What have they done to be considered GOAT?
Let me take a look:
Gambit goat? 🤔🤔
they need majors to be the goat like 3 majors minimum and be extreamly dominant and if they flop the starladder major by only getting like quarter finals theyre gona fall down a bit
lol? it has only been few weeks, chill down
and what do you mean, cs has never a been as competetive as now. faze is in shithole, astralis has lost their individual skill, only vitality real challengers
and on top of that, yesterday liquid struggled a lot against c9 lul
1. they didn't even win 1 major yet 2. how is it the most competetive era when their best competitor is a team getting carried by a newcomer, their "era" is only 2 months long until now, astralis was 1 year. We can have this discussion when they dominated for 1 year, won 2 majors in that time and all that without 1 roster change.
need to be this dominant for much longer imo. it's like we've already forgotten how much better astralis was than any other team in the scene. liquid is a great team, by far the best in the world, and what they've done so far has been extremely impressive, but they need to keep it up for maybe another couple majors (and win both of them) before we can have the goat conversation.
Goat without major hahahahah ok
No major, no era, remember it
Too early, they don't even have a Major win.
Liquid the best atm , but not goat
Fucking na retards coming from their caves but no
chokequid won't win the fucking major
They need to do about twice as much + at least 1 major
Not yet maybe If they win next 2 majors we can talk about this
astralis was the goat of csgo, no one will never be so dominant like them they were just perfect, liquid is playing in the same level as before, they can have a era in the future after major but they can't be the goat
Blast and competitive
name more iconic joke duo
As long as they are not better than Astralis where before they took there break, as long as they would not be able to beat that Astralis, they ofc can not be the greatest of all time..
They havent even changed cs, taken it to a new level.
They dont even have an era yet.
2 or 3 teams in cs go history have had an era.. TL is not one of them.
too soon junior... give it a little bit longer to claim this.
you tried, but no.. or not yet at least..
liquid have been dominant when everything else has been shit..
I don't see back to back majors, in fact I don't even see 1 major lmao
Win at least two majors, then we talk about that.
I mean, being the best team for the last 4 month is a lot to say, and congrats to them but they still have to last longer at the top to consider them the GOAT of teams.
You are basicly saying that the team thats top 1 att the moment is the goat team, thats just stupid
but could be
definitely incredibly good
I SAID THIS BEFORE
USA IS #1
USA IS #1
Its the era of the United States of America
Cloud9 Major winner was just the beginning, we got so much more in the bag!
THE WINNERBRACKET IS BETWEEN TWO US TEAMS:
NRG and the worlds Number ONE: TEAM LIQUID
no and stop with that already
Another noob who sees some kids like naf and twistzz landing some amazing headshots and considering Liquid team "goat" FML.. Anything that team liquid is doing right now was already done by a lot of other people in the past, shox, olof, get_right, f0rest etc and etc... ( real guys will know what i'm talkin' about )
And also, how the actual fuck can you consider Liquid goat when they don't even have close to the accomplishments and winnigs of teams like fnatic, Astralis or even SK/MIBR.. ? And yes, they NEED to win majors. Why the fuck you think they are called "majors" for some god forsaken reason? GOD! These fuckin' kids these days... let them free for a couple of seconds and they comeback pooping in your head.. guys like you should have been taught respect the hard way. xoxo
Not yet. But they could be.
I'd argue their run already is better then anything SK/LG ever achieved. SK's tournament run wasn't near as impressive and they only won one tournament between their major victories. I'd consider a grand slam and an exhibition tournament better but I'll accept arguments to the contrary.
Anyway Fnatic and Astralis were still more impressive cores/teams for an entire year. From Liquid's initial win at IBP masters over Astralis to their win at Blast here they are having a hell of a year major or not. Probably a top 3 year. They've dwarfed 2017/early 18 Faze at this point. Topped anything French CS was ever able to pull off in a row.
I mean 2018 Astralis was just SOO good it's going to be hard to ever top that but I'd say it's in the cards at this point. The only team I can see really stopping them is Astralis and they appear to be in a major funk at this point.
Prime Astralis would slap Liquid back to that Semi-Final against LG, let's be real here.
contending for GOAT in skill - only prime astralis can match them
definitely not GOAT in terms of achievements, yet. tho achievements now r definitely more impressive than say NiP when everything was at its early stages etc
in 2014 you had fnatic, nip, dignitas, ldlc, vp, titan,
in 2015 you had fnatic, tsm, vp, nip, navi, envy
in 2016 you had sk, astralis, navi, vp, g2, nip, dignitas
in 2017 you had sk, faze, astralis, navi, g2, vp, gambit
in 2018 you had faze, liquid, astralis, mibr, mouz, navi
in 2019 you have furia, nrg, ence, vitality, north and g2 in top 10
Era? XD they won 2 tournaments.
