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GOAT LIQUID ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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United States GrandNagusZek 
Are they GOAT? I would say 100% yes because they have era during when CS never been as competitive and skilled as now. Your opinion?
2019-07-15 16:20
What have they done to be considered GOAT?
2019-07-15 16:21
#3
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United States GrandNagusZek 
Being best and having era when scene is never been as skilled as now? That makes them GOAT by every definition
2019-07-15 16:40
They need to win a major to be considered goat imo
2019-07-15 16:52
#46
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Poland kola5410 
+1
2019-07-15 17:05
Imagine a GOAT without majors lmfao
2019-07-22 02:07
that was NiP for a while but they did go 87-0
2019-07-22 02:11
#323
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
Back then valve didn't make majors
2019-07-22 13:54
they fucked up so many majors until Cologne 2014
2019-07-23 01:59
#358
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
YES! 2 IS SO MANY! SURE!
2019-07-23 17:00
still it is many imagine NIP having 3 majors rather than only 1
2019-07-23 18:50
#362
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Poland kola5410 
what about fnatic?? they could have 4 (dh winter as well), but they have 2, so this argument isn't this good ps. I'm talking about majors that took place when they had their era
2019-07-23 20:02
#489
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United Kingdom TGR4 
Fnatic has 3 majors they got one with devilwalk and znajder
2019-08-04 18:01
#491
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Poland kola5410 
Have you read ps.? Their era was (in terms of majors) since dh 2014 to dh cluj napoca 2015
2019-08-04 18:26
#496
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United Kingdom TGR4 
Nice edit :)
2019-08-04 18:55
they were in the final in the first 5 majors, only winning one. could've easily been more fnatic won 3 majors with 4 finals
2019-08-08 16:58
+1
2019-07-23 13:48
imagine thinking about s1mple that he is goat without winning a major
2019-08-04 17:28
haha +1 +1 +100
2019-08-04 17:40
Hes not GOAT, at least not yet. 1 player alone can't win a major. Teams win majors.
2019-08-04 19:26
#505
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Greece NaviGuy 
nt s1mple best player of all time navi best team 😎
2019-08-07 16:22
s1mple?
2019-08-07 16:27
#58
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United States GrandNagusZek 
why? major is one tournament among others so gambig is goat because they won major? finnish people IQ..
2019-07-15 17:37
Never said gambit is goat lol Astralis at their prime is the goat, they won two majors and many other tournaments. (but but but major is only one tournament among others *crying*) If Liquid win the Berlin major and CONTINUE their dominance they are the goat. And typically because you don't have any arguments which is expected, you insult me. Nice try.
2019-07-15 17:45
#75
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United States GrandNagusZek 
astralis isn't goat because general skill level was much lower when they were top1 now when general skill level is high, astralis cant achieve anythign (so they cant be goat)
2019-07-15 18:24
That's just retard
2019-07-15 18:36
#80
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United States GrandNagusZek 
You know that I am right, thats why you are so mad
2019-07-15 18:36
Lul high skill level with teams like Ence, Vitality and Nrg at the top
2019-07-15 18:43
#88
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United States GrandNagusZek 
is it their fault that those "superteams" and "superstars" you knew back then just don't have enough talent and skill to success in nowadays toughest markets?
2019-07-15 18:49
No they are just washed up nowadays. It doesn't mean players now are better than year ago
2019-07-15 18:52
#93
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United States GrandNagusZek 
they are even better than they were but Americans are just too good for them If you don't believe me, watch other sports too, its same best players from year to year, skill on top doesn't fall, it rises
2019-07-15 19:26
Of course it may rise but it may fall in a short period of time like 1 year.
2019-07-15 19:34
#101
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
It didnt though and especially in 1 year. 1 year in CSGO is a very long time. Pretty much impossible for the overall skill level to to down over that long of a span, wouldn't make any sense. Liquid isnt the GOAT team but it's much more competitive than it was last year and the top 10 has improved a lot.
2019-07-15 20:09
#178
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Germany JoooookER 
i am a liquid fan ... a huge liquid fan, but goat ... no way atm
2019-07-16 20:34
#188
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Cool I said that too
2019-07-16 22:07
#199
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Germany JoooookER 
sry i was braindead and replyed to the wrong comment
2019-07-18 21:19
you call 1 year short in CS? and when prizes/salaries are this high everybody train to be better constantly (and skill rises)
2019-07-21 09:47
0 majors Come back if you win Berlin untill just a really Good team performing Good nothing special
2019-07-22 18:56
Is funny how brainwashed MURICAS are. I'm a liquid fan. I've always supported them against AStralis in 2018 and now I'm happy to see them succeed against Astrail but they are nowhere near to Astrail. They are the best but still had close games. Astralis demolished everyone. Astralis in their prime are the GOAT of cs
2019-08-03 15:45
#115
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North America noahB_ 
Players now are definitely better than they were years ago, idk of any serious person (pro players or analysts) that would deny this. The talent cap of the pro scene keeps increasing.
2019-07-15 21:11
Actually you are dumb. Have a nice day
2019-07-22 08:41
you are just jealous that Greatest Era in History of CS belong to us Americans
2019-07-22 18:50
No actually good for you. You are dumb either for stupid bait or fale flagging
2019-07-22 18:52
Don't try lie You clearly don't like me And it is because I enjoy having greatest era while you can't
2019-07-22 20:42
#509
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Greece NaviGuy 
Greatest era with 4 t1 events lmfao
2019-08-07 16:26
They been best team by big margin for 6 months during hardest era ever this isn't enough for you? all era's in past were lowskilled eras compared to this
2019-08-07 18:23
#513
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Greece NaviGuy 
Liquid is a great team, but it’s been just 10 weeks. If they win the major and dominate for a couple more months maybe it will be the greatest era.
2019-08-07 18:30
understanding of math clearly isn't strongest aspect of you greeks/europeans 6 months = 24 weeks
2019-08-07 18:46
#518
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Greece NaviGuy 
Liquid has been domimating for 6 months? Are you retarded?
2019-08-07 18:58
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Stewie2k check yourself if you don't believe me stats don't lie
2019-08-08 16:54
Liquid goat lmfaooo they scraped by teams like fnatic and G2 in finals and won 0 majors, they are legit the worst team to ever be 1# and only because goat Astralis allow the shit team to be there. Liquid 1# = 11 weeks Astralis 1# = 86 weeks
2019-08-13 16:26
hahahahaha so mad hahahahaha 8/8
2019-08-13 16:40
That's a biased opinion. What happens to you is that Liquid is american and you just lose it. What a bounch of crap you are saying, Yes they are a fantastic team but talking about being the GOAT? what are you smoking? and Astralis is definetely to be considered among the best for sure, they were super dominant. (I'm not fan of any of those teams but you should be more objective with your opinions)
2019-07-15 21:08
#146
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United States Hubterbean 
They were dominant but look at the time period they did it so many teams rebuilding ( g2 vitality ENCE) all they had to beat was liquid and Navi and Navi is fucking hot garbage so rn liquid has so many more skilled opponents and have one so many tournaments with those skilled opponents.
2019-07-16 14:26
Navi is fucking hot garbage they haven't played in years, you can't say anything about their form rn
2019-07-23 13:39
#512
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Greece NaviGuy 
wtf men respect navi best team of all time 👍👍
2019-08-07 18:29
he said that, forgot to put quotes
2019-08-07 19:18
#520
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Greece NaviGuy 
oh lol
2019-08-07 19:24
i love Na`Vi mens)))
2019-08-07 21:03
#159
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Norway _koshin 
Damn
2019-07-16 16:20
how Astralis could be GOAT when they can't achieve anything now when skill is higher than ever in scene?
2019-07-21 19:46
they are current back to back major champs and only lost the last match against lulquid cause they choked massively after raping them hard on overpass
2019-08-13 16:27
your excuses are priceless hhahahaha btw, what happened to your danish flag you used before? :DD
2019-08-13 16:57
If liquid wins the major and then possibly a second intel grand slam they will be the best team in CSGO history
2019-08-04 10:22
ONLY THEN??????????? You already forgot their world record time in winning intel grand slam.. Nobody else been able do it as fast
2019-08-15 20:54
Why you on this thread over a week old my guy
2019-08-16 02:42
you mad because we are successful on CS and you ain't?
2019-08-16 06:46
You changed your flair to liquid when they started playing well congrats
2019-08-16 15:58
Me gloryhunter? Not true, I was all long their fan, even before their success as GOAT
2019-08-17 08:35
This dumb hamburger-eating fatty doesn't even know how CS works.
2019-07-16 15:13
You mad because we are better than you ever were? back in 1.6 swedish were best, but now you are joke of cs :D
2019-07-22 16:41
wtf, you are dumb af there is no meta change between astralis and liquids time and era are defined by domination and achievements and astralis was better in those 2 parts by miles
2019-07-20 17:50
ok mr raiz
2019-07-23 13:39
#380
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United States jaeger_steam 
Definite meta change, 100%. Aug/sg changes and the way liquid play essentially roleless, there has been a decent amount of change to the meta That being said, liquid still have not done enough to be goat, anyone unbiased knows this
2019-07-24 19:09
Grand slam is more prestigious than any major
2019-08-04 10:23
I didn't speak about meta, I said that general skill level is much higher today than in past thats why astralis can't achieve anything and Liquid is GOAT
2019-08-17 10:26
#567
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United States stephcurry30 
they r goat in terms of skill but not achievements
2019-08-17 10:50
its biggest achievement ever to dominate during highest skill level era otherwise nip would be goat with 87-0 when they dominated during low skill era
2019-08-17 12:14
how can they be goat when they literally didnt get more than 5 wins and no major?? even sk era was better in terms of achievement than this
2019-08-17 11:18
Ever heard of Intel Grand Slam?
2019-08-17 13:26
ever heard of 3 majors? Intel grand slam and more wins like eleague ecs ect.
2019-08-17 16:23
Intel Grand Slam World Record > 3 majors
2019-08-17 16:32
????? 1 igs + 3 majors > 1 igs wtf
2019-08-17 21:39
Who did IGS in world record time? who did it fastest in history of CS?
2019-08-25 10:41
"world record time" wtf are you high doesnt matter if you are winning 2 in tier2 tournemants.. get 2 majors, then we can talk about GOAT lul
2019-08-25 12:51
major is just one tournament amongs others winning a lot of tournaments in row during highest skill level era and IGS in world record time = GOAT
2019-08-25 14:19
so flair checks out massively, sorry but you are just delusional, when you are thinking this IGS makes them goat..
2019-08-25 14:38
#258
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United Kingdom JDRhys 
Braindead American iq Astralis are clearly the goat of cs, their individual skill level was insane compared to previous Goats and they were a much better team at their prime than liquid is, liquid just make stupid plays and get quite a bit of luck, whereas Astralis make and setup those plays
2019-07-21 11:30
astralis only strenght was their teamplay (which was also boring to watch) skillwise Liquid is 2x better if Astralis would be goat, they would still be dominating but instead of that they are getting destroyed from tournament to another while Liquid dominate scene as GOAT when skill level is higher than ever :)
2019-07-21 13:07
skillwise Liquid is 2x better yes thats true astralis is goat. they won way more tournemants and won 2 majors in a row. astralis core played every major since the beginning and made it to every play-off except one, where device was sick. liquid is there since this year and "only" won 5 tournemants now. they look good, they could make new records. but rn? they arent even close to the kings of cs astralis. who redefined cs completely. "if Astralis would be goat, they would still be dominating" you cant dominate forever, people will read you and astralis was on top for along time. they are still a top2-4 team. lost some form cuz they didnt play.
