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Top 2. Zywoo
kissmyass | 
Luxembourg MyOpinionMatters 
vitality is not top 2, zywoo is top 2 in worlds, always 1v5. If Zywoo wasn't in the roster, they would be hardstuck contesting rankings against g2 in the top 10s
2019-07-20 03:29
+1
2019-07-20 03:30
Just because their roster is built upon one player doesn't mean they aren't top 2.
2019-07-20 03:31
oh ok i will remember what you said when the downfall of vitality comes and they start their shuffle again
2019-07-20 03:36
When Vitality feels the need for a shuffle, they won't be top 2 anymore.
2019-07-20 03:40
they're not even top 2 right now, everything IS revolving around zywoo NBK, apex and RPK, Alex playing like dogs, TK twice already
2019-07-20 03:41
Their placement in the ranking has nothing to do with the fact that Zywoo carries the team. Your opinion matters, but it's silly.
2019-07-20 03:44
what ok i guess i get into top 10 by losing then :))
2019-07-20 03:45
They aren't losing, Zywoo carries them to victory every time.
2019-07-20 03:46
nice i got baited 8/8 can't get into top 2 without be carried that's what im saying but im dumb enough to fall into your trash bait
2019-07-20 03:47
You didn't get baited, you just didn't understand my point. Anyways, we will stop circle jerking for both of our sakes.
2019-07-20 03:48
#15
Boo | 
France mbl4 
So a team revolving around one player can't be top tier ?
2019-07-20 03:49
one player revolving a team*
2019-07-20 03:50
what is Na'Vi with s1mple then?
2019-07-21 05:56
same shit
2019-07-21 06:09
#4
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France samuu007 
1v5 ? you are not right my friend, its more like 1v9
2019-07-20 03:39
#7
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Iceland caverat 
zywoo can go to hell, overrated af
2019-07-20 03:42
#10
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Europe pencilvester 
How much?
2019-07-20 03:45
#16
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Peru TheJuan 
How much?
2019-07-20 03:50
Flair check out
2019-07-20 03:51
#14
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
Well it's true, but you guys have to deal with it, I mean it's same thing if NaVi doesnt have s1mple same thing if Liquid doesnt have Elige alot of teams got carry players
2019-07-20 03:49
technically Liquid still would have NAF and Twistzz so it's not quite the same level. But it's a stupid argument for the OP anyway. A team revolving around a player does not make them a worse team. They definitely deserve 2nd right now.
2019-07-20 04:13
#20
device | 
United States Lazerz 
if liquid replaced elige with someone like koosta they would still be top 5, twistZz and naf are both top 10 players, nitr0 is a top 1-3 IGL, and stew is a top 3 entry rn
2019-07-20 04:14
#21
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
Well I have to admit it's not the best example but I just mentionned who I think are the 3 actual best players and their teams
2019-07-20 04:19
#22
device | 
United States Lazerz 
yea ur point is valid with navi s1mple
2019-07-20 04:20
#23
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Vitality has great tactics, solid teamplay, one of the best map pools in the world right now and pretty much every other top 5 team has acknowledged that in interviews/videos.
2019-07-20 06:24
#27
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Someone who is not toxic, it is rare on this forum :o And Vitality = 9 months :$
2019-07-21 05:40
#33
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Yeah very young team, even younger when you factor in they got Alex 3 months later. I think people forget that sometimes since the team has big names.
2019-07-21 08:35
Na'vi has way better players than Vitality does, Zyw0o really carries that team most of the time.
2019-07-20 06:33
#25
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Better players but medicore teamplay, basic strats, and a weaker map pool. Navi is way easier to read than Vitality. The fact that Navi has better players individually but is weaker as a whole is proof that Vitality works better as a team.
2019-07-21 05:17
I mean Na'vi is superior to Vitality in every single way and only fell out of the ranking because they've been inactive and made a roster change for a shit player. Vitality is a garbage team, the map pool is super good because zyw0o is a heavy pug player and can destroy on any map basically, Na'vi are not weaker as a whole either we haven't even seen them play very much with this new lineup so comparing it off like 1 event is retarded.
2019-07-21 05:53
#34
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nah they arent superior in the ways i listed above, if they were they wouldnt have failed to make pro league and needed changes in the first place, please at least attempt to be objective. Vitality is a garbage team is not an argument. Just hate. Why are you hating? The map pool is good because they have good strategies, setups, and teamplay on a lot of maps and are good at enabling their stars. Navi are absolutely weaker as a whole right now that's why they're ranked below Vitality by ESL and HLTV and if the year ended tomorrow Vitality's year would undoubtedly be considered stronger.
2019-07-21 08:40
#26
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Vitality = 9 months.
2019-07-21 05:38
cry is free
2019-07-21 05:56
#31
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France Zyuwu 
Zywoo is god men
2019-07-21 06:01
#35
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Japan ehegao 
Zywoo is just a part of vitality success. VItaly can live without him.
2019-07-21 08:40
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