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i have always wondered how many americans actually support the current healthcare. paying thousands to insurance companies in premiums when paying a bit more taxes would get you universal healthcare and it would get cheaper than paying ur insurances.
2019-07-22 01:00
Its ok americans are brainwashed into thinking everything they do is perfect so
2019-07-22 01:01
Thats the least Trik thing Ive ever heard
2019-07-22 01:02
haven't you read his nickname?
2019-07-22 01:02
Oh yes then it checks out
2019-07-22 01:03
i assume you are not american. i was asking americans.
2019-07-22 01:02
im american I live in america
2019-07-22 01:44
there are tons of americans who dislike their system. All it takes for someone is to have some accident and be 100k in debt. People usually are not happy about that
2019-07-22 02:01
#116
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North America daesoulae 
+1 my dad had a kidney stone and it was like 10k for the pain killers and the four hours he spent at the hospital. imagine someone having an actual illness or something like that. people bitch about it taking to long, i personally would prefer to wait a day to see my doctor rather than have to sell my kidneys
2019-07-22 03:50
#123
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Canada ProvexPyker 
😲 What in the world...
2019-07-22 04:26
Flag doesn't checks out
2019-07-22 22:41
yeah the only bad thing is people having to wait longer than they already do to see a doctor. If we all had free healthcare here it would literally be a shit show. Look at canada, no offense.
2019-07-22 01:01
Doctors trying to kill us with unnecessary procedures, they know we not paying out of pocket so they sell lots of whack bull shit
2019-07-22 02:03
there is no such thing as free
2019-07-22 02:41
#101
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puget1 
How long do you have to wait to see a doc?
2019-07-22 03:33
I was recently in the hospital urgent care after getting hydraulic oil in my eyes. It wasn't serious but I was seen in roughly an hour. If you desperately need care then you will get it, but if you can wait then you will have to wait. The real bad part about the Canadian healthcare system is surgery. My mom desperately needed a hip replacement (she had femoroacetabular impingement/FAI). The healthcare system wouldn't replace her hip until she turned 65, and she was 48 when this happened. She ended up getting it replaced privately, which was extremely expensive, but so much better than 17 years of suffering.
2019-07-22 03:51
Yeah see that's whats good about the way insurance works currently in US, my dad got his knee replaced at 56, but the doctor told him they only last for 10-15 years and you have to get it replaced again. Last thing you want to do is have semi-major surgery at 70+ years old. There are major benefits to "free" healthcare, but like you mentioned above, if it isn't covered you are paying major $$$ out of pocket.
2019-07-22 04:35
#127
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
it always depends on how your Government handle healthcare things. In Germany, this is the best paid and best support social security benefits office. There are rules for how long you have wait for a specialist. House doctors are forced to work a specific time. Overall I wouldn't see a doctor until I am dying when I am going home with 10k debts.
2019-07-22 11:22
#3
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Finland Smoonah 
Yes
2019-07-22 01:02
#7
Stewie2K | 
North America Xheng 
Universal healthcare is linked with the illegal immigrant problem, which already has a projected cost of trillions of dollars. In this case, even if we do cut the military budget, the cost would still be too high. Premiums blow ass, everyone knows it, but an alternative is yet to be found because it is utter foolishness to look at problems in isolation like you are right now; it's just baiting to get an upvote for a commonly known fact.
2019-07-22 01:03
You have to explain the connection of universal healthcare and illegal immigrants. If they're illegal immigrants then they shouldn't be included in a universal healthcare in the first place.
2019-07-22 01:38
Did you watch the Democratic Convention? It was a travesty, and this is exactly what they say. They want to literally treat all illegal immigrants as citizens, or at least say this to get votes in their ballots. It's utterly ridiculous.
2019-07-22 03:57
in other words i am autistic enough to believe the BS republicans say
2019-07-22 01:38
Being autistic would have nothing to do in connection with believing what other people say. You have proven yourself to be a moron. Let alone accusing me of being a Republican.
2019-07-22 03:53
i was never talking about immigration. also you dont need to owe universal healthcare to everyone who enters your country, only the ones who are citizens.
2019-07-22 01:39
#46
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Norway Joe_Caseus 
Trillions of dollars btw
2019-07-22 01:51
That's not how America works and not how The Democratic convention perceived universal health care. If you don't pay attention, then why do you have the audacity to even make a thread like this let alone speak or reply to me? Some of the most popular liberals in the democratic convention want illegal immigrants to receive some form of health care, considering that their numbers are ridiculously high. On top of this, some of them want to legalize illegal immigration, while the same people who argue for such an absurd idea are the same ones with some great ideas.
