fakeflagging... Stop being idiot.
2019-07-11 05:25
#34
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Cs is the best rn. Sure liquid is winning but they are BEATING teams. Astralis Dominated teams. Liquid Vit Astralis Ence could all win any event they attended. Plus NRG has new igl and has been really good North is looking good now G2 made a finals Mouz is still fresh and looked good on lan
2019-07-09 18:41
#46
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United States BubbleFlames 
North Top 1! Ye Ye Ye! Ez Major! Ye Ye Ye!
2019-07-09 19:07
#48
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United States Trump2020KAG 
They looked good. Beat liquid in a BO1
2019-07-09 19:09
#60
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Russia LegendOrrin 
but lost to mibr in bo3 lul
2019-07-09 19:23
#62
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Cool.
2019-07-09 19:26
+1. This is pretty good CS being played.
2019-07-09 19:13
we have like 12 good teams lol
2019-07-09 18:44
stop crying
2019-07-09 19:04
#42
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United States k3ar 
3/8
2019-07-09 19:05
Furia by far the most trash team to watch > most exciting typical bra71L
2019-07-09 19:07
#162
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's clearly fakeflagging, why all kids from HLTV have like 70 IQ?
2019-07-11 05:26
#49
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France FanchD 
Rofl there is like 6-7 teams that can win tournaments rn, CS is finally good again after 2-3 years of being boring af
2019-07-09 19:10
+1. Exactly.
2019-07-09 19:12
Terrible post. 1. Aug has been nerfed so not a valid argument. 2. Liquid isn't dominating anybody. All their matches are close. 3. This is the best overall CS played since the inception of CS:GO. Perhaps only the speed of CS 1.6 can compare. The teams are pretty even overall. Everyone is much more serious. Fragging ability is as important as ever, but also extensive knowledge of current meta, and mid-round adjustments. The quality in the top 10-15 teams is quite good now, unlike previous years when the top 3 or 4 teams were good and then everyone else was mediocre.
2019-07-09 19:12
#61
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
i no understand this words but Liquid is bad for cs and all peoples know they cheats
2019-07-09 19:25
LOLOLOL! Liquid is Great for CS. Why? Because matches are close. Cheats? Really? Please provide solid evidence before leveling shitty charges like this. Rumors like this is what destroys games. Don't be a fucking idiot! Just because your favorite pet team isn't winning is no reason to lie about shit in the hope that it sticks. You should be banned .
2019-07-09 19:42
#71
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
twists #1 cheater... everyone knowing this...
2019-07-09 19:43
"everyone" = you.
2019-07-09 19:44
#163
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's a known fakeflagger, please stop showing your low IQ writing all this to a non-brazilian fakeflagger.
2019-07-11 05:27
I think the level of cs this year is actually lower than what Astralis did last year, so is not the best, Is the best because the game evolves, but people would say the same in 2015 comparing it to the previous years.
2019-07-10 23:14
I'd comment three things: 1. This year and last are far better than past years. The talent is better concentrated, the strats are much more complex, and players take the game more seriously and operate better on comms. 2. The game has progressed such that any team in the top 3-5 now would have easily beaten Fnatic or SK from 2-4 years ago, when many strategies were based on getting an opening pick by the awper or rover and then overwhelming through attrition the side of the maps weakened. Some of that remains, but much better communication and well-thought-out strategies are more important. Astralis and Liquid are good examples of the success of this method. 3. I think Astralis has slid a little, but I also think that the competition has worked very hard to elevate their game play, so it's a bit of both.
2019-07-11 02:58
stopped reading at furia fun to watch
2019-07-09 19:16
#59
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
The problem is that there is no steady top teams. all can be very good, and all can suck out of the blue. no stability.
2019-07-09 19:22
there's like 10 teams that can be top 5 teams Liquid Vitality ENCE NRG Na'Vi Mouz Renegades Astralis Furia (we'll have to see more from them however, I haven't seen much from them that says they can be a top 5 team) FaZe (if they get their shit sorted) Liquid might be winning all of their BO3/BO5 series but they're not blowouts, most of them are pretty close which allows for competitive matches despite Liquid's dominance Also "Liquid unbeatible because they abusing sg and aug" "fan of Furia". Furia uses the SG & AUG more than Liquid.
