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zywoo vs s1mple
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Brazil pokachuja 
2019-07-12 14:09
#1
Boo | 
France mbl4 
3 MVPs v 1 MVP ZywOo is ahead in the HLTV top 20 atm
2019-07-12 14:09
Top1 hltv vs 0
2019-07-12 15:07
#40
Boo | 
France mbl4 
First year at the top level from ZywOo and he could already be #1 at the end of the year, so calm down
2019-07-12 15:17
LOL ZYWHO<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<S1MPLE AT HALF OF YEAR JUST CHECK STATS JUST BE SPEECHLESS
2019-07-12 17:59
#98
Boo | 
France mbl4 
2019-07-12 21:49
Yeah, 1 game vs shitce -and 1 game vs chokestralis isn’t stathunting. Set top 30 filter and cry
2019-07-12 21:52
#100
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Cry ? 0.03 rating difference but 2 more MVPs and 1 more title make ZywOo ahead in the ranking this year. Cry more kiddo
2019-07-12 21:54
Cry is free. Only 1 mvp (cologne) is showing real zywoo’s skill. 2 mvp’s in shitty tournaments doesn’t matter. You can not answer me anymore, I won’t answer
2019-07-12 21:57
#120
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United States Jammin800k 
Get help
2019-07-13 08:02
Cry is not free. Typical retard russian.
2019-07-13 08:09
Typical russia hater, so many examples when mvp dont mean anything, like last year when device has more mvp thanpimple but he got second place at ranking
2019-07-13 09:32
Ofc it does not matter when s1mple is a better individual player? Where u at muslim?
2019-07-13 10:54
not muslim lmao. typical astralis fanboy from trashmark
2019-07-13 18:56
You mad muslim Electronic?
2019-07-13 22:47
He is not xD
2019-07-14 11:01
#144
NAF | 
Armenia Batya221 
hi dude xd
2019-07-14 12:20
0/8
2019-07-14 12:14
#145
Boo | 
France mbl4 
I'm not saying that ZywOo is better (obviously s1mple is the best player in the world), but ZywOo is leading in the HLTV ranking Atm
2019-07-14 12:31
This isnt even a discussion. S1mple >>> zywoo
2019-07-12 14:09
#10
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Europe pencilvester 
+1 Zywoo good but not best
2019-07-12 14:15
#18
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
based on what? look at zywoos trajectory in rating, just going up. S1mples pointing down. Look at team performance top 2 team vs nowhere. s1mple is cannibalizing frags from others in his team by lurking, eco fragging and sacfiricing his team, shows in the team performance. Add a bit of toxicity into that. Zywoo is a humble team player.
2019-07-12 14:55
0 brain lmao
2019-07-12 15:02
#48
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
weed is good for the brain I promise, it increases your iq. keep going.
2019-07-12 15:40
#107
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Germany JoooookER 
he doesnt seem to need it for it to be higher than yours
2019-07-13 00:25
how cute, s0mple fans sticking out for each other.
2019-07-13 07:33
#147
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Germany JoooookER 
lol i dont like s1mple but you seem to be pretty stupid but outright hate s1mple
2019-07-16 20:15
Hate is a strong word! At least I share my opinion instead of trolling like you.
2019-07-16 22:01
wtf? literally 0 iq comment
2019-07-12 15:05
#49
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
haha s1mple fanb0y. wait for hltv top20 2019 you will see.
2019-07-12 15:41
what will i see you 50kg skinny kid? every pro player says s1mple is the best, the fact that navi cant success enough with players like flamie or zeus obviously wont help s1mple to get higher in ranking based on statistics, but you gotta have more than 10 iq to understand this scandinavian dog
2019-07-12 15:45
#84
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France Lelib 
Stop living in the past, pros said that in 2018
2019-07-12 18:01
fan of vitality from france...ahhaahhahahahahahahahahah accurate opinion from white flag pussy
2019-07-12 18:13
#93
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France Lelib 
Like I said, don't live in the past
2019-07-12 18:48
fan of vitality xddd ok hahaha
2019-07-12 22:35
#104
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France Lelib 
Can't deny that I'm right tho Nt no scene
2019-07-12 23:46
Noone said you're right, just fan of vitality said some fangay sentence and everybody has a laugh
2019-07-13 00:16
#111
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France Lelib 
Alright have fun in your dreams then
2019-07-13 00:59
#35
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Portugal nakbarone 
Get out of this forum
2019-07-12 15:11
#51
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
that's not such a nice thing to say!