2019-07-22 04:02
The sad truth is that you dont understand how Universal healthcare works in other countries making These 3 trillion estimation that was made completly irrelevant. It is not Like the country Just suddenly pays for everything, that's not.how it works, atleast in germany.
2019-07-22 01:55
"The sad truth is that you don't understand..." The sad truth is that you attempt to apply another country's political situation and its culture onto another, also known as the strawman argument. If you really want to know anything at all about the political situation and actually attempt to have a meaningful argument about a country you are not even a part of, instead of arguing away like you know a damn, watch the Democratic convention and watch why I linked these two let alone the estimated budget for it all. It's a God damn catastrophe right now in the American Political system, and we do not need people like you misleading people on what is exactly going on in the American political system.
2019-07-22 04:00
#128
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Refugees get some medication health care but only what is absolutely necessary and it is paid by taxes not health care. So the local Government have to give their okay.
2019-07-22 11:24
You have to remember, this is America. I doubt that they would only get what is neccessary because then how is that perceived? There is so many illegal immigrants living here as normal citizens, and under DACA, it truly displayed how many illegals were within American society, and why DACA is so important. And then you talk about local governments. That wouldn't work though because that sounds like a case that would inevitably head to the supreme court. And if i recall my court cases correctly, there was one similar that lead to the precede that federal courts are allowed to tell state govs what to do when it comes to things like this, considering health care could be perceived as merchandise/something bought.
2019-07-22 12:06
Nobody supports it. It should be further privatized to increase competitiveness and thus lower prices and increase quality. Funny how Finland mad now...
2019-07-22 01:03
#56
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Finland lasarus 
huh?
2019-07-22 02:01
finland healthcare better than US average healthcare with a fraction of the cost
2019-07-22 02:23
Omfg braindead boi spotted learn how to read
2019-07-22 02:43
#69
2019-07-22 03:16
Healthcare should be further privatized is one of the most right wing things I've heard
2019-07-22 20:13
But it's true. The reason health care is so expensive is because the government has sooooooo many regulations which force companies to price medication higher so they can still profit
2019-07-22 22:32
the reason healthcare is so fucking expensive because people are bound to pay massive amounts to insurance companies.
2019-07-22 22:37
M8 u know what insurance is?
2019-07-23 00:18
ENCE losing so they bring up NA HeAlThCAre.... pathetic
2019-07-22 01:04
Trump is actually one of the best presidents america has had in recent times
2019-07-22 01:06
yes in certain ares but as a public figure he has been one of the worst.
2019-07-22 01:07
you wouldnt wanna grab some wemen by the pussy?
2019-07-22 01:12
sargon trump is good because he triggers the libs of aklad
2019-07-22 02:00
im sorry for bad title, when i said NA healthcare i was talking about american healthcare, not including canadian. i should have titled the post as USA healthcare.
2019-07-22 01:08
#43
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Canada TorontoSucks 
ignore #42 then, my bad
2019-07-22 01:51
#14
sh1ro | 
Sri Lanka rageN1x 
"i have 30% body fat and i'm happy with that" "it's not important how you look. important how u feel in yours body" and one more - they think that lgbt movement is normal. washed up sheeps burgers i hate them so hard
2019-07-22 01:09
#40
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United States jay_320 
The fact you just hate a country of 300 million as a blanket fact sort of makes you an asshole. If a woman allow you to touch her I think you'd be able to work some of that out. Outlook probably pretty grim on that one though?
2019-07-22 01:48
did u know US has so many fat people that they had to increase normal bmi range, the higher part of normal in US is considered fat in Europe
2019-07-22 02:32
name checks out
2019-07-22 03:39
#15
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France Dov 
Actually from what I've read, hospital knows most people can't afford to pay the full bill so they just take what the patient can pay. Basically you can negotiate your medical bill on the tel.. Wtf
2019-07-22 01:10
Not exactly accurate. You can negotiate the bill down 20% usually if you pay it all within a short time (like 2-4 weeks). Healthcare costs are the #1 reason (every year), people go bankrupt. We need universal healthcare.
2019-07-22 01:13
+1
2019-07-22 01:52
how does that have anything to do with the thread ?
2019-07-22 01:10
Only about half like the healthcare system as it is. Unfortunately, those tend to be conservatives who are scared of "Socialism". It's nuts, really.
