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EU EXCUSES
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Japan PKcrash 
Notice how anytime Liquid wins EU always bring up majors. Even though all of those people mentioning that are people who's nation never won a major. Are you Finish? Spanish? Or anyone else who's country never won a major? If so, you are just riding off the coattails of France, Poland, Sweden, etc to compensate for your lack of majors. "NA" didn't win 1 major, USA did. So why is it different for you? I laugh every time I see some random no scener mention EU's majors like it means anything, EVEN though their country contributed nothing.
2019-07-22 01:10
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
let them be.
2019-07-22 01:11
Otaku 0 major
2019-07-22 01:11
#4
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Japan PKcrash
True, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out the obvious.
2019-07-22 01:13
I know, tbh for me personally the majors France won almost doesn't count since teams weren't that good that time
2019-07-22 01:15
Lmao wtf? Who cares if they weren't good according to you. They're still majors.
2019-07-22 04:08
+1 they're still the best at that time
2019-07-22 19:26
#80
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Germany RobiDable
More like 0 scene, but that's not the point here.
2019-07-22 06:22
#3
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Finland Tusku
ive been a noscener until the last like 13 months so i cant say anything
2019-07-22 01:13
I have a solution for all this shit: Dump all toxic fans (particularly ences & liquids after today) off a cliff and let those who can behave stay right where they are. Done.
2019-07-22 01:13
hi im toxic liquid fan. Where is the cliff
2019-07-22 01:26
Let me show you the way sir
2019-07-22 07:07
Hey what bout me & my BR friends??/
2019-07-22 01:31
Same for brazilians, whenever SK started their downfall they would bring the fact that thery won 2 majors.
2019-07-22 01:13
When people dont have arguments they always use the "but we won more majors HAHA NOOBS" as their last resort
2019-07-22 01:16
#24
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Japan PKcrash
People are getting too caught up on majors in general. Who invented the rule where you had to win a major to have an era? Nobody. I guess this means Gambit had a 1 week era, according to this logic.
2019-07-22 01:23
Mongol brain strikes again... You don't have an era because you won the major, but you have to win the major to have a solidified era.
2019-07-22 01:56
#48
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Japan PKcrash
Tell that to the idiots that believe having a major is required for an era. Not "solidifying" it.
2019-07-22 04:03
Yeah the "bUt dId tHeY wIn a mAjOr" argument is load of horse shit. I can name some legendary players who haven't won a major yet but that's not relevant to the conversation as we're talking about teams not players.
2019-07-22 04:08
#87
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Brazil RevvivaL
Well about the SK thing, They had an era not only because they won a major but because they won many other T1 events and were by far the best team at the time.
2019-07-22 06:47
era with 9 months of no winning right in the middle, LUL
2019-07-22 07:20
Any other team that’s won 5 T1 events in a row, has been considered to have an era. Go ahead, try to find one that hasn’t...you won’t. Let alone the fact that liquid secured the grand slam 3x as fast as astralis (the only other team to do so), who is considered to have an era.
2019-07-22 08:03
who tf was talking about liquid and astralis???????
2019-07-22 19:10
Feels nice being Swedish then I guess.
2019-07-22 01:14
#8
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Norway fen0m
liquid is too good right now
2019-07-22 01:14
NA got FUCKED by BR and EU for 20 years and you still talk LUL
2019-07-22 01:14
HHHAHAHAHHA, MIBR SO BAD THAT THEIR STAR PLAYER LEFT
2019-07-22 01:15
read his name boy
2019-07-22 01:47
his brain is delusional
2019-07-22 01:49
#22
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Japan PKcrash
You joking? Brazilian prime time ended years ago and apparently you think BR and EU are in the same league? Talk about delusional.
2019-07-22 01:20
why you fall for bait
2019-07-22 01:47
5/8
2019-07-24 22:56
im "finish" but yes i agree with what youre saying rice san!
2019-07-22 01:14
12 majors btw
2019-07-22 01:15
#20
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Japan PKcrash
Thanks for proving my point Medkit. Can you tell me what Swiss players won the major? Obviously they must be good if they won 12?
2019-07-22 01:19
no na majors either: stew - asian autimatic - asian rush - poland tarik - turkish skadoodle - autism valens - african
2019-07-22 01:49
I'm pretty Valens' ethnicity is Indian, but this is probably a bait anyway...
2019-07-22 04:09
are you sure?