2019-07-23 13:47
if winning tournaments and games during lowskilled era make you goat, then nip with 87-0 is the goat you starting to see now how senseless your logic was?
2019-07-23 19:49
ifyou argument about the scene was whack during astralis era, you have to be dumb. the competetive scene doesnt get bad, maybe some teams get bad, when the meta changed. and liquid with the new economy update is unbeatable rn. so was astralis last year. the competetive scene is an little argument. but not a huge factor. the competetive scene is at its high all the time, it always increases and the meta changed, you cant just compare nip era with astralis one. astralis got worse with economy update, thats how it is. but that doesnt make their past worse. they achieved many many things last year. and if liquid can win more events than astralis, then they are the goat. thats my opinion on this
2019-07-23 20:42
#476
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United Kingdom EKersh 
+1
2019-08-04 11:25
So they won the grand slam by getting lucky, got it
2019-08-04 10:23
NA is just trash
2019-07-21 16:31
the general skill level was much lower when astralis were number 1? what? when astralis were number 1 ENCE were better, MIBR were better, Faze were better, only team thats got better in liquid era is Vitality.
2019-07-22 09:22
Literally all the teams are the same except Mibr. Astralis and liquid are playing in the same era.
2019-07-24 23:19
Their eras are months apart. The skill level did not change from the beginning of the year baitman
2019-07-24 20:02
it did, otherwise nip still would be 8777-0
2019-07-28 18:56
#437
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Poland SalamiXg0d 
delusional liquid fan
2019-08-01 21:41
just stating facts
2019-08-02 19:47
#63
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
That's 1 (ONE) factor, just like you listed ONE (1) factor..
2019-07-15 17:45
#73
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North America daesoulae 
they are the best as of right now, but they need to win multiple majors to be the best of all time
2019-07-15 17:53
#78
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United States GrandNagusZek 
nobody else can be GOAT because when others dominated general skill level on top was way lower than now
2019-07-15 18:33
#94
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North America daesoulae 
goat means greatest of all time, emphasis on all time. in order to be the greatest of all time, they need to win the most tournaments, have the longest era, etc.
2019-07-15 19:26
no, goat mean that you win during hardest time otherwise some 4th level basketball team could be goat from 3rd level league could be goat if they just dominate and win most tournaments there goat is all about level and skill level never been this high
2019-07-15 21:02
#116
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North America daesoulae 
"all time"
2019-07-15 21:11
you can't be best of all time if you dominate when general skill level is lower who dominated during when general skill level is highest is the GOAT
2019-07-16 16:51
#166
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North America daesoulae 
who says that general skill is higher now than it was last year? i doubt it improved substiantially
2019-07-16 17:10
every expert and everyone with brain understand it himself its same in every popular sport, skill level raises all the time if pele played today, he wouldn't even be in top100 player list
2019-07-16 18:46
#168
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North America daesoulae 
is english your first language?
2019-07-16 18:51
Yes Is it yours? I doubt
2019-07-16 19:40
#171
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North America daesoulae 
lol you dont talk like a native english speaker
2019-07-16 19:46
I talk better
2019-07-16 20:27
#213
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France Snabe_ 
lmao its a 0/8 bait from the beginning
2019-07-20 10:46
#229
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Belgium RobinDG 
This. Don’t fall for it guys, this fakeflagger just wants attention.
2019-07-20 12:22
this is pure facts. anyone disagreeing is bug brained or jealous of NA
2019-08-08 17:57
Europeans can't handle truth
2019-08-09 18:35
#568
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United States stephcurry30 
both achievements and skill need to be considered when talkin about goat. liquid is the most skilled team of all time but they still lack in the achievements category so astralis is still goat
2019-08-17 10:59
#566
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Germany Bicepsislove 
Finally a non delusional liquid fan
2019-08-17 10:41
You're making a fool of yourself, just stop.
2019-07-15 18:25
#124
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United States Degree|CSGO 
That logic is stupid. Winning a major doesn’t make you GOAT or the best team in the world for a matter of fact but usually eras are solidified by a major win because of how long they are and because they are usually the most stacked event of the year with all the teams preparing to win.
2019-07-15 23:25
#149
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
And Liquid's lasts about 2 months at this point..
2019-07-16 14:30
+1 try tell that to eu fanboys who don't understand that major is one tournament among others they still think that gambit also had era because they won major LOL
2019-07-20 08:37
The major is like csgo’s World Cup.
2019-07-20 11:16
you can't even compare it to world cup world cup is like only tournament that have best teams from all over world in every sport major is just one tournament among many that have best teams playing it in csgo, there are like 30 tournaments like it every year
2019-08-07 16:20
#151
s1mple | 
Netherlands xGrayZ 
its true lmao they have to win a major stupid american
2019-07-16 14:32
better 2 back to back majors
2019-07-16 14:40
just one? usually you europeans say that Liquid have to win at least 5 majors in row before that they can even be considered top1 just alone GOAT LOL
2019-07-16 16:37
yes they do need to win 7 back to back majors
2019-07-23 13:41
only 7? liquid is like team form for chuck norris, they do at least 70
2019-07-23 20:07
if they won't you owe me $50
2019-07-23 20:20
you want just 50$?
2019-07-28 21:22
yes
2019-07-28 21:23
There are teams that have won 3 majors. Astralis won 2 in a row. NIP had an 87 map win streak. Liquid are nowhere fucking near their level just because they won 4 big events in a row.
2019-07-16 20:39
yeah and when NiP was dominant the entire scene was far less competitive because there were less tier 1 teams in the scene because many of them were still on 1.6 and Source.
2019-07-16 22:05
back then skill level was LOW when astralis and nip shined now during high skill era only Liquid is able to dominate (=GOAT)
2019-07-23 21:05
Astralis were shining 6 months ago, stop being delusional.
2019-07-23 21:08
in cs that is forever if u haven't notice 1 year in cs is like 10 years in football
2019-07-24 18:30
The skill level wasn't low six months ago xd, stop being delusional.
2019-07-24 18:41
compared to what it is now it was
2019-07-24 18:42
Vitality are getting carried by one player. Astralis and Faze are both in a slump. Navi still are adjusting to boombl4 it seems, might be same with NRG and stan because they haven't exactly been great ENCE aren't doing too well either, at least not as well as they were a few months ago. MIBR have no 5th. Fnatic and NIP have dropped off. Mousesports are sorting out this new roster. All the other biggest teams are having their own problems right now. What you are saying makes zero sense.
2019-07-24 18:49
all those teams are doing better than even but unfortinally for them Team Liquid is just too good because they are GOAT they aren't bad, they just look bad because TL is superior in every manner
2019-07-28 21:11
That's the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard Especially since a lot of this happened before liquid became #1 xd
2019-07-28 22:02
Its you who got pathetic excuses you just can't admit that EU teams were overrated, so you make excuses that they level dumped you can't accept reality that America just got better and is too good for your teams to reach
2019-07-29 16:51
Oh, I'm not denying that Liquid are a great team, undeniably the best in the world. They really are good. But suggesting that the scene is more competitive than a few of months ago is seriously just ludicrous. That's what I am arguing.
2019-07-29 17:05
scene is more competitive than 6 months ago because chance to become millionare make people train harder all the time and also skill level raises naturally all the time when everybody trains if you think skill level go lower with constant training you clearly don't know how world works
2019-07-29 17:40
You do know that the grand slam award is shared between the players, so they all get $200k? Not instant millionaires? You could become a millionaire before anyway, and you're acting like the chance to win $100k+ didn't motivate people to win before lmao And if you think training is the only thing that affects performance then you clearly don't know how the world works. I like Liquid, but you're one of the more stupid fanboys and I can't be bothered to talk to you anymore.
2019-07-29 17:51
Which team reached Grand Slam win in shortest time? Oh yeah, Liquid.. And they did it during hardest era ever = GOAT
2019-08-01 16:28
You still exist? If you're going to try and keep this up you need to at least reply in 24 hours, I have no interest in you anymore It's funny that you've had days to come up with that and what you said was still irrelevant and wrong xd
2019-08-01 16:33
You just understood that I was right and u were wrong, simple as that
2019-08-01 20:20
"I was right and u were wrong" Really lmao At this point I'm pretty convinced you're a baiter, but just in case I'll finish off. Winning 5 big events in a row (I say big, but Blast LA and IEM Chicago weren't even that big) doesn't make them the GOAT. Astralis won back to back majors, and 3 total. The greatest team of all time should have won a major. Also, you do realise Liquid have only been ranked first for 9 weeks, right? About 2 months? Astralis had over a year of consistent domination. They were #1 for 86 weeks. Even NIP winning 87 maps in a row is more impressive. I know CSGO wasn't anywhere near as competitive back when NIP did that, but 87. EIGHTY-SEVEN WINS, NO LOSSES. That's still amazing. Meanwhile, Liquid nearly lost a map to C9, a then week-old team, at Blast LA. Also please read #379 and just try to understand that saying CS is more competitive than ever is utterly stupid. So basically, if your mind is still unchanged after this, nothing will change it, and you're either the biggest, most delusional fanboy on planet earth or you're just a baiter. Either way I won't entertain you anymore. But for the record, I think Liquid have the capacity to be the GOAT, they just have to do wayyyy more first. At least 2 majors under their belts and maybe they'll have it. We'll see what happens at StarLadder. Now, "/closed" means I'm not going to read your next reply, let alone reply again, so don't waste your time. /closed
2019-08-01 21:38
I didn't read single line, but thank you for long answer :DDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-08-03 08:31
And that's why you are losing an argument really easily
2019-08-03 09:06
point one argument I have lost
2019-08-03 15:55
So what if they reached grand slam in the shortest time? All that matters is that they won it. And Astralis' era already ended. It's no longer "the hardest era". Plus Liquid hasn't won a Major yet so they still can't be the GOAT stupid. They organisation could've had 1 win under their name though... IF THEY HADN'T CHOCKED ON LG AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA
2019-08-03 09:04
major is just one tournament, nothing hard to win it hard to win = 5 or more tournaments in row but they did WORLD RECORD with winning grand slam in shortest time ever (GOAT)
2019-08-03 15:16
Winning the Grand Slam in the shortest time ever does not make you better. Also the major determines the current best team in the world. That's how important it is in the CSGO Pro Scene. "Winning a major is like the ultimate reward, It just means all that hard work just pays off. You're on the top of all teams" ~ Taz
2019-08-04 02:24
Astralis is the GOAT team, dimwit. Get back to us when LULquid has one Major under their belt.
2019-07-24 22:46
astralis dominated during low skill era now during high skill era they cant achieve anything and liquid wins everything and everybody still think that astralis goat? hahaha
2019-07-28 18:53
What. The. Fuck. They dominated in a time when players had HIGH SKILL but less TACTIC. THEY CHANGED THE META. Astralis was the 3rd team to win 2 majors in a row and have a total of 3 major victories with Fnatic. So... what were you saying GOAT?