They need to win 4 majors to be considered goat
1st for few months
US brain is ok
They are not the greatest of all time. Yet. They could become that but right now Astralis cemented themselves as the greatest of all time back in 2018. Liquid could certainly make it there one day though.
Liquid seems like fnatic 2015, everyone can kill
"It's a long way to the top
If you wanna rock 'n' roll"
they are on the brinck of an era and the best atm but not of all time nip, fnatic, astralis
The present moment is always the leading edge in skill, personally I think what fnatic did and the cs culture back then, was the most impressive
how many times we need to discuss it..
G2 vs Liquid at EPL Finals:
Dust2: Liquid Wins in Overtime
Overpass: Liquid Wins EZ
Nuke: G2 Wins EZ
Inferno: Liquid wins by 1hp point
If G2 Flip Dust2 and Inferno, they win the series 3-1
I don't know if 'best ever', but they are pretty good.
Astralis had the record for most consecutive LAN series wins in a row (17), until Liquid broke it (currently at 20 in a row).
However, Liquid hasn't won any Majors, and a lot of people will point to that. Astralis, SK, and Fnatic have won multiple majors.
astralis 3 major
fnatic 3 major
lulquid 0 major
imagine being goat with 2 month "era" without major
They're 2 months at the top and Americans get cocky
They struggle against low tier teams and are mkr dominant at all. And they don't have an era, if they can keep this up for 10 mkre months then I might consider them the gist team but astralis was the most dominant in cs history
no they play very good and skilled cs but no they are not goat not even close sorry
they are good but not GOAT yet, not even a major. that's all that really matters.
good bait liquid dont have an era yet but they probably will and so far fnatic or astralis have best era in csgo
They only are 1st because Astralis is in a slump.
Lets see what happens at the major.
If Astralis are back on track they will destroy Liquid.
By your logic Vitality must be the 2nd best team of all time then? Since they are ranked #2 in the most competitive era?
You have to compare teams with their contemporary opposition when talking about goats etc.
0/8, the era isn't competetive in particular
I disagree. I think Astralis at their prime were more feared and people were actually scared to play against them. It came upto such a point where people asked " by how many rounds did astralis win" without even watching the game.
If we look at liquid, it's mostly individual talent that's winning them games. Not to take away the team effort, of course the utility usage and communication also comes through.
But in 1 match it's either Naf or Twistzz which pulls in high frags or it's elige when he goes nuts and gets 30+ kills in a game.
Stewie being stable and always a very important player in whichever lineup he plays at. This team gels well together.
But Astralis were like a good team all together. Everyone performed well and their chemistry was unreal. They started losing as they skipped tournaments which led to no match practice and lost their rhythm.
So team liquid the g.o.a.t?
I don't think so.
Maybe if they win the upcoming major and keep on their dominance until 2019 ends... they will be high candidates to it.
Not to take anything away from liquid. They are also on another level at the moment, but Astralis of last year were far superior than this current liquid.
Op is just being provacative.
Astralis is probably the best team from a coordination point of view, and more feared than probably any team since NiP was when in their prime or viscerally since SK was at their scariest, or Fnatic in 2015.
Over a specific period of time, though; (statistically-speaking) only NiP can compare with their 87-0 record. And even here it depends on priorities. In big event LAN's Astralis was feared, but Liquid is now better. Astralis held the record for 17 LAN matches in a row won. If Liquid beat ENCE today, it'll be 22 and counting for them. They won the Intel Grand Slam in half the time Astralis did. If they beat ENCE it'll be 7 big LAN events in a row? Nobody has ever done that, Astralis, Fnatic, nobody.
GOAT? I personally still can't say 'yes', because they still haven't won a Major. Fnatic has 3? SK has 2 or 3. Astralis as 1 or 2? VP and NiP have one. In order for Liquid to claim a seat at their table they need to win a Major. If they can win today and the upcoming Major, they will have an argument for one of the best ever.
Yes beri competitive))
Vitality with 2v8
Astralis meh now
FaZe good but inconsitnt
Flag Checks out. Another retarded dumb American with an average IQ of 90.
Relax, Astralis are still better. The major will show it.
The skill ceilling in 2014 was definitely higher even if the pro scene never got even close to maxing it.
Just a ungly truth but Major will show kinda everything. Looking forward to tight games!
Without a major it's absurd to even consider it
If they win major, yes. Very dominate results, in a bo3 finals they 3-0 with a 16-2 and 16-3
Not even an era fucking delusional retards no major no era and that’s a fact
Haha, we have teams with +3 majors and this delusional fat cunt calls Chokequid 'GOAT'.
Holy shit some kids are just dumb as fuck
I might actually agree these days. Majors are important for sure, but so many other tournaments hold just as much prestige at this point that I could accept someone having an era without a major win. Getting the Grand Slam is far more difficult than winning one major.
