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astralis ruined cs
World wtfuninstall 
they spend an entire year playing boring cs and then they ruin another year by not attending any of the big tournaments. like it's actually disgraceful that 4/6 of liquid's wins didn't have astralis competing. heck, not even na`vi were there. wtf has happened to csgo were the top teams no longer compete in the top events
2019-07-22 01:20
"not even navi were there" irrelevent cuz liquid beat navi everytime
2019-07-22 01:21
one of the few teams that can play them in close matches though, and of course s1mple
2019-07-22 01:23
13-1 LAN record since naf joined
2019-07-22 01:23
one of the few teams that can play them in close matches though, and of course s1mple
2019-07-22 01:26
what is close about 13-1
2019-07-22 01:27
16:12 16:12 16:14 19:22 16:14 16;14 16:13 etc etc.
2019-07-22 01:29
they always choke late game, whats ur point 16-0 and 16-14 are both wins, doesnt matter how u win, just matters that u win
2019-07-22 01:30
the game are close and actually interesting to watch
2019-07-22 01:31
#50
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Canada dem0Ns 
> implying that na'vi chokes > liquid pick one
2019-07-22 02:19
+1
2019-07-22 05:04
are u back in 2018? :D
2019-07-22 09:18
#178
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Germany Fabbsen 
2015 ma boy back to back losing scorelines of 15-9 and so on at a semifinal of a major also remember them losing like a 14-3 against NiP at an EPL i believe hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/30738/.. Actually a 14-2 lol
2019-07-23 22:45
LOL hiko remembers
2019-07-24 23:35
#104
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Bulgaria zikinu 
Fucking retard, he implied that Liquid chokes.
2019-07-22 12:36
#108
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Canada dem0Ns 
Fucking retard, he implied that Liquid chokes. how many more brain cells do you want me to lose
2019-07-22 14:17
#133
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Bulgaria zikinu 
Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.
2019-07-23 08:49
#140
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Canada dem0Ns 
go watch navi vs liquid demos and come back later
2019-07-23 09:59
#143
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Bulgaria zikinu 
This doesn't change the fact that he implied liquid choking. In late game (not just against navi), liquid chokes and gives away rounds, they still win.
2019-07-23 10:16
#146
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Canada dem0Ns 
#57, #80, #114, #145 i should stop replying to your stupid b8, dumBaSs
2019-07-23 10:22
#149
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Bulgaria zikinu 
0 iq. No point in arguing using my brain against you. Clearly you are not using yours.
2019-07-23 10:25
#150
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Canada dem0Ns 
rly u like to edit all of ur comments? nt "is this happen bcz we are from BULGARIA?" no brainer LOOOOOL bulgaria education < NA education
2019-07-23 11:08
NA education < UK education. Its true tbh.
2019-07-24 08:51
#191
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Canada dem0Ns 
yes but bulgaria < na
2019-07-24 11:19
+1
2019-07-24 13:09
#141
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Canada dem0Ns 
also nice edit
2019-07-23 09:59
#142
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Bulgaria zikinu 
Yeah added "dumbass" to emphasize your stupidity.
2019-07-23 10:14
#147
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Canada dem0Ns 
#146
2019-07-23 10:22
#52
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Palestine J1reN 
RetArd
2019-07-22 02:24
borgers dum dum
2019-07-22 04:26
burger brain omegalul
2019-07-22 08:33
NA 0IQ expected
2019-07-22 22:17
72 iq dog
2019-07-23 10:17
a win is a win at the end of the day thats what matters mens
2019-07-24 13:12
NaVi <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Liquid NaVi <<<<<<<<<<Astralis NaVi <<<Vitality NaVi <<<Ence
2019-07-22 08:55
+1
2019-07-22 09:41
sorry, but navi >>>>> ence and vitality
2019-07-22 09:59
#106
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Hungary muszakk 
sorry but Navi<<<<<<ENCE/Vitality
2019-07-22 12:41
sorry, but aug was nerfed
2019-07-23 07:29
At least navi won ence in.bo3
2019-07-23 08:57
#151
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Hungary muszakk 
one time? XD and this is why NAVI better OMEGALUL
2019-07-23 12:30
i said at least, i didn't tell that it the only reason why navi is better, don't be mad
2019-07-23 12:32
That fat and sugar you are consuming getting to your brain
2019-07-22 08:51
#49
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Canada dem0Ns 
just a correction *13-2 also fatburger stop creating alts
2019-07-22 02:18
13-1, post the 2 maps
2019-07-22 10:42
FaZe have a great record against Liquid. At the very least some close matches
2019-07-22 09:47
faze is dead
2019-07-22 19:08
#115
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North America noahB_ 
No one has a good record against liquid since they become top 1, liquid literally havent lost a series since against vitality in the finals of summit.
