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G2 > Vitality
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
G2 are clearly better than Vitality It's laughable that people ever thought Vitality was the 2nd best team.. it was a fluke that they even made it inside the top 10
2019-07-19 01:45
Nop
2019-07-19 01:47
Expected opinion from fake country, Palestine top 1
2019-07-19 06:44
#88
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Kazakhstan z1mn1 
+1 8/8
2019-07-19 08:52
#94
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Poland mxm11 
+1
2019-07-19 10:01
+1
2019-07-19 12:24
#151
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Indonesia XlunnarelX 
+1
2019-07-19 17:44
nice antisemitism reported
2019-07-19 20:01
Not antisemitism to hate a country that has broken nearly every international law, committed horrific war crimes against innocent civilians and continues to do it with impunity because the USA still thinks that you are somehow useful strategically.
2019-07-20 01:27
+1111111
2019-07-21 09:24
Ouch
2019-07-21 09:45
+1 Thanks for this People from Israel must know what their gov do to other people.
2019-07-22 03:01
But today if u ask to siri the weather in istrael he will answer u. Ask for palestine.
2019-07-19 20:11
omegalul
2019-07-20 14:08
#109
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Estonia teremartin 
ofc NIP academy > NIP tier 1
2019-07-19 11:11
No zywoo no vitality
2019-07-21 14:49
#2
KRIMZ | 
Denmark slacking 
+1 vitality biggest fluke after mousesports
2019-07-19 01:48
Furia? Ence? C9?
2019-07-19 09:57
#97
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Germany AngiMerkel 
Liquid?
2019-07-19 10:05
+1
2019-07-19 10:58
#166
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Denmark fm100 
Excuse me buddy
2019-07-20 04:13
Thats why i love HLTV
2019-07-20 04:19
XDD
2019-07-21 09:25
+1
2019-07-19 10:05
#108
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Finland (RANE) 
mad cuz bad
2019-07-19 11:10
flair checks out nt tho
2019-07-19 11:44
#131
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Finland (RANE) 
ok??
2019-07-19 12:24
Astralis is the biggest fluke in csgo history
2019-07-21 09:30
#3
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
Nah, Vitality is really good team They lost to Heroic but it doesnt mean that they are fluke Still TOP2
2019-07-19 01:53
#9
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Switzerland Jeded 
Nope Vitality fluke, lost a BO3 to Heroic
2019-07-19 01:57
#12
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
yeah OK Vitality fluke G2 TOP1
2019-07-19 01:58
ENCE Biggest fluke
2019-07-19 01:59
#16
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Switzerland Jeded 
Mad cause frenchies lost to a tier 3 team after throwing to a tier 2 team
2019-07-19 02:00
still top 2
2019-07-19 02:13
#60
shox | 
France Aidentt2 
Lmao
2019-07-19 07:18
mad cuz ence did not win a single match against vitality
2019-07-19 12:00
Holy shit you are getting ’em good
2019-07-21 09:47
but heroic fluke, won vitality in bo3
2019-07-21 09:31
Look at G2's final against Liquid vs. Vitality's. At least G2 kept it close, because they function better as an actual team. Vitality aren't nearly as good when they can't prepare for a team, or they have Zywoo simply no-show (which is rare, but a huge deal for them).
2019-07-19 02:42
#29
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
So G2 is better than Vitality, only because they had closer matchup with Liquid ? xDDDD Fucking HLTV gets better everyday
2019-07-19 02:49
bro you are just retarded.
2019-07-19 08:51
#130
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
Are you like this guy's boyfriend or something? Why are you even talking?
2019-07-19 12:23
+1
2019-07-19 20:03
+1 It amazes me how stupid some people are the g2 final vs liquid was when liquid wasn't this dominating they were really good but right now they're hitting the most insane shots. Also vitality is way more consistent unlike g2 who can beat liquid one day and the other day they lose to mibr
2019-07-22 03:05
#30
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
So by your wise logic MIBR with Zews is better than NRG and Faze only because they won more rounds vs Liquid on Blast
2019-07-19 02:51
So by your logic I mentioned rounds when I said nothing about them? Look at how the rounds PLAYED. OUT. Fucking moron. Look at G2's team collective output in their wins and losses vs. Vitality's. They aren't nearly as top heavy.
2019-07-19 02:54
#32
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
xDDD this guy
2019-07-19 02:57
Yeah, good argument. XDDD
2019-07-19 02:57
#34
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
you destoryed yourself with your own arguments, so no need to say anything
2019-07-19 02:58
It's fine, I just D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D you with logic. And spelling.
2019-07-19 02:59
#39
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
ok mad americano's only argument is english, the only language he knows as always
2019-07-19 03:01
Aw you're upset, poor guy.