They have played well for 7 months, Astralis played well for over a year. Not even close. If Liquid continue dominance for the entire of 2019 then sure, they are GOAT
Now being serious, they deserved that #1 spot. Liquid might be a dominant team, but many teams are able to give a decent fight against them, unlike Astralis in 2018
as in goat status they would need like 2 or 3 majors imo since yes winning the grandslam in what 60 days is insane its not a major theyre on the road to be the goat on csgo but they do need majors
astralis era>liquid era (so far)
delusional burger brain
At this point you need at least 2 majors to beGOAT, if they keep playing like this that will be ez tho
Lol the teams is doing good for 4 months and burgers start saying GOAT.
NA so funny
> 0 majors
Liquid wouldn't have an Era if Astralis didnt decide to completly fall apart
still no majors won so no
Bet you will say that liquid has the best era ever when they dont even come close
Tired of that bs lmao. Fans are complete delusional right now, they didn't even come close to astralis era, fnatic... nip...
It's just beginning, chill.
Btw it's impossible to have an era with 0 major, wait until that happens. And still 1 will not be sufficient imo, since astralis won 3.
Not yet. They need two consecutive majors now, and a year of domination without dropping more than maybe 1, can’t even drop 2 I think.
So sit back and enjoy if it happens :) btw even there it would only be goat of csgo
With every team is the same story xD "Never have been competitive as before"... That's wrong.
Gambit winning major = era????
I aren’t think that mens)))
GOAT would have to be winning every tournament for like 18 months. Since this has never happened, arguing who is GOAT is pretty much pointless, but everyone on this site is going to have their own official and accurate opinion of the GOAT.
>the most competitive scene
>having an era
"when CS never been as competitive and skilled as now"
Are u fortnite player?
They are not goats, they are humans.
Coming back when Liquid chokes the major
Yeah Liquid is contending for the best era, but Astralis had like no contention for 8 months or so, a lot better era imo
If they win 2 majors with dominance yes they can be the GOAT
But Astralis is the goat, 3 majors, 2 back to back and the grand slam
they have been the best team for 4-5 months, Astralis did it for a year and won 2 majors. No way they are close to Astralis RN. If they win 1/2 majors and continue to dominate this year then maybe, but we shall see. Also cs isnt that competitive at the top, Liquid and Astralis top teams, Vitality top team but will never beat Liquid because they rely on Zywoo too much (similar reason as to why Na'Vi never beat Astralis) and ENCE has no firepower.
Don't get too cocky burger, Liquid has months ahead of them to prove that they are the goat.
calm your horses, top 1 for 2 months
Astralis was much better comparing prime time. Nobody didn't even had a chance to win them in grand finals
Astralis , Nip , Fnatic, Luminosity/SK eras best eras
Hehehehe you makes the best thread on HLTV TheoTonin and we your fans loves you!
Ive never understood people saying skill level is at its peek. Liquid has literally no competition, no players in top 10 are in their prime apart from Zywoo and Liquid players. No other team has made Liquid scared.
Peek skill? Id say thata bullshit. Put prime KennyS vs current Nitr0. Put prime Dupreeh vs current Stewie. Put prime s1mple vs current Elige etc.
No team can challenge = no competition
No players can challenge = no competition
Liquid dont require sick teamplay cos everyone is so far below
I think its a lack of skill from other teams, not Liquid being so far ahead of everyone (who are also high).
Astralia era > fnatic era > NiP era
No other eras exist
fox news says they are the goat LUL
GOAT gives nice milk u dont so no
No, delusional NA people :_DDDDD
May be but...
1. Dunno what happened to Astralis, but it`s not top-1 Astralis.
2. Na`Vi played only 1 tournament last 3 month.
3. FaZe stupid shuffle.
yes, rn is liquid Era, but they win fucking Vitality on finals... I hope Na`Vi, Astralis and FaZe will comeback on the major!! And we will see how good are Liquid.
About competitive CS... Bro, last time happened a lot of shuffles, so u are not right. But next major gonna be hot.
No. Astralis, still. If they win the Berlin Major and go on to win the next Intel Grand Slam, then a really good conversation can be had. Until then, it's not reasonable.
raw-skill-wise they're the GOAT but as a team, they have yet to prove the are yet.
obviously you are wrong, atm.
liquid did one player transfer which upgraded their firepower, but they still wouldn't been able to beat 2018 astralis.
if liquid continue the run they have now during the fall then we could start talking about being goat
Post this again when they've gotten their fourth major win.
Astralis have won 3 majors
Liquid have won none
Astralis were top1 for 1.5y
Liquid have been top1 for like 4 months
3 months at the top with no Major, they are actually on the same spot than that Fnatic lineup with dennis. Six tournaments on a few months, they looked like the best thing ever but it fall apart on their peak.
Here we are after over month people still think Liquid is G.O.A.T when they are not even goat.