2019-07-22 22:20
#125
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Serbia nzzm22 
funny that g2 almost beat them twice tho, g2 would prob get beat more easily by the rest of the top 5
2019-07-23 07:22
Difference still is they didn't. You can't expect liquid to win 16-0 every game they play. "almost beat them" is not relevant.
2019-07-23 14:03
#222
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Bulgaria zikinu 
+1 mate.
2019-07-25 09:09
Tired of liquid fans, who don't want to listen you if you talking about liquid pre-era . He doesn't even fucking mean he is talking about liquid era. Wake up, erjan
2019-07-23 09:02
2019-07-23 09:10
FaZe looked better for the first two maps anyway lol. They shoulda taken it
2019-07-23 13:20
yeeeep, luccky liquid
2019-07-23 14:02
xd
2019-07-22 01:30
#90
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Ukraine Syom4ik 
Edward played with NaVi. Its very big advantage for top teams and bad mappool. NaVi always started match against top team(Astralis, Liquid) from 0-1, and 4 against 5(may be 3 for 5 if Zeus played well))))
2019-07-22 09:41
#2
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Finland Tusku 
blast happened
2019-07-22 01:21
#123
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Brazil Maujubudo 
+1 blast ruined CSGO
2019-07-23 05:04
#168
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Germany 0b1_ 
+1 shit event
2019-07-23 17:43
#210
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New Zealand Eauor 
yup, one of the main reasons shit started to spiral downward for the scene.
2019-07-24 23:40
#3
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
cringe
2019-07-22 01:21
#4
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United States SilveryoHD 
are u implying astralis would beat liquid?
2019-07-22 01:21
No burger brain, he is implaying that maybe they could compete against Liquid.
2019-07-22 01:24
But they already can??
2019-07-22 01:33
yes, that they can for sure.
2019-07-22 01:38
#55
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United States SilveryoHD 
ur a fucking dunce
2019-07-22 04:19
#60
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United States Hubterbean 
+1
2019-07-22 04:32
#225
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Poland misterr_ 
who is dunce
2019-07-25 14:43
im implying that astralis not being at the events make the events inherently worse for competitive cs. of course you want to see liquid get where they are by demolishing the team that just had their era, rather than coasting through events that don't even have them in attendance
2019-07-22 01:25
Well in the rare occasion that Astralis was at an event Liquid was at hltv.org/matches/2334355/astralis-vs-liq.. Cologne doesn't count, Liquid never met Astralis at the event
2019-07-22 04:24
very close and exciting game that cemented their position above them. if only astralis were contesting at the other events instead of liquid having a free pass
2019-07-22 19:07
Yes if Astralis was at the other events and Liquid met them then I agree it would've been better overall for everyone tbh
2019-07-22 22:14
asstralis era ended at furia, ngl asstralis is back to its old form
2019-07-22 12:39
#54
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United States SilveryoHD 
BLAST OMEGALUL true blastralis fan
2019-07-22 04:18
#33
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India Vik_csgodota2 
they just beat liquid in march like 4 months ago? Wtf is your point?
2019-07-22 01:38
#53
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United States SilveryoHD 
liquid just beat astralis like 2 tournaments ago and at cologne yall lost to vitality who liquid just beat twice asstralis
2019-07-22 04:18
#72
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Denmark sNju 
Fucking burger brain think this is rock-paper-scissor... A team can lose 16-0 to Astralis, but next game beat a team that Astralis just lost to. There's thousands of factors that can change the outcome of a CS match.
2019-07-22 08:19
#74
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Italy Gio_bose 
Yeah but astralis weren't good enough to even get to a stage where the could play liquid
2019-07-22 08:22
#121
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United States SilveryoHD 
yea and 1 is liquid being better than astralis fucking retarded dane no argument besides "hurr durr burger brain" maybe be original next time?
