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Liquid vs Astralis
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
It may be early days in the Liquid era but from what im seeing they may be even better than Astralis, the way they are not just winning vs the best but often just blowing them out to a degree even Astralis didnt.
2019-07-22 15:01
liquid wont win the major.
2019-07-22 15:03
#7
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Canada [toast] 
ZywOo wont make Top 1
2019-07-22 15:08
#10
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
You got him good lmao+11
2019-07-22 15:10
lmao he got me haHAA
2019-07-22 15:53
it's true
2019-07-23 04:55
shutup indian
2019-07-23 09:02
name LULW
2019-07-23 10:07
please chill out men))
2019-07-23 10:09
#193
hommii | 
Iceland ban1c 
flag LULW
2019-07-24 21:32
forsaken is it you?
2019-07-28 09:00
LULWWWWW
2019-07-29 11:31
#362
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Denmark Xipingu 
Flag checks out LULW
2019-07-30 06:10
#51
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Spain Rafamaster122 
+1
2019-07-23 10:39
S0mple won't win a major.
2019-07-27 09:38
#275
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Canada [toast] 
Dev1ce wont be a top player, will be dropped off to T4 😙😙🙂
2019-07-27 10:29
#299
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
Well Thats just unrealistic kiddo.
2019-07-28 00:10
#363
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Denmark Xipingu 
3 majors > 0 majors lul
2019-07-30 06:12
#370
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Canada [toast] 
Yes JW
2019-07-30 10:44
#371
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Denmark Xipingu 
Also device.
2019-07-30 11:49
#374
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Canada [toast] 
Flushin toilets nab
2019-07-30 12:13
#375
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Denmark Xipingu 
Imagine being mad about a player having 3 majors LUL But yes please do that for me. For free. r/choosingbeggars
2019-07-30 14:32
+1
2019-07-28 05:16
LOLOLOL
2019-07-29 11:30
they will easy
2019-07-22 15:56
#192
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United Kingdom jellywank 
i bet you £20 they win the major
2019-07-24 21:30
#262
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United States Samsquanch_ 
+1
2019-07-27 08:10
#213
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Peru AgentLF 
nt Giants
2019-07-25 06:31
stop it little boy. you're too small to be taken seriously by real men
2019-07-30 07:18
#376
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Denmark Xipingu 
There’s always a chance that they won’t, but outright saying they won’t is stupid af. -1
2019-07-30 16:08
shut up
2019-07-22 15:03
Astralis were blowing everyone out of the water in their first few months, when they werent individually shit, werent they?
2019-07-22 15:03
liquid is shit? their median rating is 1.15 nt
2019-07-23 10:10
Content??????
2019-07-23 10:13
magisk and device were the only good ones on the team elige twistzz and naf are the good ones on the team
2019-07-23 10:14
Maybe they were the consistent ones, the others were quite good as well in their moments
2019-07-23 10:15
naf inconsistent tbh lol
2019-07-29 11:31
Hahahahhahhaa omg. Another retard that did not see any of astralis matches.
2019-07-23 11:20
Other than the finals where astralis slayed liquid every time
2019-07-23 11:21
cry is free
2019-07-24 05:50
I think also that astralis top 13 now
2019-07-24 15:31
#296
cRy | 
Denmark IzFree 
0/8 definitely a top 14 team
2019-07-27 21:41
#357
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United States duckmaster45 
0/8 top 15
2019-07-30 02:27
0/8
2019-07-24 15:04
Literally 0/8 All liquids players even won't make top20
2019-07-27 07:51
#263
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United States Samsquanch_ 
XD you either hate NA that much or you don’t know shit about CSGO
2019-07-27 08:11
I don't hate na at all LMAO... I actually like liquid and i even defended them in several topics but no way that nitr0 will make top20
2019-07-27 09:31
#267
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Turkey IlikeSausage 
Same was in 2018 how the fuck should xyp9x or gla1ve will make it to top 20 But hltv has this weird thing where the best team has all members there at top 20 no way dev1ce was number 2 over Niko
2019-07-27 09:34
because they had better ratings+xypex had awesome clutch stats+xypex had 8 and gla1ve 9 evps...thats why
2019-07-27 09:35
Based on what? I believe it was the first a team had all the 5 players inside top 20.
2019-07-28 08:45
#303
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United States Samsquanch_ 
nitr0 will easily make top 20. Save the thread.
2019-07-28 07:20
he will not most likely...
2019-07-28 07:28
probably gonna be around #16-20
2019-07-28 07:33
nitr0 is a monster on overpass , also Stewie is one of the best players in America
2019-07-27 07:55
#323
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United Kingdom iowBill 
Surprise surprise - the only relevant American team has some of the best players in America.
2019-07-28 17:23
brutal. savage. rekt.
2019-07-30 07:42
What you're saying is complete utter bs. Insane fragging IGL, dupreeh is great, magisk is great, device is insane, xyp9x is the clutch minister. All of them are good, there's no one bringing the team down. And I know what's gonna come after this - flair checks out.
2019-07-27 16:01
Asstralis won’t win another major
2019-07-28 07:51
Cloud9 will never be at another major
2019-07-29 11:27
maybe 🤔
2019-07-29 11:32
+1
2019-07-29 11:32
#372
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
Lol you added and extra s after the "As" spelling Ass and lowkey roasting Astralis! You're a genius
2019-07-30 11:54
Ikr I’m super smart mens)))
2019-07-30 19:01
"liquid is shit? their median rating is 1.15" "magisk and device were the only good ones on the team elige twistzz and naf are the good ones on the team" median rating of astralis in 2018 - 1.17 keep trying
2019-07-27 09:34
yes .2 rating makes an incredible skill gap!
2019-07-28 07:32
it doesnt but its you who acts like liquid is individually much better than astralis was in their peak and that it was only dev1ce and magisk which isnt true at all
2019-07-28 07:33
1.17-1.15=0.2? Na brain
2019-07-29 11:28
no its not na brain is burger brain bro
2019-07-29 11:45
More like the average brain power on tellus
2019-07-29 13:19
#361
shroud | 
United States HowToK 
reading comprehension 0
2019-07-30 06:02
Astralis won 2 majors, Liquid how many? ... oh yes, I remembered 0 majors
2019-07-22 15:05
#6
s1mple | 
Europe el1teman 
Doesn't mean liquid won't win this major
2019-07-22 15:08
Doesn't mean liquid will win this major either
2019-07-23 10:32
It doesnt change anything Liquid still top 1 lul
2019-07-24 21:41
#264
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Latvia Frip! 
+1,but Idk why, I got this feeling that they won't win major
2019-07-27 08:11
#8
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Canada [toast] 
Liquid won Grandslam 4x faster than Astralis did
2019-07-22 15:09
Thats easy with no scene
2019-07-22 15:57
#35
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Canada [toast] 
Astralis are just plebs
2019-07-23 04:40
No I think thats a nolifer like you that is a pleb.
2019-07-23 11:00
#89
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Canada [toast] 
Danish scene LUL
2019-07-23 20:26
Astralis 3 majors CIS 0 majors. LUL
2019-07-23 21:06
#126
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Canada [toast] 
Danish scene 2019 LUL
2019-07-24 04:24
#135
zonic | 
Denmark Hulvin 
Can you say something else?
2019-07-24 08:22
One major and will get another
2019-07-27 07:59
Cis 1 Major tho?!
2019-07-24 08:56
Had to try
2019-07-24 14:14
#255
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United States Degree|CSGO 
CIS has a major you idiot.
2019-07-27 07:16
I was kidding retard American
2019-07-27 11:19
#281
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United States Degree|CSGO 
0 IQ worst joke ever not funny didn’t laugh
2019-07-27 15:58
Expected from braindead Na.
2019-07-29 11:29
X god says: Objection!
