/ignore to many word
can u just do some line breaks plz
Too much letters. Just ban Vitality for 1 year and its fine.
if you really believe this, flag checks out
but seems like a bait to me
If ESEA starts telling teams what weapons they can and can’t buy, or otherwise they will get banned, the CSGO Comp scene will die very fast. Your argument is understood and shared, but part of fair play is letting teams choose whatever guns and strats they want to play with; ESEA can’t contact vitality and tell them they are banned for rushing with smgs. No organization should be allowed to dictate how they play.
Also, matchfixing and throwing are two very different things, and if you cannot tell the difference, then I feel sorry for you.
This won't happen in a premier LAN. It was just a bad scenario of events.
how is this different than man city playing reserve squad against some league 2 team in the 3rd round of a cup game?
This is the equivalent of not trying/not playing your starters (not using actual tactics) in a summer/preseason game of the NBA or NFL. Nothing is going to come of this and theyve done nothing wrong.
1. Don’t bet on matches like this/matches that don’t count for anything.
2. Yes they shouldn’t have “not tried”
3. They didn’t say they were purposely going to throw (from what we’ve seen so far)
4. They didn’t didn’t bet against themselves
So with the last 3 they technically didn’t do anything wrong.
ESEA's fault. Expected from this shitty esea
i aint read that damn bible
Matchfixing is completely different to this. Also it wasn't a direct throw, they just didn't care about winning and wanted fun which i support and tbh can just blame ESEA for because they made em go for the EPL spot
Hell yeah... Like tennismen that throw Wimbledon for Roland Garros should be destituated too..... yeah...
+1 Notice it’s mostly fanboys who say they did nothing wrong. I doubt anything serious will happen to them if anything at all since vitality is such a popular team.
Match-FIXING - Fixing is the act of playing so the game ends up in pre-determined fashion. ... Also, protest action doesn't fit this one - They didn't throw or lose on purpose. They just didn't play to their full potential. ... Your parallels don't work.
While I agree it was a shitty thing to do, they didnt technically throw the match. Theres a difference between intentionally losing and not trying too hard to win because you dont care about the match. It happens a lot in other sports, if one team has already clinched playoffs in their league or something, they will start the backup players to rest the starters. Clearly they dont have to win the game, so why try super hard?
I just don't get you, tell me, what should have they done? Clearly they don't want to be there and don't want to get tired.
cry is free bettorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
they should played it seriously who cares if they would waste half of day of practice when they have zywoo
+1 i agree, but lets be honest, vitality wont get punished
what they did wasnt illegal so no punishment
Salty idiot found, how much did you bet this time?
They 100% should be punished and people should NOT let this go.
Funny how allmost all people asking for punishment here got American flag...
I actually 100% agree with you, althought i do not think that a lifetime ban from all events should be made, but getting without a penalty would not be ok imo
'Best effort' rule should be applied in all sports including esports. It's against the code of conduct in like every sport. If you enter a competition you owe it to all the competitors to give it your best.
They didn't throw.... They tried a new meta and failed in the game :(
pp-Bizon FTW !!!!!!
They told beforehand that they wished to forfeit as the match was not important at all for them. they weren't allowed to. I would have played for fun too and I like them for doing so.
fuck these butthurt gambling kids ¯\_(^_^)_/¯
To be honest that is the most intelligent post i read on this subject.
No fan or hater argument, just facts and clever interrogation
Hère comes the American white knight
But yes they should be checking accounts to see if match fixing was involved
Must we ban liquid and ence for their performance in last summit ? It's not normal to force a team to play an event like esea. Vitality was already qualify and they didn't want to play this shitty tournament. They didn't want to show their strat and they just want to focus in Chicago
Navi The best, dont be unprofessionals)
Why did nobody react to vitality's way of playing in the first two BO1 they played at the event? Hell Rpk was awping but nobody said a word because they won these match. Of course they were going to lose playing this way against Furia (top7 in the world rn) but suddenly it's a big deal because...?