2019-07-19 03:03
#41
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
I am upset ? How did you figure it out ? Like seriously ? You have to be some 10y old dumb fat americano, I am 100% sure about that btw. You wouldn't belive how stupid you're logic about G2 and Vita is
2019-07-19 03:06
I like that you tell me these things but offer 0 insight into why (hint: you can't, you just want to declare your opinion as fact). You're right though, I'm a 10 year old fat American! Impeccable detective work.
2019-07-19 03:08
#45
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
It's not easy to tell some idiot on HLTV why his logic is a complete nonsense, in english on 3 AM
2019-07-19 03:12
In other words: you can't. Good to know. Thanks for the input. I'll file that under "excuses for why I'm not actually a retard." Wait, wait. I'll actually file that under "XDDD"!
2019-07-19 03:15
#48
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
If you don't see that yourself (why your logic is nonsense) then you're right, there is no way I can explain that to you
2019-07-19 03:16
I can actually argue my logic though. I gave you a counter-point and you didn't even meet it half-way, your entire basis of comparison is "YOU'RE WRONG LOL."
2019-07-19 03:17
#52
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
Then do it for me, because I am too tired to discuss in english with americano You would know that it is really hard, if you would know any other language than english
2019-07-19 03:22
The impetus is not on me to provide evidence to you, since I made my statement. That's actually, and this is how grown-up arguments work, on you because you made a statement that I was wrong without even offering a counter-point.
2019-07-19 03:24
#54
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
how can I fucking counter point logic that makes absolutely no sense? In your opinion matches vs Liquid determinant how good teams are Super great logic, 10y old guy would see that this is some bullshit How can I explain that ? Retarded, mentally challenged elder would see that this makes no sense What do you actually want me to explain here?!
2019-07-19 03:30
Close matches against the best team in the world don't mean you're a good team, but getting blown out by that team does. You're right! How could such sound reasoning have escaped me! Oh and ps: Vitality struggle against teams they can't prepare for, because they rely heavily on anti-strats and individually huge games. But yeah man, you've still got some valid points there in all that misdirection.
2019-07-19 16:09
#147
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
Your logic makes no sense when you give more examples hltv.org/matches/2334348/liquid-vs-hellr.. So by your logic ( Or maybe I am not understanding something ) HR is second best team in the world because they were better than Liquid in this matchup and lost because of pure bad luck hltv.org/matches/2334357/mousesports-vs-.. Mouz got blown out by Liquid in the same tournament ( that comeback meant shit, should've been 16-2 on nuke) And by your logic HR is much much much better than Mouz Or I am seriously not understanding something here
2019-07-19 16:16
See, you're comparing a group stage match against a playoff match, which changes some of the context. Liquid were playing terribly in their group matches the past few months, it wasn't until Cologne that they began looking composed. I definitely do not believe HR are better than Mouz strictly on the basis of matches against Liquid (especially since that Liquid and the current Liquid are different, because they were struggling in groups at the time), nor do I believe, strictly, that G2 are a better team than Vitality overall. I believe they have better team play with each other and rely less on preparing for the teams they're facing. They are also more consistent from top to bottom. Does this mean they are beating higher caliber teams? No, but a team like ENCE, who Vitality are great against, are prone to anti-strats. Same with Astrlis, since their current lineup seems to have lost some of their edge. But on the same token G2 have looked pretty good against most teams lately, and Vitality have lost to some teams they shouldn't.
2019-07-19 17:24
#149
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
"you're comparing a group stage match against a playoff match" It was just an example, I could link many other matches here
2019-07-19 17:30
Except it's a bad example, and I explained why. That's how arguments work, a person presents a view and the other person provides evidence to discredit it. And so we are clear, Mouz and HR are very similar, Mouz is just more talented in every respect. But HR were a one-off performance there, so there's no correlation to be made.
2019-07-19 17:45
#152
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
you see and that's why I said that this is really hard to discuss with you in english on 3 AM You're one of these people who's every argument is good (atleast you think it is) And every my argument is bullshit Discussing with People like you is just a waste of time and I will not relpy to you anymore
2019-07-19 19:31
poland boys are just retard__d
2019-07-19 08:52
#85
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Collective team output and depth of tactics and level of teamwork are unrelated. All that means is G2 has a closer spread of skill and their frag output is therefore closer. Vitality have more structure and aim to enable their stars, g2 are skill based and rely on playmaking to be successful.
2019-07-19 08:41
Relying on playmaking...while relying on ZyWoo. Ok...solid reasoning I guess. I mean, that's just goofy.