2019-07-23 04:48
Astralis lost that game to Vitality only becores ZywOo was TOTALY insane. When Vitality come to the final he played so bad. Vitality was not the right team in the final if you want the a team to kick the liquid in the ass. AND get the fucking flag of that liquid is a USA team. most of the player is from EU!!
2019-07-23 08:56
#185
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United States SilveryoHD 
zywoo played bad because liquid shut hin down just like s1mple also jesus 0/8 b8 christ
2019-07-24 06:41
You cant shut lucky shots down.!
2019-07-28 22:36
He is saying throwing away their era was bad for counter strike because your just giving Liquid free victories, getting rid of the exciting battle of liquid trying to overthrow Astralis and that Astralis could have competed/stopped Liquids current dominance.
2019-07-22 09:51
Astralis will be back to their era after they win major 4th, you heard it from me first
2019-07-22 01:22
#73
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Denmark sNju 
I promise you that you were not the first.
2019-07-22 08:19
Would not be an era if they don't continue winning afterwards. Era means: dominating the scene over a certain period of time.
2019-07-22 08:57
That's what i really tell you, they will dominate again
2019-07-22 12:11
Also the first major was not won by the same Astralis squad.
2019-07-22 08:57
apart from Magisk
2019-07-22 12:11
Liquid always beats navi"
2019-07-22 01:22
liquid beat astralis when they did play so what's your point pussi
2019-07-22 01:24
would you not prefer they beat them at every event? just like astralis did during their era? as a fan of competitive cs, i think not having the best teams in attendance at all the big events is terrible for the scene
2019-07-22 01:26
I don't care who plays as long as its exciting to watch. If astralis are gonna play below average then fuck em put vitality in or some other top team.
2019-07-22 01:31
but the issue isn't that theyre playing below average, it's that they're not playing at all. they literally aren't attending the events
2019-07-22 01:38
I mean they lost furia when they did play so that's not below average?
2019-07-22 01:41
#70
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United Kingdom EKersh 
burger brain he is saying that it doesn't matter how they play, it only matters that they actually do play at these events
2019-07-22 08:04
why have all the retarded people from NA come out for this thread :(
2019-07-24 16:45
Yes, Canada does have the greatest csgo team atm. btw astralis vs liquid h2h - Astralis 21 wins vs Liquid 6 wins
2019-07-22 01:27
and what about this year
2019-07-22 01:29
ESL proleague final 21/06 1-2 Liquid (Remember the game? Inferno was just b-retakes, b-retakes, b-retakes. Astralis could just have easily won that bo3 series. Blast pro Miami 13/04 0-1 Liquid Blast pro Sãu Paulo final 2-1 Astralis Ibuypower masters 1-2 Liquid
2019-07-22 01:37
blast don't mean shit for nothing
2019-07-22 01:40
U r right, then u only won 4 times against Astralis
2019-07-22 01:42
oof, that was good
2019-07-23 10:24
Neither does Ibp Masters
2019-07-23 08:58
Ur r Rights, Liquid only won 3 times against Astralis then. Good point
2019-07-23 13:58
#76
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Italy Gio_bose 
Astralis could've but they didn't. We cannot dwell on what could've been we must focus on what is. This year: Liquid 6 - 5 Astralis
2019-07-22 08:25
Did you watch the match?
2019-07-23 13:58
#170
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Italy Gio_bose 
So what does it matter Astralis have fallen off the face of the planet compared to what they were last year. Doesn't matter how close it was or that Astralis could've won because they lost.
2019-07-23 21:41
yes they have fallen off. I think Dupreeh has needed some time to get over the loss of his father and device, only Allah knows whats up with him. With all these small battles * Stewie: we “100%” win the next major. * This makes Them hungry for the first time since back2back major.
2019-07-23 22:18
#181
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Italy Gio_bose 
Liquid are also very hungry for the major as 4 of them have never won it and they have not won that many trophies as a team so they still have the drive
2019-07-24 01:14
Yeah, but Astralis always had the upper hand against Liquid. I say we are in for a treat. But people dismissing astralis is a joke
2019-07-24 01:38
#183
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Italy Gio_bose 
I wouldn't call it a joke as taking in to account Astralis's state right now and their form they are looking at a semi final appearance at best and if they get an unlucky match up maybe even a qf or group stage exit
2019-07-24 02:20
Ok kiddo, you’ll be damned
2019-07-24 08:45
#188
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Italy Gio_bose 
I didn't stay that was going to happen but that is the most logical prediction off recent results
2019-07-24 10:55
#34
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India Vik_csgodota2 
hltv.org/events/4328/blast-pro-series-ma.. Really man? Are u this stupid?