2019-07-22 05:19
His last name is Chowdhury, I'm pretty sure. German education btw.
2019-07-22 06:29
god you are stupid, I feel kind of bad for you
2019-07-22 07:05
I know you were baiting you dumbass. Relax. I just wanted to see if what you said next would be funny, I'm disappointed obviously.
2019-07-22 07:07
dude, chowdhury is an ethnic indian title not to be mistaken as African Unlike I'm pretty sure y'all know FNS, pujan mehta, he's an Indian too but lives in Canada...
2019-07-22 19:15
Nice job not knowing the difference between nationality and family lineage; I thought Danish schooling was supposed to be superior?
2019-07-22 08:05
yikes buddy
2019-07-24 22:38
#44
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United States _Nohj
proving his point lmao
2019-07-22 01:53
Japanese on hltv? Xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-07-22 01:15
No sane person would challenge TL being #1 right now. No sane person would call a team with 0 majors GOATs. No sane person would confuse TL's success with NA (or any other region) being anywhere near EU as a whole. It's people breaking any of these three basic facts that cause outrage.
2019-07-22 01:16
#18
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Japan PKcrash
People who say Liquid are GOATs don't know what it means. I guess they are just drunk on all of the hype or are just plastic fans from Cloud9 / NRG.
2019-07-22 01:18
Probably all of the above
2019-07-22 01:19
#106
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Canada Abolition
As of right now, the T1 NA scene is stronger than any other T1 scene right now, 2 NA teams, 1 Finnish, 1 Danish & 1 French in the top 5. As a whole or historically EU is far away better than NA however. (T1 = top 5, T2 = top 10-15) (this comment does not disagree with anything else in your comment, however)
2019-07-22 07:18
I disagree with your arbitrary definition of t1. Even if I did accept it, the top 5 consists of 16 EU players and 9 NA players, yet you think it shows that NA is better? How? Imo you have to look at top 15 these days. Teams like NaVi, Fnatic and Mouz are more dangerous in any given tournament than i.e. NRG or Furia, just not very consistent (or not attending in NaVi's case). If we're being real, Denmark has a stronger scene than NA, that's how not close it is.
2019-07-22 09:21
but there are also like 1000 eu teams and like 10 na teams
2019-07-22 18:33
Honestly not sure about the overall player pools, but it's definitely true in the higher tiers, which again is exactly my point.
2019-07-22 18:39
NA only makes up 23% of the total pool of csgo player reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/78.. the scene is also much younger so obviously they arent gonna have the same amount of locked in top 15 teams like all the eu teams which have been playing for 15+ years. and honestly do people really think were youre born is the reason for how good an individual is at a game lmaoo the whole na vs eu argument is stupid in the first place. in my opinion.
2019-07-22 20:57
#147
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Canada Abolition
NA is the strongest scene in the top 5 right now, not region, there's a difference (NA is mixed the same way the CIS scene isn't just Russia or isn't just Ukraine), the Danish scene is different from the Finnish scene which is different from the French scene which is different from the Swedish scene etc etc. In the top 10 or top 15 I'd say NA's not the strongest, maybe this new C9 becomes a top 10 team & then NA becomes one of the strongest in the top 10 but it won't happen for a few months. As for the top 5, look at the numbers, 2 from NA, 1 from Denmark, 1 from France & one from Finland.
2019-07-22 20:32
Lol, so you compare a continent of over half a billion people with (mostly) tiny countries having less than 10 million inhabitants? Makes sense. I see a top 5 with 16 players from the EU and 9 from NA, showing that EU is still dominating EVERYTHING except top1 team rn. Btw, funny how t1 is automatically = top 5 now that NRG somehow snuck up there (even though EU is still dominating top5 as well).
2019-07-22 21:28
#158
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Canada Abolition
You seem a little angry, chill out a little. No, I compare CS scenes, not regions. Can you name a Canadian + American mixed team? Sure you can, they're all over the place because it's a mixed scene. What you're doing is like comparing Brazil, CIS & NA to the French scene & calling the French scene bad because it can't compare to 3 other scenes combined. Seriously can you not comprehend the fact that a scene is different from a region? The NA scene is called the NA scene because well what other NA country is contributing? There are only 2 top mixed EU teams that I would consider part of an EU scene, FaZe & Mouz. (Now that I think about it a little more T1 is more top 8, w/ t2 being top 9-15 ish). Seriously though as I said, name 2+ teams that have French & Danish players, or Finnish & Danish players, or Finnish & French players. The Danish scene, French scene, Finnish scene, Swedish scene etc are all different scenes, how can you not understand such a simple concept?