2019-07-19 14:47
#158
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Clearly you either dont watch the games and only look at stats or are just acting dumb. Kenny and shox are relied upon way more to close out games and win late round situations then Zywoo they just arent as good as Zywoo. Zywoo also doesnt playmake very often at all. Hes almost always playing off of a teammate or grenades meanwhile Kenny and Shox make solo aggressions all the time and try to win rounds themselves way more often. Seriously you either dont know what playmaking is or are intentionally being ignorant. Vitality actually consistently set zywoo up and put him in good positions. They have better flash assists, better trade ratios, they win more 5v4s and 4v5s, and they rotate and play the map as a team better. They have far an and away better structure, elite teamplay, and more layered strategies.
2019-07-19 20:12
#42
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Switzerland sl4p3z 
but Vitality was on 6-0 streak vs liquid ?
2019-07-19 03:07
Vitality beat Liquid twice at CS_Summit, which they admitted they prepared for. You can't take anything away from them winning there. But when it came to a big final, on a stage, they got absolutely blown out (because, shocker, Liquid actually prepared). G2 actually appeared composed and competitive with Liquid during their final. Vitality as a team aren't as cohesive as G2. They have good anti-strats, but they rely on large individual outputs to win matches (they almost always need at least 2 players to go off, not just Zywoo). This is somewhat counter to G2. If you removed Zywoo from Vitality's equation and put nearly anyone else in their team they wouldn't be performing as well as they are.
2019-07-19 03:21
#74
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
What you said contradicted itself. Vitality have less overall skill than G2 therefore to be above the level of G2 they have a lot of tactics and teamwork to enable their stars. G2 is way more individualistic and are compareable to faze. Ence, NRG, and Liquid all say Vitality play some of the most structured CS. I think that their teamwork is really good too, they are always doing stuff that is really together, that is the strongest thing in CS. Just when people are doing things together. - Elige youtu.be/Z-fbFu3ZOfw
2019-07-19 08:30
I'm about to head to work but teamwork doesn't always relate to strats. The spread of skill doesn't matter as much, G2 play together in different ways than Vitality, but that doesn't mean their team play is worse. And how the fuck did that contradict anything??? You have a team who wins a smaller, less serious LAN but bombs out at a prestigious one. It's a direct correlation to why their performance isn't as impressive.
2019-07-19 14:45
#156
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Its contradicts itself because Vitality is a better team with less skill. Therefore to be a better team they have to excel in other departments. If they have less skill ove but still win more then they have to do it centered around teamwork and better strats right? Teamwork does relate to strats but Vitality have both better stats and teamwork. The better your teamwork the more detailed strats you can do because you have a better feel of what the members on your team are going to do and how they are going to react. I literally linked you quotes from multiple top 5 teams saying Vitality plays some of the most structured and "together" CS in the scene. Clearly they're superior to G2 In that regard because otherwise G2 would be the better team as man for man they have more skill
2019-07-19 20:02
#59
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Nepal ramann 
Our Fnatic team was way close to beating liquid in IEM sydney,,,,,, that doesnt mean that we are no 2 team in the world. fucking retard logic
2019-07-19 07:15
Nor did I claim fnatic were better in any way, so that not a correlation at all.
2019-07-19 14:46
Vitality is just ZywOo
2019-07-19 02:59
And lost to furia. Let me rephrase that. They got raped by furia
2019-07-19 07:25
#133
daps | 
Ireland T3nkai 
Zywoo was just a no show for the first map. The maps for vitality and liquid is very similar both ban train and pick overpass or dust2.