2019-07-27 09:40
Scene is just as good as it was on astralis era
2019-07-23 11:07
Not really.
2019-07-23 11:09
In Astralis era scene was good? like only Liquid could compare to them.
2019-07-23 21:09
Compare with them? Not really
2019-07-23 21:12
Only they could even beat them which one could do it also? S1mplevincere where 4 players baiting for 1? destroyed and washed up FaZe? M16R?
2019-07-23 21:16
Reported
2019-07-23 21:18
Flag checks out.
2019-07-23 21:19
Ok poland betrayer
2019-07-23 21:21
Yes ofc not how could i be so stupid such strong argument men)) Fucking low iq dane
2019-07-23 23:30
Oh im so sorry Mr HIGH IQ PARIS KID.
2019-07-23 23:47
Not really
2019-07-24 15:02
Kys
2019-07-24 20:49
Report
2019-07-25 08:13
*deport
2019-07-27 16:03
they also played 4 events that are grand slam events in 60 days I doubt astralis did that
2019-07-23 10:43
Navi and Astralis not being in those events. Not that impressive.
2019-07-24 13:26
#182
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Luxembourg _hhh 
Navi and Astralis. Not that impressive. Vitality and ENCE. Impressive.
2019-07-24 19:15
OK - When you gonna change your flag?
2019-07-24 20:54
#205
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Luxembourg _hhh 
Idk probably never
2019-07-25 00:09
#231
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Canada [toast] 
ESL PRO LEAGUE, ESL WAN COLOGNE
2019-07-26 20:00
so 2 out of 6.
2019-07-27 00:04
#183
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Germany Fabbsen 
Tbf Astralis really joined the IGS with their new roster way later than it begun. If we take their roster change in february it was i believe, it was like 9 months and Liquid did need like 5. If we take Astralis first victory, which is when they really joined in IGS its only 7 months. And tbf not every event Liquid won had top teams and they still struggled. They almost lost to fnatic and G2 in BO5 finals. I really like them too tho. If they can keep up the form like against Ence then it'll be cool, but it were only teams like nV, Ence and Vitality they were blowing off. Ence tends to struggle since the aug change and Vitality is a hit or miss
2019-07-24 19:20
+1
2019-07-24 21:38
#217
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Liquid needed 2 months or 63 days to be exact from first win to colgone. Same arguments can be made for last year - Liquid was hit or miss too, especially in finals and Navi had deadweight on their team and after that the top 10 was super fragile. I mean MiBR and Faze were considered elite teams. Theres no conceivable way to argue that last year was more competitive than this year when we literally have a majoirty of the same teams at the top with improved versions of themselves, an incredibly deep tier 2 scene, and a bunch of teams that had incredible rises thru the ranks like Ence, Vitality, and Furia.
2019-07-25 06:50
#248
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Bulgaria zikinu 
+1 except furia. They are good but weird.
2019-07-27 06:36
3 majors* and 2 in a row, ye and its gonna be 3 in a row, mark my words
2019-07-23 09:09
#184
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Germany Fabbsen 
Would be nice, thats the time to come back for Astralis. As long as they don't lose to any other than Liquid i'm fine tho
2019-07-24 19:20
liquid era began after major danish brain
2019-07-23 10:12
We know that trump. But they wont win the next anyway.
2019-07-23 11:09
#121
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Denmark fogxz 
They probably will, Haven't u seen how much they have dominated the last 2 months? Astralis are probably gonna fell out in quarters again...
2019-07-24 02:10
#136
zonic | 
Denmark Hulvin 
R.I.P Danish cs scene...
2019-07-24 08:27
#151
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Denmark Kon10R 
Yeah ... only 5 teams in top#30 ...
2019-07-24 14:22
#148
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United States Hubterbean 
It’s cause Astralis are fucking lazy remember they said they would win ecs, Montpellier, and cologne. How many did they win? 0 it’s not a lack of skill it’s a lack of trying imagine being the best csgo of all time and being to lazy to go to events pathetic imo.
2019-07-24 13:57
Its not easy to be the best team in the world for more than a year having all teams looking at you and trying to counter you. They did a lot of tournament last year though. Just wait and see. Liquid wont keep up for long and they will get lazy And tired at the same time with all that presure being nr 1..
2019-07-24 14:18
#163
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United States Hubterbean 
Still they set themselves to a higher standard and have failed to live up to it and imo it’s because of lack of effort
2019-07-24 15:32
How have hey failed? By being number 1 for 14 month which is the record? Lets se if liquid beats that.
2019-07-24 15:43
Dupreeh's father died just before the last major win. I think he has needed sometime to relax and be with family. Dev1ce only Allah knows whats up with him. First time since back2back major they have something to play for. Think we are in for a treat.
2019-07-24 22:35
Shut up godstralis is dead Asstralis is back
2019-07-27 09:46
#9
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
According to thorin, yes. youtu.be/mUemqbgSuBs
2019-07-22 15:10
#11
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Denmark QBE_ 
Astralis was destroying everyone, Liquid, sure winning but they aren't destroying all the teams like Astralis did,
2019-07-22 15:10
#12
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United States Trump2020KAG 
gla1ve/xyp was destroying everyone in smokes mag/dup/device all really good players fuck the other 2
2019-07-22 15:14
Standard nobrain na scene.
2019-07-22 15:57
#18
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United States Trump2020KAG 
so u denying that it gave them a edge over teams???? u denying that gay1ve was a much much better fragger with it????? shall we go to the stats of him before smoke bug during smoke bug and after smoke bug?????
2019-07-22 16:03
How did they win latest major then? And why did anyone else not abuse this then? I guess it would have been the same for everyone else then?
2019-07-22 16:05
Also read this, but I know a trump retard like u would never understand it. Excuses towards astralis era is amazing and funny. dexerto.com/csgo/astralis-csgo-players-r..
2019-07-22 16:12
#21
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United States Trump2020KAG 
hahahaha fucking retarded ass danish refugee brings up Trump lmfaooooooo please point out when i said astralis didnt have a era?????? u literally had NO argument ATALL for what i said except putting words in my mouth....LMFAO...... if u noticed i said mag/dup/devic all legit good players...IM GIVING THEM CREDIT FOR BEING REALLY GOOD PLAYERS....so yeah nice reply Muhammed about gay1ve and his before during and after smoke bug stats....
2019-07-22 20:01
You can’t be more Danish than me. Don’t trust a name on hltv you stupid American fuck. It’s so amazing how stupid u guys are, but i already knew that from my current job. Okay let me try again MR 0 IQ and this time answer my question. Did you not use excuses as smoke bug? Why did only astralis use that and no one else? No team other than Astralis used a smoke bug to DESTROY every team entire 2018. Stop being a useless american retard..
2019-07-22 20:11
#24
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United States Trump2020KAG 
trust me Muhammed i know astralis has 3 really good players.....but once again them stats???????? u know u have no argument for him he abused the fuck out of it but once again for the 8th time mag dup device all really good players
2019-07-22 20:19
And once again you do not answer my question my muslim friend. But nvm
2019-07-22 20:31
ur such an autism. He said Astralis was a good team, but they had the help of the smoke bug, which helped them greatly. Also Astralis ever without the smoke bug was the best team, but if Liquid continues to dominate the rest of this year, they are defo the GOAT of cs:go
2019-07-22 20:40
Another one that can’t answer my question But let me ask again Mr. 12 year old kid. I know he said astralis have 3 good players, but i don’t see him saying they are a good team though. What i’m also seeing is mental disturbed kids complaining about a smoke bug that apparently ONLY astralis players abused to dominate the scene for an entire year? Please tell me why the fuck would they be the only team to abuse this?
2019-07-22 20:47
no but they used it the most and were the most blatent and when it was fixed it affect them much more
2019-07-22 20:51
How did they win the latest major then?