2019-07-22 01:11
#28
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United States Nohj_ 
+1
2019-07-22 01:25
yeah.. ive seen so many conservatist americans here shitting on everything including universal healthcare because everyone should have a job and so on.
2019-07-22 01:28
#44
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Europe tweekzter 
True, but you gotta thank dimwits like AOC with her "world will end in 12 years" stupidity for making it so easy for conservatives.
2019-07-22 01:51
Everyone makes mistakes. AOC was just elected 8 months ago and didn't assume office until 6 months ago. She has much to learn yet. I appreciate her energy, directness, and 'won't take shit from anybody' attitude. I also know her heart is in the right place, and that carries a hell of a lot of weight to me. Next to any tidbits here or there conservatives can levy against her Trump is the herd of bulls stampeding through china shops. The few grains of sand where she is misinformed pales against his 50 kilo bags of sand he throws in everyone's eyes on a daily basis.
2019-07-22 02:14
#20
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United States PH4RMA 
It's a web that can't be untangled. Capitalism has its advantages in terms of promoting competition to make the best products at best prices, but for healthcare it's horrible: All hospitals are ultimately businesses. They aren't doing it to necessarily make themselves rich but to hire more staff, buy fancier equipment, expand facilities to bed more patients. They do this by charging crazy amounts for healthcare. One thing the insurance companies do is contract with healthcare providers ultimately limiting how much try can charge for procedures. This is actually to the benefit of the patient. So these massive insurance companies get a bunch of people to buy their insurance and then they tell the hospital here is how much we will pay for X Y and Z, and if you don't like it we are sending our customer base to your competitors. Long story short, while insurance companies buffer the cost of healthcare, they also are businesses which want to maximize profit so they limit what type of medicine and procedures they will cover. At the end, those with the most expensive to treat diseases suffer, and those with the least amount of disease suffer since we pay the premium, don't use the service, and can't leave because we get federally fined for not having health insurance. A little insight from an American ;D
2019-07-22 01:14
In short: you spend 2.1x more money on health care than finnish people but it is trash which is why u have mentally ill people living in the streets (500 000 homeless and who knows how many of the 2million prisoners couldve avoided with better hc)
2019-07-22 03:14
#113
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United States PH4RMA 
Actually it a an objective fact that we have the best healthcare here in terms of what we can treat. People all over the world fly to America for their treatments. It's affordability is what is lacking. Sad consequence of capitalism
2019-07-22 03:44
Thats why you have 84% higher infancy death rate lmao. Finland is capitalist too but has working healthcare because having functional social welfare is just smart finland.fi/life-society/star-quality-fin.. ”Not too long ago, a Los Angeles triathlete flew to Finland for surgery in the southwestern city of Turku. He had been unable to get relief for his troublesome hamstring; three operations in the US had proved unsuccessful.” ROFL
2019-07-22 11:08
#142
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United States jlocash 
No. You have functioning health care because you have 1/70th the population of the US. Healthcare doesn't scale and would fail miserably here.
2019-07-22 19:23
dumbest excuse ive heard in my life, you are already spending 2.1x more on healthcare per person and its bad in comparison
2019-07-22 23:12
Medicare for all has majority support and hopefully it will be implemented soon. The USA has arguably the best healthcare in the world outside of cost, so if we switch to single payer we could become the top healthcare nation practically overnight. Fingers crossed.
2019-07-22 01:16
#23
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United States PH4RMA 
We will have the worste healthcare if we switch to Medicare for all, or we will be crushed with taxes. Likely option #2
2019-07-22 01:19
The taxes you would pay would ultimately be less expensive than insurance costs though.
2019-07-22 01:20
#25
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United States PH4RMA 
Not at all. I'm guessing you're not an adult who pays his own insurance or you're under 25 and still on parents insurance.
2019-07-22 01:22
Right, that's why healthcare is less expensive in every other developed country. Paying for your own insurance is irrelevant to this argument because we're comparing two different systems. Like it or not the data clearly shows that single payer is less expensive. I care more about actual facts and data than your anecdotes, sorry man.
2019-07-22 01:33
#121
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United States PH4RMA 
If you actually care to know the truth, read #20 so you understand why the cost is so high. If you make it that far, understand that government negotiated reimbursement for medical procedures actually causes hospitals to lose money. Medicare for all will force hospitals to fire staff, leading to less efficient medicine, more.mistakes, more people dying. I'm actually an American educated doctor irl literally dealing with this stuff for a living and it shocks me how much confidence you have in whatever the socialist Democrats fed you to believe something that all virtually all healthcare professionals disagree with
2019-07-22 03:54
check some data how many went bankrupt after getting more sick than flu. sure you might get away with couple hundred bucks and sore throat but when you get actually sick you are fucked unless you pay those stupid expensive premiums.