2019-07-19 12:25
Vitality without zywoo top 35 at best
2019-07-19 12:45
#139
GuardiaN | 
Poland JKG 
But they have him So TOP2
2019-07-19 12:57
Volvo has a good “talking to” CHEATw0o maybe
2019-07-19 01:54
#5
Maka | 
France Barburo 
Didn't see you since Astralis - Vitality in Cologne
2019-07-19 01:55
#6
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Russia LeGoBoys 
+1 Zywhoo fans gonna cry because it’s true
2019-07-19 01:55
Him being in a bad team doesn’t change the fact that he is god or not. Like s1mple in NaVi Or KennyS in 2017 G2 And many more examples Problem is allways the same, people base rankings for both players and teams only on tournament results. But a team can play really well as a team, with deep strats, good team play and so on and not winning. (G2 in Montpellier) A player can be god and in a team that doesn’t win(s1mple, ZywOo not that he doesn’t carry enough anymore) You have bot players in team winning (Taco) And so on
2019-07-19 08:16
>You have bot players in team winning (Taco) Sorry but MiBR don't win
2019-07-19 11:00
Historically speaking
2019-07-21 09:19
lol
2019-07-19 01:55
apEX needs to wake up that's all
2019-07-19 01:56
No, the whole team needs to wake up and realise that NBK is shit
2019-07-19 07:27
Actually, he is right. The difference between yesterday and the tournaments they raped everyone in is the level of Apex, which was a clear bot yesterday, and even Alex that had a lot less impact than in ECS On the opposite side, jaCkz stepped up big time lately, and look how G2 looks great on T sides right now. The level of performance of your entry is really important. On overpass yesterday, they still won 5/6 T rounds where mibr got opening, simply because mibr couldn’t contest jaCkz entries on sites And everyone speaks of French teams inconsistency, but it’s clearly the entry inconsistency which is the problem. It’s the same with Rain in FaZe for example, they looked great when he was peeking and now they look random cause he is average
2019-07-19 08:22
#86
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France Il_padrino 
waw +111
2019-07-19 08:50
Man, every time I read HLTV, I feel like no one understands that your entry is what makes you win T rounds. Everyone seems shocked that G2 became a Tside team, even on nuke, train, etc. (Even heard an analyst on streams says that they are good at winning the hard side on many maps and seem worst on defense) But with the level and the confidence jaCkz shows lately, there is absolutly no surprise they are. And people can think whatever they want about shox IGLing, but you can see that G2 is actually working in their game like no other French teams ever did. Add the fact that it was obvious that Vitality would have a bad tournaments considering the schedule they had past 3 monthes, and it’s nothing to worry about TL,DR : HLTV analysts OMEGALUL
2019-07-19 11:52
#153
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France Il_padrino 
Nice man. You are prety smart
2019-07-19 19:55
#83
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France Snabe_ 
U should check the stats and watch the match of yesterday men :) NBK was alone one the team
2019-07-19 08:37
He could enable kenny, can't enable zywoo rn. He is trash igl. Alex should take over fully
2019-07-19 10:56
#110
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France Snabe_ 
yesterday, 14 rounds in ct and 0 in T, NBK is CT IGL and alex T but np it was nbk the problem
2019-07-19 11:11
To be fair, CT lead is far to be as important as T lead
2019-07-19 21:22
#99
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Australia Junta 
apEX needs to check his attitude and bugger off.
2019-07-19 10:06
wdym ?
2019-07-19 10:11
#10
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United States Kuyajarsol 
Prob about even rn it's pretty hard to determine spots ATM cuz everyone's pretty much the same
2019-07-19 01:57
#11
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Netherlands poeya 
Vitality wont make it close against liquid so maybe yeah
2019-07-19 01:57
#14
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
typical hltv thread win one map: they are tier1, underrated, better than team x lose one map: disband, overrated, fluke you millennials got the memory and attention span of a fly
2019-07-19 01:59
#18
frozen | 
Russia nV_2015 
+1 its true
2019-07-19 02:03
#55
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
Zywoo fan spotted
2019-07-19 06:42
what do you mean "Zywoo fan spotted" its true
2019-07-19 08:27
#90
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
zywoo fan #2 spotted
2019-07-19 09:51
#91
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France Snabe_ 
and what about me men)))
2019-07-19 09:52
#92
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
shox fan spotted
2019-07-19 09:52
#15
woxic | 
Turkey razendd_ 
ofc
2019-07-19 01:59
Maybe, but i would still need to see bo3 between these teams.
2019-07-19 02:01
obviously
2019-07-19 02:05
#20
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France Revitalize 
its obvious lol, we know this since June but silvers trust the HLTV ranking
2019-07-19 02:07
#21
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Europe thaifinnen 
1 Liquid 2 Navi 3 Astralis 4 G2/Vitality 5 Vitality/G2 hope they play each other in this event
2019-07-19 02:06
G2 and Vitality are above Astralis right now. And ENCE is close of those teams if they post a good result in Chicago
2019-07-19 08:35
#101
JaCkz | 
France Kabby 
NaVi ? Not to be rude or anything but we don't have enough material to put them that high. They did a decent run in cologne but for now that's all, just wait
2019-07-19 10:13
#112
AmaNEk | 
Europe JaZ1Z 
+1
2019-07-19 11:24
same with astralis tbh, all we know is that liquid is better than them
2019-07-19 11:52
#22
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United States Deso1ation 
G2 isa far better team. The only reason they have not also made top 3 is due to them not getting the same opportunities at tournaments. Look at EPL, they made it to grand finals, in their first major tournament in a while. Furthermore, Vitality have Zywoo, and if he goes quit one game they lose. The thing is, when you are reliant on just one star, then teams can just go the opposite of that player etc. G2 also have so much better team play. Did you guys watch the match vs Liquid. G2 took Liquid to 16-13 on their HOME map. Keep in mind Liquid are probably the best overpass team to play the game since maybe Fnatic. They predicted setups, and had utility usage on par with last years Astralis. Vitality again must rely on Zywoo to get picks and win rounds. However, on G2 the team can win rounds from basically anyone except Lucky. Not saying by any means Vitality are flukes. I am just saying that the rankings don’t show their real standing. Great to see French CS where it should be again though.
