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Why say God exist
venice | 
Other The_Merchant_of_Venice 
Saying god exists is like saying something exists when there is in fact no presence of it amywhee, no visible or viable presence of God anywhere. Do Christian's or religious people even know why they believe in god. Do they know the history of their own religin, have they even read the Bible / the Quran. My town has alot of foreigners and they tell me they have never read the quean same with Christians
2019-07-21 10:27
#1
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
no, proof for presence isn't a proof for no presence. Go and check your stupid mind.
2019-07-21 10:41
Ok then answer this, why did anyone even begin to suggest there was a god
2019-07-21 10:33
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Jordan xrealx369 
there are many non religious people who just believe that theres a god or a higher power, only because it makes sense, and it makes no sense to have a universe so perfect without a cause
2019-07-21 10:36
Then who created god?
2019-07-21 10:38
#14
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Poland FitPolak 
Who created beginning and the end? Everything and nothing?
2019-07-21 10:39
#36
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Netherlands NELK 
REKT
2019-07-21 11:12
Me
2019-07-21 12:06
#58
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
Physics
2019-07-21 12:28
#69
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Poland FitPolak 
I repeated his question in correct way
2019-07-21 12:51
#70
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
i got an a in physics
2019-07-21 12:52
#71
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Poland FitPolak 
I eat sandwich
2019-07-21 12:52
#72
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
was it good?
2019-07-21 12:53
#73
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Poland FitPolak 
Yes
2019-07-21 12:54
i eat pizza
2019-07-21 19:00
Yeah, but that goes both ways. Religious people say that God is infinite, he wasn't created or anything, he's just there. But why cant that be the same about the universe? Why can't the universe just exist?
2019-07-21 15:22
#108
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Poland FitPolak 
What if he is part of universe?
2019-07-21 15:43
What does that mean? You can't just keep saying what if to everything
2019-07-21 15:44
#115
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Poland FitPolak 
Comment #11 and #14 is The same exact question.
2019-07-21 15:57
I'm aware Do you not understand what I'm saying
2019-07-21 15:59
#17
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Jordan xrealx369 
If god was created then we're gonna be asking who created the creator forever..which is illogical..The creator has be uncreated, with no beginning
2019-07-21 10:43
#47
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Brazil cleytonton 
ask to him
2019-07-21 11:39
Yes exactly because God isn't real adn there is no beginning only forever
2019-07-21 12:35
Yo, in the past, when religion started, people sought a reason for the creation of earth etc. I think there is no higher power or god. People are just trying to find A reason for everything. The question: “How does the universe and everything exists then?” We might never know why and how, because I think human being is already gone then. The influencial people on this planet, are not taking care enough.
2019-07-21 15:06
There is still too Much unknown to answer that question...
2019-07-21 15:06
That's not why religion was created but why it is followed
2019-07-22 00:32
Who said universe is perfect, its expanding like hell, so much of dark matter, so many black holes , infact we are not perfect , we should be able to travel in another dimension in order to explore universe i.e time but we cant and we only live for max. of 100 years its not even 1% perfect . We are bound to live on Earth .
2019-07-21 10:45
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Jordan xrealx369 
maybe you're meant to stay on earth then
2019-07-21 10:47
Thats just another way to justify the reason of our life . In short god is just a myth , there is no one out there who will listen to you.
2019-07-21 11:03
+1
2019-07-21 14:31
Have you considered the multiverse theory? Or perhaps the theory that the Big Bang was a collapse of an earlier universe, thus making the probability of our exact universe 100%?
2019-07-21 10:51
#26
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Jordan xrealx369 
In the end everything is bound to physical laws of this universe where nothing can come out of nothing...no matter what the theory is, there has to be a cause And because the universe is so well designed, this cause must have intelligence
2019-07-21 10:56
At distances smaller than the Planck length our known laws of physics break down. There are many laws and quirks that we don’t know about that one day might explain this seemingly irregular and strange event.
2019-07-21 11:00
#81
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Morocco royflord 
bro our arab education is really bad, you just say things that are common in our culture but are not really true
2019-07-21 14:31
#98
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Jordan xrealx369 
What's not true? And how any of that is related to culture? And speak about your education, don't speak of mine.