2019-07-09 19:30
#65
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
renegade can top 5? FURIA not? KKKKKK hltv.org/matches/2334603/furia-vs-renega.. Liquid abusing sg and aug and cheating
2019-07-09 19:35
Aug has been nerfed. Have you not been paying attention?
2019-07-09 19:42
Renegades has been in poor form recently due to the VISA issues, their major form was good enough to be a top 5 team Renegades have made top 8 at the major, what has Furia done? hltv.org/events/3883/iem-katowice-2019 Weird I can't find them there, why is that? Furia won opening (first) matches vs teams like Vitality, Astralis, etc due to them not knowing how to counter Furia's playstyle, we've seen it tons of times, I'll give you a few examples: ENCE vs Liquid at IEM Katowice, ENCE won, the second time they faced, Liquid won Liquid vs Vitality at CS Summit, Vitality won, the second time they faced, Liquid won Vitality vs Furia at DH Dallas, Furia won, the second time they faced, Vitality won Need more? I can get you more if you need it, I can tell you're not that smart & need lots of proof in order to understand something so by all means if you need more I can get you more. Liquid's not cheating, nor are they abusing anything, if you actually watch the team you talk about you'll see that majority of the time you'll see AKs in the hands of most of them, more than can be said about Furia.
2019-07-09 19:51
He knows, he's just trying to start shit. he's an asshole.
2019-07-09 19:45
Yea he most definitely is Delusional Asshole Braindead moron All 3 actually
2019-07-09 19:49
#80
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
to much words i not understanding u but renegade is no top 5 and lucky team
2019-07-09 19:46
TLDR: You're a braindead moron, Furia is most likely a fluke team, will have to see more, Renegades has the potential to be a top 5 if they find their major form again. You're also a hypocrite hltv.org/events/3883/iem-katowice-2019 Where's Furia here?
2019-07-09 19:52
#90
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
??? FURIA = new team and young player so many potentials.. u only say because u hate Brasil renegade have so many lan to proving they top 5 but they results is not even top 10 hltv.org/results?team=6211 so when renegade find they rhythm? we wait 5 month more? 😂
2019-07-09 19:58
#73 I've got no problem with Brazil, I've got no problem with Furia, I actually like Furia, they have potential but again I need to see more from them.
2019-07-09 20:02
#102
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
how much more lan does renegade needs to show "potential to be a top 5?"
2019-07-09 20:14
they need to show that they can return to their major form
2019-07-09 23:48
#124
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
but they play 6 lan after major..and dont play good so how much more lan they play before they find major form?? we wait 5 month more? 😂😂😂
2019-07-10 01:17
#212
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Poland Berbe123 
They played with smooya because of their visa problew?
2019-07-12 11:27
#164
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's a know fakeflagger, stop being stupid.
2019-07-11 05:28
#64
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Brazil VamosCriolo 
renegade can top 5? FURIA not? KKKKKK hltv.org/matches/2334603/furia-vs-renega.. Liquid abusing sg and aug and cheating
2019-07-09 19:34
is he fakeflaggin' or what ?
2019-07-09 19:35
He's an idiot. Not just that, out of nowhere he says "everyone knows Liquid is cheating". He should be banned.
2019-07-09 19:43
true
2019-07-09 19:46
#165
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Yes, he's fakeflagging. Jezz, finally some smart american.
2019-07-11 05:28
#72
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North America Techno_Lover 
flair checks out
2019-07-09 19:43
#166
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging. It's really nice, how you think that you're smart, but fall for a low quality bait like this one. Flag checks out.
2019-07-11 05:30
#210
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North America Techno_Lover 
Judging by all the replies you're making, its clear you are mad af. The irony, its you who's trying to sound smart. Also, well don't replying to a 2 day old comment, literally no one cares about this thread except for you, mad favela.
2019-07-12 10:48
i.imgur.com/Cpo3mRm.png he's OP's alt and wants to bump this thread using angry replies in order to avoid suspicion
2019-07-12 10:52
#213
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Brazil PQD28 
Yea, you're right! I was mad. Because i was banned some days ago for typing "+1", and some idiot fakeflaggers like this one, never get banned. Also, the another reason because i was mad (but laughing sometimes too, tbh) it's because too many 70 IQ guys (just like you) made comments like "flag checks out", "brazilian brain", etc, calling an entire country idiot just because of some stupid thread made by a non-brazilian LMAO. And you calling me a "mad favela" just shows that your IQ is lower than i expected, when just 6% of the brazilian population live in Favelas. Btw, ez report.