2019-07-19 02:06
Holy shit someone actually arguing for the point I made back when G2 lost to Liquid at EPL (Vitality isn't as good of a team as G2). Feels good man.
2019-07-19 02:44
#37
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United States Deso1ation 
Yeah sucks that they dont get to go to big events that much no more
2019-07-19 03:00
They will likely start getting more invites, they're starting to post decent results.
2019-07-19 03:00
Especially when they will be top5 after Chicago. I totally agreed with that and there were many debates about who is the best IGL in France, I allways said Shox, and he clearly shown that the past 2.5 years That and both French teams being really dépendant of the shape of their entry. It’s funny how 3 monthes ago, G2 seems to be a really CT sided team, jaCKz was average- as an entry, and now that he stepped up, they even win Tsides on Train. That also shows are they worked a lot those last 2 monthes, especially considering that they also rebuilt the squad with « young » players (at top level at least) not long before Vitality did
2019-07-19 08:27
#50
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Worse strats, worse teamwork, worse IGL. All they have is more skill they're the same as faze.
2019-07-19 03:21
#64
shox | 
France Aidentt2 
Bad, worse, worst would've sounded way cooler and btw g2 may not be a start heavy team but who cares when results are positive? Being reliant on starts only is not the only great thing, where's Astralis now? Loosing to vitality on Cologne?
2019-07-19 07:25
#67
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Their results arent better than Vitality's though and they arent a better team than Astralis. Yeah semi finals at the biggest tournament ot the year.
2019-07-19 07:54
Their results are the same in the tournament they played : going as far as they can before loosing to Liquid Vitality did putt higher number of big results because they got more invites But no one can argue, and that’s the most important thing right now, that it’s the only team right now that can contest liquid in a Bo3/BO5 Every other teams seems to get raped
2019-07-19 08:31
#82
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
They did it once and still got 16-3d on a map. And that's the only final theyve been to, that could easily be a fluke. Vitality have won multiple tournaments and beat other top 5 teams such as Astralis, Ence, and NRG more often. Tbh fnatic was the closest team. That's not how team strength is measured.
2019-07-19 08:35
G2 lost hard to Liquid in New York qualifier. Since then, they played 1 BO5 they could/Should have won, and even yesterday, they were really close in Chicago. Fnatic hasn’t been that close in terms of both level and being close to beat them And yes, it is a good way to measure the strength of a team, it’s at least a lot more accurate than just rankings and tournaments finish. A high tournament finish can be facing no real opposition (example, cloud9 in blast) while how ou perform against top teams and how much do you loose to lower team does. And G2, like Vitality, has shown great results against every actual top10 teams
2019-07-19 11:39
#161
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
G2 are dumb inconsistent because they rely on individuals and playmaking. Fnatic has had the closest bo5 with Liquid and that's a fact and G2 still struggles with a lot of top 10 teams and get upset way more often than Vitality. Yesterday wasn't close at all, they won their map pick (the loosest and most skill based map in the pool) lost on liquids pick and got dumpstered in the decider. It's not a good way to measure team strength for this exact reason. G2 had a single bo5 slightly closer than Vitality's single bo5. It's only one series per team. Vitality has way better results vs way more top 10 teams and is a more complete team.
2019-07-19 21:55
#51
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United Arab Emirates R4SH4SH 
Well said! +1 I really want to see them play more tournaments, and glad for the french scene to be back.
2019-07-19 03:21
#172
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Nepal ramann 
Hahahahahahahaha, Learn to accept that Vitality >>>>> G2
2019-07-20 05:31
#177
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United States Deso1ation 
Vitality are in a slump right now. Teamplaywise, G2 look leagues ahead of most teams except maybe Liquid. They did play bad verses MIBR, but that was due to some serious overpreformances by FalleN, LUCAS, TACO, and even zews. That combined with fer putting up his usual numbers was enough to tip the scales in favor of MIBR. They honestly could have madr it to semis over Liquid 2-0 if not for an eco on overpass. I think that shox and Amanek together combine to make a strong system to base the team around. That combined with good numbers from JaCks and vintage Kenny aswell as the occasional throwback shox has given this team a good trio of stars. If they were to trade JaCks for Zywoo, they could plow over teams. Hell maybe even liquid.
