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proof: taxation is theft
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
as leftist love to argue with semantics and constantly redefine words instead of giving real arguments, we rightists and libertarians can also argue with words so here is proof that taxation is theft i.imgur.com/ZEGUrsd.png
2019-07-23 23:02
u need proof for that? anyone thinking for more than 10 seconds about it will realize it is theft
2019-07-23 23:03
#3
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i see leftists arguing against that all the time lol
2019-07-23 23:04
most leftists agree its theft from what i got, they just think its necessary and morally right
2019-07-23 23:06
Thats pretty accurate.
2019-07-24 00:37
that's not theft, #156
2019-07-24 09:08
#169
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Bulgaria Tomziggy 
+1
2019-07-24 10:53
Thinking morals matter in politics.how is it possible to be this dumb :)
2019-07-24 08:59
It is morally right, and it's not theft. The government gave you roads, police, health care, safety, education and etc. If you're an entrepreneur you need the working government and the rule of law even more, and you also use people (labor) to increase your prosperity. You are delusional if you think that you don't owe anything back. You don't earn much money? Ok, in most of the countries you don't even need to pay taxes if you're poor. But if you're prosperous enough, be kind to pay your debt back. You don't want to pay it? Great, you can leave and choose any country with lesser taxes like some banana states in Caribean Sea, in some of them there are no taxes at all, but don't whine that there are no infrastructure and qualitative services as well. So if you want to live in a prosperous country, taxes are not theft, it's your payment for good life and opportunities. Resources are not limitless, and if you don't pay your fair share, you basically deprive something from other people. So taxes are not theft, but NOT PAYING TAXES is theft.
2019-07-24 09:16
You're name doesn't check out as always You don't even know how economics work. The government taxes people as part of the currency cycle the government takes Fiat currency and funds jobs the money from the job wages goes to the banks the banks wirte down the fucking number and loan out 90 percent of the money and pretend they still have it that money is spent and the cycle continues. Taxation is theft by the definition of theft and taxation if you believe in self righteous garbage humanist morals but also think theft is ok than youre very not smart leftist
2019-07-24 09:17
let me guess, and jews control the banking system, right?
2019-07-24 09:17
Lol you're so brainwashed you just deny facts and call them conspiracy so what if the Jews or the Muslims or the pope controls the banks it's all the same to me.
2019-07-24 09:23
yes jews owned banks because germanistans 2 stupid for that (prolly because average iq 80 turkish sandnigs massively got refuge in germanistan)
2019-07-24 11:05
If you are a smart leftist, I'm scared to meet a dumb one
2019-07-24 09:59
He isnt smart, he hates free speech and wants it outlawed. There are far smarter lefties on here.
2019-07-24 10:53
But his name is smart leftist?
2019-07-24 10:56
Yea, guess who gave him that name.
2019-07-24 10:57
His mum?
2019-07-24 10:59
maybe
2019-07-24 12:18
Dude, I read your comment about freedom of speech, and it was just bad. Especially the point about minorities. First of all, your "freedom of speech" is how Trump came to power. Please say your thought about how it was cool to undocumented immigrants who face oppression in American concentration camps. Or to people who can't choose toilets of their gender. Or people who got killed or injured in Charlottesville attack. Also freedom of speech is how Hitler came to power. I think millions of dead people would appreciate your concern. So yes, I am ok with social networks censoring or just stopping suggesting rightist videos. I am ok with restricting mockeries on religious ppl or LGBTQ+ or minorities by the force of the government. Because it's HATE speech, not "freedom". You are either some spineless libertine who believes in world without violence, or some strayed leftist like dave rubin who got offended by the Young Turks Network, became a rightist and now makes retarded videos like "wHy i lEfT tHe LEfT".
2019-07-24 11:40
Dude, you have just shown how little you understand about the historical context of so many things. There are so many things to address in your comment that I am honestly not sure if I want to waste my time writing a 5 page comment.
2019-07-24 12:21
something that is so virtuous that it has to be done by force and violating property rights is not theft? something that everybody within a huge chunk of land (that came to existence as a result of warfare and imperialism) has to do under the threat of frame is morally right? something you never consented to or asked to is right?
2019-07-24 15:47
leftists are mostly <60 IQ attention whores lol
2019-07-23 23:33
More made-up stats, and so ironic, given that the average "Leftist" has a higher education than the average "Rightist".