2019-07-22 20:51
#55
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United States fatburger 
The bigger smoke bug that wasn’t fixed. No one said they weren’t a good team but they were obviously using it
2019-07-23 10:49
Still dosnt change the fact that everyone else used it too then.
2019-07-23 10:58
- They were obviously using it. - How do you know? - Some american fatburger said so.
2019-07-23 21:13
#112
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Not to mention that the claim that other teams weren't using it is even more ridiculous. Sure Astralis was literally the only team that know, doesn't seem fabricated at all.
2019-07-24 01:10
#113
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United States fatburger 
Maybe that the fact that Gla1ve has 57% less smoke kills and Xyp9x has 62% less
2019-07-24 01:51
#208
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nt
2019-07-25 02:14
maybe people thought "if i start walkin into that smoke then xyp and glave most likely gonna shoot me down through spam spots" The opponent watch demos
2019-07-27 00:21
#120
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Italy Gio_bose 
How can you call someone stupid yet generalise over 300million people that's a bit hypocritical.
2019-07-24 02:08
#104
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Germany Sept1c 
Xd biggest fanboi brainwashed f***ot with no brain outside of astralis. Liquid has broken almost every record astralis made and the scene is pretty much the same as when astralis were dominant.
2019-07-24 00:20
Yeah no.... 3 majors and #1 for +365 days Those are the real records to beat. No the scene is not almost the same. Vita and ENCE wasnt a thing a year ago. Navi not playing and Astralis not playing The scene is anything but the same.
2019-07-24 13:31
#147
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Germany Sept1c 
Ence and Vita equal Navi and liquid in 2018 as their biggest "rivals" astralis is not as good anymore but still good enough to be scary and g2 + nrg also able to be good against liquid. So there are more good teams then when astralis was good... At that time astralis only had liquid and Navi "close" to them (North sometimes). U can't say that the current time isn't (more) competitive. Furthermore I agree that they still have to be at the top for so long as astralis were but they still have broken many records of astralis (IGS, map records on LAN, wins in a row and more)
2019-07-24 13:56
Astralis, Liquid and Navi is on another level than any other CS team. Still is. These past month ence and vita has been the only teams Liquid needed to compete against. So Astralis won everything against navi and Liquid and liquid win everything against ence and vita. Navi + Liquid (2018) = much better than Ence+vita (2019) I say Liquid really have had the path cleared for them and that is has been less competetive.
2019-07-24 15:37
What was it fnatic went, 87-0 on Lan? Liquid still dont have that record.
2019-07-24 15:39
#235
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United Kingdom EKersh 
it was NIP
2019-07-27 00:13
Cjool, but doesn't matter, point stands (Y)
2019-07-27 00:22
If Astralis cant beat Nip record. by your logic Astralis has no era because they didnt beat nip. You're Retarded plus Astralis only won 2 majors with Magisk. Not 3 different lineup don't count as combindd eras
2019-07-29 06:36
No? There is just No point of mentioning it, if they didnt beat the record nip have. Why you call me retarded? You clearly have some unsolved issues if you call me that. Deal with Them first, then we can talk politely together afterwards. Bye
2019-07-29 11:32
#207
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South Africa nimmaJ 
How does that make sense when Navi made improvements and is still ranked below Ence. And Vitality is beating the team that used to be the dominant #1.
2019-07-25 02:13
Navi improved? The have made roster change and havn't played. Sure, they are gonna be better, soon, hopefully. ENCE was nerfed when the AUG was nerfed. Haha, beating as in plural? It was 1 game, which ended 1-2. You can not say they are better because of one match. It would be the same to say Ajax is better than Real Madrid, because they won against them in champions League. (My friend, neither Ajax or vita is better) Last time Astralis played Liquid, it ended 1-2 - The deciding map was Virtigo, which in my opinion suits Liquid way better (and what happend on inferno, Astralis could also just as easy have won that game).
2019-07-25 18:15
#310
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Yes navi improved they got rid of one of the biggest deadweights in tier 1. Theres no possible way for them to get worse, they're the same team with the same players who have played for longer and now have more skill and a better teammate. The fact that they're 7th now and were a top 3 team last year tells you how much more competitive the scene is this year Ence is performing as well as Navi did last year and is more capable of beating Astralis and Liquid than Navi were. Its not just one match it's a spree of results. Vitality winning ECS that Astralis attended and went out in groups + the cologne victory. Theres no justifiable way to claim that Astralis is better than Vitality atm. If the year ended tomorrow Vitality would absolutely be considered the #2 team of the year. You do realize that it ended on Vertigo because Astralis were scared and banned D2 which if they were actually confident they never would have. Anyway Liquid is beating the teams that Astralis has been incapable of beating like Vitality and NRG.
2019-07-28 07:36
Lawl. Vitalitet better than astralis - OK!! Alex is happy with you
2019-07-28 10:32
#326
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Ranked higher by HLTV Ranked higher by ESL More tournament victories More tournament success Better head to head record But as I suspected you had no arguments besides biased ignorance. Have fun being delusional.
2019-07-28 22:26
You takling last 3 months? May i remind you Who won the major in marts?
2019-07-28 23:55
#336
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I'm talking the entire year. You forgetting whose won more tournaments?
2019-07-29 07:24
Haha, ok. Vitality win a few tier2 events and that count as more than a major. Good logic. Bye
2019-07-29 11:36
#358
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Finals at cologne, clearly tier 1. You realize Astralis attended ECS right? And lost to teams that Vitality beat? There's a reason they're ranked higher than Astralis on HLTV and ESL. Try using some actual logical instead of being a delusional fanboy. Flag absolutely checks out.
2019-07-30 02:29
#305
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South Africa nimmaJ 
How is Navi in 2018 a worse version of themselves now better than Vita in 2019 who is currently ranked above the improved version of Navi? How oblivious can you be?
2019-07-28 07:27
Because they have been out with roster change last 2 months?? We dont know their state
2019-07-28 10:30
#328
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South Africa nimmaJ 
So because Navi was forced to make roster changes because they couldn't beat other teams that improved (heroic, g2) in EPL groups that means that theyre better than Vitality? Let me spell it out for you Navi was ranked 3rd and replaced their worst player Teams like Vitality and Ence joined the top tier scene and overtook Navi Now there are more teams at or above the same level as Navi was last year Therefore the elite teams have more competition this year.
2019-07-28 22:33
ENCE good? Did you watch their meltdown agaist liquid? Ence nerfed when aug was nerfed
2019-07-28 23:57
#337
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Oh no they lost to one of the best teams in CS history 0/8
2019-07-29 07:25
Well... 5 rounds in ro maps, Ence did not deliever. Sure liquid played 150% but lets not pretend ENCE played like they used to
2019-07-29 11:33
#359
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope they just havent improved as much as Liquid they're still only losing to elite teams.
2019-07-30 02:42
You a liquid fan no wonder. People say this about their fav team every time if they have an era, they was best at the most competitive time. Have you seen apex, nbk & alex play vs liquid? Does they look scary?(Just like some teams looks very bad now when liq playing vs them, was same when astralis was on top, teams looked way worse, cause they played so good, does not mean teams was worse when astralis was on top.) Just don't compare at all, if you are this biased. Can't say if liquid are the best yet, cause they need to remain on top for a long period of time, time will tell!
2019-07-24 22:22
#201
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Germany Sept1c 
I agree with you. It's always the same when a team is on the top but stralis fans are the worst of these people because they can't seem to get over the fact that they aren't #1 by far anymore.
2019-07-24 22:30
#122
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Denmark fogxz 
They are??
2019-07-24 02:13
Yes... but what top three is Best? Navi, Liquid Astralis or Liquid, ence and vita?