2019-07-22 22:38
Mouz, Faze, Vitality & Heroic are all EU mixes in the top 15, that's twice as many as NA. There are also countless mix teams just below the top (like Cr4zy, BIG, GL, NoChance, etc). Just because many orgs prefer single nation teams for marketing reasons, it doesn't mean that they are not connected. If you ever watch EU pros stream they always play with pros from other countries, seldom from their own. Anyhow, discussing arbitrary definitions is pointless. EU is still MUCH better than NA, regardless of whether you consider it a region or scene. That is all you need to know when comparing the two. If you compare NA to individual countries within EU, then sure, they are better than some. Going to sleep now.
2019-07-22 23:21
#17
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Netherlands gelm1r
they sore losers, trying to find any excuse to make TL legendary streak invalid
2019-07-22 01:16
#21
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United States fatburger
+1 I love how na fans are “toxic” when everyone has been saying na this na that and making fun of na for the last 8 years and when we have a good team they can’t handle it
2019-07-22 01:20
europeans are weak. what did you expect?
2019-07-22 05:12
I mean, over the course of 1.6 and CSGO, there's been 44 majors. US has won 4 of them. I don't give a shit if you win one or two, you're still so far behind.
2019-07-22 01:23
#26
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Japan PKcrash
I'm not denying that in a sense, but it's really stupid to think that any random Estonian can go up to you and scream "EU 12 MAJORS" like it means anything.
2019-07-22 01:25
Well yeah, but you can't really compare estonia to usa. So it seems quite reasonable to compare eu to usa or na.
2019-07-22 08:05
#25
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Finland kkd69
nobody is denying that liquid is easily best team right now, eu just has better scene, even our lower tier mdl teams are better than half of your epl teams
2019-07-22 01:24
It's because the scene is not as big here. CS:GO is like the soccer (football) of video games. I really wish it wasn't. It sucks being an American and knowing nobody that follows CS:GO. FeelsAloneMan
2019-07-22 07:14
#27
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Poland esyi
100% its not because finland is 5m people, while us is 327m it's like splitting whole us to 50 states and saying "alabama 0 major california 1 major"
2019-07-22 01:26
Liquid has two to three good months and everyone is losing their shit.
2019-07-22 01:28
12>1 btw simple mathematic
2019-07-22 01:29
#40
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United States raymoney
Should have titled thread EUcsuses.
2019-07-22 01:48
#45
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Norway CheNaLii
No scener? Why is Mr. Japan talking lmao
2019-07-22 01:53
#49
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Japan PKcrash
I'm talking because nobody else is. You are the closest a no scener can get, having only 2 relevant players (rain and jkaem) and no major.
2019-07-22 04:05
#55
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Norway CheNaLii
Well at least I have a relevant player though. What does Japan have? AXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2019-07-22 04:14
#56
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Japan PKcrash
pretty much nothing but that's besides the point. Did you get triggered because you claim to have 12 majors when Norway did nothing? :]
2019-07-22 04:17
#127
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Norway CheNaLii
As a Norwegian I have never claimed to have won a major, but forexample as an Envyus fan during 2015 I can say that the team I cheered for won a major. Why am I have to fanboy norwegian teams? I dont even like Faze or Renegades
2019-07-22 11:40
you're just proving his point, his scene got nothing to do with the topic
2019-07-22 06:24
"I'm talking because nobody else is. You are the closest a no scener can get, having only 2 relevant players (rain and jkaem) and no major." well, is the last part not exactly what you initially said is the issue? People from countries without a relevant major talking about it? In general, who cares about it? Why get triggered by some trolls in the internet.
2019-07-22 05:57
#132
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Japan PKcrash
idk I care because "EU has more majors" is brought up like every 2 seconds.
2019-07-22 18:18
NA not even a country , they need 2 huge territories to make a proper team LUL
2019-07-22 01:58
Yea and you cant call them out because your country has not won a major either.
2019-07-22 04:06
#57
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Japan PKcrash
with a comment like that, this has to be bait
2019-07-22 04:18
just like you saying eu cant call out na?
2019-07-22 04:18
#59
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Japan PKcrash
What are you even talking about? What does JP not winning a major have to do with calling out people who hide behind major wins their country didn't achieve?