2019-07-21 15:20
#111
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Morocco royflord 
literally everything you said is known by average arab people (our universe is perfect it can't be by coincidence blablabla) you didn't search for it and if you did it must be on those islamic bullshit websites based on what you said i can see that your country's education is bad and outdated and it's not your fault, not saying that my country is great cause it's probably worse than yours, but just search elsewhere don't base your researches on what you already know
2019-07-21 15:50
#114
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Jordan xrealx369 
2019-07-21 15:57
#117
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Morocco royflord 
i can't take religion seriously anymore, it's so basic it sounds like some fairy tales for kids
2019-07-21 16:01
#123
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Jordan xrealx369 
Congrats
2019-07-21 16:05
In what essence is the universe well designed? Just because things orbit each other? The universe is around 14 billion years old, eventually things are going to come together by chance. Do you think that life on earth means that there must be a god? Because think about the rest of the universe that we have observed, and we have found no one else. If someone intelligent made everything why are we the only people alive? It's just chance.
2019-07-21 15:29
The universe isn't perfect. Religion was made to make people feel safe and like their life has inherent meaning.
2019-07-21 12:42
Thanks best Dane in hltv history
2019-07-21 13:06
because nobody knows why we are here but we all know we are going to die and it's terrifying so people want answers. but there aren't any, so people just settled for god/heaven/whatever. it makes life easy.
2019-07-21 10:38
#15
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
there are people that say "nature" is a god. Because nature created us and it can kill us easily. It stays above our lives.
2019-07-21 10:39
#24
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South America PartisanGrill 
If nature is God then we are God because we are part of nature. God has to be outside the material world.
2019-07-21 10:51
What is that supposed to mean? If I may ask.
2019-07-21 11:01
#38
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
nope, then we a part of God. But not God himself. The same thought has other religious as well. Jesus was human but he is God. So humans are a part of God.
2019-07-21 11:26
Bump
2019-07-21 10:32
#121
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
Black matter is god If you've read Indian mythology and know about Shiva...He's the black matter. God is right there, see through telescope - he watches whole universe.
2019-07-21 16:05
Faith shouldn't be proven to anyone, asshole
2019-07-21 10:32
Very strong faith shouldn't be proven???
2019-07-21 10:34
If someone proved God's existence, everybody would have to believe God and faith would lose its importance. Therefore, creation of mankind would be pointless. The whole point of faith is God's obscurity. And I am not even a religious person.
2019-07-21 10:44
This is the most illogical thing I've read in a while. People should have faith in old storys and myths and it would be a bad thing if they were to be proven/disproven?
2019-07-21 12:45
LUL. Read "fatih" first name of gob b xD
2019-07-21 14:41
Science is a religion and google is the bible.
2019-07-21 10:35
I don't use google. Obviously you don't understand what a religion is
2019-07-21 10:39
#7
Xyp9x | 
Ukraine 60hzgods 
God doesnt exist /closed
2019-07-21 10:36
/open So is Ukraine /closed
2019-07-21 10:51
No men)))))😎😎😎
2019-07-21 11:02
*does Sorry name checks out
2019-07-21 14:42
Why would you want to argue with religious people? If they want to believe, let them believe. Many of them get hope out of their beliefs and it helps them
2019-07-21 10:37
Many people are placing religion over laws which is critical in today's world imo Nowadays religion is causing more harm than it does good, especially in 1st world
2019-07-21 14:46
I mean, religion is on the decline in first world countries. The better people have it, the less religious they are. So religion will surely disappear if we get people's living conditions on a good level
2019-07-21 14:45
True. Religion is not needed anymore in the first world Although morals and values of certain religions should live on
2019-07-21 14:48
God does exist. Its me😎😎😎
2019-07-21 10:38
#16
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Turkey mustim 
My biggest concern with religion is the fact people don’t even seem to understand it’s true origins or its social implications. Christian and Muslims seem to fight one another even though they spawned from the same region. Religion reflects the values of a people within a certain time period. I’m ok with people having faith; it mostly serves people well and keeps people predictable and honest. However, I also question their mentality given that they draw their morality from a book written thousands of years ago and not through logic and the pursuit of the superior outcome.
2019-07-21 10:40
Well done Trik
2019-07-21 10:45
You're not very smart are you
2019-07-21 12:07
Don’t get it twisted Trik, I’m on your side. I’m very proud.
2019-07-21 12:43
#25
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Vietnam comergod1 
I cant prove God exists but If he does I think he’s probably an Asian
2019-07-21 10:52
god is not human he is spiritual creature and he can be asian and european too.