2019-07-22 01:38
blast
2019-07-22 01:40
#129
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Still a tournament with a sizable prize pool. Literally no one benefits by losing the bo3 so why wouldnt they try?
2019-07-23 07:28
#10
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Brazil ferst 
foda-se
2019-07-22 01:24
#11
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Germany sinons 
cry is free
2019-07-22 01:24
#23
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United States jay_320 
What's stupid about this type of argument is the poster doesn't realize that a completely new crop of teams have come up and replaced the teams that were great last year. Vitality and Ence weren't even a glint in anyone's eye a year ago much less top 5 teams. NRG was just n ow making their way to relevance. Astralis is still good just not as good as the current top 3 and maybe worse then NRG too at this point. New blood people. As far as Na'vi goes I have no idea. They should be in these tournaments but they weren't very good at beating Astralis or Liquid so I don't know if it really changes anything.
2019-07-22 01:31
navi beat astralis in the middle of their area (esl one colonge semis) and almost beat liquid with a new fifth. maybe this major is navis
2019-07-22 01:34
#41
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United States shrek1 
hah jbello
2019-07-22 01:47
hi shrek
2019-07-22 04:52
#67
shrek | 
United States shrek1 
yo
2019-07-22 07:54
when we making a team :)
2019-07-22 08:49
#112
shrek | 
United States shrek1 
i quit LOL
2019-07-22 20:48
#77
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Italy Gio_bose 
Liquid 13 - 1 NaVi I don't think Navi have the upper hand in the head to head
2019-07-22 08:27
We though that Astralis's streak vs liquid was permanent also, but Navi like liquid have gotten better with their roster changes and if they progress more they'll be good enough to beat liquid
2019-07-22 08:50
#190
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Italy Gio_bose 
Yes but if you look at it objectively. Liquid still has stronger firepower man to man
2019-07-24 10:58
do you genuinely think ence/vitality are good teams?
2019-07-22 01:39
#128
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Ence and Vitality are great teams with a lot of depth and nuance to their play. But since your replies show and posts show clear ignorance you likely only watch CS for headshots and dont appreciate teamplay and tactics.
2019-07-23 07:26
imagine being braindead enough to think vitality rely on teamplay and tactics.
2019-07-23 13:42
#174
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I guess NRG, Liquid, and Ence are braindead then. Imagine being less successful than braindead people by your own admission.
2019-07-23 22:39
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Canada [toast] 
they dont play rn, cuz they have issue with rfresh poo
2019-07-22 01:32
#40
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United States Deso1ation 
The scene is worse due to player politics. Certain players not wanting to play with others regardless of whether teams their team would be better. This limits rosters from achieving their full potential. Only the rosters that get past politics due to the hunger to win will ever be great. Look at Liquid, 5 or NA's biggest stars put together on a team. These stars are sure to have rather large egos. However, they put aside these egos to play and win. FaZe, on the other hand, failed where Liquid succeded. They dropped their legendary IGL, just because players did not get along. Look at the French scene as well, we could have had a super team this year as well as 2014 and 2016. However, they could not get along. It really sucks when shit like this happens. it ruins the scene completely,
2019-07-22 01:45
Politics kept Liquid from having simple on their roster. Luckily TL has been able to succeed down the line without him, but it was Elige's ego that kept simple from being able to stay on the team, and thats one of the biggest what-ifs in NA csgo history imho.
2019-07-22 05:08
#78
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Italy Gio_bose 
I sware adreN was the reason s1mple left
2019-07-22 08:28
i could be wrong, i remember the story going as elige was doing the whole him or me thing. but again, could be wrong.
2019-07-22 12:32
#127
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nah your right elige straight up said he would carry in s1mples absence.