2019-07-24 03:36
#144
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United States SilveryoHD 
there is no way to prove which side has a higher iq because it would just come down to bias
2019-07-24 06:44
there is, and yes, the left side is MUCH smarter psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-scient..
2019-07-24 09:23
Imagine having the insecurity and stupidity to call yourself intelligent
2019-07-24 09:36
#186
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United States SilveryoHD 
well ur definitely not proving that
2019-07-25 03:16
So what leftism dumb rightism dumber still a bunch of brainwashed delusional idiots
2019-07-24 08:59
#5
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Palestine Baitor69 
+1
2019-07-23 23:04
#142
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Brazil dr0wning 
+1
2019-07-24 04:39
#2
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
but its not like u get nothing in return that u dont want
2019-07-23 23:03
i leave a cold bowl of spaghetti on your doorstep it took me 10c to make it i will now ask you 3 usd to pay for it altho you never asked for it, and if you refuse i will come and put you in prison see the problem? you can't give people shitty services they never asked for and charge them a ridiculous amount
2019-07-23 23:08
#20
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
well they arent shitty services they are life saving services
2019-07-23 23:10
like?
2019-07-23 23:10
#24
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Ambulances
2019-07-23 23:12
most ambulances are private thats called insurance
2019-07-23 23:12
#28
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
not in the UK atleast what about police? or firefighting services?
2019-07-23 23:13
#34
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
most of it isn't spent on police and firefighting and you surely know this most is welfare and government pensions (in germany at least)
2019-07-23 23:15
#38
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
yeah but ur making a blanket statement that all tax is theft if u believe what im saying is justified then you think SOME tax is theft if u dont then i dont know what ur arguing right now
2019-07-23 23:16
#49
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
ideologically and morally it definitely is but in reality you have to take small steps in the right direction
2019-07-23 23:22
#55
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
agreed
2019-07-23 23:26
justice is around 3-8% in most west european countries of the GDP effective taxation is around 40% in those same countries say you make 2000 a month, and taxed 40% would you rather be left with 1200 and have the public services, or would you be willing to pay for it willingly at a smaller percentage? > if something is so essential, is there really a need for the state to forcefully take money to fund it?
2019-07-23 23:18
#45
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
so ur saying some taxation is theft not all?
2019-07-23 23:20
i gave one example, which is in my opinion the worst one that can never be defended, it is absolutely disgusting and immoral there are taxes i am not too angry about, like LVT. but income tax is unacceptable overall, taxation is theft, some are just worse than others
2019-07-23 23:21
+1
2019-07-23 23:36
Precisely BECAUSE they are essential, they cant be privatized because some people might not be able to pay for them. (Best example US where like half the country is fucked if they sprain an ankle)
2019-07-24 00:39
nothing that requires the labour of others is a human right
2019-07-24 00:41
So you value the right to "non-labor" above human lives?
2019-07-24 03:28
Obviously, otherwise we would take all money from all people above what they need to for basics (food and shelter) and spend it feeding starving africans
2019-07-24 10:01
There is no reason to pay a foreign group of starving people something like that if one has starving people in ones own country. And yes, taking money from the super-rich to stimulate the economy by giving it to the poor and middle class and to enable them successful lives (which again is beneficial for literally every measurement of societal health) is a very good, necessary and important thing.
2019-07-24 10:51
I was pointing out that we do value the right to non labour above human lives. Otherwise we would force people to work to their max capacity to feed and therefore preserve as many other lives as possible
2019-07-24 11:08
Well, in principle, where I am from, people are required to work, if they are able, so its not like thats not a thing. But forcing them to work too much would in turn ruin their lives, so that wouldnt happen either.
2019-07-24 12:18
well, someone creates a company that will fight the fire and if someone wants it, just pay them every month. but no, we have a state who monopolize the service and obligates you to pay for it even if there is no chance of fire
2019-07-23 23:29
here most of the money goes to fucking goverment and immigrants and shit like that
2019-07-23 23:18
#46
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
so ur saying some taxation is theft not all?
2019-07-23 23:20
#56
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
All taxation is theft by it's own definition. If I take part of what you make by threat of violence, I'm a thief. /close.
2019-07-23 23:26
i would say the best would be to have freedom to decide what taxes you wanna pay, i know that is impossible but still it would be the best
2019-07-24 00:20
Except you are right now using services paid with tax, like the internet and/or electrical cable allowing you to post on hltv in a country relatively safe because of its tax funded police, etc... Not like the exemple you gave.
