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ENCE OVERRATED ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!??!
United States GrandNagusZek 
People have been this for long time now, but if this doesn't prove it, what does losing 1-16 and 2-16 to Liquid LOL
2019-07-22 16:14
felps | 
Brazil pluga 
2019-07-22 16:15
United States GrandNagusZek 
2019-07-22 16:17
Thats 16-2, 16-3 and 16-14. Not 16-1 and 16-2
2019-07-22 16:37
still overrated
2019-07-22 19:26
2-16 with both pistol rounds won isnt an achievement though
2019-07-22 19:26
flusha | 
Sweden XenoRex 
finals is
2019-07-23 00:47
flusha | 
United States k3ar 
It's an achievement, but not a good one.
2019-07-23 00:52
refrezh | 
Slovakia Brido3 
internet explorer ?
2019-07-22 16:17
probably or maybe opera
2019-07-22 19:26
World Notb8ing 
They just played awful in those maps honestly... Regardless it is true they looked good for a bit but after aug nerf their true level can be seen, it is that of typical top 10 team.
2019-07-22 16:22
United States GrandNagusZek 
+1 without lucky major they still would be top15 team because now they get auto top5 ranking because they get invitd to those 6 teams events all the time and most teams dont
2019-07-22 16:32
how was the major lucky? :D winning navi and liquid in bo3 idk man what luck are u talking about
2019-07-22 16:35
United States GrandNagusZek 
you already forgot they game vs BIG where they were losing but BIG threw 5vs2 by going to catch ENCE players one by one when they didn't need to? if BIG wouldn't done that, ENCE would been first team out of Major and would still be top15-20 team because they wouldn't get invited to those small 6 teams events that give them unfair high ranking because most teams dont get invited there
2019-07-23 17:03
Ence proved that they have what it takes to be top 10 team by winning Astralis 2-0 and Liquid 2-0 in bo3, and these are just some examples. Ence is a really good team but as you saw they still have ALOT to learn and time to improve, Liquid on the other hand is just on another level right now but that does not mean that ence don’t deserve what they achieved so I don’t really get all these threads
2019-07-23 17:36
United States GrandNagusZek 
maybe they just got lucky? even FC Barcelona loses sometimes to bad team gambit had luck all the way to major win and couldn't achieve anything beyond that so far they just got lucky, u saw their real level in liquid game
2019-07-23 17:49
So you are saying that they got lucky in all those matches that they won against top10 teams, do you even know how many of them they have won? Do you realize how dumb you sound by saying it was all luck because of this one FINAL that other teams could not even get to taht attended this event? Pathetic..
2019-07-23 18:20
United States GrandNagusZek 
do you know that they lost a lot of games to not even top50 teams after major? did this come to surprise to you?
2019-07-23 18:50
they were online matches, they are good on lan and thats what matters the most, btw they awere BO1 matches and also does that mean we need to forget all the wins against top 10 teams? And EVERY fucking team has lost to some noname shit teams, usually BO1 matches do not mean shit, do you understand that?
2019-07-23 18:58
United States GrandNagusZek 
Liquid and Astralis haven't lost to no name teams ENCE has You get difference?
2019-07-23 19:22
Dude what do you mean, liquid lost to spirit and rogue with this roster, and like I already said any top200 team could win a BO1 match, how are you not getting the point this is like talking to a fucking wall, why is it such a big deal to you to prove that ence is not a top 10 team
2019-07-23 19:33
they still made finals outside of the major
2019-07-22 23:41
You should resign your post of grand nagus and leave it to Quark.
2019-07-22 16:17
United States GrandNagusZek 
ahahahhahahahaha finally somebody at hltv who know culture everybody should know
2019-07-22 16:28
United States GrandNagusZek hahahahahahahaahhahaha
2019-07-22 17:35
2019-07-22 19:15
Its weird how they changed ferengis in Star Trek. If you look at the first episodes with ferengis in TNG they are aggressive slavermonkeypeople. After that they change them to... something else.