2019-08-03 09:06
high skill in past? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA astralis never had best players either, they had best teamplay, everybody knows that, even ALEX said that in interview some time ago astralis cannot achieve anything anymore now when skill level is high, its too high for them
2019-08-03 15:39
Who said they had the best? They had some great players in terms of play and consistency but none of them could be the top player, Everyone knows that. *Talks about skill but forgets in the past Fnatic, EnVyUs, G2, NiP, FaZe and SK/LG were basically only winning through aim and not strats* Pfffft nvm it's a new user. Pathetic
2019-08-04 02:17
Even i can notice, that you not a native speaker lol. Skill lvl wasn't lower during the astralis domination, they just didn't give a chance to win rounds Now Liquid have really close games, and it is not because the other teams are raising, but liquid are not very good.
2019-08-04 10:40
i have 2 theories: 1)Fakeflagger 2) Baiter if not, i have no idea how humans work
2019-08-09 19:09
You jealous to us Americans?
2019-08-09 22:14
nothing of what you said was cohesive, to be a goat you have to win a major and be dominant, astralis were goats bcus they were the best, 16-0 to mibr and other teams getting rekt and fnatic the same. Liquid are dominant for 4 months aprox so they are not contender for goat. If liquid goes on 8 more months like this then they could be called "goat" even tho that period of time is very short
2019-08-09 22:48
astralis can't be goat because they dominated during lowskill era now during high skill era they cannot achieve anything
2019-08-10 06:53
yes because mibr, mousesports, navi, faze and others are not skilled
2019-08-10 16:21
back in days they weren't nearly as skilled as now good that u admit it
2019-08-13 16:02
#197
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
Y'all mark ass Americans have lower iq than Europeans. Dat a fact. Y'all some bustas who hasn't seen any street or rough shit man. Bustas, chatroom gangsta'z
2019-07-17 20:53
American education beat finnish anyday Check Finland GDP and then America GDP and think which country is full of smarter people?
2019-07-19 18:24
#201
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
Nah nah man. Finnish education is one of the worlds highest man. It's been scientifically proven dat NA people are dumber than EU.
2019-07-19 18:34
check GDP and think again which country is full of smart people and which isn't
2019-07-19 19:14
#228
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Europe Rhyhorn 
GDP is not necessarily a result of IQ. Implying it is does not help your argument.
2019-07-20 12:16
It is Smart people cause higher GDD for country Thats why we are ahead of all Europeans countries in GDP because we are smarter
2019-07-21 09:37
#255
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Europe Rhyhorn 
No. But keep living in you own world ;)
2019-07-21 11:15
google.com/search?q=USA+gdp google.com/search?q=netharlands+gdp I live in reality as you see, you on another hand.. ;)
2019-07-21 11:18
#280
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Europe Rhyhorn 
You’re still comparing GDP to intelligence, I might as well compare the production of Gouda to intellegence. Stop making up links between (almost) unrelated statistics.
2019-07-21 16:23
I read article that smarter people produce more GDP by that logic more your country produce GDP, smarter people it have
2019-07-21 18:39
#289
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Europe Rhyhorn 
And more people equals more gdp, so you can not draw the conclusion that higher gdp=higher intelligence.
2019-07-21 19:46
Thank you smart one
2019-08-03 09:21
I don't understand your logic how more people can equals more gdp if research say that smarter people is the factor that cause higher gdp?
2019-08-07 16:26
how is it connect? LUL
2019-08-04 10:41
its connected to your iq level smarter people you got = higher GDP your country has who has highest gdp got smartest people, its simple
2019-08-04 17:38
any source to this research?
2019-08-04 17:39
yeah, type to google "smarter people produce more gdp" it give you 815 000 hits
2019-08-04 17:43
well you the best counter argument to this
2019-08-04 18:00
I don't get your point
2019-08-04 19:42
can you answer what you meant with your comment?? i think you just don't understand it yourself either and thats why you are quiet haha
2019-08-07 18:36
you are talking about education systems and tell them to compare gdp. 25% correlation
2019-07-20 12:31
its 100% correlation smarter people = higher GDP your country produce countries with highest GDP got smartest people, its a fact
2019-07-21 11:27
Natural resources also have nothing to do with gdp. Muricunts dumb af comparing to norwegians for example.
2019-07-22 16:25
listen me all finnish and finland could be great someday too i read an research which said that smarter people produce more GDP this mean that usa people are smarter than any of you europeans of finnish
2019-07-22 16:31
Are you autistic? Norway and Switzerland have higher gdp per capita than uS and a. Comparing only gdp is retarded. China will be have larger gdp than US in the coming decades so are they getting more intelligent or do they just breed more?
2019-07-22 19:23
I love how he said 'I read an research' yet he's calling himself smarter than u guys...
2019-08-04 02:54
Can we have proof of this research because it's a pretty dumb logic. It just means how much a country produces a product
2019-08-03 09:18
I also did forget to mention that USA has businesses like McDonalds, KFC, Apple and Microsoft etc. Exports also affects GDP as it's what the country produces, meaning they must produce more to satisfy the demands internationally. To produce more, businesses and industries need more skilled workers as well as machinery. The 4 businesses said above also make large amounts of sale in the economy increasing GDP. Finland has makes more services than goods (They make more intangible goods) and unemployment rates are higher due to less amount of available jobs. Trust me, don't do economics. You're going to fail.
2019-08-04 02:53
Actually Natural resources are kinda related, when more resources are found, people tend to work more, increasing GDP. Forgot economic terms and so my definition is SHIET
2019-08-03 09:20
Bro why are using economic terms when you don't fucking understand it. GDP is Gross Domestic Product and nothing related to how smart a country is. A major factor of GDP in a country is population, which USA has 327.2 million whereas Finland 5.5 million, plus Finland doesn't need to trade much. Plus using Gini-coefficient, USA is 45 and Finland is 27, making inequality in USA more than Finland. Stupid
2019-08-03 09:17
#237
ALEX | 
France Telt 
I agree, majors are, and have to be tbe ultimate goal for any csgo player or lineup. I can't understand how someone could see them as "a tournament among others".
2019-07-20 12:39
#268
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Philippines Eclipsa 
Lol you're a cheeseburger if you actually think Liquid is GOAT. Astralis had the same level of dominance(maybye even more) as liquid in their prime.
2019-07-21 13:52
#268
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Philippines Eclipsa 
Lol you're a cheeseburger if you actually think Liquid is GOAT. Astralis had the same level of dominance(maybye even more) as liquid in their prime.
2019-07-21 13:52
but during astralis' era skill level was much lower so it doesn't count
2019-07-22 18:24
#350
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Philippines Eclipsa 
You mean "firepower". Astralis never had any fuckups, maps lost or close games in their era.
2019-07-23 13:32
because general skill level was so low during their era that it was easy to do it but nowadays when everybody else is good too astralis can't achieve anything anymore only liquid can dominate anymore which make them GOAT
2019-07-23 17:06
#372
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Philippines Eclipsa 
Liquid is the best rn for sure. But Astralis fucked themselves up with that 2 month break.
2019-07-24 06:13
2 months break never ruined any footballers etc. its bs, real reason is that others just got better than astralis has reached their max level and others are still developing to put simple, liquid and co just got more talent
2019-07-24 18:25
But still, you need to be very skilled if u want to win major. Yea, they still are easily the best team rn.
2019-07-21 16:48
+1
2019-07-15 18:44
finally someone who agree with me
2019-08-02 20:43
#143
NEO | 
Indonesia mrowkpio 
They need to win 4 majors to be considered goat
2019-07-16 14:02
#161
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United States xmrcinco 
EU has such a bizarre obsession with majors. Majors really aren't any different then other tournaments and the only reason liquid hasn't won a major is because there hasn't been one since adren joined the team... next major is free for them
2019-07-16 16:26
winning intel grand slam in like 60-something days>winning a major
2019-07-16 22:14
4 tournaments =/= era and not goat status either
2019-07-20 11:19
And now they win 5th grand slam event in a row lol
2019-07-22 01:07
That’s awesome, they show their potential and if they keep This form 2019 Will be know as the liquid era
2019-07-22 13:21
#266
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Morocco royflord 
MeSsi nEEdS A nAtiONal cUp to bE THe gOaT
2019-07-21 13:50
Why would he need that to be the goat? Are you weird or something
2019-07-21 14:46
i would agree that they should win a major before the real era happens, but some would say winning a grand slam in only 60 something days is even harder. i guess it's to be debated but that's just me
2019-07-21 16:33
I take the IGS over a major. They literally won it in 2 months time. And it is more money
2019-07-23 20:21
#410
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United States @FyreCS 
So Gambit winning major is era confirmed????
2019-07-25 06:47
who else loved the gambit era
2019-08-04 02:25
#56
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Latvia Frip! 
GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) -being good only for half a year -haven't won a major
2019-07-15 17:09
#81
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United States GrandNagusZek 
Nobody else can't be GOAT, because general skill level were much lower than it is now back in when others dominated
2019-07-15 18:40
General skill was a half year back so much lower? Wtf are you saying
2019-07-16 07:04
They don't teach english in Czech Republic?
2019-07-16 16:24
They dont teach Geography in USA?
2019-07-16 20:07
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia You heard of wikipedia there?
2019-07-16 20:36
2019-07-16 21:35
Did you forgot change your flag after splitting to two countries?
2019-07-17 19:26
You are really dumb if you dont know that this is flag of Slovak Republic
2019-07-17 19:41
Who call other dumb is dumb himself Its chezc flag, not yours
2019-07-17 20:17
2019-07-17 20:20
and u aint 'murican =DD
2019-07-20 11:01
yes I am, mina olla amerikasta
2019-07-22 17:59
Half a year? They've been top 5 for more than a year, half of that time being top 2. The only team that could consistently beat them was Astralis.
2019-07-19 18:40
2 months*
2019-07-20 11:19
m8, same for astralis tho.. it isn't that competitive still. the best teams just got passed by teams like vitality and nrg which were tier 2/3. Teams like mibr, faze, astralis, navi, are not in their best form right now.
2019-07-15 17:12
#72
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Sweden Akoulad 
Maybe it's the other way around, Liquid is finally good and everyone is bad. It makes more sense, just look at MiBR and their roster changes, Faze also, Blaststralis. Everyone has dropped off.
2019-07-15 17:52
era?
2019-07-15 20:22
if this isn't era, what is?
2019-07-22 17:48
but it really isnt. its an impressive winning streak. certainly not an era. maybe a period? or, if they do have an era, then astralis and fnatic had an epoch
2019-07-22 19:07
#179
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Poland Lukovsky 
they will still be remembered as the biggest chokers in the history of esports 13 second places iirc
2019-07-16 20:35
Yet they keep winning every tournament in row while general skill level never been this high.. If that doesn't make you GOAT, nothing does
2019-07-21 16:10
#305
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Poland Lukovsky 
top1 for 2 months and you call them goat can't be more delusional than that
2019-07-22 04:11
they been top1 for 7 months if I counted right
2019-07-22 16:34
#347
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Poland Lukovsky 
learn to count then another burger brain, what is it with you muricans
2019-07-22 22:21
#210
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Australia flashi 
bruh faze had the same "era" and situation like liquid like does right now in early 2018 - while teams are organizing themselves - navi gets new player and are settling in, astralis and mibr have fallen off, then having ence and furia being inconsistent and vitality the only actual challenger
2019-07-20 08:44
actually all teams are better than ever, but general skill level has raised and thats why they look "inconsistent" to you Liquid is just superior compared to any other team in history of CS when it come to individual + team skills
2019-07-20 09:41
I cant believe how many of them have fallen to ur bait :DDDDDDDD
2019-07-20 11:02
I don't know what you talking about Liquid being GOAT is just a fact :)
2019-07-20 18:39
#238
ALEX | 
France Telt 
Only by one definition actually..