2019-07-22 04:19
why would you even care, its a NA, EU rivalry
2019-07-22 04:21
#65
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Japan PKcrash
because I like Liquid and usually people bring up that Liquid has 0 majors.
2019-07-22 04:32
EU irrelevant aside from Astralis for last 2 heck even 3 years always Liquid/Astralis back and forth even in 2017 EU wasn't on top LUL and now NA on top
2019-07-22 04:23
And everytime ence wins and mibr loses someone is like HAHAHA ENCE 0 MAJOR MIBR 2 MAJOR
2019-07-22 04:22
#64
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Czech Republic Puget1
Us has 50 states Na has over 300 M people Eu over 500 M and since most of European countries have English as a second language it's harder to create a superteam
2019-07-22 04:28
And Germany has 16 states, Switzerland has 26 cantons etc. That's a bad argument tho
2019-07-22 04:41
#69
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Czech Republic Puget1
Small states, irrelevant
2019-07-22 05:10
Many states in the US are also small. Nt, prokda. Plus there is much more difference, in Switzerland many cantons have different languages(same in the Northern Italy, where some regions speak mostly german or french). They are much more 'differenct states' at this point. So you destroyed yourself with your own argument.
2019-07-22 18:31
You just proved my point by saying that their languages differs a lot
2019-07-23 01:49
Which means they are more like different countries. That doesn't prove your point at all lol
2019-07-24 15:10
English as a second language it's harder to create a superteam
2019-07-24 15:12
#67
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Brazil hugoooo
wow that was beyond retarded lol
2019-07-22 04:58
#68
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Czech Republic Puget1
Still better people per major ratio than SA or NA
2019-07-22 05:10
#120
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Brazil hugoooo
Your posts explain why China and India are the biggest powerhouses of CSGO.
2019-07-22 08:29
I don't see Chinese or Indians talking shit about others though?
2019-07-22 09:19
#146
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Brazil hugoooo
That's exaclty my point... Population doesn't matter when comparing countries and their success in esports. Otherwise, China and India would dominate the whole thing.
2019-07-22 19:50
Europe has almost a billion people dude lmao.
2019-07-22 06:36
#89
masq | 
Czech Republic Puget1
EU has 500+
2019-07-22 07:01
Apparently around 750 million nvm, it was between what we both said.
2019-07-22 07:06
#93
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Czech Republic Puget1
EU != Europe
2019-07-22 07:07
Oh just the European Union? Why not include all of Europe? Norway is still apart of Europe even if isn't in the EU.
2019-07-22 07:08
#98
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Czech Republic Puget1
Ok then Americas with 1 billion people has won 3 majors
2019-07-22 07:10
Tbf SA and NA are considered different continents.
2019-07-22 07:12
Considered to be 1 CS region by Valve
2019-07-22 07:13
Doesn't Valve also consider all of Europe one region, except for CIS?
2019-07-22 07:16
Yeah and?
2019-07-22 07:17
What do you mean 'yeah and'? Non-EU countries and EU countries are considered one region also.
2019-07-22 07:26
You are just repeating your argument, already okayed that in #98 and then we moved on to Europe > Americans
2019-07-22 09:22
Alright. This isn't even worth arguing about tbh, it's purely your opinion what you want to consider a "region" at the end of the day.
2019-07-22 09:24
"Americas minor"
2019-07-22 07:31
The population size is irrelevant. The amount of exposure CS:GO gets in NA is so low in comparison to EU.
2019-07-22 07:38
Just because it's talked about in Denmark doesn't mean that in other European countries people even know about the game
2019-07-22 09:24
I actually enjoy it, shows how retarded some people are. Like coping with a pain that doesn't exist.
2019-07-22 05:13
#108
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France FrighTyyy
+1
2019-07-22 07:19
#73
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United States 0123Rhm
People also have to remember that the NA CS scene has seen two major setbacks. First when the CGS crashed and second when IBP got banned. If IBP didn't get banned, NA might have won a major before 2018 but that's just pure speculation. The crash of the CGS really set NA Esports back and the scene took years to get back to the point they were at then, and by then EU was too far ahead.
2019-07-22 05:39
I'm finnish and a huge ENCE fan (not plastic like 90% of their fans) and I make no excuses. OP had some close rounds but ENCE fucked them up, nuke was a plain disaster and inferno was too little too late. Liquid was by far the better team and they deserved it all the way (except for stewie, rounds go 48-20 in favor of liquid and that obnoxious pug star can't even get green kdd despite all his trashtalking)
2019-07-22 06:10
He barely had to do anything on the first two maps. Doesn't everyone have games where their team is so good they end up bottom fragging because they didn't have to do anything? I swear half this forum doesn't even play this game lmao.