2019-07-20 07:27
#188
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Nepal ramann 
Learn to accept man, I know its hard but we all should learn to accept.
2019-07-20 16:08
#191
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
losing to mibr with zews lmao besides tha one final, what has G2 shown? nothing
2019-07-20 16:29
#24
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Germany AutiSimple 
take zyw0o out Vitality would be tier4 straight..
2019-07-19 02:15
#25
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United States bakkadilla 
How about this performance on Inferno?? LMFAO!!
2019-07-19 02:25
Maybe if jackz and zywooo swapped places
2019-07-19 02:46
#62
shox | 
France Aidentt2 
My man Jackz great enough for G2, + he's better looking, like really
2019-07-19 07:21
Wtf are you talking about ? They don’t play the same role at all. And right now, as an entry, jaCKz is the main reason of their good results
2019-07-19 08:32
i dont think they are top2 rn, but top4 100%
2019-07-19 03:08
#137
daps | 
Ireland T3nkai 
I agree I don't think that there is a clear number 2 team in the world
2019-07-19 12:43
#57
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African Union mikecool 
Vitality and g2 need to go head to head to settle it
2019-07-19 06:45
We could hope for a G2/Vitality semi and Vitality fucked it up
2019-07-19 08:33
#173
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Nepal ramann 
What the hell are you saying, Vitality is in the Semi, G2 are not.
2019-07-20 05:32
read the date, And understand that by the time i said it, Vitality/G2 couldn't happen because none of them could finish first of their group But, yeah, brain...
2019-07-20 13:58
#58
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Nepal ramann 
One bad game doesn't make Vitality a fluke a-hole.
2019-07-19 07:03
without ZywOo they are shit
2019-07-19 07:19
Another user mentioned it here. G2 is a better TEAM. Watching both teams play it just seems like G2 plays closer as a team and are generally more prepared. On overpass they were absolutely counterstratting Liquid and no one was individually popping off. I feel like Vitality relies too much on single player performances which will never get you far in the long run. Sure you can win some games, events, etc, but you can't be consistent if you rely on starpower showing up every match. I mean, to be fair most teams fall into the same category as Vitality now. I think I've been spoiled watching Liquid where all five players, even their IGL, can carry a game. I haven't really ever seen a team like Liquid outside of maybe Faze when they were playing at their best. It's scary when you think Twistzz can go 2-12 at half and the team is still winning. Or NAF going killess an entire half against Navi and Liquid winning.
2019-07-19 07:21
#70
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Literally the opposite, G2 have good individuals like Faze their strats are not deep at all and their map pool is weaker than Vitality's. They have basic teamplay and rely on individual skill to get them through games. Vitality have way more structure, utility usage and teamwork.
2019-07-19 08:15
You clearly didn't watch any of G2's recent games.
2019-07-19 11:06
#154
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope actually I watched all of them and then read interviews and watched videos on how other teams feel about the scene. Check #74
2019-07-19 19:58
#178
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United States Deso1ation 
Nice bait lol G2 are lookin like Astralis last year with their utility usage. If you think that is shallow, then your braindead.
2019-07-20 07:29
#211
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
That's such a disgusting fanboy overstatement it's hard to even find words to respond with. Theres a difference between having unique grenades and consistently using them properly, not mention the direct miscommunications you can see consistently in their play, not responding to flanks, misbuying/not buying. They clearly arent that cohesive of a team I dont even know why you're trying to argue that. As a fan you should want you favorite team to acknowledge and fix their issues. If they were actually on Astralis level I think teams would be acknowledging that meanwhile Ence, NRG, and Liquid are all complementing Vitality's tactics and structure.
2019-07-21 09:43
#218
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United States Deso1ation 
Look at Stews interview before vitality game ahaha
2019-07-21 17:12
#221
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No arguments as I suspected just move on
2019-07-21 18:50
#222
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United States Deso1ation 
Stew said G2;was the hardest team they had faced so far
2019-07-21 19:08
#225
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No he said their closest final was with G2. Anyway theres a reason teams are taking about Vitality's tactics and structure and not G2s and theres a reason Vitality is higher ranked despite having less overall skill.
2019-07-22 02:16
Its fucking 1 thing to lose bo1 against #14 team when ur #2 but its another thing to lose a bo3 like that lmao. Vitality is garbage without zywoo just deal with it....
2019-07-19 07:58
Yeah they sucked on this Bo3 But I really think that Heroic is underrated as #14
2019-07-19 11:09
but still bro #14 vs #2 its should be the easiest win ever
2019-07-20 05:26
#76
oBo | 
Finland Juhousiwan 
Well vitality is definetly not worse than g2, althought they Lost against heroic
2019-07-19 08:31
just because g2 has 2 better players does not mean that g2 is a better team.