2019-07-20 12:42
what you mean?
2019-08-07 16:18
#267
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Philippines Eclipsa 
since when is being "the best" relate to having an era?
2019-07-21 13:51
being the best for long period during highest skill level ever = having best era
2019-07-22 16:15
#324
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Sweden swediztann3 
Having a era haha omegalul
2019-07-22 14:22
Hahaha so retarded
2019-08-04 18:54
They won the Grand Slam in 2 months while Astralis had to take like 9 months to win it
2019-07-22 04:17
SO? It doesn't make them goat by winning shitty IGS status, they just won 5 big events, that's it.
2019-07-22 13:31
IGS = biggest thing you can win in CS It literally measure who is best of all time and goat
2019-08-25 11:23
igs is just 4 tournaments win at esl we've had several teams that won 6 tournaments at once, but igs didnt exist at the time, so it make igs status more irrelevant
2019-08-25 16:02
i mean they beat what everyone would most likely consider the greatest team to ever play the game intel grand slam record in just 60 days, a lot of people would also agree that's harder to do then just winning a major.
2019-07-23 02:01
NA LUL
2019-07-15 16:21
#36
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United States Samsquanch_ 
No scene talking trash
2019-07-15 17:02
NA LUL
2019-07-15 17:03
#47
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Belgium OMEGALUL
2019-07-15 17:06
NA OMEGALUL
2019-07-15 17:07
They hav scream hedshot machin men))
2019-07-16 14:38
NA LUL
2019-07-15 16:42
#134
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Poland arePoles 
He is from Poland btw
2019-07-16 06:54
#5
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United States Trump2020KAG 
LETS GO LIQUID
2019-07-15 16:43
Nawh lets go NRG and Cloud9
2019-07-15 16:45
#18
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United States Trump2020KAG 
LETS GO NA
2019-07-15 16:49
lets go
2019-07-15 16:53
#38
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United States Samsquanch_ 
This. We’ve got 3 squads that are lookin mean.
2019-07-15 17:03
A team with Koosta, Daps, and Tenz can’t look mean.
2019-07-15 17:07
#67
shox | 
Turkey SiegHe1l 
lmfao
2019-07-15 17:48
I didn't mean it in that way, but that also applies, I suppose.
2019-07-15 18:11
#98
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Yeah? You saw their T side vs liquid on inferno? Arguably the best CT sided inferno team in the game right now? If you didn’t, go check it out; then go shove your foot in your fucking mouth you idiot. That’s after 1 week as a team. You don’t know shit about CS you dumb bastard.
2019-07-15 19:59
Indicative of nothing, worm. They'll be playing in MDL and DreamHack Opens with other tier 3 teams, where they belong, soon enough.
2019-07-15 20:19
#109
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United States Samsquanch_ 
XDDD where they belong. 1 week of practice as a team and they took a map off of faze. Ok noscene, enjoy your autismic shit talk.
2019-07-15 21:00
Autismic, an insult fit for a hick. Fuck off.
2019-07-15 21:14
Shut the hell up you toxic ass. There's no reason to be an ass here.
2019-07-16 06:24
#6
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Germany DrinkWaterNOW 
NA > EU cant deny that
2019-07-15 16:43
#8
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
nt fakeflagger
2019-07-15 16:46
#9
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Germany DrinkWaterNOW 
not fakeflag my neighbour
2019-07-15 16:46
#16
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
men I thought Germans were more patriotic :( but overall EU>NA still, but Liquid is the best team in the world rn, ngl
2019-07-15 16:48
#19
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Germany DrinkWaterNOW 
well some of them are but then they are NaCi but i dont get the point in being extremly patriotic
2019-07-15 16:52
#21
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
Yep, dont understand too much patriotism either, nonsense
2019-07-15 16:53
#215
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Other nt_newfag 
its NaCl
2019-07-20 10:55
NaCi? what is that?
2019-07-20 12:08
u know it men dont make me say it
2019-07-20 15:18
No, I don't so could you tell it?
2019-07-21 09:37
replace the C with an Z friendo
2019-07-22 00:40
#24
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United States fatburger 
Wait a German agreeing with an american?? wtf is going on in this thread
2019-07-15 16:56
#26
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United States Azuhh 
unexpected
2019-07-15 16:57
they are by far smartest people in eu so no surprise there
2019-07-19 19:26
#10
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Spain elskio 
not even close lul
2019-07-15 16:46
#59
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United States GrandNagusZek 
eu astralis fan jealous that GOAT goes to America :))
2019-07-15 17:39
You have one team that is dominating after so much years , i would be just happy and quiet
2019-07-16 07:05
#153
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
It'll stay this way, just like Brazil, except NA has relatively less fakeflaggers
2019-07-16 14:32
Well, since we have the best team of all teams I think it is easy to understand why we make so much noise at the moment :))))))) America is best and EU is 2nd tier while we are 1:)
2019-07-16 16:32
#259
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Sweden swediztann3 
0 majors luuul its fkn 2019 20 years old game and they havent won majoroooohjjpoo
2019-07-21 11:40
who cares about major anyway? its just one tournament among others, nothing special to it GOAT = dominating while skill level is highest
2019-07-21 13:10
#275
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Sweden swediztann3 
skillevel isnt highest lul. the last 2 years there has only been one good team first it was astralis, then chokoquid, which propably chokes in the quarter final of the major xD
2019-07-21 16:00
+1 if he thinks the skill level is the highest now with teams like vitality #2 and ence #4 he has problems
2019-07-21 16:29
just admit u are mad that in 1.6 swedish was best all long, but in GO u are in bottom :)))
2019-08-07 16:24
#522
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Sweden swediztann3 
sweden was best in csgo all the time from 2012-2016-03. only last 3 years. yes in 2019 usa hasnt won a major. lul roflmao. sweden bottom in go, we have like 30x more history and achievements than na ever had.
2019-08-07 21:28
exactly: you are history
2019-08-08 16:56
#529
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Sweden swediztann3 
and you are none.
2019-08-08 17:46
None? (I think you confused to you now) We are best of all time and dominating current ERA :)
2019-08-09 18:38
#538
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Sweden swediztann3 
na won a major and a couple of tournaments, alot of other teams has done that aswell and thats not countries with 300b population. so yeah, you are none. its a 6 years old and all you got are a couple on wins xD
2019-08-09 18:58
We are best of all time in CS, you just have to swallow it ;)
2019-08-09 19:00
#542
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Sweden swediztann3 
youre not even on the top 5 list lul
2019-08-09 19:11
2019-08-13 16:21
#198
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
An American team can never be GOAT. Y'all NA people have smaller IQ n dat a fact. Y can't deny it that y'all busta ass muthaphuckkas
2019-07-17 20:59
#11
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Germany jnsl 
no
2019-07-15 16:47
#12
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
Let me take a look: Liquid... 0majors Gambit... 1major Gambit goat? 🤔🤔
2019-07-15 16:47
#27
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United States Azuhh 
fluke major?
2019-07-15 16:58
Same goes to cloud9 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-07-15 17:04
#60
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United States Azuhh 
yea man no shit lol
2019-07-15 17:41
C9 should thank Karrigan for winning that major
2019-07-15 18:53
#43
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Seriously lmao they beat immortals to win a major XDDDD
2019-07-15 17:04
who cares about majors expect kids?
2019-07-20 19:37
0/8
2019-07-15 16:47
#14
gAuLeS | 
Canada Yohazin 
NA LOL
2019-07-15 16:48
#15
NAF | 
Europe aches 
they need majors to be the goat like 3 majors minimum and be extreamly dominant and if they flop the starladder major by only getting like quarter finals theyre gona fall down a bit
2019-07-15 16:48
#17
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
+1
2019-07-15 16:48
#25
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United States fatburger 
So astralis wasn’t “goat” Because they only won two majors in their era?
2019-07-15 16:57
#32
NAF | 
Europe aches 
lolwhat dude they were dominant they won those majors with ease and nobody could really beat them untill they started taking the long break since atm anyone can beat anyone thats why its so tense so any team can win the starladder major and if astralis do they can start a new era who knows faze could and guardian retiers with neo or vitality win and french cs starts its new era what liquid have done as the start of their era is impresive winning like 4 t1 tournaments in a row and winning igs but they need to win like 2 majors back to back to be considerd goats and they have to do it with ease
2019-07-15 17:00
#44
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Anyone can beat anyone? Have a look at the last 5 tournaments Ty
2019-07-15 17:05
#50
NAF | 
Europe aches 
i said they can and if you look at matchs with liquid its typicaly close but liquid do have a tendency to choke in majors like no team will be considerd goat without winning a major or two if you simply just win t1 tournament and flop in majors you arent a goat team
2019-07-15 17:07
#69
Brehze | 
United States Bramz 
Astralis was infamous for choking originally.... they had the same sort of start as Liquid...
2019-07-15 17:51
#99
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Intel grand slam in 63 days You’re pathetic
2019-07-15 20:02
How many of those events did they encounter real competetion? Astralis still not attending shit (whats going on) ENCE not attending shit Navi out with roaster change Renegades got fucked by visa issues NRG lul faZe changing roaster aswell in that periode. Vitality is the only team that has been competetive the last 63 days Liquid has been dominant. Let’s see how they do, when the top teams once again establish them self.
2019-07-16 14:11
#225
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Australia DrunkChef 
_1
2019-07-20 12:10
+1
2019-07-21 16:31
"nobody could really beat them" "anyone can beat anyone" ????????? Astralis lost tournaments & series all the time, Liquid's currently going 16-0 as far as LAN series go, if you restrict that to just relatively meaningful events (IE not CS Summit, BLAST arguably isn't a meaningful event but it's still one teams prepare for a lot more than CS Summit) they're going 23-0 (2 of which were at EPL S9 groups, don't count those if you don't want to), something Astralis NEVER accomplished. (Astralis at most got 9-0 on LAN) Right now Liquid's more unbeatable than Astralis ever was
2019-07-16 06:34
No.... Astralis had to fight good teams when they where #1. Liquid in almost every fucking final. So 16 wins in a row on lan? Mind including what teams these NA gods had to win against? Pretty much no one They beat astralis 1 time and what the fuck happened in that match. Never seen so many successful B retakes on inferno in my life. faze twice (roaster change gj) Navi twice (knife simple and roaster change gj) ENCE 0 times Vitality 1 time Gooooood joooob NA gods, goat in the best cs era ever!!!! Stfu
2019-07-16 14:30
Wow that's very toxic & you definitely need to see someone but that's for another day. Astralis had to fight good teams, let's look at the good teams FaZe (has been weak since Boston 2018) Na'Vi (has always been strong, is stronger now & Liquid still beat them twice) Gooooood joooob EU gods, goat in the best cs era ever!!!! Seriously name any good teams that were contenders for titles in 2018, I'll wait. Current Vitality > 2018 Na'Vi Current ENCE > 2018 FaZe Current Na'Vi > 2018 Na'Vi Liquid has beaten all of those teams, you seem to forget that 2018 Liquid destroyed 2018 Na'Vi & 2018 FaZe then proceeded to choke in the finals vs Astralis. Also you bring up roster change but have you ever heard of a honeymoon period in a roster? It's what won C9 the major so you must have heard of it.