2019-07-12 15:42
#105
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Portugal nakbarone 
stupid comment requires equally stupid response
2019-07-12 23:59
offended by facts, sry can’t help you!
2019-07-13 07:35
#132
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Portugal nakbarone 
Offended? Mate wtf are you on about
2019-07-13 15:45
I’m on about your lack of reasoning!
2019-07-13 15:59
#134
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Portugal nakbarone 
Bad bot
2019-07-13 16:24
#37
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France Lelib 
+1
2019-07-12 15:14
You obviously haven't been following the scene.
2019-07-12 15:44
Well if I haven’t please fill me in. Is s1mple not baiting more than zywoo? Do they not have an opposite rating trajectory?
2019-07-13 07:40
#80
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France Zetherion 
Thats actually really good to point out that
2019-07-12 17:37
+1
2019-07-14 12:15
s1mple 1 major soon zywoo 0 major soon
2019-07-12 14:10
+1 bomich will carry p1mple
2019-07-12 14:11
#21
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
yeah when other players start stepping up the whole team will get better and s1mples rating will drop.
2019-07-12 14:57
+1
2019-07-12 14:59
more chance of zywoo winning tbh xD
2019-07-12 14:11
#89
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Germany owjdb 
+1
2019-07-12 18:32
zywoo will win major and major mvp before s1mple
2019-07-12 14:11
zywoo playing with 4 bots, simple with 2,5 bots ... i dont think they can really win a major without a propper team. Twistzz and Elige arent that far behind in terms of skill AND they got a working team around them so Liquid should beat navi / vitality any time
2019-07-12 16:04
#81
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France Zetherion 
I dont understand yout comment, if Zywoo plays with 4 bots and Na'Vi play with 2,5 bot and Vitality is top 2 world and Na'Vi not even in top 5 who is the better player between those two ?
2019-07-12 17:38
it was just about the major, i dont think any of the 2 will win it. Zywoo is better than simple atm in my eyes though.
2019-07-12 19:07
#119
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Australia Pwnisher_ 
You do realize navi has been taking a break, right? They haven't participated in events for a while until recently which decreased their hltv rank, doesnt mean they're worse than vitality
2019-07-13 08:00
zywoo >>>>>>>>>>> s1mple
2019-07-12 14:12
#27
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France CKs1 
*Most_Clever_Guy_In_Hltv
2019-07-12 15:04
#32
shox | 
France Malo0o 
JackZ>Zywoo
2019-07-12 15:07
#42
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France CKs1 
Zywoo=Jackz>the other
2019-07-12 15:22
#45
shox | 
France Malo0o 
yeah man ez4jackz&zywooNewGodsOfFrenchCs
2019-07-12 15:35
#46
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France CKs1 
+11111111
2019-07-12 15:36
#47
shox | 
France Malo0o 
only sixerj and happyV can destroyed them
2019-07-12 15:38
#94
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France Ruben_H 
+1 SEXER > all
2019-07-12 18:55
who is jackz hahahahahha 0/8
2019-07-12 15:29
Name checks out Flag checks out Flair checks out
2019-07-12 16:33
#8
ZywOo | 
France Qaze 
zywoo soon 4 mvp
2019-07-12 14:12
zywoo 3 mvps, s1mple 1 mvp vs top10 teams on lan hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. vs top5 teams on lan hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. if hltv ranking would be made right now, zywoo is before s1mple based on how hltv ranking works
2019-07-12 14:12
#22
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Other delmaszm 
bro that ZywOo stats vs top5 team is actually scary... 1.43 ?!