2019-07-23 23:59
the final boss of strawmen 1. i have to apologize for using something i'm paying for now? lmao? 2. just a heads up, all 3 of your examples are wrong ISP is a completely private company electricity is also private my berreta 92 A1 and my sig sauer are keeping me safe, not the police :) the police arent doing shit 3. if i take all your money and ban competition to have a state monopoly, i cant complain? if someone puts you in a gulag and gives you a slice of bread, you're not allowed to complain if you eat the bread
2019-07-24 00:05
1.Who said you have to apologize? 2.I didn't said anything about ISP, read again. Same for electricity provider. rightist trying to avoid the subject as usual. No your guns don't prevent people from disturbing you while you post on hltv, trust in police does. 3. Who said anything about your right to complain? Beside, unlike in a Gulag, you can leave Finland anytime. And if you want to live in a place were there is no state funded infrastructures, you can actually : Somalia. I'm quite convinced you will be glad to pay some taxes after few time spend there.
2019-07-24 00:10
2. you said internet and electricity, do you have alzheimer? now tell me what would prevent my neighbour from forcing my door and assaulting me? the police? all i have to do is karate chop him, weigh more than him, hope he doesnt have backup, isnt armed himself, and patiently wait 15-30 minutes for the police to arrive - if they do-. you're right! why would i need a gun??? 3. you once again either have the worst memory possible or a different person that typed the post above i don't live in finland thankfully, and you are again using a strawman that goes against what you said yourself (for thee, not for me!) and you now tell an anarchist to go live in the federal republic of somalia. insane. a government tries to dictate 30 million people from a central location, and as a result of wars, the border ends up meaning you are a citizen of this land, you shall therefore now bow to your eternal ruler or move pics.me.me/relationship-rules-you-are-no.. somalia is chaotic but it is far from being anarchist. but then maybe i could use that shitty argument too? if you love the state so much, why don't you move to north korea?
2019-07-24 00:22
2. " internet and/or electrical cable" I don't have Alzheimer but you seems unable to read, despite a tax funded education. How sad. I won't read the rest til you respond accordingly to what I wrote.
2019-07-24 00:42
i have precisely answered all of your concerns, unlike you and of course, state education is inferior in all cases than private education
2019-07-24 00:42
No you didn't. "Fingrid Oyj is a Finnish national electricity transmission grid operator. It is owned by the Finnish state (53.1 %) " Honestly, you come here talk about politics despite that a random foreign user know your country better than you. And even if I gave you many chances to see your mistake you did not even questioned yourself. Don't you see a problem?
2019-07-24 00:51
thanks for proving my point. you didn't read. hltv.org/forums/threads/2099370/proof-ta.. thats the middle of the message and congrats for "knowing more" when you just opened wikipedia :) and again, you are back to ignoring my questions
2019-07-24 00:52
#174
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France Evocat 
But you did ask for it! Nobody forces you to live in a nice place within a nice city in a nice country working at a nice job. You could go live in the woods and hunts for your food and you'll never have to pay taxes again. Taxes are the drive of todays first world society, if you don't want to pay them just leave it
2019-07-24 11:08
let me guess you think taxation is theft but want free healthcare and public roads in good shape
2019-07-23 23:04
#7
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i'd pay for it like for other stuff
2019-07-23 23:05
Then why didn't you already? Gather with other people and build your own roads instead of using those paid with taxes.
2019-07-24 00:00
#96
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
but then i'd have to pay double which makes no sense i'd pay for toll roads if i didnt have to pay taxes instead lol
2019-07-24 00:03
Not at all since the German government would be glad to not funds roads at all if there were enough private ones. Now move your lazy crybaby ass, those 100 billions to replace your whole road system won't be collected by itself
2019-07-24 00:05
#8
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United States SWiFTzZzZz 
+1
2019-07-23 23:05
#36
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i dont want it and dont expect it if i dont pay taxes
2019-07-23 23:16
BUT WHAT ABOUT MUUUH ROADS
2019-07-23 23:24
#6
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United States jcv999 
+1 Leftist goons will disagree but this is an indisputable fact
2019-07-23 23:04
#9
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Laos Niatchu 
what did you smoke
2019-07-23 23:05
#10
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i dont smoke
2019-07-23 23:05
#12
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Laos Niatchu 
taxation is theft only when it's exaggerated (like above 35% )
2019-07-23 23:06
so if i steal only 20% of your income thats perfectly fine?