2019-07-22 07:10
My friendly american mens, bottom fragging doesn't mean you have to keep dying 😎
2019-07-22 07:12
Tbf I have a ton of games where I don't have to do anything and end up bottom fragging with a lot of deaths. It's because I don't get any kills on the rounds my team does well because I don't have a chance to, but on the rounds my team loses or almost loses the opponent bests me.
2019-07-22 07:14
Tony, can you shut up?
2019-07-22 06:12
#86
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Spain Adruvi
Really are you comparing a continent with smalls EU countries ?? If any country of EU was like USA or Canada of bigs will be more different. But how like you, USA > spain, finland and another smalls EU countries without major...related feelings
2019-07-22 06:46
Well liquid needs a major to prove themself and we will see how that will go soon
2019-07-22 07:04
#107
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France FrighTyyy
Who cares about EU?
2019-07-22 07:18
Just don't listen to all the kids crying. Liquid is way better than any other team right now. End of the story
2019-07-22 07:58
Na is joke
2019-07-22 08:32
Best of NA > Best of EU right now We all know this, and we admit it It's just fun to trigger some weak american kids Most of them don't fall for the baits
2019-07-22 12:00
#133
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Japan PKcrash
if only they didn't fall for logically incorrect bait :(
2019-07-22 18:20
I mean... a bait is supposed to be logically incorrect, right ? For example I like to randomly say that Liquid never won a t1 event, which is stupid, everyone knows it. But some people keep falling for it
2019-07-22 18:26
#136
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Japan PKcrash
imo bait should be stupid, but accurate enough for someone to believe it.
2019-07-22 18:27
what is this shit thread? People fighting over who has won more majors is the definition of hltv. This argument has been used since the start and this is what makes hltv "hltv". Get your ass outta here.
2019-07-22 12:04
still eolithic best cs 1.5 team ever
2019-07-22 18:22
LMAO Europeans love to live in the past and talk about their previous major wins because they know America has the most dominant team CURRENTLY
2019-07-22 19:17
era can't be confirmed without major title (exception is nip because back then there were no valve majors and overall they got this title but 1 year later) PS: PL WON the major, so my opinion is worth something
2019-07-22 19:18
Imagine being so insecure about being NA that you fakeflag
2019-07-22 19:20
#148
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Romania kr1tex
Cuz it's stupid to compare Na to Spain, no? It's continent against continent retard and our continent is better at cs, that's it
2019-07-22 20:35
Why can someone from Wyoming claim to have won a major, despite the fact it's Texans, Californians, and New Yorkers who win the majors wtf I mean, the federal government said it's illegal to smoke weed but you can do it legally in California and Colorado, it just shows how the EU is more powerful than the federal government of the U.S. (shows the unity) krappa
2019-07-22 20:36
#150
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Romania kr1tex
+1
2019-07-22 20:35
yeah and fuck the government thats why us is #1 the more powerful the government the shittier your life gets you communist retards.
2019-07-22 21:06
Yeah fuck my bad life, fuck my shitty life, and fuck my shitty commie retard government sign my petition to re-instate the articles of confederation but this time worldwide.
2019-07-22 21:10
i mean your people have scene more than anyone both estonia and romania how shitty an extremely powerful (soviet) government can be. the government needs to be limited before it infringes on the unalienable rights of its people. (like the us) we have individual based laws made for the people that live in those states (citizens still have a say on what goes on in their life here).
2019-07-22 21:22
I agree, your government is great and im suck
2019-07-22 21:23
Yeah, when he proves how stupid OPs logic is just start talking about politics, nice dude, I bet the Estonian guy had a choice where he is going to live when he got born, also call him a retard, you are a shame of a fan for any team, let lone the one that is 1st atm.
2019-07-24 23:15
this whole EU vs NA thing is laughable anyways, only imbecils care about stuff like that.. same goes for the "my country is better than yours, our military is stronger than yours etc." bullshit... seriously youre only a little wanker in mommys basement, you have contributed absolutely zero to your countries military strength (imagine boasting about your army in 2019) or it´s "greatness" in general.
2019-07-25 00:07
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1.02
Isurus
1.02
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13.50
Bantz
2.23
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1.62
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