2019-07-12 14:57
#38
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France Lelib 
And people still try to argue and say that s1mple is still the best
2019-07-12 15:15
+1 People fail to realize that ZywOo got alot more online games than any other players right now, which tend to impact his stats in a negative way
2019-07-12 16:22
It's hella close though and Zywoo improved FAST
2019-07-12 14:15
Why i feel like zyw0o is smarter player than s1mple, anyway both is blast to watch :)
2019-07-12 14:37
#13
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France antreas48 
maybe cuz he doesn't go for unecessery knifes?
2019-07-12 14:39
Lol this too, s1mples games sometime is more like one man show using every gun in his inventory, he seems more like playing for fun than zyw0o seems more like team player, its hard to describe bcz they are both pros and both extremly good plus s1mple #1 in2018, the future looks fun for us guys, we well see who is best :D
2019-07-12 14:43
#16
s1mple | 
Moldova FinNNNN 
cry ZyWHO? fan
2019-07-12 14:43
#33
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Zywoo needs his smart moves in some situation Reminds me on the last major-minor qualifier, where zywoo did this clips.twitch.tv/ConcernedCarelessOilNerf.. . S1mple handle the same situation with raw mechanic skills(4k spray at Mirage) and cuz he practices the same situation 100000 times (At Cologne the round on inferno with his 3k through the smoke and push through smoke is such an example) that is why he is the GOAT. Both have an equal game sense but two different ways to handle things. Maybe Zywoo has little bit more talent, but s1mple has by far the best work ethic.
2019-07-12 15:14
These smart moves by ZywOo will probably gurantee him more success or rather consistency in the future. This right now is his first year in top tier cs. And look at him. I think we can expect more from him. Obviously no discredit to s1mple. His skill is insane and he was stand out for a while now. Also disagree with calling s1mple GOAT. Maybe GOAT skillwise of csgo yet. But the GOAT of the game takes more than just mechanical skill.
2019-07-12 15:19
#43
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
talent is useless without a work ethic. Just watch Niko he personally improved zero the last 3 years. Also, S1mple did make a step Zywoo didn't do and if you watch France scene he probably will never do. Join an international team with main language English. This time taught him a lot. Zywoo plays atm more like with his "friends" it is his first year. he will have a lot of time to struggle. I didn't say s1mple has only mechanical skills. I said he handle it with mechanical skills when Zywoo would try to be smart. I also said the game sense of both is equal. Gamesense isn't a mechanical skill. Raw Aim S1mple is at my pov better, cuz his reactions are insane, even when you watch it you cant see it sometimes what he actually did. Ronaldo was never talented as Messi or Zidane. You can always have your opinion who is the GOAT. But Ronaldo wouldn't stay at the same level as them in this topic when he didn't work so hard to be there. I think at least cr7>Messi It makes you personally stronger when you have to work really hard to become so good, than you have talent and a shorter way to the same level.
2019-07-12 15:30
I do not think you can per se say, that NiKo did not improve the last 3 years. It is no always about individual skill. CSGO is a team game. And FaZe had struggles with Niko trying to IGL, roster moves, uncertainty and maybe inconfidence in played position. Do not make it too easy. NaVi as a team is highly build around s1mple, to set him up for plays etc. FaZe doesnt play all down to NiKo. Regarding the international team, the Astralis players also played with people from their country and did not join an international roster. So I do not see a reason why that would matter at all. Sure, you did not say s1mple only has mechanical skill, but that is where he stands out. And his gamesense of course. Overall his capability as an individual player. S1mple definitely has a more flashy playstyle and likes to go for more risky and hyped plays. Yes, s1mple has a great work ethic. I do not know too much about ZywOo in that regard so I wont comment on his work ethic. But the fact he is still so young and yet so insanely good on big stages makes me doubt he will struggle a lot. Regarding the GOAT status, I meant to say, that GOAT of the game takes more than just individual capability.