2019-07-24 15:40
#23
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United States HyPe_Caliber 
It is also a lot harder for Liquid to blow out teams on maps because of the economy changes. Liquid has to fight through a lot more gun rounds compared to astralis due to how easily resets happened during the astralis era
2019-07-22 20:14
+1 People dont use there brains.. just fanboying
2019-07-22 20:31
#29
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United States Trump2020KAG 
ok but saying the smoke bug did nothing for astralis success isnt being a fan boy????????/ ok
2019-07-22 20:32
+3
2019-07-22 20:37
Snoke bug is equal to everyone hello I think pros who dont know about this bug/feature is dont care about game. Liquid has to fight a lot more gun rounds. So what man? Other teams has to fight a lot more gun rounds against Liquid. This meta is actually boost liquud. Do pug style team care?
2019-07-23 10:22
#105
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South Africa nimmaJ 
And cache removal benefitted Astralis. That's how metas works, the team that adapts the best wins the most. Also the smoke bug was just using the radar properly.
2019-07-24 00:24
#236
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United Kingdom EKersh 
+1
2019-07-27 00:14
more gun rounds is an advantages for Liquid.
2019-07-24 18:11
#46
2019-07-23 10:23
That makes no sense at all. If one thing changed with the economy is that it is much easier to manage it rn. Game being easier rn is no argument to downplay the astralis era. Its the opposite really, they dominated when the game had more complexity to it; this should be an argument in their favor
2019-07-23 21:36
Explain why Astralis hade more anti_eco rounds than Liquid faces en Look at device all clips from antiecos
2019-07-24 18:20
NA brain If the economy changes somehow helps the adversary it helps Liquid in the same way.
2019-07-30 07:10
if there was no astralis era it would be liquid era for 1.5 years
2019-07-22 20:22
if there was no German turks would be still in 1996
2019-07-22 20:20
1+
2019-07-23 10:23
#49
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
can't wait to destroy cocky TL at the major. TL ZERO MAJORS, LOSERS.
2019-07-23 10:27
#52
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Australia t0rrent 
Selective memory at its finest
2019-07-23 10:39
How can it be that one top team is always on top for a year straight and then almost disappears? Team Liquid is the new astralis. Astralis was the new SK Gaming (MIBR). SK was so dominant, coldzera hit every shot like zywo is now. I think its just weird that suddenly a team figures a way to dominate
2019-07-23 11:21
SK wasn't that dominant and s1mple>zywoo
2019-07-23 12:00
2016 was the most competitive year imo NaVi VP SK/Luminosity fnatic in the early year Cloud9 OpTiC Liquid Dignitas Astralis all teams making big finals or winning big events, way more than this year Liquid astralis ence vitality faze?
2019-07-24 01:57
That makes it the worst year because there is no consistency Oh look this team is good for 2 tourneys now they are back to mediocre *cough* g2 *cough*
2019-07-24 08:13
#294
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Luxembourg _hhh 
I don't know if you watched then but it was super entertaining and every tournament was hype because there were rarely solid favorites
2019-07-27 20:35
I did and i found it highly boring winning tournaments means so much less when any team can turn to shit on a moments notice
2019-07-27 20:51
#297
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Luxembourg _hhh 
To each their own I guess
2019-07-27 21:53
It's teams being allowed to use hardware based cheats for a year?
2019-07-24 08:07
#76
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Denmark EyesWallow 
2019-07-23 11:53
#87
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Vietnam comergod1 
Choke??? MVP is so much better than them, just a fluke match and they won16-14 fucking Flukquid
2019-07-23 14:56
#88
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Denmark EyesWallow 
+1
2019-07-23 15:05
Nah. Liquid is winning a lot of tier2 events. Astralis skipped those.
2019-07-23 12:00
And its Liquids fault astralis skipped them? The fact astralis didnt go to tournaments and when they did had poor showings, shows that if they had gone theres no garuntee they would have won or done well. Liquid won IEM Sydney and Dallas against solid competition and its Astralis and NaVi's fault they didnt attend and contend for those titles, not Liquids.
2019-07-24 01:59
That's not the point. Liquid destroys teams mostly in tier2 tournaments. Against tier1 they are dominant as well but less than Astralis were, and Astralis was even skipping some tier1 events and still coming back to destroy the next one. Liquid are #1 and one of the best teams ever but to say they've surpassed Astralis already it's crazy, especially for those reasons.
2019-07-24 13:22
hey... Dont forget that dupreeh's father died in the beginning of the year and device, only Allah knows whats wrong with him. Think a break was needed.
2019-07-24 18:14
#137
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North America noahB_ 
astralis losing every event theyve attended since they won blast sao paulo in march, lost blast miami, lost blast madrid, lost ecs finals, lost epl finals, lost cologne, astralis loser era now
2019-07-24 08:31
I obviously meant last year but ok
2019-07-24 13:22
Astralis era > Liquid era (Liquid era havent even started yet and probably wont start)
2019-07-23 21:18
#123
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Italy Gio_bose 
Lol Ur actually ignorant of you don't think it has started
2019-07-24 02:15
2019-07-24 08:06
Liquid wont win the major and thats obvious
2019-07-24 11:02
#244
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
yeah there are definitely teams that are so much better than them that will clearly beat them right? Nope there aint
2019-07-27 05:56
Navi
2019-07-27 10:50
#293
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Sure Navi could win but its less likely than Liquid winning
2019-07-27 20:14
Who can tell where the road goes? Onlyyy tiiime
2019-07-28 00:05
#300
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
So for "that being obvious" of them not winning. The argument against them seems quite weak
2019-07-28 00:21
Liquid wont win the major because they are actually inconsistent af even tho that they won a lot of tournaments in a row, they are not even close to astralis’ consistency level
2019-07-28 10:28
#324
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
inconsistent before they become good?
2019-07-28 17:59
#103
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
twitter.com/StrikerHLTVorg/status/115308.. Anyone who thinks this isnt an era at this point is a lost cause.
2019-07-24 00:15
Its not an era without a major, but they are looking really strong, so its quite possible this streak could turn into a liquid era. The major is gonna be very interesting unlike last major where the only redeeming quality was ence run.
2019-07-24 00:25
#107
rain | 
United Kingdom J@m3s 
+1 a true era is remembered by the ones who win the biggest tournaments in 10 years time people will forget about blast pros and many events, its the majors that transcend time.
2019-07-24 00:28
#109
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Cologne Sydney DH Dallas and EPL literally are the biggest tournaments. Cologne will probably end up being higher quality than Berlin form what weve seen so far and how Starladder has handled rules. If you think anyone is forgetting Cologne EPLs or Grand Slams then you know nothing about the history of CS.
2019-07-24 01:08
i forgot G2 won epl season 5 until right now when you mention epl's
2019-07-24 02:00
#125
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Good for you
2019-07-24 02:17
#124
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Italy Gio_bose 
I'm pretty sure the Intel grand slam completed in 62 days will transcend time
2019-07-24 02:16
#108
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Astralis era was deemed an era well before the major. Clear double standards
2019-07-24 01:02
Astralis won the ELeague major in 2017 bro.. Come on.
2019-07-24 18:28
#190
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-07-24 21:28
0/8 what?
2019-07-24 21:49
+1 Liquid is crazy. They are too unbelievable at the game.
2019-07-24 08:06
They were just lucky They'll neve win a t1 event
2019-07-24 15:05
#191
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-07-24 21:29
Thanks, finally someone understands this is a bait Man I'm tired of americans thinking I'm serious about it
2019-07-24 22:09
#110
TenZ | 
Japan Misteear 
NiP magic will break Liquid era
2019-07-24 01:08
#111
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United States h4gg4rd 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......EZ4Liquid
2019-07-24 01:10
On average 2018 Astralis is better than Liquid Although, on Liquid's good day, they are the best team in all of CSGO by far
2019-07-24 02:05
+1
2019-07-24 15:34
omg
2019-07-27 05:45
No smokebug no Nvidiastralis
2019-07-24 08:04
They won a major with no smokebug. And other teams could use the smokebug aswell, no? stop with this bs
2019-07-24 21:51
Liquid only got better because they got rid of that brazilian guy forgot his name, i think he's on a BR noob team now though STEWIE2GOAT
2019-07-24 08:11
+1
2019-07-24 15:34
Its so funny watching people shit on the entire CS scene just to make liquid look shit lmfao. You can literally make the same argument for any top 1 team ever.