2019-07-23 23:09
#22
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Laos Niatchu 
any government needs tax money otherwise there will be nothing, no public employees getting paid, no school etc... do you think they print money and take it ?
2019-07-23 23:10
thats my point. i never asked for people to work shitty services with the money the gov stole from me
2019-07-23 23:11
#26
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Laos Niatchu 
you live in a socialist country i can understand your frustration
2019-07-23 23:12
#25
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
42% income tax after you make 1.3x average income in addition 20% social security taxes for you and another 20% for the employer (total over 35%) 19% vat not quite as much but close and in the same order of magnitude plus it is in addition to already taxes income don't forget 100+% gasoline and cigarette taxes i'd be fine with 25% TOTAL it would be acceptable but wouldnt cripple your finances as much, still theft tho
2019-07-23 23:12
#29
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Laos Niatchu 
you live in a country where the government actually does something with the tax money and do not steal from it
2019-07-23 23:13
#47
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
better you pay 10% to corrupt politicians than 50% still even here politicians love to give government contracts to their friends and family and suddenly they pay half a million for a logo
2019-07-23 23:20
#40
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Laos Niatchu 
the problem is when the tax money is being used by criminals and when they steal billions from it each year like the King of Morocco for example who has an estimated 10 billion$ fortune all stolen from the country's wealth and tax money, he gave himself 300$ million each year as a "salary" and steals from the nation's phosphate and other minerals him and his crooked family and the generals, this is just a little example of when taxation is theft considering it doesn't benefit the people
2019-07-23 23:18
he steals because he has to pay for power. That's how the governments work in 3rd world countries. If King of Morocco doesn't pay for the generals and businessmen he would be ousted really fast.
2019-07-24 00:29
#133
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Laos Niatchu 
those politicians and generals take directly from the state budget they even create fake contracts as for the people they are deeply brainwashed and think that without the kingdom the country will turn into a "syria"
2019-07-24 02:59
So what, it's necessary in todays time
2019-07-23 23:06
#15
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
not that much tho, maybe a little bit for military and to make sure contracts are enforced only necessary to attract immigrants
2019-07-23 23:07
no it's not, unless if you like to work hard every month to give a lifetime high salary to politicians who serve outsiders wills
2019-07-23 23:25
It's part of the social contract that you agree to by living in Germany. Don't like it? Fuck off to an isolated Amazonian tribe, they won't tax you there. /close
2019-07-23 23:08
a contract is something you agree to and sign willingly
2019-07-23 23:10
#66
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
+1
2019-07-23 23:31
which social contract? he never signed anything, no one ever asked him if he wanted to pay taxes, there is no logic in it
2019-07-23 23:15
It's a metaphorical contract that you agree to by living in... literally any country with taxation laws. It's not that hard to understand, this concept has been around for centuries.
2019-07-23 23:15
So if it is metaphorical, it is an imaginary thing that some burocrat/politician invented to legitimize their robberies of people's earnings and make the population their hostages. And you are forced to accept it just because you were born somewhere
2019-07-23 23:22
+1
2019-07-23 23:40
#68
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i wont fuck off to an amazonian tribe but i surely will as soon as i finished my free gubmint education lol
2019-07-23 23:33
taxation is theft and this is an irrefutable truth
2019-07-23 23:13
#31
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South America PartisanGrill 
HLTV detectives.
2019-07-23 23:14
How may I help?
2019-07-24 03:35
But it's not against your will
2019-07-23 23:14
#63
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
of course it is
2019-07-23 23:30
Well it's as much against your will as paying for a product is. You're paying for the services the state gives to you
2019-07-24 07:33
Just for the lulz It would be funny to allow the possibility for retards like you to opt out of the system, but you would be prevented from using publicly funded schools, roads, hospital, police and whatever. But I guess the darwin award would be too strong with this one and you would die off, you and your inbred children
2019-07-23 23:16
#62
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
sorry if i have to correct you sir but i currently have no interest in having children with my relatives
2019-07-23 23:30
if no tax, who will pay for public infrastructure like roads? no private company is going to fund roads because there is no money to be made
2019-07-23 23:17
#58
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
sir did you hear of toll roads? and local roads will be paid by the people living there and local businesses for their own convenience
2019-07-23 23:27
hahah lets see how Joes farm and Billys weed shop will pay for a full road and all other infrastructure. also right is not against taxes.