2019-07-16 19:50
So you argue = Liquid GOAT?
2019-07-16 20:32
This is an international site, please write your comment in English.
2019-07-17 04:12
They won the intel grand slam way faster than astralis
2019-07-15 17:00
#35
NAF | 
Europe aches 
yes it is true but that doesnt make them goat since its only season 2 of it and they do need major titels like no team will be a goat contender without a major win liquid have somthing to capitalise on and make an insane era but will they is the question
2019-07-15 17:02
They didnt really encounter competetion in those intel events, did they tho?
2019-07-16 14:32
Yeah astralis isn’t consider competition. But besides that most top 10 teams are present, astralis had no competition on the other hand
2019-07-17 07:29
#435
gla1ve | 
Denmark topres 
Exactly, and people forget Astralis skipped lots of intel events because they didn't just target the grand slam. They just got it as a part of their domination, Liquid deliberately went to all intel events.
2019-08-01 20:27
lol? it has only been few weeks, chill down and what do you mean, cs has never a been as competetive as now. faze is in shithole, astralis has lost their individual skill, only vitality real challengers and on top of that, yesterday liquid struggled a lot against c9 lul
2019-07-15 16:54
#29
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United States fatburger 
“Few weeks” its been 2 and a half months
2019-07-15 16:58
still, the point remains the same. too early to call them goat
2019-07-15 17:03
#53
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United States fatburger 
It’s not an era or anything yet but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was
2019-07-15 17:07
#55
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Sweden Bakkmann 
You cant be goat in 2 months in a game that has been out for like 7 years.
2019-07-15 17:08
#30
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United States Azuhh 
c9 is actually looking like a solid top 10 player with tenz, tenz is such a fucking great player ngl
2019-07-15 16:58
yeah, but still. liquid should be on another level compared to c9, it shouldn't even be close
2019-07-15 17:04
#100
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
What about all the teams that have improved and Astralis is still a very good team. Or are you just going to delusionally downplay Furia, Ence, NRG, Navi, G2 and Mouz making improvements? On top of the fact that the game is more detailed and structured than ever with unprecedented levels of skill.
2019-07-15 20:06
FURIA is okay Ence has started to drop down incase you're missing it NRG are playing under new leadership, which nobody knows if even workout (idk why they kicked daps tbh, even tho he had some individual skill issues) Na'Vi too early to call them good, still need to wait and see, but they showed some promise G2 idk tbh Mouz? idk, still a lot to prove Anyways, it's still a long way to go for liquid to be called goat.
2019-07-15 20:47
#105
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
And yet every single one of these teams is stronger than they were last year and better than the teams that held the same spot in the ranking last year. Theres simply more teams competing for top 10 spots atm. Obviously it's going to take a while just due to the fact that Astralis run was legendary but this is absolutely the start of an era. twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1150637443965.. If those arent era defining statistics then I guess the only era weve had is the Astralis one. Even NBK agreed.
2019-07-15 20:55
No? Navi has dropped mouz still has a long way to go NRG, as i already said, are in the process of making changes ENCE, G2, FURIA yeah. i'm not denying it's not an era, i'm just saying, that it's too early to call it a goat era, god dammit
2019-07-15 20:57
#111
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Navi has dropped? By adding a better player and consistently making top 4s still occasionally winning? Please actually try to be logical. Mouz is still super scary and much better than whatever team was 10th last year, think it was North with MSL. NRG are still better than they ever were in terms of results and rank this year. Obviously they arent the GOAT, but your reasoning for that is shabby, it has nothing to do with the competition.
2019-07-15 21:02
navi making consistently top4s? after their recent addition, how many tournaments did they event attend? It was north with cadian, in 10th place. it's hard to remember, but they had some OK runs Yeah, NRG are better this year, but again, as i mentioned 100 times, they changed their leadership sadly, which might result in NRG dropping yeah, i used wrong arguments there. let's say its not a goat era because they still have a long way to go in terms of their dominance, they still have a major to win (maybe several of them), break some records and etc.
2019-07-15 21:12
Djokovic
2019-07-15 16:58
#33
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Denmark Azyyy 
1. they didn't even win 1 major yet 2. how is it the most competetive era when their best competitor is a team getting carried by a newcomer, their "era" is only 2 months long until now, astralis was 1 year. We can have this discussion when they dominated for 1 year, won 2 majors in that time and all that without 1 roster change.
2019-07-15 17:00
#108
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Its not just about length it's about the number of tournaments in that time span and it's much closer to 4 months than it is 2. twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1150637443965.. You dont need a major for an era. This is 100% the start of an era. The competition is very stiff. The top 10 is way more stacked than it was last year. Navi has improved and were the #3 team last year and this year cant even break into the top 5. Vitality are incredibly structured, Ence are resilient and super detailed, Astralis is still an amazing team, NRG peaked this year, Furia, Mouz, G2, Fnatic all severely improved.
2019-07-15 20:58
#119
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Denmark Azyyy 
i fully agree with you and i think this is an era aswell, im arguing against the point that they are the goat, i dont really know what your point is xD
2019-07-15 22:59
#127
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
My point is the competition is even stronger this year and is only improving as there are many young teams in the top 10 so they might need even need the same length of dominance if the competition outweighs Astralis.
2019-07-16 04:58
#141
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Denmark Azyyy 
I think, that they definitely need the same length, astralis had very harsh competition at the beginning of the year, like Faze who almost took the grand slam of them, liquid had nothing like that, you can sing vitalitys praises all day but it was clear to everyone that liquid would win this grand slam in no time, it wasn't like that for astralis, and even the eye test is very different to me, when I looked at peak astralis i saw pure dominance in every aspect of the game, and it was very very rare for any team to even get double digits against them, even on their own map. When I look at liquid now I still see some crackles like their very slow start in tournaments and how they look very beatable in groups (example: hltv.org/matches/2334592/liquid-vs-mvp-p.. ) but they still get out of it because of the insane skill they have on their team. I would also still say that peak astralis would definitely win against peak liquid, but that's just what the eye test tells me, so for liquid to have an era that could surpass astralis´ era they would at least have to get as many if not more big titles under their belt, but that's just my opinion :).
2019-07-16 13:56
#141
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Denmark Azyyy 
I think, that they definitely need the same length, astralis had very harsh competition at the beginning of the year, like Faze who almost took the grand slam of them, liquid had nothing like that, you can sing vitalitys praises all day but it was clear to everyone that liquid would win this grand slam in no time, it wasn't like that for astralis, and even the eye test is very different to me, when I looked at peak astralis i saw pure dominance in every aspect of the game, and it was very very rare for any team to even get double digits against them, even on their own map. When I look at liquid now I still see some crackles like their very slow start in tournaments and how they look very beatable in groups (example: hltv.org/matches/2334592/liquid-vs-mvp-p.. ) but they still get out of it because of the insane skill they have on their team. I would also still say that peak astralis would definitely win against peak liquid, but that's just what the eye test tells me, so for liquid to have an era that could surpass astralis´ era they would at least have to get as many if not more big titles under their belt, but that's just my opinion :). edit: dont know why but hltv posted this twice
2019-07-16 13:58
need to be this dominant for much longer imo. it's like we've already forgotten how much better astralis was than any other team in the scene. liquid is a great team, by far the best in the world, and what they've done so far has been extremely impressive, but they need to keep it up for maybe another couple majors (and win both of them) before we can have the goat conversation.
2019-07-15 17:01
#120
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Denmark Azyyy 
+1
2019-07-15 22:59
Goat without major hahahahah ok
2019-07-15 17:03
#48
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
No major, no era, remember it
2019-07-15 17:05
Too early, they don't even have a Major win.
2019-07-15 17:06
Nt BileDani
2019-07-15 17:07
#61
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Poland KubaMeisterYT 
Liquid the best atm , but not goat
2019-07-15 17:43
+1 Maybe someday Liquid fanboys will understand that being the best for two months doesn't make them the goat
2019-07-15 17:46
#65
shox | 
Turkey SiegHe1l 
Fucking na retards coming from their caves but no chokequid won't win the fucking major
2019-07-15 17:47
They need to do about twice as much + at least 1 major
2019-07-15 17:48
Not yet maybe If they win next 2 majors we can talk about this
2019-07-15 17:50
astralis was the goat of csgo, no one will never be so dominant like them they were just perfect, liquid is playing in the same level as before, they can have a era in the future after major but they can't be the goat
2019-07-15 17:52
+1
2019-07-15 18:46
#71
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Brazil JMB_17 
Kkkkkk
2019-07-15 17:52
#77
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Blast and competitive name more iconic joke duo
2019-07-15 18:25
Germany and internet
2019-07-15 18:41
#395
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Switzerland KICK_RPG_FFS 
germany and respecting others
2019-07-24 19:58
#396
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
You need to earn respect. This isn't something you get for free.
2019-07-24 19:59
#397
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Switzerland KICK_RPG_FFS 
says the guy from country whose most famous guy was Hd0l6 A1tl3r
2019-07-24 20:00
#398
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Hitler was Austrian. And the most famous guys are probably one of them Einstein, Gauß, Kant, Bismark, Marx
2019-07-24 20:02
As long as they are not better than Astralis where before they took there break, as long as they would not be able to beat that Astralis, they ofc can not be the greatest of all time.. Super simple. They havent even changed cs, taken it to a new level. They dont even have an era yet. 2 or 3 teams in cs go history have had an era.. TL is not one of them. yet anyway.
2019-07-15 18:46
You are right that 3 teams had era: Team Liquid, SK/LG and Cloud9 (short one)
2019-07-20 08:39
Must be sad to plan ones life and thoughs right or wrong only based on where you live on what other tells you you must sopport no matter what. Life is way better when you dont follow something blindly.
2019-07-20 10:39
"Life is way better when you dont follow something blindly." You believe blindly that Liquid isn't best, when everybody else sees it that they are And my countries GDP > yours
2019-07-20 10:56
Thanks for making my point.. I love how I dont need to say anything, because everything you say simply prooves the facts..
2019-07-20 11:06
Finally we agree on something, and finally you speak sense. Good that we can agree that Liquid is GOAT and that GDP tells who is where :)
2019-07-20 17:35
Sorry I dont deal in fantasies make beliefs or nationalist wish thinking... Facts only please.. Only points you prove is why you say those things.,, You dont help those views. nor bring any claim to them. You just show well the world who you are and why you say what you say. thus making my points. However now that it has been settled.. no need in having you continue this. Even I will at some point feel sorry for you.
2019-07-20 17:46
Read my first post and use brain. End of this conversation. I feel sad for you, you clearly got big problems.
2019-07-20 19:17
What a reply.. This "conversation" ended before you said anything.. Again... humankind is really lucky to have you.. Clearly you are special.. Able to make replies on this scale.. without any intelligens or sense of reality.. You are doing the american thing, and even though the rest of the world knows. im sure they are proud of your blind faith..