2019-07-24 08:36
#152
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Denmark Kon10R 
Astralis won 10 of 18 tournaments in 2018, 406 days on top#1, insane winstreaks on Nuke and Inferno not to mention numerous records, practically every trophy there is and of course the most winning team in history regarding cool cash. Astralis changed the history of CS GO tactically with never before seen teamplay not to mention use of utility: They brought about a +100 ADR for months and now we even have some utility usage named after Astralis. That's an "era". Liquid didn't bring anything new to the game. They are just DAMN good at it and it's wonderful to watch! No doubt. Astralis' style wasn't necessarily "flashy". They were just out-smarting their opponents. Of course a few screamers and howlers called it "boring", but all the experts were ASTONISHED by the level of genius, Astralis brought to the game. They are obviously THE MOST studied team of all time: ANY professional team and/or player spend a lot of time learning from them ... and now everyone caught up! But as mentioned Liquid didn't bring anything new to the game so far. Therefore I don't see it as an "era" yet. if they keep up this breathtaking pace and ridiculous level of individual skill for another year, there is of course no doubt.
2019-07-24 15:00
"and now everyone caught up!" doubt "Liquid didn't bring anything new to the game" doubt "Therefore I don't see it as an "era" yet." everything checks out "They are just DAMN good at it and it's wonderful to watch!" enough
2019-07-24 15:05
#158
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Denmark Kon10R 
Definitions of "era": 1) a long and distinct period of history 2) a period of time marked by distinctive character, events, etc. You were saying?
2019-07-24 15:10
I expect them to win berlin Major, if they do so, there is no arguing.
2019-07-24 15:29
#171
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Denmark Kon10R 
HA! You tell that to everybody else in here! ;O) I still don't see any "distinctive character" from Liquid, winning or losing the Major. They are incredibly strong individually, and their pace even caught Ence off guard! But I still don't see the "Liquid style" of tactics and teamplay, inventive and creative stuff, unique use of utility etc. Like Astralis. So there you have it: a LOT of arguing! ;O) (As mentioned elsewhere I actually DO have a suggestion about the "uniqueness" of Liquid: Naf, Nitro AND Stewie can AWP and all 5 players can clutch to a certain degree. In other words they are very "all round" and flexible! THIS may be what we will see in the history books about the "Liquid era" in 10 years. But as mentioned: it's not an "era" yet, according to the definitions.)
2019-07-24 17:37
I don't want to be that bad guy, but ENCE was shocked because of a different reason - their preparations. I, sd someone who believed in them, watched a lot of their games (fluke or skill?) and lately they seemed to be lacking any preparations. On the other hand, they managed to take down Astralis on Nuke with enough prep and AUGs. Liquid seems to play tactics-less, but that's not true. Yeah, they don't play as structured as Astralis. But their Mirage is a tactical/skill masterpiece. Also, they took down Astralis (Thanks Blast) on Inferno. Adding Stewie and Adren was a hella good move
2019-07-24 17:43
#174
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Denmark Kon10R 
You may have a point there! Aleksi actually mentioned in an interview that he and the coach spoke about taking down Astralis on Nuke (Not Inferno: That was BiG, who ended that one.), when they first met! What a goal ... but they DID it! Of course they must have worked their a ... very hard to do that ... And now you sit back and wonder: Was that ALL they wanted to achieve? Yes, they won against Astralis in Madrid. Well done! Who would have "thunk" that even possible? Their aggressive style caught even Astralis off guard ... and Liquid even topped that last weekend in Chicago! I'm still not sure what "uniqueness" Liquid has brought to the game, except from being ridiculously fast and precise on an individual level. There is no "Liquid-style". They are just GOOOOD! Therefore: No "era", but yes: I actually commented on a YT video in January, that adding Stewie would challenge Astralis in 2019! And boy ... they DID, didn't they?! I actually also thought that Mibr with Taco and Zews back on the team would take up the challenge as well, but that one was a "swing and a miss". Life is tuff at the top of this world ... as in any other world in the universe! I actually wasn't sure what Adren could or would bring to the team ... but looking at the results so far I don't need to worry! Liquid was the "eternal number two" last year. Must have been tuff ... but now they found the "holy grail" and they deserve EVERY trophy they can get their hands on! But "era"? Nope. Compared to Astralis they have a long way to go. Winning the Major? Good progress. Staying on top#1 for +406 days ... THAT would be som'din'! Winstreaks close to 30 or even 20 ... as well as some utility usage named after them ... Now ... THAT would be an era greater than that of Astralis!
2019-07-24 18:13
Except fpt Astralis, what other "eras" do you call eras? fnatic, sk, faze...
2019-07-24 18:18
#179
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Denmark Kon10R 
Wow ... DAT'S a tuff one! Thank you! ;O) First of all: Earlier editions of Counter Strike I don't know much about. I of course as a Dane got into CS when I found out about a certain team dominating the scene about 1,5 years ago. Astralis stole some headlines here and there in the sports media, so I began studying the game with some "seriousness". I don't play it myself. I'm a chessplayer and love strategy and tactics in ANY part of life, but I'm too old to play CS as a player. After some experience and watching a hellovalotta games I of course picked up knowledge about the background of the current scene. The famous "Olof-boost" and all that ... I'm not quite sure how I shall compare for instance the "Fnatic era" or SK gaming and bla bla with today's CS GO scene. SOOOO many things have changed: The number of competitive teams at the very top is one thing ... map pools ... and they changed the awp because of KennyS killing EVYONE ... In short: the Astralis era was the first that got me attracted and into this world. I understood - by listening to all the "desks" and experts at several events - that something extraordinary was going on with the rosterchange of Kjaerbye-bye leaving and Mag1sk arriving ... but "eras" before Astralis from 23rd of April 2018 to 27th of May 2019 I simply don't know much about. You may know more than me, so teach me! ;O)
2019-07-24 18:37
Respect for admitting you don't know much, not everyone is willing to admit this simple fact I started watching (seriously) with New York 2017, so I don't know that much either... except for Faze being once a great team
2019-07-24 19:09
#185
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Denmark Kon10R 
Yeah ... I also thought that Faze with the Karrigan-lineup would tear down ANY opposition. But nope: "Fastest guns in the West" didn't cut it ... And Liquid actually MAY BE the "fastest guns in the West" at the moment ... but time will show for how long they can keep up the current domination of the CS GO scene, if that's all they have up their sleeves. There will ALWAYS be another "fast gun" ... like ie. S1mple. Now Zywoo showed up, and there is Cerg, ChrisJ or Niko out there as well ... Not to mention Dev1ce. Liquid has A LOT of firepower with this roster, but no "era" yet.
2019-07-24 19:44
Let's take a seat and wait... Have a nice day, kind sir
2019-07-24 19:47
#210
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Denmark Kon10R 
Same to you, my friend!
2019-07-25 06:25
Liquid is mix of Faze 2017 and Astralis 2018. that's why they are so dominate. Teams.
2019-07-29 06:18
#340
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Denmark Kon10R 
I see what you mean! ;O)
2019-07-29 10:31
#215
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You dont need to have a distinct or unique style to have an era, thats a nonsensical argument. You simply need to be the dominant team for an extended period of time, doesnt matter how you do it. If a team had a player go 80-4 every game and he was just that talented it would still be an era.
2019-07-25 06:45
Ohhhh oHhhhhhh XaxXAX
2019-07-24 15:30
#252
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Bulgaria zikinu 
Then sk never had an era.