2019-07-19 08:32
But they are, Just watch both teams play
2019-07-19 11:42
#79
Xyp9x | 
Turkey Orgrim 
G2>Vitality but obviously Zywoo>G2
2019-07-19 08:32
#84
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Moldova ZonE_s 
+1 Ranks don't matter
2019-07-19 08:39
#95
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Turkey sonbafrali 
remove Zywoo from Vitality, easy top 75. but it changes nothing. when you have the monster, It means you have the monster. But second place? nah, I dont think so. NAVI, Astralis and NRG can take down Vitality. They will still be around 5th place.
2019-07-19 10:04
NaVi and Astralis can, NRG can't anymore, they've been eliminated by Vitality so many times in a row now. Anyway, Vitality are not the absolute 2nd best team in the world, but there is no such team, since any team can take down any other team in the current top 5. So among the top 5 teams, the ranking doesn't really matter nor does it show anything (except for Liquid of course)
2019-07-19 11:06
LMAO
2019-07-19 10:05
#111
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India Smauxx 
0/8. Liquid is biggest fluke team ever.
2019-07-19 11:19
#125
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Turkey sonbafrali 
Not fluke. They came here step by step. They were always good, now there are more stronger.
2019-07-19 12:15
#182
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Denmark Xipingu 
Yes, getting the grand slam is just a fluke. Logic = 0 0/8
2019-07-20 07:38
it's kinda true... the fact that vitality is carried by one dude doesn't make it a 2nd best team but a team who needs a rope to carry 4 dudes by 1 talent g2 has KennyS and shox some old talents and 2new bloods and 1 improving dude all g2 needs is more practice and improved leadership
2019-07-19 11:27
#114
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Belgium Chuckyyy 
Imagine if ZywOo joins G2, they'd be unstoppable
2019-07-19 11:29
Not even sure it would be better. It doesn’t fit the role of the player he would replace on a pure level consideration. Vitality and G2 have so much different play styles that swapping players would destroy their teamplay
2019-07-19 11:56
#193
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
thats not how it works.. it doesnt matter if they get carried by one guy, the results are what matters, and right now Vitality is rightfully #2
2019-07-20 16:42
I mean u have a correction to me so I guess vitality is number one because they are inspired by zywoo so they literally pushed to be in his level of game sense
2019-07-25 11:34
#121
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
G2>Vitality, vitality fluke to top2, but they should definetly be in top10
2019-07-19 11:57
>3 finals, 2 wins >fluke pick one
2019-07-19 11:58
#127
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
ur saying G2 is a fluke? LULW
2019-07-19 12:19
no
2019-07-19 12:19
#129
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
yes u r? lol? g2 didnt com ein 3 finals this year
2019-07-19 12:22
i only talk about vitality here
2019-07-19 12:26
#135
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
aah okay sorry i have -4 iq
2019-07-19 12:29
Vitality never be real top3
2019-07-19 12:02
g2 deserve atleast top 6 vitality top 10
2019-07-19 12:17
We saw it yesterday, when ZywOo is having a bad day, Vitality collapses. I always thought that G2> VITALITY, just because of the fact that ZywOo is carrying a bunch of old farts, we dont see that in G2.
2019-07-19 12:30
#176
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Weird how the exact same thing happens to G2 when Shox or Kenny arent performing well. It's almost like the teams are putting resources into those players and therefore they're expected to perform. Anyway its clear as day that Vitality has deeper tactics, better cohesion, and a stronger map pool.
2019-07-20 06:01
Kenny and shox didnt play badly.. and even if they did there is amanek or jackz to compensate, in Vitality the 4 other players can have very good games but are also very inconsistent compared to ZywOo.
2019-07-20 14:07
#190
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
whole g2 played bad yesterday :(
2019-07-20 16:28
#196
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Kenny and shox went negative/even every map. Maybe they didnt play badly but they certainly didnt play well enough to win. I highly doubt you can find me any series where both Shox and Kenny are negative and G2 wins a bo3. Shox and Kenny had an off game. Did jackz and amanek compensate? Clearly not or they would have won. Jackz was decent but amanek went missing on maps. G2 as a whole is inconsistent. Literally every player is and they rely on their skill MORE than Vitality. Vitality has deeper tactics and structure to fall back on and is capable of grinding out games thru teamplay and good calling, G2 has never had that level. Literally every player besides s1mple, elige and device right now are inconsistent compared to zywoo. But the core of Vitality is more consistent than the core of G2
2019-07-21 05:13
No
2019-07-21 14:04
#220
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You're supposed to break white flag stereotypes, I'm disappointed.