2019-07-20 21:37
I feel sad for you, you clearly got big problems. you got delusions, seek help and you mgiht get it
2019-07-21 09:01
Again... the way you reply is just a amazing... Wow.. Not only making my points. But having to use the exact things I say to you where they actually make sense to what you do against me where they dont make sense since im not doing what you are doing.. Well.. its not your fault if that is what you are cabable of ofc.. everyone is different and have there limits. not everyone can be intelligent, learn and have information and history.. However I think it would help you to know your own limits to not put your self out this way only to fall so far.
2019-07-21 12:11
I feel sad for you, you clearly got big problems. you got delusions, seek help and you might get it
2019-07-28 19:05
#585
oskar | 
Czech Republic PaYaB 
Nice try, but you'll never convince a dumb person not to be dumb...
2019-08-25 11:06
I cant help it... I feel sorry for the american people many of them have been given a hard lot in life... But you are right.. sometimes you can just shake your head and hope they make it somehow.
2019-08-25 11:39
#86
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United States BlindSnipe 
too soon junior... give it a little bit longer to claim this.
2019-07-15 18:46
you tried, but no.. or not yet at least.. liquid have been dominant when everything else has been shit..
2019-07-15 18:52
#92
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France ripmypickems 
I don't see back to back majors, in fact I don't even see 1 major lmao
2019-07-15 18:54
#95
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Mexico LEWORb 
Win at least two majors, then we talk about that. I mean, being the best team for the last 4 month is a lot to say, and congrats to them but they still have to last longer at the top to consider them the GOAT of teams.
2019-07-15 19:30
You are basicly saying that the team thats top 1 att the moment is the goat team, thats just stupid
2019-07-15 19:34
not goat but could be definitely incredibly good
2019-07-15 20:58
#112
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Sweden fxzo 
flag checks out
2019-07-15 21:03
Not yet at least
2019-07-15 21:09
I SAID THIS BEFORE USA IS #1 USA IS #1 Its the era of the United States of America Cloud9 Major winner was just the beginning, we got so much more in the bag! Faze? gone Navi/mouz? LOSERbracket THE WINNERBRACKET IS BETWEEN TWO US TEAMS: NRG and the worlds Number ONE: TEAM LIQUID
2019-07-15 23:00
#122
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Portugal NabasKi 
no and stop with that already
2019-07-15 23:02
#123
NAF | 
Romania hush_ 
Another noob who sees some kids like naf and twistzz landing some amazing headshots and considering Liquid team "goat" FML.. Anything that team liquid is doing right now was already done by a lot of other people in the past, shox, olof, get_right, f0rest etc and etc... ( real guys will know what i'm talkin' about ) And also, how the actual fuck can you consider Liquid goat when they don't even have close to the accomplishments and winnigs of teams like fnatic, Astralis or even SK/MIBR.. ? And yes, they NEED to win majors. Why the fuck you think they are called "majors" for some god forsaken reason? GOD! These fuckin' kids these days... let them free for a couple of seconds and they comeback pooping in your head.. guys like you should have been taught respect the hard way. xoxo
2019-07-15 23:11
#126
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United States jay_320 
They do need to win a major but let's not start acting like what they've done isn't super impressive. They've already written themselves into the CSGO history books for the 4/4 Grand Slam title. Their 2019 in totality is among the best years we've seen out of a team. Really it's just Astralis and Fnatic that have outpaced them. LG/SK won a single tournament in between major wins and their tournament run with Boltz wasn't nearly as impressive as Liquid's has been.
2019-07-16 00:20
#138
NAF | 
Romania hush_ 
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Yeah, they won the Intel Grand Slam but yet again it is something fairly new introduced. SK run in 2017 when they won not 4 but 7 events in a row isn't impressive ? If back then existed Intel Grand Slam would you call them goats ? Here's what I think it's the thing with Liquid. They are NOT the goats BUT they are maybe the only team who has the BIGGEST potential right now to become the goats IF and only IF they continue their oustanding performances and win majors.
2019-07-16 09:47
#169
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United States jay_320 
No I wouldn't call them the goat because even if the Grand Slam existed then they wouldn't have won it. We are talking about a fucking Dreamhack Open event and a CS Summit. Liquid's run of five is MUCH more impressive. Not only that but look who actually played in those tournaments. People talk about how IEM Sydney was relatively barren? Only two maybe three of these events SK won were actually stacked events. DreamHack Open DreamHack Open Summer 2017 Jun 17 - 19, 2017 $100,000 8 Sweden Jönköping SK Fnatic ESL One ESL One: Cologne 2017 Jul 4 - 9, 2017 $250,000 16 Germany Cologne SK C9 Esports Championship Series Season 3 - Finals Jun 23 - 25, 2017 $660,000 8 United Kingdom London SK FaZe ESL Pro League ESL Pro League Season 5 - North America Feb 7 - May 11, 2017 $125,000 14 North America Online SK Liquid Intel Extreme Masters Intel Extreme Masters XII - Sydney May 3 - 7, 2017 $200,000 8 Australia Sydney SK FaZe cs_summit 1 Apr 20 - 23, 2017 $150,000 8 USA Los Angeles SK At any rate I never said they were the GOAT team. But they certainly could be.
2019-07-16 19:08
+10000 Anyway whole TL together is far behind shoxie skill.
2019-07-16 14:30
#125
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United States jay_320 
Not yet. But they could be. I'd argue their run already is better then anything SK/LG ever achieved. SK's tournament run wasn't near as impressive and they only won one tournament between their major victories. I'd consider a grand slam and an exhibition tournament better but I'll accept arguments to the contrary. Anyway Fnatic and Astralis were still more impressive cores/teams for an entire year. From Liquid's initial win at IBP masters over Astralis to their win at Blast here they are having a hell of a year major or not. Probably a top 3 year. They've dwarfed 2017/early 18 Faze at this point. Topped anything French CS was ever able to pull off in a row. I mean 2018 Astralis was just SOO good it's going to be hard to ever top that but I'd say it's in the cards at this point. The only team I can see really stopping them is Astralis and they appear to be in a major funk at this point.
2019-07-16 00:17
#128
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Switzerland Jeded 
Prime Astralis would slap Liquid back to that Semi-Final against LG, let's be real here.
2019-07-16 05:00
#129
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United States stephcurry30 
contending for GOAT in skill - only prime astralis can match them definitely not GOAT in terms of achievements, yet. tho achievements now r definitely more impressive than say NiP when everything was at its early stages etc
2019-07-16 06:01
in 2014 you had fnatic, nip, dignitas, ldlc, vp, titan, in 2015 you had fnatic, tsm, vp, nip, navi, envy in 2016 you had sk, astralis, navi, vp, g2, nip, dignitas in 2017 you had sk, faze, astralis, navi, g2, vp, gambit in 2018 you had faze, liquid, astralis, mibr, mouz, navi in 2019 you have furia, nrg, ence, vitality, north and g2 in top 10
2019-07-16 06:53
NA CS LOL =D
2019-07-16 07:01
Era? XD they won 2 tournaments.
2019-07-16 10:14
#140
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
Dumb swedish
2019-07-16 10:14
#144
NEO | 
Indonesia mrowkpio 
They need to win 4 majors to be considered goat
2019-07-16 14:02
1st for few months Goat US brain is ok
2019-07-16 14:27
They are not the greatest of all time. Yet. They could become that but right now Astralis cemented themselves as the greatest of all time back in 2018. Liquid could certainly make it there one day though.
2019-07-16 14:32
Liquid seems like fnatic 2015, everyone can kill
2019-07-16 14:46
No
2019-07-16 16:37
"It's a long way to the top If you wanna rock 'n' roll"
2019-07-16 20:28
#176
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Germany JoooookER 
they are on the brinck of an era and the best atm but not of all time nip, fnatic, astralis
2019-07-16 20:28
+1
2019-07-20 12:28
#245
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2019-07-20 18:41
top meme
2019-07-16 20:36
no
2019-07-16 21:38
#185
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Brazil bandicoot 
The present moment is always the leading edge in skill, personally I think what fnatic did and the cs culture back then, was the most impressive
2019-07-16 21:38
how many times we need to discuss it..
2019-07-16 21:40
too many times
2019-07-20 08:43
G2>MIBR and G2 vs Liquid at EPL Finals: Dust2: Liquid Wins in Overtime Overpass: Liquid Wins EZ Nuke: G2 Wins EZ Inferno: Liquid wins by 1hp point If G2 Flip Dust2 and Inferno, they win the series 3-1 Totally doable
2019-07-17 19:35
I don't know if 'best ever', but they are pretty good. Astralis had the record for most consecutive LAN series wins in a row (17), until Liquid broke it (currently at 20 in a row). However, Liquid hasn't won any Majors, and a lot of people will point to that. Astralis, SK, and Fnatic have won multiple majors.
2019-07-19 18:52
astralis 3 major fnatic 3 major lulquid 0 major
2019-07-19 19:29
+1
2019-07-20 12:27
#274
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Denmark Jonasnhj 
+1
2019-07-21 14:53
#217
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Other nt_newfag 
imagine being goat with 2 month "era" without major
2019-07-20 11:01
#223
sergej | 
Finland AxuZD 
+1
2019-07-20 11:21
0/8 They're 2 months at the top and Americans get cocky They struggle against low tier teams and are mkr dominant at all. And they don't have an era, if they can keep this up for 10 mkre months then I might consider them the gist team but astralis was the most dominant in cs history
2019-07-20 12:11
Thats tipycal to America, they consier themselves like the greatest country and start to cry when they think they become "the best" in something
2019-08-04 10:43
no they play very good and skilled cs but no they are not goat not even close sorry
2019-07-20 12:13
they are good but not GOAT yet, not even a major. that's all that really matters.
2019-07-20 12:25
good bait liquid dont have an era yet but they probably will and so far fnatic or astralis have best era in csgo
2019-07-20 12:26
They only are 1st because Astralis is in a slump. Lets see what happens at the major. If Astralis are back on track they will destroy Liquid.
2019-07-20 12:32
Dumbest argument ever. You can't attribute one team rising to the top because another team fell off. Would love to see your analysis of the previous three months of Astralis's games compared to their "prime" so I can hear why you think they fell off. Just because they are getting beat doesn't mean they fell off. If you bench 400 and were known as the strongest in the gym and someone came in and benched 405 one day, that doesn't mean you fell off.
2019-07-21 10:38
By your logic Vitality must be the 2nd best team of all time then? Since they are ranked #2 in the most competitive era? You have to compare teams with their contemporary opposition when talking about goats etc.
2019-07-20 12:36
#260
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United States stephcurry30 
would u say the romans or mongols were GOAT when they would be spanked by any modern military?
2019-07-21 12:01
Nice deflection! Are Vitality 2nd best of all time? Are Ence the new goats if they win today? Both roms and mongs are def contenders btw.
2019-07-21 13:48
#291
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United States stephcurry30 
im not even arguing against u, did u mistake me for the OP? to answer ur question: no, but as time passes teams r getting better and better, vitality and ence r easily better than all teams pre-2015. and back to my point how would roms and mongs be GOAT if they would lose to modern military 100% of the time? Greatest of ALL TIME.
2019-07-21 22:05
Seems like you are... But the scene always improves, so according to your logic, whoever beats the current #1 is automatically the goat. To answer your question: they were more superior over their contemporaries. This is how you measure historic performances. This is why names like Ali, Gretzky, Jordan, Pele and Ruth etc will live on forever in their sports, despite the fact that they wouldn't stand a chance against the elites of today.