2019-07-27 06:59
#167
Xyp9x | 
Greece Graecos 
I completely agree!
2019-07-24 15:38
#180
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Denmark Kon10R 
Yes, I'm Danish, yes, fan of Astralis ... but I try to keep my arguments and posts "level-headed" based on statistics and results as well as comments from the experts. I donno shit ... but I spot EXPERTICE and PROFESSIONALISM in a split second from 200 kilometers. I DO think, Liquid derserve ANY trophy they can get their hands on these days! They were CONSTANTLY "number two" last year ... worked sooo hard ... (as any professional should ...) And THEN they added Stewie! SLAM, BAM, DUNK! What a team ... but "era"? Nope.
2019-07-24 18:47
#206
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
But "era? Nope. Why, because you say nope? Have you seen some of the statistics? twitter.com/StrikerHLTVorg/status/115308.. twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1150637443965.. They're at 22 bo3+ now in a row, breaking Astralis streak. Intel Grand Slam in 63 days. When the only teams we can compare them with are other era-defining teams dont you think its sensible that they are also having an era?
2019-07-25 02:10
#211
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Denmark Kon10R 
#158 I'm not convinced yet, but I understand if Liquid-fans think so! Enjoy the day, my friend!
2019-07-25 06:28
#212
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
a long and distinct period of history Half a year is a long time in CSGO history its like 1/10 of its existence a period of time marked by distinctive character, events, etc. The period of time is clearly marked by Liquids dominance, including the Grand Slam and seeing as how they have no real rival id consider that a distinctive characteristic. Its not just Liquid fans, dont belittle the argument like that. Its all types of fans, analysts, other pros, etc.
2019-07-25 06:33
#219
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Denmark Kon10R 
As you wish!
2019-07-25 10:33
#221
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No magic needed, just basic reasoning skills.
2019-07-25 10:49
#222
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Denmark Kon10R 
And btw: the top#1 spot was taken over by Liquid June the 3rd, so it is only barely two months.
2019-07-25 10:51
#225
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You know that's an arbitrary way to determine the era. It should begin at the start of the tournament run.
2019-07-25 11:54
#226
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Denmark Kon10R 
You HONESTLY feel, the "Liquid-era" began, when they were number two on the ranking list ???! ;O)
2019-07-25 13:32
#227
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
As all eras go you define the beginning when they win their first big tournament and the end when they arent competing for titles consistently. You say Astralis era was 14 months so if the last tournament they won was BPS Sao Paulo at the end of March and we go back 14 months to the end of January 2018 SK was first. Even if we go back 12 months to March 2018 Faze is first. Eras start when the team initially begins winning tournaments and proves their dominance proceedingly.
2019-07-25 14:22
#229
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Denmark Kon10R 
He ... Your wording in your comments disquise the fact that you are expressing your OPINION. Which you at all times are welcome to. Catch you later, my friend!
2019-07-26 11:18
#230
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
How does it disguise it? Theres no foolery here I'm simply backing up my arguments with logical reasoning while you are not.
2019-07-26 19:45
#232
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Denmark Kon10R 
He ... You are REALLY obsessed with this one, aren't you?! Okay, so let's take a look then at logical reasoning. I stick to hltv.org's ranking list, which shows the world's best teams in order. It is based on a fairly comprehensive algorithm, and the various desks, analysts, experts, commentators and what have you prefer this one to i.e. the one by ESL. Then YOU come along with YOUR OWN idea about how to determine when a team is number one ... Eeeeh ... 'scuse me, Sir ... And I KEEP referring to the DEFINITIONS of an "era". I don't "invent" anything about what is an era or not. YOU do. So .... Come again?! You were sayin'?
2019-07-26 20:15
#240
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
The rankings dont provide a definition of the term era nor do they tell you if a team is currently having an era. We aren't discussing which team is #1 and nothing I have said has went against HLTVs rankings, were discussing whether or not an era is occurring. Not that it's relevant and I have no idea why you brought the ranking system up but HLTVs system is fully algorithmic and therefore is only based on performances. For that reason it can never be 100% accurate, it cant account for things we know. For example a team may be ranked 6th but there might be news circulating that that team is arguing a lot and thinking about changes. Obviously that would lower some peoples rankings of them despite their performances and these are things that math cannot take into account. Furthermore I'm not even sure what your arguing at this point. You're so far off topic that you arent even arguing the original point, your simply telling me that my statements are opinions. Well you know what...every assertion you've made is also an opinion. The only difference is I've backed my assertions up with facts and comparisons to previous eras and you've yet to make any logical claims as to why this is not an era. Tell me how I've invented anything when all I've done is compare liquids success to previous era defining teams and make conclusions off that. "I dont invent anything about what is an era" And I keep telling you that based on the definitions of "era" that you linked Liquid qualifies as having an era currently.
2019-07-27 05:50
#285
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Denmark Kon10R 
First of all: Thanx for a fairly decent discussion! You may not find too many in here ... I have participated in some ... shall we say ... less intelligent debates ... without going too far! ;O) Second: There seem to be quite a few "parameters in the equation" trying to "calculate" if an era is occuring or not. I think first of all, that we are discussing it may show it is not. You may find the hltv algorithm "inaccurate" and claim "the era should start" when the back-to-back winnings by Liquid began. The problem with that assumption is, that the question immediately arises: What happens if the top#1 team loses a game? As mentioned in the comment below, the Astralis Era apparently began (achieving top#1 spot on hltv) the 23rd of April 2018 after winning Dreamhack Marseille. They lost A LOT of finals after that and during their entire reigning period. So: To determine if there's an Era for Liquid right now we may not have the correct - or all - parameters in the equation, if we only look at wins/losses or top#1 or not. That you find it appropriate to count the "Liquid Era" when they were still top#2 according to the hltv ranking list is slightly amusing to me ... but we are ALL entitled to think and claim, what we want! That I find it appropriate to assign an era to a certain team following hltv's ranking list, seems to be "outrageous" or whatever to you! That's all fine. Disagreement may not be the same as being enemies! According to the definitions of an "era" we need the period in time to be "long". Even IF ... we count half a year for Liquid, it is still not "long" in my opinion. 406 days is another thing! Yet again: Disagreement. No problem. Two random users in a chatroom may not change the CS GO history by going at each other! (Again: In a fairly decent manner! Thank you!) The other (crucial) term in the definitions of an era is "distinctive". The "Five Fastest Guns In The West" (literally!) on the Liquid team are wonderfully skilled, winning a lot of peaks, extreeeeme pace ... absolutely astonishing, but compared to Astralis' level of teamplay, coordination, ability to adjust to any team on the fly, use of utility ... they practically re-invented the game with +100 ADR by use of utility ALONE for MONTHS ... And now we even have utility usage NAMED after Astralis on a few maps. Compared to that ... well, yes ... you mentioned flashbangs ... Of course the "eternal number 2 in the world" last year (they were JUST AS DOMINATING on the top#2 spot!) knows a thing or two about this, and having lost 7 of 8 finals against Astralis they learned their lesson! FOR SURE the combined firepower of Liquid after adding Stewie is no less than ASTONISHING! But I STILL need that "little extra som'din'" that makes Liquid UNIQUE! We have seen quite a few "fast guns" like S1mple, NiKo, ChrisJ, ZyWoo, Cerg, Rain, f0rest ... And I probably forgot another 50 superheroes. We may never agree, but once again: A PLEASURE to take part in a debate with someone able to THINK! AND: If Liquid keeps on performing like this for another half a year, I will tip my hat! 406 days on top#1 with all the accomplishments by Astralis was THE most significant "era" there ever was. They CHANGED the game. The "Liquidhasanera!Liquidhasanera!Liquidhasanera! Liquidhasanera!" argumentation may not be necessary or sufficient in my case: Time will show if they will achieve this QUITE INSIGNIFICANT denotation of their period of being the strongest team in the world. In other words: I guess the players neither on Astralis nor Liquid give a DAMN about what is an era. But you and I had a great time during this discussion! Take care, my friend!