2019-07-23 23:39
paid by people living there. how is that different from taxation?
2019-07-23 23:40
#82
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
when you build a new neighboorhood you all agree unanimously to share for in in your own best interest
2019-07-23 23:48
preview.redd.it/4ylsjdf9kew21.jpg?width=.. Who would build the roads you ask? This 51km long, $21.000.000.000 tunnel under the Channel was funded entirely privately, without a single cent of taxpayer money, allowing 12 million passengers and 26% of the uk trade goods fast transport every year
2019-07-23 23:31
this is a bad example ask the investors if they would be willing to build a road to ur countryside house
2019-07-23 23:43
#83
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
you pay for the road or build it yourself
2019-07-23 23:48
go to america they follow a similar ideology in healthcare, you either pay for the doctor or heal urself somehow (and perhaps even die from it).
2019-07-23 23:56
fair enough lets try to imagine a society where roads are not a thing would the villages eventually decide to build roads or fund roads themselves? or would they just be stuck forever and not connected from anywhere forever, hoping that one day a third party comes in and forcefully takes their income to build roads? would people be hopelessly waiting on their doorstep without roads? many private roads already exist, even in the countryside reminder: only 1.5% of most GDPs go towards infrastructure, buildings AND roads. so you can imagine roads are a very small portion of even that low 1.5% pics.astrologymemes.com/statists-will-sa..
2019-07-23 23:53
that would not work, who would upkeep the roads (its expensive), who would pay for updating sings on them for example? if a post car/truck that delivers goods uses ur roards they wont pay for it (they come from some other region), with what u are sying it would turn into 10m = pay, 10 = pay fuck fest, there would not be a global road system, but rather chunks of some localized small roads (and only most profitable routes will be taken care of, the roads literarily would only be built just for businesses and not people) less people would use it, so the cost of transporting would be high and therefore transportation by a car in general would be inefficient. not mentioning stuff like risks not being able to go anywhere just cuz some1 decided to block access to their roads and etc.
2019-07-24 00:17
i have cited the upkeep cost of roads, which is ridiculously low. what is costly is building them, not maintenance switzerland has a system of windshield sticker for highways that is fairly efficient, if thats what you are worried about but answer my other questions would people figure out a way on their own or would they just sit on their doorsteps waiting for someone to take their income and decide what to build?
2019-07-24 00:25
#41
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United States skroobdoober 
Truth. Defund military.
2019-07-23 23:17
#54
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
a defensive military is the most important thing for a government to have but what the us government is doing is just ridiculous and relatively easy to cut the spending compared to welfare etc
2019-07-23 23:25
#64
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United States jay_320 
What the US government is doing is only ridiculous if you don't take into account that the primary job of the US military is not to protect the homeland but protect the global economy. I.E. shipping routes, allies etc It makes a whole lot more sense when you actually realize why. Although I will admit that programs like the F-35 are kind of ridiculous. Especially when you already have the only working fifth generation fighter in the F-22. But whatever it's been gone over a million times. From an economic and military perspective.
2019-07-23 23:30
#44
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Germany nobodyCS 
Imagine complaining about taxation when its negligible to surplus value
2019-07-23 23:20
#51
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
half your income taken isnt negligible in any circumstance
2019-07-23 23:23
#146
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Canada ProvexPyker 
What's surplus value?
2019-07-24 07:21
#181
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Germany nobodyCS 
Labour creates value, say when a carpenter uses wooden planks to craft a table or people at Foxconn assemble your smartphone. This value is higher than those people’s wages, it has to be, otherwise the business would be operating at a minus. The difference between the value ones labour creates and his/her wage is referred to as the surplus value. Essentially, it’s the time someone works for which he is not paid, and it’s inevitably higher than ones wage. Surely I can understand why people complain about taxes, it’s just when you look at the bigger picture, makes me wonder why people don’t complain about something that financially hurts them much more.
2019-07-24 19:35
#182
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Thanks so much, that was a very nice explanation!