2019-07-22 01:09
#298
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United States stephcurry30 
i should be more specific, generally teams get better and better due to a better understanding of the possible tactics and strategies in CS as time goes on. that is undeniable. however its not as simple as the current #1 is the GOAT, theres many factors that go into it such as achievements not just raw matchups. if we're talking about which team would win in a match we would have to draw from the eye test and some speculation as well as deciding which time period the match would be played as thats significant. is NiP's absolutely dominant 87-0 unmatchable? yes, amazing achievement that may never be matched. does that make them the GOAT? no. why? well do u think the same NiP that went 87-0 would be even be able to become a top 10 team today? very unlikely. in the GOAT u have to consider both direct matchups as well as achievements. now how would 2015 fnatic and 2017 sk match up against ence and vitality assuming tec 9 and cz has todays stats? wat do u think? they certainly dont have the achievements of fnatic and sk yet. back to roms and mongs i was specifically talkin about the GOAT, not how they compare against their contemporaries because thats irrelevant in the GOAT conversation if their era is weaker than the modern one. that is ofc assuming their level at the time w/out access to modern tech otherwise it would be mere speculation. based off these metrics mongs and roms cant be GOAT. and those names u listed some of them would still be in GOAT convo according to todays standards like MJ but others like Ruth would probably be pretty average if they played today despite their achievements back then
2019-07-22 01:48
This is getting severely idiotic. Basically everything is progressing, meaning that the current era will always be stronger than any previous. This either means that the current #1 is automatically the GOAT, or that we have to compare with contemporaries. Most dominant in their era = goat. Everything else is irrelevant. Good night.
2019-07-22 02:06
#304
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United States stephcurry30 
if most dominant in their era = goat, then there would be multiple GOATs for one category. stop trying to spin the definition of GOAT to fit ur opinion, it doesnt make any sense
2019-07-22 02:12
#244
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Sweden Trkmag 
0/8, the era isn't competetive in particular
2019-07-20 18:40
I disagree. I think Astralis at their prime were more feared and people were actually scared to play against them. It came upto such a point where people asked " by how many rounds did astralis win" without even watching the game. If we look at liquid, it's mostly individual talent that's winning them games. Not to take away the team effort, of course the utility usage and communication also comes through. But in 1 match it's either Naf or Twistzz which pulls in high frags or it's elige when he goes nuts and gets 30+ kills in a game. Stewie being stable and always a very important player in whichever lineup he plays at. This team gels well together. But Astralis were like a good team all together. Everyone performed well and their chemistry was unreal. They started losing as they skipped tournaments which led to no match practice and lost their rhythm. So team liquid the g.o.a.t? I don't think so. Maybe if they win the upcoming major and keep on their dominance until 2019 ends... they will be high candidates to it. Not to take anything away from liquid. They are also on another level at the moment, but Astralis of last year were far superior than this current liquid.
2019-07-21 09:18
#279
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
This is a comment so that your hard work doesn't go in vain.
2019-07-21 16:15
Flag checks out.
2019-07-21 13:49
Op is just being provacative. Astralis is probably the best team from a coordination point of view, and more feared than probably any team since NiP was when in their prime or viscerally since SK was at their scariest, or Fnatic in 2015. Over a specific period of time, though; (statistically-speaking) only NiP can compare with their 87-0 record. And even here it depends on priorities. In big event LAN's Astralis was feared, but Liquid is now better. Astralis held the record for 17 LAN matches in a row won. If Liquid beat ENCE today, it'll be 22 and counting for them. They won the Intel Grand Slam in half the time Astralis did. If they beat ENCE it'll be 7 big LAN events in a row? Nobody has ever done that, Astralis, Fnatic, nobody. GOAT? I personally still can't say 'yes', because they still haven't won a Major. Fnatic has 3? SK has 2 or 3. Astralis as 1 or 2? VP and NiP have one. In order for Liquid to claim a seat at their table they need to win a Major. If they can win today and the upcoming Major, they will have an argument for one of the best ever.
2019-07-21 14:03
#272
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Yes beri competitive)) Vitality with 2v8 Astralis meh now NRG LUL FaZe good but inconsitnt ENCE Fluke Furia Fluke
2019-07-21 14:49
#273
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Denmark Jonasnhj 
Flag Checks out. Another retarded dumb American with an average IQ of 90.
2019-07-21 14:52
+1
2019-07-21 16:12
+1
2019-07-21 16:37
#408
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1
2019-07-25 06:42
#278
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
Stop mimicking old users
2019-07-21 16:15
Relax, Astralis are still better. The major will show it.
2019-07-21 16:40
The skill ceilling in 2014 was definitely higher even if the pro scene never got even close to maxing it.
2019-07-22 01:10
#572
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United States stephcurry30 
definitely not
2019-08-17 11:51
definitely yes.
2019-08-17 11:52
#574
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United States stephcurry30 
how
2019-08-17 11:55
Much lower spread % in AK and M4 (less rng , more skill based). Faster movement speed with scoped AWP. Faster colt rate of fire. Wider Bhop window. No flashbang throw sounds in certain surfaces or all surfaces i think. Client sided weapon firing prediction (MUCH LESS RANDOMNESS WHEN SPRAYING) The one real drawbacks from the 2014 build were the hitboxes and the CZ , tec9 was shit , Five seveN was meh , P250 was good , Deagle was roughly the same. I suggest you to try it , you can download the 2014 build , you'll be blown away.
2019-08-17 12:01
#577
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United States stephcurry30 
ahh the gtr, kenny, and jw nerfs. not to mention the ADAD + first bullet acc one that ruined scream. even so players like zywoo and stewie r taking the same peeks w/ awp at reduced movement speed w/ great success thanks to a better understanding of the game and utility usage. niko, twistzz, elige still have insane and consistent rifles despite the inaccuracies added to rifling. they would probably be even better if they transferred their current playstyle to back then ehh? point is while mainly shooting and movement mechanics regressed somewat due to the inclusion of rng (which makes for more realistic gameplay), tactics, strategy, utility usage, game sense has evolved to compensate for it. skill isnt just limited to firepower. thats also part of the reason why teams back then r on a lower lvl than teams today
2019-08-17 12:36
GOAT? Yahahahahaha
2019-07-22 01:11
If not Liquid, then who?
2019-07-22 17:40
#297
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Finland MeeTaZ 
1. Liquid 2. Astralis 3. Na'vi/Vitality 4. Vitality/Na'vi 5. Ence Just a ungly truth but Major will show kinda everything. Looking forward to tight games!
2019-07-22 01:13
you just say "only major will show kinda everything" because ence have been sucking big time and you need excuse for it
2019-08-03 15:56
Just back at this thread at laughed again. "I would say 100% yes because they have era during when CS never been as competitive and skilled as now." CS never been as competitive and skilled as now hahah, are u kidding me? Astralis in a slump Vitality 4bots+Zywoo, the team that just rely on one player ENCE fluke team FaZe - hahah dead team NRG just made a change Most likely the most poor period in cs scene ever, all team sucks, liquid got its peak when others team got into slump/changes
2019-08-04 11:01
Nobody is slump, we Americans are just too good for you europeans in this game :) You can't reach our skill level :)
2019-08-04 17:18
cry is free liquid gonna get destroyed by astralis at major E A S I L Y
2019-08-04 17:25
We have seen already who get destroyed by who and you Non-Americans get destroyed by us all the time :) Get used to it, its new reality :))
2019-08-04 17:28
Remember SK 2017? They were top 1 untill they faced Astralis at major. Same gonna happen with Liquid. Good luck)
2019-08-04 17:51
What happened to SK, already happened to Astralis BY LIQUID ;) Get used to reality :))
2019-08-04 18:20
CRY IS FREE SEE YA AT MAJOR!!!!!
2019-08-04 18:39
Liquid already did it to Astralis hahaha ;)
2019-08-04 18:48
Did what? The major start in 26 days
2019-08-04 18:53
Show their place to them, like to all other non-American teams as well ;)
2019-08-04 19:35
#584
oskar | 
Czech Republic PaYaB 
0/8 America isn't superior, wake up...
2019-08-25 10:54
Without a major it's absurd to even consider it
2019-07-22 02:09
1. Astralis 2. Fnatic 3. Liquid 4. LG/SK
2019-07-22 02:11
#308
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Brazil hugoooo 
LMAO So they are better than LG/SK with zero Major titles? For real?
2019-07-22 04:15
majors are honestly irrelevant to an era, thats like saying gambit had an era... also the biggest winstreak sk/lg had was 4 liquids current winstreak is 5
2019-07-22 08:22
#312
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Brazil hugoooo 
I will stop here, you just compared Gambit (biggest Major fluke ever) to a team that won to Majors and several other big lans.
2019-07-22 08:27
#470
NEO | 
Poland OmgBRS 
for me bigest fluke was C9 wining major in usa , it was so obevious while watching last 3 games of c9
2019-08-04 10:37
#469
NEO | 
Poland OmgBRS 
era without major is not era
2019-08-04 10:35
If they win major, yes. Very dominate results, in a bo3 finals they 3-0 with a 16-2 and 16-3
2019-07-22 04:13
bo5*
2019-07-22 04:14
Not even an era fucking delusional retards no major no era and that’s a fact
2019-07-22 05:02
No Major No GOAT /Close
2019-07-22 08:31
Haha, we have teams with +3 majors and this delusional fat cunt calls Chokequid 'GOAT'. Holy shit some kids are just dumb as fuck
2019-07-22 08:37
#316
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Australia Ohnorepo 
I might actually agree these days. Majors are important for sure, but so many other tournaments hold just as much prestige at this point that I could accept someone having an era without a major win. Getting the Grand Slam is far more difficult than winning one major.
2019-07-22 08:42
try tell that to eu fanboys who don't realize that winning a lot of big tournaments in row is harder than winning one major maybe when they grow up they see how lost their logic was
2019-07-22 16:16
Eras are defined by prestige. Thats why you would consider fnatic's period an era, because although they didnt win every tournament, they won the majors and biggest tournaments. Not dominance but very prestigious
2019-07-22 20:44
They have played well for 7 months, Astralis played well for over a year. Not even close. If Liquid continue dominance for the entire of 2019 then sure, they are GOAT
2019-07-22 09:23
#319
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Peru AgentLF 
EZ4LIQUID Now being serious, they deserved that #1 spot. Liquid might be a dominant team, but many teams are able to give a decent fight against them, unlike Astralis in 2018
2019-07-22 09:26
#321
NAF | 
Europe aches 
as in goat status they would need like 2 or 3 majors imo since yes winning the grandslam in what 60 days is insane its not a major theyre on the road to be the goat on csgo but they do need majors
2019-07-22 13:25
astralis era>liquid era (so far) delusional burger brain
2019-07-22 16:17
At this point you need at least 2 majors to beGOAT, if they keep playing like this that will be ez tho
2019-07-22 16:36
#333
fer | 
Brazil Pandapool 
Lol the teams is doing good for 4 months and burgers start saying GOAT. GOAT: >SK/LG >Astralis pick one
2019-07-22 16:45
#383
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United States jaeger_steam 
Fnatic >>>>>>>> sk/lg. Not even close. Current reasonable standings are: Astralis>fnatic>sk/lg>nip>liquid. Liquid, Nip, and sk/lg are interchangeable. Sk/lg had way too many group stage exits and not high placings during their run to be considered at all in that conversation. Plus their time on top was relatively short. The first was four months, with 2 majors and 2 other tournaments, before they went the entire second half of the year without winning another tournament. If the major spacing was as far as it is now, they probably would not have won a second one. And their 2017 run was also a relatively short one, with a number of t2/3 tournament wins in there to pad the total
2019-07-24 19:17
aug skilled pick one NA so funny
2019-07-22 19:07
#384
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United States jaeger_steam 
After aug nerf they are even more dominant. Aug has nothing to do with it.