2019-07-27 19:00
#301
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Just one thing for you to consider. Let's say Liquid wins 3/4 of the remaining tournaments including the major. By that point it would be undoubtedly an era. So if you were to define that era at the end of the year you would say that that era begun when they won Sydney not when they became #1. Why would you disclude part of their dominance due to a single ranking.
2019-07-28 05:14
#307
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Denmark Kon10R 
It may very well be the case. Of course the possible "Liquid Era" will last a bit longer after the very day they are beaten. It takes a bit of time to achieve the top#1 spot on the ranking list, so in the end it will even out, I guess. It's just easier to follow a timeline of eras following the top#1 spot. The rest is insignificant sparetime activity for nerds in chatrooms like you and me! ;O)
2019-07-28 07:32
#311
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
# of weeks is an arbitrary way of measurement. One team may play 8 tournaments in 20 weeks one might play 12. It's much more about the tournaments you've won and accolades in the period.
2019-07-28 07:40
#322
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Denmark Kon10R 
He ... I REALLY admire your stamina regarding trying to convince me! ;O) I strongly recommend creating nimmaj.org with your own algoritms, statistics, era timelines ... AND chatrooms! I'll promise to pop by every now and then with off-topic comments, hopeless arguments and outrageously stupid logic! Enjoy the summer, my man!
2019-07-28 17:21
#325
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
If you accepted fact and were able to reason logically you would have been convinced already, instead you just dodge the argumentation because you have no counterpoints and continue to try to back out of the conversation. Next time just accept that you learnt something and move on instead of taking pathetic digs at me, fragile kid.
2019-07-28 22:23
#332
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Denmark Kon10R 
He ... What are you ... early to mid-20'es? The stubbornness ... the cockyness about how right you are compared to the rest of the world ... and that everybody else not thinking like you are beyond reach by normal civilization. I don't need counterpoints in the argumentation, since you consider 6 tournament wins for Team Liquid an "era". You simply CAN'T READ AN UNDERSTAND basic definitions of a word, and your own evaluation is much more precise and "right" than anybody elses. At SOME point your counterparts roll their eyes towards heaven with a little smile ... Compared to what Astralis brought to the game, Liquid is not yet even close, but it seems to be sooooo important to you that the whole world acknowledges what YOU think is right. I've tried to be decent, well behaved and friendly, I tried to end the conversation peacefully acknowledging a few points of disagreements, but no ... You just can't let go! "Liquid Era or not" is close to life or death to you, it seems. Other parts of life may be more interesting and challenging to me than insignificant semantics about professional CS GO. One fine day you will find other aspects of life MORE important than more or less irrelevant disputes in a fairly ridiculous chatroom. So yes: I learned that you have a journey ahead of you ... growing up!
2019-07-29 04:07
#338
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
So to be an era it has to be equal to what Astralis did? You do realize Astralis isnt the only team who has had an era. I never said it was equal to Astralis era I said it was an era If 6 tournament wins was an era for fnatic then why isnt it for Liquid? Astralis was considered to have an era well before the major. Keep trying to belittle me and take the high road, it truly shows how pitiful you are.
2019-07-29 07:30
#339
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Denmark Kon10R 
Definition of era: a long and distinct period of history. We may see THE BEGINNING of an era. Time will show. At this point? Regarding "belittle" and other personal remarks like "pitiful" ... "Fragile kid" may be slightly off topic ... as you mentioned ... No, Liquid do not need to be "like Astralis". I just want to see a LONG and DISTINCTIVE period with Liquid at the top. They are beginning to gather their own little nice buket of records and statistics, yes. Let's meet again in half a year and see how it all turned out.
2019-07-29 10:29
#356
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Whether they continue this for half a year or only uo until getting a decent placing at the major this period of time has undoubtedly been an era. Whether it continues remains to be seen. Half a year is a long time in CSGO history.
2019-07-30 02:26
#360
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Denmark Kon10R 
"Undoubtedly been an era" ... It begins to sound like "little Johnny stomping his feet 'cause he can't have candy before dinner". We are all the way back at the top now. You think half a year is a long time: I don't. You think it's an "era": I don't. We're soooo "used to" the Astralis Era, that we grap for words, now that it's ended. And as mentioned: Astralis lost A LOT of games and finals during their reigning period, so this "Liquid reigning period" may not fall or end with losing the Major. In other words: Let's see how it goes, shall we? I don't think we get any further here ...
2019-07-30 05:57
#364
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Agree to disagree thanks for the talk.
2019-07-30 06:38
#377
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Denmark Kon10R 
Same to you, my friend! It's a fundamental human right and the very core of democrazy, we have in the West: To think and speak freely! Disagreement is NOT the same as being enemies. I DO appreciate intelligent conversation, which - I'm afraid - you don't find too often in here! Okay, a little "banter" here and there during our discussion ... fair enough ... But I was even called a "shitcunt" elsewhere !!! ;O) And a "gay-motherfucker" ... I mean ... is he f***in' his father ??! ;O) Till we meet again: Love, live and laugh!
2019-07-30 17:41
#365
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Or only getting*
2019-07-30 06:50
#254
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Bulgaria zikinu 
His opinion is at least consistent bruh, yours is... not so much. By your logic, astralis era was still going while liquid are winning tourneys back to back. Btw, I also don't think this is an era yet, but you need to understand people's reasoning for thinking so.
2019-07-27 07:19
#284
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Denmark Kon10R 
It's not "my" logic: It's hltv.org's algorithm calculating the ranking order. If an era ends the moment the top team loses ... I mean, Astralis achieved top#1 spot the 23rd of April 2018 the day after winning Dream Hack in Marseille. The 26th of April they came 6th at the ESL Pro League, Europe. That didn't end the era, didn't it? The loss to North at Stockholm in the 2nd of September in Stockholm came as a surprise, didn't it?! But that didn't end the era either. So: May an era isn't so much about winning or losing, but apparently more about achieving and maintaining the top#1 spot. Again: According to hltv.org. I think I have been quite consistent about that as well as sticking to the definitions of an "era". Liquid is dominating the scene, and it's wonderful to watch! Breathtaking pace, incredible individual skills shown by these "fastest guns in the West!" ;O) (Literally!) But compared to Astralis they have a LONG way to go regarding anything "distinctive" added to the game, and no matter from when you count the Liquid ... shall we say "period"? ... it is definitely not "long" yet according to the definitions. That we even discuss if it's an "era" shows, that it's not. Nobody ever doubted the "Astralis Era" except for a few airheads displaying "ultimate denial" as any kid caught with his hands in the cookiejar. But let me add: The beauty of Astralis' tactical and strategical play, use of utility, ability to adjust to any team is probably the most studied of all time, but the "flashy and aggressive" style by Liquid is just baffling and wonderful! If they continue for another half a year, I will definitely recognize and acknowledge the "Liquid Era"! Thanx for your input in this fairly decent conversation! I have had other discussions in here that were just ... eeeeh ... NOT as mature and well-behaved! ;O)
2019-07-27 17:15
I feel like Liquid has shown some weakness tho Im not taking anything away for their achievments cuz they obviously are the best team in the world rn But i feel like if a good team with good fundementals would preasure them they can crack For example -Almost lost to HR in bo3 -They played Astralis on vertigo in bo3 decider which i feel like was a wrong decision from Astralis. Would like to see a rematch with diffrent maps -Navi showed some good progress by almost beating them in group stage -Fantastic final against G2 -Vitality did beat them at Summit and so did Faze at Blast All those teams i mentioned Liquid can easily beat, sure, but im just trying to say they are not gods by any means I think any good team still has a chance to beat them
2019-07-24 15:10
#159
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Denmark Kon10R 
Astralis were by no means "gods" either. Therefore an "era" isn't based on winning or losing alone. See comments above.