2019-07-12 15:41
ZywOo is quite the hard worker too. He has an insane amount of playtime for such a young player, and pretty sure it's far more than s1mple at same age
2019-07-12 15:55
#121
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah dont know how you cant see how zywoos work ethic is insane. Hes so prepared and the flicks he does back and forth when approaching multiple angles show such confidence.
2019-07-13 08:05
What do you know of zywoos work ethic, he has insane amount of hours. Who cares about that anyways when it's what you bring to the table that matters.
2019-07-13 09:56
#14
ZywOo | 
France gamarin 
ZywOo stats are downplayed by the first big events of the year where Vita was still average and NBK leading.
2019-07-12 14:41
#34
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
And s1mple stats get downboosted by shit m8s so even with 80kills+ they didn't manage to go to EPL. Especially thx to Botward.
2019-07-12 15:11
Same as ZywOo And it doesn't affect your personnal stats, in fact, it's quite the opposite, which is also an argument for ZywOo>s1mple RN
2019-07-12 15:56
#17
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Sweden swediztann3 
zywoo is using kz scripts so s1mple better
2019-07-12 14:46
s1mple = top1 2019
2019-07-12 14:57
#23
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Lithuania KoksSkirtumas 
Zyw0o look more stable at this moment.
2019-07-12 14:58
#25
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Turkey OdunKafaYT 
Set the all time and compare null Zwyoo>s1mple
2019-07-12 15:01
#29
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France CKs1 
Zywoo is a better mate than s1mple, is better
2019-07-12 15:05
s1mple > zywoo, however in the ranking this year zywoo is higher atm, navi dodged some lans and didnt have such a good results as in 2018
2019-07-12 15:07
#57
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
Individual players rating don't decrease over time or by playing less games in the same way as the team ratings do. It's just averaged over the amount of maps played within a period. Having more maps and higher rating just shows greater consistency and a more well deserved rating.
2019-07-12 15:51
Yeah but if a player have .03 better rating with twice less maps, he wont be ranked higher Especially considering that the kicker are the MVP's, where ZywOo is clear leader this year As of today, ZywOo is 1.33 all matches 2019 with 179 maps played, while s1mple is 1.34 with 82 maps played. With the MVPs they got, ZywOo would clearly be #1
2019-07-12 16:03
#63
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
agree! kind of what I meant, more maps and high rating justifies the rating more than high rating and fewer maps. It proves consistency and removes the factor of having a few lucky runs and then stop playing keeping your high rating while some one else has grinded it out all the way.
2019-07-12 16:14
no..i said it more accurate but we meant the same thing i think
2019-07-12 16:31
1.20 rating and 1st place > 1.50 rating and 4th place, its obvious zywoo is higher than s1mple because vitality is more succesful this year
2019-07-12 16:32
#36
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Belgium Chuckyyy 
HLTV also counts small LAN events.
2019-07-12 15:11
#91
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North America Straf3R 
This counts big lans
2019-07-12 18:38
zywoo good but not best (s1mple best)
2019-07-12 15:15
#52
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Denmark fuzeCSGO 
wait and see?
2019-07-12 15:43
I think zywoo is as good as simple but i dont want him to be no. 1 next year.
2019-07-12 15:47
When stats doesnt mean anything.... On the Current form, aka not since the begining of the year on including end of 2018 when he just started to play at high level, ZywOo >>>> s1mple, including statwise And ZywOo is on ascending for while s1mple is regressing hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/Zyw.. Past 3 monthes : 1,35 vs 1,25 rating 1,35 vs 1,25 impact (the most important stat) And i dont even speak about MVPs
2019-07-12 15:52
#58
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
finally some who understands how to read a graph! +1
2019-07-12 15:53
Impact isn't most important stat tbh
2019-07-12 16:19
Not for the ranking, but for individual performance it is. It's cool to have a very high rating/ratio, but if it's only exit/eco frag, its useless
2019-07-12 16:21
No, ZyWoo have very high impact due to his team rely on him so much, S1mple have electronic in his team so it's obvious his impact will be lower than ZyWoo, Most important stat is probably ADR or KAST
2019-07-12 16:24
ZywOo also got maps he dosn't top frag, that's a wrong argument, and it's not what impact means. As you can see, it correlates to their rating, because both are carrying their team the same way.