2019-07-22 01:34
+1. americans pay so much to for their insurances that a bit more taxes for universal HC would become cheaper actually.
2019-07-22 01:22
Of course it's great when you have an accident, e.g. getting your hand into a saw and at the hospital they ask you which finger you want to keep, thumb $15000, middle finger $10000. Oh I can only pay one. LUL
2019-07-22 01:16
#47
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United States jay_320 
It's funny that people think this is how it works. For people that aren't fucking stupid you get a decent job and they pay half your premium. Just to like the people who actually care. I have great insurance and don't even think about that shit. It may as well be a tax considering the way it just comes out of my paycheck. If Democrats want to figure out a cheaper system I'm all for it but this idea ppl have that health care is like a vending machine is stupid.
2019-07-22 01:51
1. except for the people who can't afford it and/or don't have a decent job 2. It works pretty much everywhere in the western world, except USA apparently fReEdOm ThOuGh
2019-07-22 02:21
#27
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United States DiabIo 
i love how an ence fan is talking about .... our healthcare ... after chicago... like what
2019-07-22 01:23
i have made threads about this prior to chicago. also im really not a ence fan even tho i do carry finnish flag.
2019-07-22 01:26
#30
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United States PH4RMA 
Was probably a side thought when they went to pick up depression meds for free
2019-07-22 01:26
Rich coming from ”opioid crisis”-country, maybe go snort some more xanax
2019-07-22 02:36
#34
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Croatia mds818 
tbh I'd rather use such system, taking croatia for example if we exclude visint a doctor when you have the flu which is like 1 visit in 5 years or less I never really had a chance to say that I like really needed medics, yes as an example I can say thank you for checking me up when I had a car crash for example(no injuries) but for anything more serious I have to go to the private clinic and pay because normal hospital just couldn't solve my problems..
2019-07-22 01:35
#39
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Europe tweekzter 
Paying a bit more taxes? Most of what you pay the state is for health care, only a small part are actual taxes. Yeah, there are benefits, like when you have illnesses and probably the price overall is smaller. But lot of people are acting like in europe you pay 50$ for health insurance.
2019-07-22 01:45
i suppose ur military bills just get paid by God. Taxes have nothing to do with that.
2019-07-22 01:50
#52
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Europe tweekzter 
wtf, you are talking about taxes. All I am telling you, is, that the majority of what you pay is for health care, not taxes. At least in germany and Austria.
2019-07-22 01:58
are you even american ?
2019-07-22 02:00
someone has to have a military, europe is lazy and doesn't even pay their nato dues.
2019-07-22 02:04
actually our new minister of defense wants to pay them, but now all lefties are triggered
2019-07-22 11:37
#42
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Canada TorontoSucks 
NA =/= just USA Canada healthcare is similar to that of EU countries which is quote and quote free. It has advantages, it has disadvantages. One of which being that wait times can be long.
2019-07-22 01:50
yes my bad i did try to clarify on a later message. the thread title is wrong since i meant usa healthcare rather than whole NA.
2019-07-22 01:51
The way americans think universal healthcare would work is Just wrong. That's why No one wants it there. The 3 trillion is a straight up lie If you would like at other countries and how it works there.
2019-07-22 01:57
americans dont want universal healthcare because they cant stand the idea of paying for someone elses healthcare.
2019-07-22 01:58
Most people support a singlepayer/government run system, but when corporate power reigns supreme in Washington, nothing happens.
2019-07-22 03:22
we pay for insurance, but we also have some of the highest quality care available on the planet.
2019-07-22 02:03
#60
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United States 1for1discount 
+1
2019-07-22 02:11
that is just false. there is super high tier of healthcare in most countries.
2019-07-22 02:13
you wanna prove me wrong or just babble nonsense?
2019-07-22 02:14
guess how many indian doctors practice in this country? it's a lot bud.
2019-07-22 02:18
its not about where they practiced. the high qualitety resides somewhere else than usa.
2019-07-22 02:21
#76
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United States n3h 
That isnt saying anything about quality, just that its cheaper.
2019-07-22 02:41
nice meme. Spend 2.1x more on healthcare and have 84% higher infancy death rate. ifitweremyhome.com/compare/FI/US (12.7x more likely to be in prison)
2019-07-22 02:41
#84
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United States WindyInu 
if you're white, then that prison chance would probably go down to a number closer to Finland's tbh, a huge majority of our prisoners are non-whites
2019-07-22 02:54
High quality if you can afford it. Imagine going bankrupt because you couldn't afford your medical bills. Only in the good ol' US of A.