I’m on your side mate. Banning them is a bit harsh, but how arrogant and lazy must a team be to not even be willing to finish what they start because it’s a “shitty tournament”? This is ironic considering that apex called out Navi for not showing up on time to practise.
It's unethical (and unprofessional) to force competitors to compete in any event. The whole point of competition is that the competitors are here on a voluntary basis, otherwise it's just a modern form of slave fights. So if a competitor wants to forfeit, it's them who have the last word, and there should be no negative consequence to them (other than the obvious loss), otherwise this can be viewed as an attempt to constrain competitors who wish to forfeit into staying in the event despite their desire to leave.
I don't know the details of the situation, but it's not hard for a team to simply not show up if they really want to forfeit, so the fact that Vitality played despite their desire to forfeit makes me think that there was some "incentive" thrown by ESEA (or some other entity) to make them play, such as a threat of losing a slot, or a fine on the prize, etc... If that's the case, then it would be a form of constraint.
Of course it's another story if the conditions of forfeiting were already known in advance (so before entering the event) by Vitality and they wanted to change them in some way (for example if it was agreed that in case of a forfeit they would lose X or Y and they wanted to forfeit without losing X or Y).
In that case it would be a matter of determining if losing X or Y in case of a forfeit was within the bounds of an ethical contract, that is: would it exert sufficient pressure over individuals that it would force them to stay in an event even if they didn't want to? If that were the case, then it's the whole contract that would be moot (at least ethically speaking).
As far as I know, the rules of the ESEA league do allow a team to forfeit a match, without further negative consequences, which means that ESEA should have accepted their forfeit. If you're aware of rules that do not allow a team to forfeit, feel free to share the link because the rules I've read do not seem to prevent such a thing.
salty retarded bettors will stay salty. i enjoyed watching the game, it was fun to watch. but i guess people still bet too much on this video game lol
Man you are full of shit in any sports there are tactics like this look at football for example.
In tournament where groups are ppl let someone else top the group so they could play against shit team that by luck got there this happens pretty much in any sport with this type of format. It is just common sense to do so. If they did bet at this loss then its whole other story and should be banned for life
They don't deserve to be punished for it, its fine to throw a match but if they're betting against themselves and then losing that's a different thing (tho I don't think that's what happened here)
Throwing isnt the same as not really trying.
If you would punish vitality now you gonna have to punish every team that has a bad tournament/makes bad decision, because you cant now if they tried or not.
Btw i know flag checks out for me
Can we instead talk about how stupid it is to force teams to play events?
Isnt it stupid to force teams to attend events?
the tournament was shit and vitality weren't allowed to forfeit without losing epl so no its not bad
People are overthinking this so much lol
Anyone suggesting that they lose their EPL spot or get banned has something wrong with their mind, because the punishment is not proportional to the "crime", being that they broke that one ESL guideline of being sportsmanlike. Nothing was played to a "pre-determined result" or "intentionally lost". They did the exact same stuff to Party Astronauts and won.
People are blowing this way out of proportion. It's not that big of a deal. Just fine them for unsportsmanlike behavior and be done. Or do nothing. What's really bad for the scene is all these idiots complaining about it and proposing that the 2nd best team in the world gets banned or loses their EPL spot. No true lover of CS would say such a thing.
The funniest thing about all of what OP said is "It sets a horrible precedent for the esports community which is trying to establish itself and also sets a bad example for future games.".
Man, before speacking of the esports community as a whole, you should know a few things about it.
2 examples, in 2 esports games actually really well established or rising really fast :
1) In Magic the Gathering, any player, at any time, can just concede a game to a friend even if it's to give him some points to go through the swiss portion of the tournaments. HAppens alot if you are allready qualified for top8, which can happen as soon as 2 rounds before the end of the swiss portion. And in the case of MtG, the prizepool and the TO are the editor of the game.
2) LoL example. A game where the editor is both the TO and pays a part of players salary.
In LoL, G2 blatantly thrown 5 games in the Spring split to give points to Fnatic opponents to try to disqualify them from playoffs. It was both totally random drafts, overaggressive plays, troll plays etc.