2019-07-24 15:12
#250
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United States n3h 
Their winning was based on bug abuse. xD
2019-07-27 06:48
#251
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Denmark Kon10R 
Obviously they would have been top#20 max without it! ;O)
2019-07-27 06:57
#187
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Poland Crosky77 
Did you even watch Liquid matches or just the one against Ence?? They far from being as dominant as Astralis ever was.
2019-07-24 19:55
#194
hommii | 
Iceland ban1c 
Liquid have a looong fucking road to be even close to be compared with Astralis. The era is over and Blastralis sucks now but Liquid are not even close to the type of dominance Astra had, and for such a long time. I do think its possible for Liquid to do it, but it aint here yet.
2019-07-24 21:34
#257
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Bulgaria zikinu 
If they win 2 3 tournaments back to back, this still shows how dominant liquid is. I mean no one has ever done that before.
2019-07-27 07:23
NiKo > Astralis > Liquid
2019-07-24 22:49
Astralis run is way more dominant and not over until the major. Astralis had kind of a break and all important teams have been under restructuring. Therefore, I think Liquids run is nowhere near Astralis nor an era. Taking couple of ez wins while the best teams are not attending events or are under restructuring. Too much is being put into their ez non-competitive period wins.
2019-07-24 22:58
#209
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
hltv.org/forums/threads/2098263/astralis.. Under restructuring? I could make the same argument for teams last year. Liquid were chokers xD Navi had deadweight Edward MiBR was 4th And faze/north/big were all top 8 Come on faze and hellraisers were top 12 for most of Last year. Look how many teams have formed and forced them down. All teams that had to make changes, meanwhile better teams formed like Vitality Ence Furia G2 NRG. Top 10 is way more competitive now, 2018 was a pretty fragile top 10 after Astralis and Liquid.
2019-07-25 02:22
#214
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Tyloo, gambit, and HR*
2019-07-25 06:35
dude Astralis era/run was over in April
2019-07-27 06:14
Have people run out of arbitrary reasons that prove Liquid aren't the top team yet?
2019-07-25 06:47
#220
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Denmark Kon10R 
Maybe you missed the point ... I think everybody can see the ranking list to the left, everytime you open the site ... The point of the discussion is if you call it an "era" after only two months at the top. No doubt: they are by miles the strongest team at the moment, but I need much more from them to use the word "era" according to the definitions. You can see my other comments above.
2019-07-25 10:46
#223
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Your other comments provide no logical reasoning to why it's not an era. You continue to say "according to the definitions" yet the definitions lead to the conclusion that the only teams you can compare Liquid with are other teams that have had eras. And for some reason you keep saying Liquid hasnt "defined" anything and that they're not "unique" enough. They're literally the most skilled lineup ever assembled and have some of the best flashbang usage weve ever seen. You do also realize that skill is a huge part of the game right? The better your players less your need for detailed executes and strategies because you can win rounds by just playing off of teammates optimally.
2019-07-25 10:55
#224
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Denmark Kon10R 
Fair enuff. May the day bring you happy memories! ;O)
2019-07-25 11:01
STFU dumb hamborgor
2019-07-27 00:08
UK CS VS NO SCENE
2019-07-27 00:22
Liquid Era 0 Majors Astralis Era 2 majors
2019-07-27 05:48
hmm i think team liquid is great but unfortunately this is trump era and trump will take credit for their wins so hopefully, they take a nice vacation until 2020 when we have a new president that isn't autistic
2019-07-27 05:49
#245
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
i laughed
2019-07-27 05:59
#247
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United States n3h 
Astralis cant win shit since their bug got patched. Astralis was pretty much abusing a bug to kill people thru smokes their whole "era" so their wins mean nothing to me. Pretty much same level as gambit winning major with their bug abuse.
2019-07-27 06:47
If you compare eras , you forgot that they both destroyed top 1 teams But IMO Astralis were a lil bit more consistent Liquid don't look like era team smtimes ( Navi vs Liquid in groups , G2 finals , vs fnatic in sydney
2019-07-27 06:39
Astralis era >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sk era >>>>>liquid era But if they win the major i think they will be really close to Astralis era
2019-07-27 07:01
I think astralis dominated more but liquid has been coming more and more dominant during their time at #1, also liquid have better players individually than astrails, it's scary lineup really.
2019-07-27 07:21
#261
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United States n3h 
But they dominated by abusing a bug. They on same level as BIG imo.
2019-07-27 08:04
They still were tactically ahead of anyone, also 1 year ranked #1 in world ''same level as BIG'' AXAXAXAXAXAAXAXA
2019-07-27 09:37
#273
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United States n3h 
Yea ahead with bug abuse. All them events won by shooting people through smokes.
2019-07-27 09:43
Being nr 1 for more than a year because of bug abuse. A bug that took more than a year to fix or what? And IT seems to be ONLY astralis using that bug? How stupid does it get on HLTV REALLY. Using that excuse every damn time. Hahaha
2019-07-27 11:25
#280
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United States n3h 
Astralis was only team I saw using it at the time just constantly kill people thru smokes, NIP started trying it out right before it got patched and yea it took over a year to get patched. Fact is they used a BUG to gain advantage over the other teams, fluke team.
2019-07-27 15:40
#286
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Sweden Akoulad 
Have you actually watched any of Liquids game? Its almost like they kill through smoke even more, this time, its always some random onetap or no scope scout.
2019-07-27 18:57
#287
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United States n3h 
Liquid not abusing a bug though. Thats the difference. You see astralis getting kills through smoke anymore. NOPE.
2019-07-27 18:59
#288
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Sweden Akoulad 
Tell me, when was the BUG patched
2019-07-27 18:59
#289
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United States n3h 
Around march or april 2019
2019-07-27 19:03
#290
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Sweden Akoulad 
Even with the bug patched they still won the major hltv.org/events/3883/iem-katowice-2019 And BLAST san Paulo. If you stop attending events regularly and playing against top teams, it's obvious you won't be able to compete with them. This is what happened, and even after they won events with the bug patched. It's pretty clear you are trolling or being delusional, either way, there is no point even discussing this further with you. (I mean, look at your replies)
2019-07-27 19:12
#291
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United States n3h 
It got patched right after the major because they used the bug to win, nip was using the bug during major aswell. Astralis just a fluke bug abuse team just like BIG when they won major with bug abuse.
2019-07-27 19:16
#312
NBK- | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-07-28 07:40
it was literally week BEFORE the major. and still won it with only losing 1 map and 2-0 everybody in play-offs
2019-07-28 22:27
#331
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United States n3h 
No it was defiantly patched after major, they were bug abusing during it and people were complaining a lot.
2019-07-29 01:10
wtf dude blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2019/0.. like eminem would say: " know your facts before you come at me, lil' goof
2019-07-29 14:58
braindead/8 hltv confirmed
2019-07-27 11:44
#315
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United States n3h 
*Heres a tissue*
2019-07-28 08:29
Astralis blew everyone out the water to extents Liquid never did, and also played the best cs ever seen without the raw firepower and stacked individuals.
2019-07-27 09:41
Hello, You blind?. Iem Chicago Dicked on Vitality and Ence?
2019-07-29 06:24
Is more fun to see Liquid play than Astralis
2019-07-28 08:00
S
2019-07-28 12:53
they did lol, astralis era is still better
2019-07-29 11:29
#368
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Denmark Chriztho 
That ain’t true. Destroyed teams like crazy. Vs. Navi in mayor final 16-6 and 16-9.
2019-07-30 07:24
Astralis >>>>>>>>>>>>> Liquid
2019-07-30 11:55
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