2019-07-23 07:23
3 majors btw third team to win back-to-back Majors and second with 3 majors. 1 year top 1 and richest CS Go players they dont have the motivation anymore
2019-07-22 01:49
Now they've fallen under the radar, they should have more motivation to get back to the top, shouldn't they? IDK, Astralis might surprise us all again by winning their 4th major come September
2019-07-22 02:18
#43
Other dkzr 
Summer time my friend
2019-07-22 02:12
Astralis will win the Starladder major Don't sleep on their " boring " CS yet
2019-07-22 02:15
I hope so, i'd rather see them on top than liquid
2019-07-22 10:01
Its a new SHIT scene, a fucking hate it so much. A lot of tier1 events, like every 2 weeks, just a good period for Liquid, its not an era imo, just a lot of tournaments in one time. Fuck this scene.
2019-07-22 02:16
Mad
2019-07-22 04:30
#63
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Portugal Slyther1n 
I actually agree. Liquid are through a great half year winning so many events, but its far being an era.
2019-07-22 05:00
#131
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Brazil Moglao 
It's not an era YET, as well as Astralis in their first wins. If Liquid continue winning the rest of the year they will have an era. Actually if they win this major they will have an era
2019-07-23 08:37
#46
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Brazil Wohls_ 
Astralis realized that it was not going well with the camp, so they decided to focus on the most important camp, and all this time was just for them to train, with new tactics and etc, Major is astralis, you can trust
2019-07-22 02:16
#47
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Spain Holiwis 
boring cs? if you play extremely good like guardiola's barça its boring xd
2019-07-22 02:16
Top events 8 teams events choose one
2019-07-22 02:23
astralis ruined cs or rfrsh ruined cs?
2019-07-22 04:27
#211
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New Zealand Eauor 
Astralis made watching CS boring - nothing wrong with that but it was unfortunately the case. However RFRSH truly fucked everything up with Blast and all that.
2019-07-24 23:45
#61
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Spain kroosw0w 
The pro scene died with FNATIC in 2016
2019-07-22 04:34
fnatic is sucks, did you not see? they can't even qualify for a major
2019-07-22 05:09
#69
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China [0x0] 
Are you stupid?
2019-07-22 08:00
#68
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China [0x0] 
Because of Blast
2019-07-22 07:59
#71
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Lithuania N0PEr 
You all noob burgers kurwa
2019-07-22 08:08
zeus ofc. he play cs at 2000y and know all like old
2019-07-22 08:24
#212
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New Zealand Eauor 
translation?
2019-07-24 23:46
Boring cs? Chokequid plays boring cs, pushing randomly through smokes and shit like some dmg newbies, Astralis made their own playstyle and era, Chokequid just doing the same as any random cs newbie do in their matchmaking games
2019-07-22 08:33
Yea the only difference between dmg and liquid is that liquid has the aim to back up there pushes.
2019-07-22 12:33
#118
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Denmark Azyyy 
and the difference between astralis and liquid is that astralis didnt even need to play like unpredictable dmg´s
2019-07-22 22:26
#195
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Germany naeqode 
Anyone who actually thinks that Liquid play random or stupid is entirely clueless about cs lol. They have amazing trade stats, always doing things together, great set ups and huge flash assist %. Theyre one of the most cohesive teams ever, not in terms of strategy but in terms of synergy and teamplay.
2019-07-24 13:19
#203
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Denmark Azyyy 
I know but the point of this is that their playstyle looks very similar to unpredictable dmgs if you dont look for the small details in their setups, and thats just not very pretty to me and many others
2019-07-24 22:27
#81
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France Kalliow 
I like to see others teams in top 10. Astra Navi nip faze mibr mouz started to be boring TL still there
2019-07-22 08:34
#119
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Brazil denishideo 
+1
2019-07-22 22:33
doesnt matter if astralis there or not, #4 team
2019-07-22 08:59
But if Astralis hadn’t started skipping events they would be number 1 continuing their era and denying Liquid
2019-07-22 09:52
That's highly debatable. No way to know regardless
2019-07-22 18:27
#117
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Denmark Azyyy 
its also highly likely though
2019-07-22 22:25
Not really. Liquid beat Astralis at ibp masters, and have looked better than Astralis at every showing this year except the major
2019-07-22 22:53
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Brazil Moglao 
Yeah but they looked better than Astralis just because Astralis started skipping events.