2019-07-12 17:44
#82
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Israel QtaP 
you are right top 5 worst but i dont think top 10 have nrg navi faze is really fun to watch. you right about top 5 ence\liquid\vitality
2019-07-09 19:47
#87
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United States No0bZ57 
0/8
2019-07-09 19:50
#172
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Yea, because he's fakeflagging.
2019-07-11 05:36
#94
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Liquid - rly energetic and fast while keeping smart strats - did you see the stewie jump on dust2? Vitality - insane individual skill, ZywOo rly fun to watch atm Astralis - galaxy brain team ENCE - ez NRG - yeah fair enough they are rly boring to watch
2019-07-09 20:04
CS is great right now Even though Cologne final wasn't competitive enough, it's still a good time
2019-07-09 20:25
#114
HUNDEN | 
Sweden shakti 
Heroic will be top 5 soon . . .
2019-07-09 21:50
Nt favela
2019-07-10 04:21
#167
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging.
2019-07-11 05:31
#132
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United States Deso1ation 
Honestly even though this thread was made by a brazillian idiot, I agree. 2017 ans 2016 and 215 and 2014 all had amazing top 5's. I feel like the thing that has changed im recent years is that there are more teams establishing eras/dominance. In 2018 Astralis won everything and the top 5 was not close at all. This year is shaping up to be the same with LULquid not choking tournaments. People may say that when fnatic reigned as #1 there was a similar stituarion, but that aint true. There was NaVi , Envy, LDLC, NiP, VP, and TSM and later LG all contending for trophys at the time.
2019-07-10 07:46
reported for insulting brazilians
2019-07-10 07:58
#141
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United States Deso1ation 
Nt 0/8 bait
2019-07-10 17:31
Idk what happened the start of 2018, but somebody hit a reset button. I would guess it was the "lets not do roster moves and stick together" mentality that is starting to change now. You can't keep a high level for too long with the same squad, even if you are top5 team, and improving gets harder as the months go. Ence is suffering from that problem now, navi already did, vitality will start soon. I think astralis can still bounce back as the core already did that multiple times.
2019-07-10 23:19
#152
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United States Deso1ation 
I think it more that there are higher stakes now in CSGO, thus as soon as problems begin, instead of trying to resolve the issues within the squad they split up. For example, look at Coldzera, instead of sticking with the org, and trying to make a decent rage in roles and system, he is quitting. Another example would be FaZe. i really believe that if they took a break from events they could have back in world beating for with karrigan. It really sucks, because it removes a lot of the competition and consistency in the game. Back when teams did not change rosters every 4 events, there were a lot of great matches and stuff because team knew each other well. Nowadays, team just get eliminated because some new roster beats them. Furthermore, they can’t prepare vs a new roster due to lack of games they played.
2019-07-11 05:10
Yeah, but that is fine when everybody is sticking together (as, all teams), but you can't just keep "we are improving as a team" for so long, and that is what i'm thinking happened last year. For coldzera, he is right, the team is not going to improve anymore, that roster core is having problems for more than year. He staying won't change anything. And that is exactly what i'm talking about, there is no sticking together to fix it, and we just see the level of cs going down as washed up cores keep going thinking that something is going to change.
2019-07-11 05:20
#185
FugLy | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Level of CS going down? You're delusional.
2019-07-11 06:58
For teams, yes.
2019-07-11 07:04
#188
FugLy | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
In what ways? Players are more skilled, theres more strategy, mid-rounding, better utility usage, higher pay and prize pools and therefore more incentive and bigger player pools. Everything about the game has gotten better skillwise.
2019-07-11 07:12
Read my post again. Seeing good cores and players sticking together to a shit team is one way, where we could see 2 or 3 teams from the same region being better by having those players. The teams are overall worse this days player by player if compared to previous years. Some teams are not even looking better strat wise.