Same, on Rift RIvals, a tournament of the exact same nature as Global Challenge (kind of like showmatches at the end of a league season) , G2 played totally random team compositions to try things out, and as a results, trolled 3 out of 5 games they played.
And in both cases, Riot said absolutly nothing cause there was nothing to say. Fact is, it's not agianst the rules to troll some games, even thought it was way more borderline in the case of the spring split because it was clearly to eliminate another team (and it was stated as such on the social medias by the community manager of G2)
So yeah, at least, if you want to speak about anything else than counterstrike, have your facts right.
And consider that if it's not a problem for Riot or WotC for their games, peraps that it shouldn't be a problem for CSGO.
This happens in traditional sports where in certain competitions the team will play a weaker team. it happens in football all the time.
There are people with over 20+ posts in this thread acting very suspiciously in the way they defend what Vitality did.
Just ctrlf+f and you will be strangely surprised. Also the poll had 1/3 asking for some kind of retribution, this is enormous and would garner sanctions in nearly all sports.
A part of the viewers were clearly disgusted.
Mad kid, Vitality can do what they want whenever they want, why would they care about some tier 4 tournament? xD
read the whole thing and I can just agree with you!
Shitty behaviour from "pros".
I don't think they should be banned but I think a punishment of some kind isn't unreasonable and I think it's embarrassing for CS as an esport trying to grow.
CS a game that features fucking terrorists. For that alone it may be impossible for it to ever truly break through. Which is why players need to behave like absolute professionals when match integrity is on the line. We need that at the very least.
Vitality move bad for your bank account.
They said they were tired and already qualified for pro league, so they wanted to have some fun. How much did you lose btw?
VforVictory and Jammin800k already posted 71 times in this thread to defend Vitality, that's some next level dedication. Pretty sure they do the same in every thread.
But hey you are the hater and they aren't fanboys......
Literally the only people mad about this are people who bet on Vitality, or salty Vitality fans who got upset at being mocked in the stream chat as the game was playing.
This is a non issue what happened. You shouldn't be allowed to force players to play which was what happened to Vitality. They didn't want to play but were forced to as they weren't allowed to forfeit the match. Why should they seriously play a match that they want to forfeit? Makes no sense.
This also isn't match fixing. Before anyone can reply to me saying "b-buh in the wiki it mentions protest action", just know that wasn't protest action, it was just a lack of caring about the match.
If you think Vitality should be punished considering the circumstances and the basic history of VItality's squad you're ridiculous.
This tournament shouldn't exist
I found the match funny, but this is going to put ESEA and maybe even Valve in a shitty position. I'm seeing a huge portion of this community saying you shouldn't give a shit about this happening, but I believe the opposite is true. This is horrible for the scene. In any sport, or event, trying to take itself seriously there would be a massive investigation opened if a team willingly threw a match. Much less if the literally admitted to doing so. While the team might not have bet against themselves, which isn't proven or disproven, who knows how far the word of them essentially throwing the match spread prior to the match. Now, I'm not saying they should be banned or anything, but this shouldn't go unpunished. It sets a horrible precedent for the esports community which is trying to establish itself and also sets a bad example for future games. What if no investigation is opened? This will 100% put the thought of matchfixing into shadier teams and screw it, they don't even have to hide it now. Can just buy bizons and say they were tired and needed a break. What happens if a future game happens with another top ten team and the same events occur, but it's discovered a friend of an organization staff member was told on Steam," Yah, they're tired so they're gonna be not taking this serious and you might see some bizon rounds lol" as an innocent conversation but that turns into that friend betting and telling another friend who does the same? Does that come back on the organization? You bet your ass it will. An example needs to be established here which will help organizations, players, fans, etc.
learn how to format your text im not reading that shit
Yeah allowing teams to throw the games they don't care about not only ruins integrity of the game but also allows potential matchfixes.
Teams at almost every sport threw all the time. Sometimes it's just not worth it to fight every single match.
However, Vitality should be given a warning or fine for openly announce it.