2019-07-23 08:41
Oh sorry, they won one of the shittiest tournaments of all time and the first one of the year but looked worse then Astralis at the fucking Major and also Sao Paulo (which you forgot). Then Astralis started skipping events- end of their era
2019-07-23 13:17
It's not debatable at all. Astralis were the best in the world and Liquid hadn't won a proper t1 event yet. Astralis start skipping events, Liquid start winning, and now Astralis look rusty. Liquid would still have to overthrow them. I wasn't saying that there is no chance Liquid didn't finally overthrow them but it woulda taken a lot more time
2019-07-23 13:15
Hypotheticals are impossible to know, so quit acting like you know, lol.
2019-07-23 17:41
Pretty logical though isn't it? Skipping practice and competitions makes you worse no matter what you do in life.
2019-07-24 13:20
I feel like this year would have had an actual rivalry between Liquid and Astralis where Liquid could actually win some. It'd be more split than last year if anything
2019-07-24 15:07
That's why i said Liquid would have to overthrow them. And also why i'm disappointed Astralis through that storyline out the window
2019-07-24 16:32
Indeed, I still think that Liquid would win more tournaments than Astralis, just not this consistently and out of contest as they are now. Much talks in this thread about that Astralis has become worse (including me), but lets not forget that at the same time Liquid has become much better as well. Just look at Liquids results against the other "good" teams now and then.
2019-07-24 16:35
#206
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Astralis didnt become worse they were just studied for a year and teams figured some stuff out and caught up. They would still beat the mid 2018 version of themselves most of the time.
2019-07-24 23:33
Boring cs that’s not a reasonable point
2019-07-22 09:53
name checks out
2019-07-22 12:34
Look. Astralis did not attend all of the events which is kind of a break. Only therefore was liquid able to win so much. And liquid has no era, as that requires three major wins with two back to back majors. Astralis was much much more dominant and top one for much longer. Liquid will have to win four majors to do any impressive. And Astralis era is not over as the major is upcoming. It is very simple to understand, really.
2019-07-22 12:51
#126
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South Africa nimmaJ 
"As that requires 3 major wins with 2 back to back majors" No that's incredibly delusional. It just requires a period of dominance where a team is clearly a step ahead of the rest of the field. Only 2 teams have ever won 6 events in a row they are Liquid and Astralis. This is absolutely an era because if it wasnt you could tell me a clear rival for Liquid heading into the major.
2019-07-23 07:22
indeed, because fnatic won 7 events in a row. (nice of you not mention them).
2019-07-24 13:21
#202
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I meant big events 2 of those fnatic tournaments were smaller 4 team events and 1 was a clash for cash. Not that that detracts from my point anyway. Astralis and Fnatic are both very clearly era-defining teams, if Liquids only competition, in terms of records in CSGO history, are those two teams (and 87-0 NiP) then the logical connection to make is that Liquid is having an era of their own currently.
2019-07-24 21:39
I'm talking about when dennis first joined. 7 big events in a row. 4 team events didnt exist back then
2019-07-24 22:41
#205
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
I know exactly when you're talking about and you're speaking from a position of ignorance. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4991/fnatic?.. It was only 4 big events in a row. hltv.org/events/1608/fragbite-masters-se.. 4 team non-big event that they won during that period (they had 4 team tournaments just as much back then, if not more, dont know where that came from) hltv.org/matches/2301043/fnatic-vs-astra.. Online clash for cash event. hltv.org/events/2100/esl-barcelona-csgo-.. Very weak field and thus was not considered a big event.
2019-07-24 22:50
7 big events = 7 big events? then u can't count blast either
2019-07-24 23:35
#217
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Except blast is classified as a big event because it still consistently has majority top 10 teams. Either way I dont know why you're arguing, the streaks of Liquid and Fnatic are very similar and can definitely be argued to be equal therefore if one is classified as era the other should as well.
2019-07-25 00:47
Era should be for a long period of time, this is just a period. If they can keep it up being dominant for the rest of the year then maybe. Arguing right now about an era is just plain stupid.
2019-07-25 01:34
#220
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
That's why NBK and multiple analysts have deemed it an era right? If this isnt an era then Fnatic Dennis wasnt an era
2019-07-25 02:02
#116
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Denmark Azyyy 
its actually insane that people still call it "boring cs", I found their playstyle to be way more interesting than what liquid is doing right now, astralis always brought something new to the table, they reinvented the cs meta multiple times on every map available and they did that for a whole year, all I see in liquid is 5 skilled players running on a bombsite headshotting people, and even if it goes bad the just hope that someone steps up and carries. I liked watching peak goat astralis aka the best counter strike ever played (said by multiple professional analysts not me) more than watching liquid right now tbh.