2019-07-11 07:19
#198
FugLy | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
I already read your posts that's why I commented, dont need to do it again. Yes if the best players in the region split up it would create more "good" teams but it would lessen the chances that one of those teams would be a dominant team. "The teams are overall worse this days player by player" Lmao this is a ridiculous claim. Astralis is a modern team and they are the best roster ever created, liquid the same and are the most skilled. Good cores stick together because theres no one better than them. Take MiBR for example, even though they heavily dropped off there were still no players in BR that could replace them until Furia came along. You cant just remove players without having a proper solution, especially when many of these rosters have found success in the past, its natural to attempt to replicate your successes. MiBR overall is a better team than they were in 2016/17 it's just that being slightly better than a version of yourself 2 years ago isnt enough to be a top team today. Other teams such as Liquid, Astralis, and Vitality have made leaps and bounds in their innovation, teamwork, and structure. "Some teams arent even looking better stratwise" What even is your point? Obviously not EVERY team kept up with the meta. But every team that did looks way better than the teams that did in 2016. That's just how it works. Theres more available knowledge , more repetition, more drive, and just way more detail overall. Mid-rounding as spunj has said many times was barely a thing when he played, it was completely execution based. Now there's way more rotations, fakes, pauses, and layers in general to teams approach.
2019-07-11 07:32
#187
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United States Deso1ation 
The level of CS has not been going down, but it certainly could be higher in my opinion.
2019-07-11 07:09
#189
FugLy | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
I could say that about anything. Yes if everything went perfect it could be higher.
2019-07-11 07:10
#192
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United States Deso1ation 
I feel like if more teams stayed together instead of splitting, the scene could be better off, for example, if MIBR never took on Stew and Tarik, I believe that the core could have comeback. If C9 did not change rosters every week, I believe the flusha roster could have gone places. If FaZe did not change out karrigan, and instead took a break for a month to develop strats, I believe they could be a number one team.
2019-07-11 07:16
#197
FugLy | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Sure but theres ways gonna be bad moves. What if Astralis never got Magisk? Cold initially when he was picked up was a no-name. MiBR taking on stew lead him to Liquid, karrigans journey lead him to mouz who could be worldbeaters. Sure c9 flusha could have gone places but would the scene really be that much different? Still another fringe top 10 team. Yes teams need to give the projects time but when it's not working it's not working, simple as that.
2019-07-11 07:19
#190
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United States Deso1ation 
The core did have issues but I think the teams issues laid mostly with TACO and felps. If they were to recruit HEN1 instead of felps and LUCas instead of TACO, I think they could be a top 3 team. HEN1 would bring some good fragging and are the role of awning of FalleN so he could IGL better. I can also see LUCAS1, since he plays the same roles as TACO to be better with he roster. Furthermore, he also has so much chemistry with HEN1.
2019-07-11 07:13
#168
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's fakeflagging, stop being stupid.
2019-07-11 05:32
NT Third World
2019-07-10 07:53
#171
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's a known fakeflagger, nt 70 IQ.
2019-07-11 05:35
Flag checks out
2019-07-10 23:20
#169
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
He's a known fakeflagging, this is just a low quality bait and you don't realized it. Flag checks out.
2019-07-11 05:33
i realized it xdd,there's even a post talking about it. flag checks out.
2019-07-11 05:53
#176
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
"I realized it" 2 comments above: "flag checks out" LMAO. Just admit that you're such a dumb kid.
2019-07-11 06:06
0 iq
2019-07-11 06:23
i think we've just found the identity of OP
2019-07-11 06:51
#193
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United States zoombaxd 
his other alt lol
2019-07-11 07:18
#196
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United States zoombaxd 
yea we found out like a couple weeks ago his other alt
2019-07-11 07:19
#161
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
I'm surprised by the fact that this shitpost gets over 100 replies It's fun to read some of the comments tho.
2019-07-11 05:25
#170
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Not funny, because some stupid people (most americans) fall for the bait, and it's pretty annoying to see comments like "flag checks out" from some stupid 70 IQ kids.
2019-07-11 05:35
take a deep breath bro, i've already seen your name like 20 times in this thread
2019-07-11 05:39
#208
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
flag checks out
2019-07-11 16:28
#174
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United States traviticus 
VamosCriolo thread 0/8 b8
2019-07-11 05:47
0/8 xd
2019-07-11 06:31
#179
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I click thread, I see VamosCriolo, I laugh watching idiots get baited
2019-07-11 06:34
i think i just found out VamosCriolo's real identity
2019-07-11 06:52
#181
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United States arandomguy 
BR scene in 2k19 LOL
2019-07-11 06:51
#191
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United States zoombaxd 
when will hltv ban this fake flagger alt piece of shit? seriously dude
2019-07-11 07:15
#199
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
2013 VeryGames NiP - Gold time
2019-07-11 07:58
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