2019-07-21 11:35
#48
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Vietnam comergod1 
I mean he looks like an Asian
2019-07-21 11:41
he can look like anyone.
2019-07-21 15:05
#130
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Vietnam comergod1 
How do you know? Did you see him?
2019-07-21 16:29
bible says that man.
2019-07-22 16:32
I read Kuran, liked the first order: "Use your mind, which has been given to you by the God". I live accordingly and see no reason not to. Believing in God comes in the bundle basically.
2019-07-21 11:01
Yes and that’s fine. People who choose to put religion before their own mind are people that are a danger to our world.
2019-07-21 11:04
like the moustaphas sweden and tr have taken in
2019-07-21 11:07
Indeed
2019-07-21 11:09
Flag checks out
2019-07-21 12:46
Sleeping paralysis dosn't exist but they still come.
2019-07-21 11:02
It's like believing there are professional Counter-Strike players and/or teams in Germany. There is absolutely no proof. Either you believe it or you don't, but in the end noone cares anyways.
2019-07-21 11:13
xd
2019-07-21 12:37
#39
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Romania RunnerB0Y 
U started a good discussion there gj
2019-07-21 11:28
People believe in god because they want to, not because they been presented with proof. Hence the word "believe".
2019-07-21 11:31
+1 this
2019-07-22 16:55
i was an atheist before this post but now i really cant believe anyone can be this stupid unless its a miracle from god.
2019-07-21 11:33
#43
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
Kek
2019-07-21 11:36
god 100% exists stop coping kids
2019-07-21 11:36
Proof?
2019-07-21 12:47
The bible is the word of God. How do I know this? It says so in the bible.
2019-07-21 11:37
Can't argue with that
2019-07-21 12:47
Accurate summary of religion:X is bad cuz we said so
2019-07-21 15:46
#46
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
Imagine being this empty and materialistic
2019-07-21 11:37
I'm a pretty soulless empty person but the fact that you call me a materialistic person who your dumb
2019-07-21 12:08
#57
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
well if you are soulless and empty then you are materialistic retard
2019-07-21 12:24
I like your generalizations I wouldn't say I'm soulless or empty I treat people with respect and try to make life easier for everyone. I'm not a materialist however I have no friends am frequently told I lack empathy and understanding so go figure. Everyone in my life has neglected me and taken advantage of my disposition so why would I ever care about them
2019-07-21 13:03
#78
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
you don't believe in spirituality you are a materialist
2019-07-21 13:10
I don't believe in the existence of spirit or deities therefore I'm a hedo istic person who focuses their efforts and desire on purely material things. Why?
2019-07-21 14:27
#49
United States dzfw 
Why address this question to "religious people" who don't actually practice religion? If you have not read the bible, you are not a christian. If you do not follow the basic rules of a religion, you do not practice it. Anyway, I don't know how people aren't freaking out 24/7 about existence. Maybe its bc I panic about a lot of things anyway but I can't figure out how people go about living normally everyday and not breaking down frequently about what comes after we die for the rest of eternity. or maybe its all the acid and weed
2019-07-21 11:54
That's just not true then no one is religious by your claims because part of what makes people swear some allegiance to a religion is the standards of celibacy or kidnness that normal people never follow
2019-07-21 12:16
I think LSD teaches you the world is beautiful and continues to exist with or without your problems/success. So why let negative emotions stop you from being productive and enjoying the interactons you make with people and the universe. Don't listen to me though my brain is fried haha
2019-07-21 16:22
I used to do lots of research chemicals (designer drugs) and have taken heroic doses of certain lysergamides and tryptamines. None of my trips have ever taught me anything but I have seen and experienced things I wish I hadn't. People (maybe Terence McKenna?) say that these drugs are a portal or communication device to experience another dimension or contact beings from another one. If this is true then it severely disappoints me. If there is more life after this one then how much more is there? I don't know how much existing I could possibly take. Does it ever end or do we just keep on taking new forms? The fact that I am even alive right now is crazy. I think all the time about the fact that there is nothing else except existence. You are either alive or you are not. You will cease to exist but people go about working and socializing instead of figuring this thing out. I hope that there is nothing after death. I hope that if there is a god he would understand if you did not believe in him/her/it. I don't think I would like a god that sends you to hell just because you question him. Life is absurd and I often feel other people aren't experiencing consciousness the way I am because they don't express anxiety over living like I do. schizo post over
2019-07-21 17:36
I think you live to interact with the universe and you never stop interacting with it, even after death. However we assign constructs to life to make it entertaining, like who determines whether an action is good or not? You of course. But how do you typically determine it? By societal constructs that you follow because your brain likes when assuming is easy. You have a beautiful mind and spirit along with the rest of hltv. But this mentality may be wrong, idc.