2019-07-22 22:24
Some people just don't understand real CS these days
2019-07-23 13:18
#171
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United States jay_320 
If you two are missing Nitro's incredible flash bang usage I don't know what to tell you. This team almost never peaks when an enemy isn't entirely white. They may not be inventing new nades but I find that kind of chemistry between players way more interesting to watch then a new HE on Inferno that's successful twice in a match. Although I should actually catch myself there because their mid smoke on Mirage literally confuses every team they play against. Just me though. Flag and Flair etc.
2019-07-23 22:06
#173
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Denmark Azyyy 
dont know what to tell you but for me peak astralis team chemistry is also above liquid right now "Just me though"
2019-07-23 22:21
#175
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United States jay_320 
For me I found two things about Astralis's teammplay compelling. Showing how useful the HE nade and HE nade stacks could be. Device's movement. But I don't have a rooting interest and at the end of the day that's going to drive my "interest" level just like it drive's yours. There's nothing wrong with that either. Just human. But for real if you don't notice how good Liquid are with flash bangs then you simply aren't paying attention.
2019-07-23 22:40
#180
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Denmark Azyyy 
no i know how good they are with flashbangs, but thats my point, for me they are almost always running to bombsites with good flashes and headshots, that just gets boring really quickly, at least for me. I want to see new things to keep me interested and astralis were delivering that very consistently. But its fine we just have different opinions on this, no point in arguing.
2019-07-24 00:58
#213
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New Zealand Eauor 
It was good CS but the degree to which the locked people out and crushed all hope for such a long time was depressing for casual viewers. Even I stopped watching a few events because it was so boring watching Astralis shut everybody down time and time again.
2019-07-24 23:49
#216
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Denmark Azyyy 
I think astralis actually had way more competition than liquid right now, really no one can beat them in this weak field, navi just got a new player, mibr is a clusterfuck anyway, astralis fell off a cliff, ence doesnt look as good anymore and only vitality is okay but even they are helpless when zywoo has an off day. Oh and i dont even need to talk about faze do i?. In the astralis era teams were just better it just didnt look like it because astralis was even way better than them. my point is that if you are saying that the astralis era was "boring" because it was a "one team show" then this liquid era has to be even more boring
2019-07-25 00:39
#218
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Not even close lol, Astralis is still better than they were last year, Liquid just improved a lot. Ence had a meteoric rise and is above the level Navi was last year Faze is the same team French scene is relevant again Fnatic is better than last year, still inconsistent tho Navi 7th now shows how many teams have improved when last year they were 3rd, arguably 2nd Mouz looks to be equally as competitive as they were last year NRG hit their peak this year North and Renegades are both better than their previous versions Furia at 9th compared to who was there last year BIG/NiP is very telling. So many teams have had amazing rises to the top 10 (due to it being fragile last year) or have simply become improved versions of the team they were last year. Going into the player break we have a much stronger top 10 than we did last year.
2019-07-25 00:56
#223
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Denmark Azyyy 
haha you cant be serious, 1. this astralis would loose to the liquid of last year 100% 2. ence looked wy better at the major than not 3. navi is way worse than last year right now because of the new player 4. Faze is not the same team they have NEO now lol and olof plays way worse 5. g2 and vitality are good but not good eneaugh to win titles 6. fnatic is so bad right now that they are considering roster changes 7. mouz won titles last year, they arent even close to that point right now. 8. NRG´speak isnt that high to begin with they win against worse teams and loose to better teams they will never be more than a middle of the pacl team 9. Renegades got worse and north has a new ingame leader and are worse right now they still have to get good
2019-07-25 14:39
#227
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No they wouldn't, how can you possibly think the same 5 players have gotten worse at the game, that's not how it works, teams just surpass you. This Astralis is still the most detailed team and still has amazing teamwork and truly would be way ahead of where Liquid were last year tactically. They made so many improvements after they got stew. Navi is worse because of their new player? What evidence do you have to suggest that? Boombl4 has a higher rating than Edward and is clearly more impactful, they immediately got top 4 at the most stacked event of the year. Its just that theres so many other teams that have risen up. Faze with neo and faze with adren achieve the same exact results and level of play and olof is the same as he was last year statistically, please stop making things up. Even if you think Neo is slightly worse it doesnt change the range of their results. They make the odd top 4 at stacked events and usually make playoffs and that's how its been for like a year now. Vitality has won 3 titles this year and was in the final of the 2nd biggest event this year. You're either ignorant or trolling. And the point is that G2 is a better team then they were last year, what dont you understand. The entire top 10 is more competitive I like how you contradict yourself - exactly mouz won titles last year and were still forced to make changes because they couldn't keep up with other teams as the scene got more competitive. Now they have a roster of arguably higher skill and are lower ranked. What does that tell you? That there are more competitive teams this year. NRG pretty much only loses to top 5 teams and either way the point is that they're stronger then they were last year. I could make the same claim about them last year that's irrelevant. Renegades literally performed better than they ever have this year and thats inarguable. Then you mention teams that made improvements like Fnatic, North, Cr4zy. All improved versions of themselves and capable of upsets vs elite teams.