2019-07-22 19:25
United States GrandNagusZek 
I read interview from first ferengi actor that they really f*ed it up in first episode (both as actors and how it was written in story). They intended to make ferengis as new klingon, but it f*ed up because ferengis were more like comedy than scary enemy But yeah, ferengis went better later sure. I loved every episode were grand nakus zek was. They were always hilarious episodes
2019-07-23 17:33
Imagine if mibr had won ence. Liquid would have destroy them 16-0 16-0 16-0
2019-07-22 16:19
2019-07-22 23:41
>this doesn’t prove it, what does? >2nd place playing like fucking retarded shit doesn’t make team overrated, it just makes the team look bad for one final
2019-07-22 16:20
United States Azuhh 
they didnt play shit although the 2-16 was pretty funny considering they won both pistols
2019-07-22 17:38
they did. That didn’t look like ENCE we have seen before. Inferno was the only good fight by ENCE, but Liquid did just simply outclass them
2019-07-22 23:29
Ez final for them They only needed to beat Renegades (also overrated) Heroic (they dindt even won the qualifer) And mibr with coach
2019-07-22 19:34
that’s true also. but you can’t choose who you play against
2019-07-22 23:28
they are like a one hit wonder, and there will never be any finnish team as lucky as this team has been.. So i hope u enjoy top 10 while it last finland..
2019-07-22 16:21
One hit? They have been in semi finals every event they have attended in 2019 except starladder where they lost to eventual winners in 1/4 finals and cologne
2019-07-22 16:36
oh my fucking god, stop it already
2019-07-22 16:21
fnx | 
Finland HekeH 
why do people think that ence is overrated? They were in major final, after that they came 3rd in blast, made quarter-final in starladder, won blast, got 3rd/4th in summit 4, made finals in Dallas, got knocked out of cologne (worst performance) and after that got into another final. IMO they belong in top 5
2019-07-22 16:24
Germany Merkelistan 
Well, they made it to finals
2019-07-22 16:33
Ukraine ksay 
the fact that peole still talking shit about ence means that they are not even close to being overrated
2019-07-22 16:34
But you gotta admit. That was a shite performance at finals. I wanted to see that famous comeback.
2019-07-22 19:30
Netherlands byznavy 
Ence can be top5 But some games I watch it feels like it's a T3 team
2019-07-22 19:35
The final was like watching a mental breakdown while Liquid was literally chewing up the mentality of ENCE. Typical finnish sports thing, the mental side is often a bit weak so they didn't even seem to be able to make basic calls they'd normally do and started desperately pushing one by one again. Sure they didn't face the best teams up until the final but they played a night n day difference versus how they played in the final and that change is beyond what goes switching from a weaker to a better opponent. Ence couldn't handle the pressure and perhaps the NA home crowd at all but at the same time Liquid played so confidently and hit basically all shots like how many crazy double headshot deags did we see etc? Like you almost never see such hitratio ever like Liquid was pulling off but I think it's partly because of the NA crowd and partially because they know they are Nr.1 team rn and they played without any pressure and came to just have fun. Really deserved win for Liquid. Still going forward this doesn't finally mean "Flukence", if they overcome their nervousness going into bigger matchups (they also crumbled the same way in the Astralis final remember, having played superb before going into the final). They just need to work on their mental side.
2019-07-23 00:47
just inconsistent
2019-07-23 00:51
kennyS | 
Finland tuspa 
you can't say that they are usually this bad, I couldn't even make myself watch the first two maps because they choked so bad
2019-07-23 00:56
ENCE rise again just wait it!
2019-07-23 17:53
United States jay_320 
They should pick up Sunny at this point. Some Ence fans were telling me that they were one of the last teams to adopt the AUG and therefore the nerf wouldn't hurt them. Clearly it has and teams with more skilled players are styling on them. 16-2 with two pistol round victories against anyone is a bad fucking look. You basically got 16-0'd if not for chance.
2019-07-23 17:57
Finland Apepro 
Liquid is on a another level rn and ence sucked in that final but I still think that ence is new team and can improve a lot and be T1 team.
2019-07-23 19:44
United States jay_320 
Sure but as far as I can tell the only must have players on the team are Aleksi, Serjei and Allu. Decide who you want but Sunny would be a huge fragging upgrade over Aerial or Xseven. He's obviously got relationships with players already on the team as well. And in modern CS you basically need 3 fraggers to compete at the highest level. Sunny, Allu and Serjei would mean that Ence would have a chance at least to pop heads at a super high level. I mean you look at the most dominant teams over the last three years you've had four cores (Guardian, Rain, Niko) (Dupreeh, Magisk, Device) (Twistzz, NAF, Elige) and (Fer, Fallen, Coldzera). The formula since 2016 has been quite clear to me anyway.
2019-07-23 19:51
Finland Apepro 
I agree that sunny is upgrade over player like xseven and aerial atleast in frags. But they fit into the ence lineup and gamestyle pretty well imo. So I think this ence lineup has potential to compete with the best teams. I also hope that sunny starts to play atleast somewhere if not ence. Huge waste when player like sunny is not playing.
2019-07-23 20:00
yes /close
2019-07-23 19:51
Bulgaria Gulasczek 
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2019-07-23 19:53
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