2019-07-21 18:24
#50
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Serbia d1ckson 
Men, in the stone age, people saw a lightning strike a fore, and they didn't know wtf happened or wtf it is. They came to a conclusion that it was a god of lightning. Then they had many gods. One day, Jews decided that it was only one. Many more religions were created, such as Christianity and Islam. They ran on the basis that so much of the world is unexplainable, and religion gave the answer - god. Now, in the modern age, we have answered many important questions and religion is losing it's power. However, places where education is lacking, people don't learn about new explainations, they grow old and say that science is mad by the devil. They poison their children with those beliefs and the vicious cycle continues. Fortunately, religion is in decline in the modern world, we just need to be cautious of the Muslim immigrants, cuz they come from really fucked up countries.
2019-07-21 12:03
It's not the fact that immigrants are Muslims it's that they are poor bums. And yes nothing can really be explained only rationalized
2019-07-21 12:12
#89
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Serbia d1ckson 
Exactly. But it's better to try and learn about it, explain it the best you can rather than saying "god did it, it's god" etc.
2019-07-21 14:46
there are many educated religious people, religion does not only “explain” stuff, but it mainly serves as a purpose for them.
2019-07-21 16:06
#132
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Serbia d1ckson 
There are. But the reason there is less than 1% of atheists(speculation) in the middle east, arabia, africa etc. is mostly lack of education and indoctrination. Oh, and also, they'll kill you if you come out as an atheist.
2019-07-21 16:36
Haven't read the bible but in danish schools they teach you all the main things in the bible
2019-07-21 12:30
#68
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Germany mosstt 
there were intorduced to control and manipulate ppl
2019-07-21 12:48
#74
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Norway Joe_Caseus 
Why say gravity exists when there is no proof?
2019-07-21 12:55
+1
2019-07-21 13:04
Gravity is a mdeup term used to describe the natural tendency of any matter to bring themselves towards each other. Graviity exists in the same way that numbers exist god exists as a fiction he only exists in the brain to describe the world, gravity exists in the world and is described in the brain
2019-07-21 13:55
#92
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Serbia d1ckson 
+1
2019-07-21 14:48
#97
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South America PartisanGrill 
Who give you your life then?
2019-07-21 15:20
#120
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Iran Puriy0 
Why is this shit idiotic question?
2019-07-21 16:03
#91
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Serbia d1ckson 
Take a pen in your hand. Release it from your hand. If it falls to the ground, you have proven the existence of a force we have named "gravity".
2019-07-21 14:48
#141
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Norway Joe_Caseus 
nah that is just cos the earth is moving at a constant speed in space. wake up brother, u are stuck in the lies of the goverment.
2019-07-21 19:08
Caveman saw flash, caveman heard thunder. Caveman had to explain this force of nature. Somehow 10,000 years later they're talkin some shit about a carpenter that could turn water into wine.
2019-07-21 14:35
Remember than the Big Bang Theory is still a theory and the scientist who created scientific theory(half of them) came from the church. Therefore God exist. I didnt read the whole post but Im trying to say is how did it all start? like why did it explode etc....what thing came before the other thing and how did the 1st thing created? REMEMBER GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA
2019-07-21 14:40
#93
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Denmark baitzera 
I guess most people think god exist because their parents think god exist, and most people in their society also think so.
2019-07-21 14:56
True And if they find religion helps them, they stick with it. If not, they become Trik.
2019-07-22 16:56
The best argument for the existence of a god is the "self actuating actuator" argument. Even that doesn't guarantee that the force responsible for the creation of the universe is a conscious entity that had a purpose for everything. Just live life and you'll know(or won't know) when you die.
2019-07-21 15:21
too stupid to understand science? try religion.
2019-07-21 15:21
yikes, implying science has anything to do with the metaphysical world or philosophy regarding the creator "Science is the study of the nature and behaviour of natural things and the knowledge that we obtain about them. " what does this have to do with a creator? are you assuming this creator is physical and can be measured whilst He is the creator of the physical world in the first place? are you giving this creator attributes whilst you don't even believe He exists? science has nothing to with this whatsoever, its like me giving you a tape measure and asking to weigh your weight.. hamzatzortzis.com/gods-testimony-the-div.. archive.org/details/TheMiraclesOfTheQura..