2019-07-21 18:46
Unrelated to the subject
2019-07-21 19:46
#224
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
#196
2019-07-21 23:21
#143
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France Revitalize 
If Zywoo has a bad day, Vitality are not even a top 20 team
2019-07-19 14:48
#144
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Bulgaria nsyy_ 
+1
2019-07-19 14:49
G2 is better as a team, VIT is just zywoo 1v9 can't believe washed up NBK and APEX get so cocky while getting carried h24, pathetic scene
2019-07-19 16:11
#174
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Hahahaha imagine being this delusional. You don't lose to a coach team if you're "the better team" over Vitality.
2019-07-20 05:41
#179
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Denmark Xipingu 
And this is why BOT2 lost to MiBR with a coach just now? OMEGALUL 0/8
2019-07-20 07:35
VIT without zywoo would get rekt my MiBR my point still stands u peanut brain
2019-07-20 16:26
#194
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Denmark Xipingu 
Okay mr. Expert analyst. Lmfao
2019-07-20 18:36
#195
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Your point doesnt stand at all lmfao. Your point fell flat on the floor when they lost to MiBR. If they were a better TEAM then theyd beat MiBR with fundamentals and tactics not lose because Shox/Kenny didnt show up.
2019-07-21 05:07
Check my point again dummy
2019-07-21 09:07
#198
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
"G2 is better as a team" False.
2019-07-21 09:12
G2 is a better team than VIT, Zywoo can just 1v9 most of the time and his team just has to support him, we've seen how trash VIT looks when zywoo doesn't show up
2019-07-21 09:13
#200
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Vitality has deeper tactics, a stronger map pool, and is respected by other teams tactically way more than G2 is. Elige even said they play some of the most structured CS in his interview after Cologne. G2 looks way worse when Kenny/Shox arent carrying because they dony have a playbook or structure to fall back on, they just keep trying the same things and rely on their skill. G2 are way more dependent on fraggers than Vitality is. Youd know that if you actually watched games instead of checking HLTV stats after them.
2019-07-21 09:17
Thanks for taking these informations out of your ass, literally everything you stated are just wrong informations that I could just C&C to every team argument ever, not a single reliable fact, just your opinion there, better to stop it now because it looks silly
2019-07-21 09:21
#206
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
"I think that their teamwork is really good too, they are always doing stuff that is really together," hltv.org/news/27291/elige-after-all-of-t..
2019-07-21 09:24
Yeah and surely he is making a comparison of both french teams there? Oh, go ask him his opinion about g2's teamplay then I guess, otherwise even this isn't viable
2019-07-21 09:36
#212
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Weird how no team is complementing G2s structure or tactics. What information do you have that suggests G2 is better as a team?
2019-07-21 09:48
lmao, this aged well xD
2019-07-20 04:06
#164
NBK- | 
France Pouanix 
G2 " ESPORT " LULW OMEGALULW
2019-07-20 04:09
Liquid lost series against Gambit Liquid TOP 1 OMEGALUL
2019-07-20 04:10
When, 2017? Your bait was horrible.
2019-07-20 04:16
G2 lost to MIBR playing with coach instead of cold. your opinion doesn't matter.
2019-07-20 04:15
#171
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Nepal ramann 
Hahahaha G2 lost to this MIBR the weakest MIBR team in history.
2019-07-20 05:29
#175
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
sEe wHaT hApPeNs WhEN kEnNy AnD sHoX dOnT pErFoRm
2019-07-20 05:56
#181
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1 lmao
2019-07-20 07:36
#180
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Denmark Xipingu 
Zywootality>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Trash2. Deal with it.
2019-07-20 07:36
G2 -lucky + kio
2019-07-20 08:18
#229
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Europe PauL(L) 
+1
2019-07-25 11:38
This is so funny now.
2019-07-20 14:09
#192
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
besides that fluke final G2 has absolutely shown nothing.. claiming they are better than Vitality or ENCE is absolutely ridiculous and shows me you guys know nothing about this game... they win one map and all the HLTV experts go into full recency bias mode. theres a reason the rankings are based on the performance of the last 3 months and not only 1 tournament.
2019-07-20 16:36
#202
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1, either he is baiting or he is clueless af
2019-07-21 09:20
It is the truth, the core players of G2 > Vitality
2019-07-21 09:23
#216
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Greece Petsos 
they clearly had a day off, no one could take any kills and mibr was overperfoming . We will see in berlin
2019-07-21 14:06
#219
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
yup. still sad tho :(( bcs I think they couldve beaten ence, but it is a 50/50 match imo
2019-07-21 17:18
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