2019-07-12 16:24
I agree Zywoo is better player than s1mple this year, But Vitality play looks like ZyWoo +ALEX/apEX NaVi play looks like S1mple + Electronic + Flamie/Boombl4 TL;DR #64
2019-07-12 16:28
#122
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United States Jammin800k 
The players on the team have nothing to do with the impact rating you achieve since no player is playing optimally anyway.
2019-07-13 08:07
Individually S1mple is better but Zywoo is better as team player
2019-07-12 16:18
And that's what will make him better in the long run. CSGO is a team game, and having the best players and team players will make you win more, and the more you win the higher chances you get to be #1 if your individual performances remain good
2019-07-12 16:30
Ofc, We already saw how big is s1mple ego when he throw vs Liquid twice when his teammates try so much, If he use a teamwork like Zywoo always do, NaVi should edge Liquid, And we could see a clash between Zywoo and S1mple but instead of this, S1mple ego destroys NaVi hope
2019-07-12 16:37
Na`Vi tried so much, that they lost 2vs1 when S1mple failed his knife.
2019-07-12 17:10
And this is their fault? It's s1mple want to be funny but like always he become idiot
2019-07-12 18:24
Well, when they were 4vs1 and still lost cuz S1mple did knife move... It means that the last 2-3 of S1mple's teammates were at least "bad" if they lost against that 1 enemy at the end.
2019-07-12 23:25
s1mple
2019-07-12 16:23
The problem is that people can't deffirentiaite a player that having the best year and a player which is the best. Yes s1mple is still the better player of the 2, by a small margin, because his mechanics remain a little better. But it doesn't change the fact that ZywOo got a better year than him statwise, at all level, and that's what makes him #1 if the difinitive ranking was right now. Still has time to change before the end of the year though.
2019-07-12 16:29
+1
2019-07-13 00:46
He is a better player Zywoo has a better year
2019-07-13 00:46
#123
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United States Jammin800k 
+1 however I'd add that zywoo has more room for improvement than s1mple
2019-07-13 08:08
Yeah clearly, and he is allready so close. Everyone speaks of his bad série against liquid but people also doesn’t remember that s1mple has Never been able to carry NaVi to grand finals Win against dominant teams
2019-07-13 10:17
#136
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United States Jammin800k 
He didnt have a bad series vs Liquid, just a normal one.
2019-07-13 20:15
When you listen to people it’s like : Nah it was bad he had 2 games wit rating < 1
2019-07-14 00:22
#139
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United States Jammin800k 
I don't listen to idiots
2019-07-14 01:34
jamppi >>>>>>>>>> zybot & s0mple
2019-07-12 16:36
#88
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Poland SalamiXg0d 
none cares
2019-07-12 18:29
Gj
2019-07-13 00:47
#90
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North America Straf3R 
Switch it to past three months.
2019-07-12 18:36
#92
NBK- | 
Denmark L|G2|BTQ 
Who tf is Simple??? I know only S0mple guy
2019-07-12 18:39
S1mp
2019-07-12 19:12
#97
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Canada ocizzle 
I went to high school with s1mple. He was a virgin and I think he still is
2019-07-12 19:13
Zywoo needs more time. He has to hold his skill level for a while before he can be compared to S1mple. But right now, i think zywoo is just as good as S1mple, if not even better. I guess top 3 this year will consist of zywoo, S1mple and Elige.
2019-07-13 01:10
2019-07-13 07:36
zywoo > simplet sorry
2019-07-13 07:47
ofc zywoo > simple look at him go with every weapon he's entry every round while s1mple saves awp :D
2019-07-13 09:33
lmao s1mple noob. ZywOo god. Haha nt monkey. Go eat bananas.
2019-07-13 10:04
oh, this thread again
2019-07-13 10:22
Pasha, top 1 soon
2019-07-14 12:19
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