2019-07-21 15:35
wont even bother reading such bullshit from a religious subhuman. /closed
2019-07-21 15:36
I mean he gave his arguments, on the other side you're just insulting him for no reason. /closed
2019-07-21 16:14
#119
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Iran Puriy0 
Ok idi
2019-07-21 16:01
#105
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Brazil hrp_ 
indeed haha
2019-07-21 15:35
Science: Start with trying to understand, seeking truth. Religion: Start with Truths "I and the universe exist", seeking understanding.
2019-07-21 16:28
so you cant understand existance of universe or yourself without these fictional figures? well that's some ludicrous shit.
2019-07-21 17:13
What do you believe then? History books, science, news? They keep changing narrative every day. All of that is an illusion. All chasing truth like chasing wind.
2019-07-21 18:59
I don't need to believe anything since I can shape my life and I am able to think without some random ass book written 2000 years ago. Well atleast they are changing and trying to find the truth yet religion stands where it was 9000 years ago. Imagine calling science an illusion yet believing in any sort of religion, well you are delusional.
2019-07-21 19:01
You alone can shape your life? Let me remind you that anything you consume will control your mind. I recommend you to read 1984 by George Orwell. We are reflections of one another. How did you learn your language?
2019-07-21 22:21
star wars was right, everything is god aka just a force a energy in all of us. be cool with eachother and don't spread negative energy and ur good.
2019-07-21 15:33
can god create a rock they cannot lift? if the answer is yes, then god is not omnipotent, if the answer is no, then god is still not omnipotent. "god" by definition is omnipotent, which is what makes this paradox so troubling. Any comments and thoughts?
2019-07-21 15:40
I exist
2019-07-21 15:53
Proving abstract concepts is difficult, because they are more than the sum of their parts. Take 'love'. You cannot prove the existence of 'love' in any way, you cannot sense it with any of your senses. Yet more than most people say 'love' is the thing making this globe spin. So when science cannot prove the existence of something, this is where faith steps in. You cannot ever know 100% that someone loves you, you HAVE FAITH that their actions and words MEAN 'loving'. If that TRUST is broken, the FAITH is gone and you are left with crushing uncertainty. So to have and get to enjoy abstract concepts, wisdom and/or intelligence will never be enough. You are going to need faith, trust, belief in those concepts. This makes us all, in some sense, spiritual. Not religious, there is a difference. If you lack or ignore this spirit, you are left in a materialistic world, where anything and everything is for you to use and abuse to the deepest of your whims, and the same applies to everyone else, putting you as well in risk of getting abused and taken advantage of. Some people prefer it that way. Take for example this discussion forum. If you trust the community on this site and open your eyes and heart to the possibility of there being actual people behind screennames, you can have meaningful discussions and find something worthwhile. If there is no trust, you get...most of HLTV.org. :)
2019-07-21 15:57
what have u smoked my friend
2019-07-22 16:36
#118
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Iran Puriy0 
Nope doesn’t and people who believe it does are idiots.
2019-07-21 16:01
What do you believe then?
2019-07-21 19:00
#142
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Iran Puriy0 
Not bullshit
2019-07-21 19:23
Just empty words. The definition of brainwashed.
2019-07-21 19:31
What is a sermon or faith other than faith in empty words you never read
2019-07-22 00:31
#122
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Norway FJooD 
God isn't real, the devil isnt real. its all bullshit :) If god or the devil was real, they would have done a 1v1 aim_map to see who is the best
2019-07-21 16:05
They are doing it with planet earth.
2019-07-21 16:07
#131
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Norway FJooD 
Oh shit, you're right :)
2019-07-21 16:32
ocean man take me by the hand
2019-07-21 16:13
Edgy atheist fedora tipper spotted!
2019-07-21 19:03
How is this edgy? I wanted to start a cool discussion
2019-07-22 00:31
made up to explain supernatural occurences and for power and wealth for certain individuals
2019-07-22 16:35
anywhere = ?
2019-07-22 16:57
Religion and God bring out the best in people. I don't care about if God actually exists Tbh, only atheists cares about whether or not God exists
2019-07-22 16:59
#155
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Germany istheGOAT 
didnt read 😎
2019-07-22 16:59
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