2019-07-25 15:06
#122
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Qatar PrisMcsgo 
I miss the days when cloud9 was best in world and had best era
2019-07-23 05:00
#124
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
But Astralis are back to attending events. ECS, EPL, Cologne, Major, Malmo. Not every big name team is going to be at Chicago, it's an 8 team event. Why are you focusing on the past instead of being excited for teams to prep for the major?
2019-07-23 07:19
liquid's playstyle of outaiming opponents is something we saw already - fnatic/nip/sk even ENCE showed on inferno how liquid struggle vs proper execution with lack of space mark this - liquid top 5 till the end of the autumn
2019-07-23 08:59
#154
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Czech Republic Aleksib0b 
Liquid is fun to watch tho.
2019-07-23 13:16
Woah now thats an autistic thread which contradicts himself lmao
2019-07-23 10:16
#214
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New Zealand Eauor 
itself*
2019-07-24 23:50
#158
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Denmark Kon10R 
The "boring" stuff about Astralis is for druling screamers and howlers. ANY professional CSGO player and/or team spend A LOT of time studying them last year. They brought SOOO much new stuff to the game, and now everybody else caught up! It's probably THE MOST exciting time in CSGO history ... after Astralis taught the world how to go about it! ;O)
2019-07-23 13:31
flag and badge checks out
2019-07-23 14:09
#169
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Denmark Kon10R 
Never understood these comments about flags and badge. Should I support G2 or Mibr when I'm from Denmark? OF COURSE I'm a fan of Danish CS: 5 teams in top#30! Pretty good, don't you think? Regarding Astralis, it's a different story. I'm not giving you the usual "fan-crap". I'm talking about a team, that changed HISTORY of CSGO. Even as a Belgian, you should be able to understand that. And Ence? They have even been called "mini-Astralis" due to use of utility, tactics etc. Cammaaan. Grow up, and write some intelligent comments: I KNOW you can! ;O)
2019-07-23 18:20
#159
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India K_chin2 
top 5 teams are a joke now, t3 teams can beat top 5 teams they are inconsistent af
2019-07-23 13:33
#176
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope that's more so the scene being incredibly deep and having amazing levels of talent even at tier 3.
2019-07-23 22:41
Undoubtedly Astralis is very clever, while all teams are in the end of season, they have stopped before all the others and will arrive at MAJOR in the best form.
2019-07-23 14:06
#177
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
I don't think so because Liquid is n1
2019-07-23 22:42
#179
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
ur mom ruined prostitution
2019-07-23 22:45
#184
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United Kingdom replicanoob 
astralis will beat liquid in major
2019-07-24 02:26
pro cs is well boring compared to a few years ago
2019-07-24 11:21
+++++++++1
2019-07-24 23:38
#215
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New Zealand Eauor 
no VP no fun :(
2019-07-24 23:52
+1 Big shame man
2019-07-25 09:06
#224
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Denmark Ritsuryo 
"Ruined" cs another sliver player thinks astrlias style is boring go back to mm
2019-07-25 14:41
No, Astralis is a very good team and I like them. I'm s1mple and NAVI fan, but I like Astralis. AUG and the shit silver weapons ruined profesional CS, not Astralis.
2019-07-25 14:47
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