2019-07-24 19:19
"they have era during when CS never been as competitive and skilled as now"
2019-07-24 19:26
>Elige with sg - pog >Elige before new sg - noob
2019-07-28 21:15
> 0 majors > GOAT pick one
2019-07-22 19:26
Liquid wouldn't have an Era if Astralis didnt decide to completly fall apart
2019-07-23 13:43
#356
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Yugoslavia Ivica 
still no majors won so no
2019-07-23 13:48
#364
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India pmoney911 
dumb american
2019-07-23 20:14
hell yeah they are
2019-07-23 21:06
#371
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Finland Jodecast 
Bet you will say that liquid has the best era ever when they dont even come close
2019-07-23 21:08
Tired of that bs lmao. Fans are complete delusional right now, they didn't even come close to astralis era, fnatic... nip... It's just beginning, chill. Btw it's impossible to have an era with 0 major, wait until that happens. And still 1 will not be sufficient imo, since astralis won 3.
2019-07-24 06:28
#374
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
They are clear cut number 1 and there is no sign of it stopping any time soon
2019-07-24 06:29
#385
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United States jaeger_steam 
Doesnt mean they are goat yet...cant be goat based on likely future wins...you have to actually win them first
2019-07-24 19:20
#381
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Denmark Xipingu 
Not yet. They need two consecutive majors now, and a year of domination without dropping more than maybe 1, can’t even drop 2 I think. So sit back and enjoy if it happens :) btw even there it would only be goat of csgo
2019-07-24 19:11
#386
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United States jaeger_steam 
Astralis dropped a couple, and padding their totals with a number of blasts. I agree that liquid really need to win 2 majors to cement as goat, but there are a couple situations that could at least make them in the running for it if they dont or drop a couple other tournaments.
2019-07-24 19:23
#392
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Denmark Xipingu 
Actually if they just win the 2 next majors, it’s sealed because of their faster grand slam run. However, it will all be about the second one, as Starladder should be in the bag imo.
2019-07-24 19:56
#394
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United States jaeger_steam 
You would think so. Player break is notorious for fucking teams up though
2019-07-24 19:57
#400
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Denmark Xipingu 
Yeah true, and that can of course play into their hands or play into others. I would like them to win this one though, because they have taken a lot of shit for their 2nd places, and a major would mean a whole lot.
2019-07-24 20:03
who need 2 majors when u can win vs Vitality something which Astralis never did
2019-07-24 19:25
#391
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Denmark Xipingu 
While true, this would be a 0/8 since you know that doesn’t mean they are goat.
2019-07-24 19:55
#382
FalleN | 
Poland ebz 
With every team is the same story xD "Never have been competitive as before"... That's wrong.
2019-07-24 19:11
#389
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United States jaeger_steam 
Competitveness is so intangible, everyone seems to have a different definition for it. Back in 2014/2015, we had 4 to 5 teams that could win a tournament on any day, but everyone else was complete garbage and were irrelevent. Last year, we really only had 1 team that was sure to win a tournament, but everyone in the top 20 could beat anyone else it seemed. 2 very different types of competitiveness. So yeah, i agree with you its stupid to make that argument by default.
2019-07-24 19:27
#390
FalleN | 
Poland ebz 
Yeah, thanks man, appreciate clear mind. Level of comptetitiveness is always the same. Players gave 100% from themselfes and tried they're best. It's normall that every competition is evolving with time, but for players - the stress level, the level they represents in sam period of time is similliar. Ofcourse S1MPLE 2018 is better than GetRight 2013/14 (im correct?) but GR was best two years in a row, Mr. Simple do the same and join the elite club "2 Y IN A ROW".
2019-07-24 19:36
GOATRALIS for 4th
2019-07-24 19:57
fuck off necroposter
2019-07-24 20:26
I used to love Liquid until NA attacks everywhere when they got #1 spot
2019-07-25 02:33
#409
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Denmark Xipingu 
Tbf, at Astralis’ prime there was also a shitton of Ast fans that really got offensive.
2019-07-25 06:44
I don't think this site includes danishes more than North Americans
2019-07-25 12:17
#414
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Denmark Xipingu 
Me neither, but a lot of the usual fake fan community if you can call it that also went completely ballistic.
2019-07-25 13:26
#402
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Sweden fxzo 
flags check out
2019-07-24 22:44
goat? ofc not lol
2019-07-24 23:05
but they are the most skilled lineup we've seen in a while, comparable to 2015 fnatic with dennis.
2019-07-24 23:06
#411
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United States @FyreCS 
Gambit winning major = era???? I aren’t think that mens)))
2019-07-25 06:47
GOAT would have to be winning every tournament for like 18 months. Since this has never happened, arguing who is GOAT is pretty much pointless, but everyone on this site is going to have their own official and accurate opinion of the GOAT.
2019-07-25 12:22
>the most competitive scene >having an era pick one
2019-07-28 18:58
"when CS never been as competitive and skilled as now" Are u fortnite player?
2019-07-28 21:12
#423
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Brazil hugoooo 
They are not goats, they are humans.
2019-07-28 21:23
Coming back when Liquid chokes the major
2019-07-28 22:03
#427
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Poland Astoner55 
Yeah Liquid is contending for the best era, but Astralis had like no contention for 8 months or so, a lot better era imo
2019-07-28 22:05
If they win 2 majors with dominance yes they can be the GOAT But Astralis is the goat, 3 majors, 2 back to back and the grand slam
2019-08-01 23:04
they have been the best team for 4-5 months, Astralis did it for a year and won 2 majors. No way they are close to Astralis RN. If they win 1/2 majors and continue to dominate this year then maybe, but we shall see. Also cs isnt that competitive at the top, Liquid and Astralis top teams, Vitality top team but will never beat Liquid because they rely on Zywoo too much (similar reason as to why Na'Vi never beat Astralis) and ENCE has no firepower.
2019-08-03 08:39
7 weeks era
2019-08-03 15:51
Don't get too cocky burger, Liquid has months ahead of them to prove that they are the goat.
2019-08-03 15:56
#465
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Denmark aimingyou 
calm your horses, top 1 for 2 months
2019-08-04 10:27
Astralis was much better comparing prime time. Nobody didn't even had a chance to win them in grand finals
2019-08-04 10:28
#467
NEO | 
Poland OmgBRS 
Astralis , Nip , Fnatic, Luminosity/SK eras best eras
2019-08-04 10:30
Hehehehe you makes the best thread on HLTV TheoTonin and we your fans loves you!
2019-08-04 10:34
Ive never understood people saying skill level is at its peek. Liquid has literally no competition, no players in top 10 are in their prime apart from Zywoo and Liquid players. No other team has made Liquid scared. Peek skill? Id say thata bullshit. Put prime KennyS vs current Nitr0. Put prime Dupreeh vs current Stewie. Put prime s1mple vs current Elige etc. No team can challenge = no competition No players can challenge = no competition Liquid dont require sick teamplay cos everyone is so far below I think its a lack of skill from other teams, not Liquid being so far ahead of everyone (who are also high). Astralia era > fnatic era > NiP era No other eras exist
2019-08-04 10:45
#515
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Russia Ypp1 
weird to hear it from NA guy, but u are right. If liquid will destroy new Na`Vi, may be good prepared Astralis, FaZe, ENCE and Vitality on next major then it could be new era.
2019-08-07 18:35
#477
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Denmark fnx_2_major 
obv best team ever
2019-08-04 11:40
yes
2019-08-04 17:44
#497
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
fox news says they are the goat LUL
2019-08-04 18:56
#499
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Austria Dontellme 
GOAT gives nice milk u dont so no
2019-08-04 19:30
Classic low IQ NA baiter
2019-08-07 16:20
No, delusional NA people :_DDDDD
2019-08-07 16:25
#514
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Russia Ypp1 
May be but... 1. Dunno what happened to Astralis, but it`s not top-1 Astralis. 2. Na`Vi played only 1 tournament last 3 month. 3. FaZe stupid shuffle. yes, rn is liquid Era, but they win fucking Vitality on finals... I hope Na`Vi, Astralis and FaZe will comeback on the major!! And we will see how good are Liquid. About competitive CS... Bro, last time happened a lot of shuffles, so u are not right. But next major gonna be hot.
2019-08-07 18:37
I don't think it's really that all of the other teams aren't good right now. During every top team "era" people would try to argue that the competition was weak. I'm pretty sure it's just because the team makes everyone look weak.
2019-08-08 17:05
Except, Astralis really dropped off suddenly and quite a bit. My guess is it's internal issue related to the org owning them and widespread dislike of them in the community.
2019-08-08 17:49
Well yeah, but they're not the best team in the world. When people say Liquid don't deserve what they have because they haven't beat Astralis I just get confused lol They beat Astralis all the time, and beat teams better than the current Astralis.
2019-08-08 17:52
I agree with you. At THIS MOMENT IN TIME, it is not an argument. Liquid is the best, right now. However, this is not the same as GOAT. It's difficult to make such an argument for a team that has not won any Majors and has dominance for only 3-4 months. If they want to be considered that, at the least most people will demand a minimum of a Major, if not two and a longer tenure at top.
2019-08-08 19:50
No. Astralis, still. If they win the Berlin Major and go on to win the next Intel Grand Slam, then a really good conversation can be had. Until then, it's not reasonable.
2019-08-08 17:48
#531
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Europe FJUL 
choker
2019-08-08 17:49
Flag checks out
2019-08-09 19:11
raw-skill-wise they're the GOAT but as a team, they have yet to prove the are yet.
2019-08-10 07:15
0 major fluke
2019-08-10 07:39
#549
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Sweden HM2 
obviously you are wrong, atm. liquid did one player transfer which upgraded their firepower, but they still wouldn't been able to beat 2018 astralis. if liquid continue the run they have now during the fall then we could start talking about being goat
2019-08-10 16:28
Post this again when they've gotten their fourth major win.
2019-08-10 16:42
#558
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Astralis have won 3 majors Liquid have won none Astralis were top1 for 1.5y Liquid have been top1 for like 4 months /closed
2019-08-15 20:56
#569
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Sweden Bakkmann 
+1
2019-08-17 11:10
3 months at the top with no Major, they are actually on the same spot than that Fnatic lineup with dennis. Six tournaments on a few months, they looked like the best thing ever but it fall apart on their peak.
2019-08-17 08:43
#586
oskar | 
Czech Republic PaYaB 
+1
2019-08-25 11:13
Fnatic didn't fall apart, Olof got injured which ended their run and when he returned he never looked the same.
2019-08-25 14:40
#571
BARBARR | 
Bulgaria gopko 
no lol
2019-08-17 11:25
greatest troll
2019-08-17 16:25
Here we are after over month people still think Liquid is G.O.A.T when they are not even goat.
2019-08-25 11:24
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2019-08-25 12:52
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2019-08-25 12:52
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