2019-07-22 03:25
if you can't afford health insurance through your job, you should find a better job....it's not that expensive
2019-07-22 18:31
Jobs don't grow on trees, welcome to the real world.
2019-07-22 19:02
yeah you put in some actual effort to better yourself instead of relying on the government to take care of you, crazy concept.
2019-07-22 19:32
#68
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United States n3h 
My taxes would prob go up more than im paying for premium. I only pay $60/month and get amazing coverage. My employer pays the rest. Why should I be paying the medical bill of these crackheads who live in the alley.
2019-07-22 02:24
for some people yes the taxes would pay more than others. but mostly universal healthcare would get cheaper than paying massive amounts to insurance companies.
2019-07-22 02:24
#72
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United States n3h 
No No No Instead of our employer paying most of it, we will end up paying for the entire thing out of our taxes. If USA implemented universal health care like bernies plan I would end up paying 44% income tax instead of 22%. My taxes would double... So instead of paying $750 a year for insurance id be paying over $4000
2019-07-22 02:38
nice meme. Average american spends 2.1x more money on healthcare than a finn thru taxes and we dont have crackheads living on the street ifitweremyhome.com/compare/FI/US
2019-07-22 02:44
#80
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United States n3h 
Yes the health care in general cost's more, but the insurance which pays for it is cheap. 28% less likely to be unemployed. Yea we need more bums like you.
2019-07-22 02:47
our unemployment is 8% yours is 6.2%. But u have 12.7x more people in prison that arent counted in statistics as unemployed and homeless people in the streets, so the jokes on you.
2019-07-22 02:49
#83
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United States n3h 
Our unemployment is 3.8% bud.
2019-07-22 02:49
nice, and 2million prisoners and 500000 homeless and 50000 homeless war veterans. Great country idd. imagine losing your job and then not affording premium 4k and getting hit by a car or whatever fucking gg
2019-07-22 02:57
#87
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United States n3h 
People in prison or homeless its their own problem, no one forced them to commit crimes, a lot of the homeless choose to be because they don't want to work a job, universal healthcare will just add to the luxuries of the homeless man. The unemployment rate does include these people however and they make up the majority of the 3.8% There is plenty of jobs available, if I lost my job today which I wont because its a stable job and im protected by union. I could get a new one the next week.
2019-07-22 03:05
Lol no. Most of homeless are homeless because they have problems and not 4k premium, but you morons rather have them in psychosis in the streets than taking care of them. Like I said, you spend 2.1x more money on health care than we do, and its pretty bad value.
2019-07-22 03:05
#89
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United States n3h 
But in the end we dont pay more than you individually, you pay a shit ton of money though tax's. We pay for insurance. Yes the medical bill from the doctor is higher than it would be in your country but the medical insurance company is paying that bill. So pretty much the insurance company is universal healthcare for working people giving us the low monthly payment to pay those high bills. Enjoy your 51% income tax rate, ill enjoy my 22%
2019-07-22 03:15
You exactly do pay 2.1x more how is it hard to understand lmao. My income tax is 35% and i make 200k per year ty.
2019-07-22 03:18
#97
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United States n3h 
The bill from doctor is 2.1x that isn't what is coming out of my pocket though. I just pay the medical insurance.
2019-07-22 03:26
So you think insurance companies have a money printer? nice burger brain
2019-07-22 03:38
#108
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United States n3h 
No all the insurance customers pay the monthly medical insurance. When someone gets a medical bill the insurance company uses the money from all the insurance customers. Universal healthcare for the working man pretty much.
2019-07-22 03:39
So why 2.1x ? Because some person doesnt happen to have premium and he will end up selling his home and go bankrupt to sell his hospital bills. Nice system 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 How much premium will you pay when you are 75yo jobless? 15k per year?
2019-07-22 11:33
#134
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United States n3h 
Thats what medicare is for bud which you can start getting at age 65. Y'all retards dont even know how our current system works yet you down it. Its 2.1x because the doctors charge more because they can and 99% of people who own a home are smart enough to have health insurance.
2019-07-22 14:18
You sound like typical redneck who has never travelled abroad, am i right? Mexico and canada doesnt count
2019-07-22 16:55
#141
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United States n3h 
Changing subject because you know you are a retard and yes I have been out of the US other than mexico and canada.
2019-07-22 19:12
r/The_donald user
2019-07-22 20:22
nt commie
2019-07-22 02:36
NA isn't just USA...
2019-07-22 02:45
universal health care is trash though?
2019-07-22 03:02
US meme
2019-07-22 03:24
Brainwashed people who vote against their own interest. Small businesses would benefit from a government run healthcare system, the American people would benefit. The only people who don't are insurance companies.
2019-07-22 03:24
#98
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United States n3h 
Would I benefit by paying $4000 more in taxes per year? Thats how bernies plan shows it. It would pretty much just help businesse's the workers are gonna get fucked.
2019-07-22 03:30
If not going bankrupt is benefiting, then yes. Having peace of mind that you won't lose your healthcare if you lose your job.
2019-07-22 03:31
#100
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United States n3h 
Id rather put that $4000 a year in a savings or 401k and buy my own insurance if I lose job or until find a new one.
2019-07-22 03:33
So you're okay that hard working people can go bankrupt anytime because they can't afford their medical bills?
2019-07-22 03:33
#103
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United States n3h 
If they are hard working they should have insurance that will pay for medical bills. If they choose to not get medical insurance thats their own fault.
2019-07-22 03:35
Not everyone can afford insurance. Insurance that many times barely covers their average needs. Just get insurance 4Head Just don't go bankrupt 4Head
2019-07-22 03:37
#106
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United States n3h 
If they are employed their employer most likely offers insurance. You cant afford insurance, rethink your priorities, stop getting your daily starbucks and get insurance.
2019-07-22 03:38
Not every employer will offer good insurance, what if you lose your job. Lets pay 2x more than other countries for health care, then get worse results. I've lived in Canada, the UK, and the US. The US has by far the worst healthcare for the costs (for the average person) out of those 3 countries
2019-07-22 03:42
#111
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United States n3h 
Then find a new job that will offer good insurance, there is tons of jobs out there. How will you lose your job? Do your fucking job and show up for work.
2019-07-22 03:42
People get fired, recessions happen, technology happens. Very feeble minded thinking coming from you. Imagine telling a cancer patient that got fired to just get another job.
2019-07-22 03:45
#114
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United States n3h 
Good working people dont get fired for no reason. Yes if there was an economic collapse you could have that $4000 you saved each year to pay for your own medical insurance until the economy recovers.
2019-07-22 03:46
That 4K is already going towards private insurance. Also, people get fired all the time even if they're good workers.
2019-07-22 03:46
n3h have you been diagnosed with autism yet?
2019-07-22 11:25
#136
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United States n3h 
No sir.
2019-07-22 14:13
not existent. US = 3rd world country /thread
2019-07-22 03:41
#126
Dosia | 
Denmark Zaerdna 
Don't get all this shit about universal healthcare and the waiting time being bad? We have universal healthcare here and I have never been told to wait, neither has anyone in my family or my friends. I think a lot of people are over-exaggerating about the problems in universal healthcare. I think most people wouldn't mind the American system if it wasn't so overpriced and in ridiculous fashion.
2019-07-22 11:15
#130
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
You are wrong. In Eu countries, you pay a lot more in social benefit than in the USA. 6000$ there is like 2000€ here for living costs. Also, their whole system is built on debts. School, University even apprenticeship. All you have to pay. No majority wants that except the USA.
2019-07-22 11:32
#155
Dosia | 
Denmark Zaerdna 
Do you understand basic English?
2019-07-25 12:41
+1 when i'm sick i get an appointment at the same day or the day after (worst case)
2019-07-22 14:13
My maximum out of pocket per year is $1800 for my family, so I will keep my insurance over your taxes.
2019-07-22 18:35
#149
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Switzerland Sylleo 
I'd kill for a public healthcare system. Here it's privatized yet mandatory, the cheapest one is almost 300$/month and gets you almost nothing.
2019-07-22 22:59
what do you mean with privatized yet mandatory ? like obviously healtcare is mandatory for everyone nowadays but is there some outside thingy like government forcing you to pay that ?
2019-07-22 23:27
#152
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Switzerland Sylleo 
Yes, the gov forces every adults to buy a private insurance. You should never be forced to pay a monthy fee to a private company that sells you a shitty service. That's what I meant. A fully privatized sector should be competitive and aim to drive the prices down; here it's the other way around they all collude and prices keep hiking. And the gov looks the other way.
2019-07-22 23:37
damn feels shit. hopefully it gets better.
2019-07-23 02:24
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