2019-07-24 19:53
#183
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Germany nobodyCS 
thanks
2019-07-24 22:16
i have never seen anyone disprove that taxation is theft. why? because it's impossible, they are synonymous by nature. if you think theft is justified, then say so, but you can't simply disagree with the notion that taxation is theft. also: BUT WHAT ABOUT MUUUH ROADS
2019-07-23 23:27
#59
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
most leftist are trying to defend insane administrative and welfare spending with muh roads
2019-07-23 23:28
+1 but without a state there would be no roadsss HAHAHAHAH worst argument possible here in brazil, we have a incompetent state and there isn't hard to find some news about the inhabitants of a street or a town, tired of lies coming from politicians and organized themselves to made some shit the state supposed to do
2019-07-23 23:33
#67
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United States jay_320 
It's not just roads. Schooling. Military. Infrastructure and public works Foreign Aid Social Security Emergency Services/Healthcare/Police etc It's theft in that it's compulsory sure. But I'd rather live in this world then some right wing anarchy personally.
2019-07-23 23:33
schooling? there is much better quality private schools military? bullshit infrastructure and public works? wtf? foreign aid? donation by rich people works better, just look at bill & melinda gates donation for example social security? everyone should be educated economically well to have their own retirement emergency/healthcare/police could be held by private companies
2019-07-23 23:38
Lol what a moron, Foreign Aid =/= Charity its just getting influence abroad Social Security = Literally the definition of a ponzi scheme Infastructure = Made to make the government money military = made to intervene and keep the rich rciher emergency services = to maintain order enjoy paying for your own financial oppression.
2019-07-23 23:39
#87
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Poland Franpol1080 
+1 here in poland we have "ZUS" which is a social security institution that is mandatory and if you have your own business you have to pay fucking 1550zl per month for all the years of your work and for your retirement wich will be shorter than the years you have worked you will get about 800zl monthly! Also people that work now pay for those that are retired and not for themselves and have to pay for the huge administration that runs this. It is a giant fraud and its worse than a pyramid scheme.
2019-07-23 23:53
#102
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United States jay_320 
I mean you are paying for it too so whatever. Go change the world if you want although I doubt you'll have much success.
2019-07-24 00:07
Lol you think I'm sticking around in this backwards joke of a country
2019-07-24 08:56
U need proof? If taxation is forcing someone to give your their money its theft by definition.
2019-07-23 23:37
#76
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United States n3h 
How you think your getting that free healthcare. Its not free you are paying for it with your tax's along with tons of other shit.
2019-07-23 23:39
#78
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
its free if you live off welfare
2019-07-23 23:40
#80
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United States n3h 
Yea so your paying tax's so you can pay for the bums to have free healthcare.
2019-07-23 23:41
#84
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Poland Franpol1080 
Thank you for spreading a good message. When I saw the title I thought it was made by a fellow user janusz_korwin_mikke maybe you know of him?
2019-07-23 23:49
#85
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
ofc i know him (the real guy) i'd vote for him if i lived in poland he'd be a great leader ive also seen the hltv user lol
2019-07-23 23:53
#95
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Poland Franpol1080 
haha, I have voted for his coalition in the EU votings, unfortunately he got 4,5% and did not get in. Also its interesting that in exit polls few hours before the official results he had nearly 7% hmmm. Also many people from outside of poland think PIS is some kind of a rightist party, please dont believe this, they are religious socialists! Unfortunately Korwin will never win, as only about 10% of population has some sort of knowledge about economy, and now PIS buys votes by increasing taxes and handing people their own money through social systems, it is truly pathetic.
2019-07-24 00:01
#109
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Finland Jodecast 
If you think that retard gets anything right you are retarded
2019-07-24 00:17
#88
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United States Acehavok 
This is like some Alex Jones shit. Btw conservatives don’t consider taxation as theft, they realize there’s still a lot of services that need to be paid.
2019-07-23 23:55
#93
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
wasn't alex jones right about the pedo elites? you can argue for it being more useful for the collective but not the taxation isnt theft just think logically
2019-07-24 00:00
#106
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United States Acehavok 
Even if you cut all taxes for social welfare programs, you’d still have taxes for security and infrastructure, that’s needed, no way around that. The government is taking money in exchange for a service, theft would be them taking money and you getting nothing.
2019-07-24 00:15
#91
Czech Republic Wer_ 
Whoever says that has no empathy for the poor
2019-07-24 00:00
#94
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
right wingers donate more to charities than lefties
2019-07-24 00:01
Doesn't matter, could be changed with higher taxes for the rich
2019-07-24 00:37
I know that it may sound crazy to hear, but I haven't found an answer for that question yet, so... why it's always '' higher taxes for the rich '' ? Why does the rich man that worked and studied (in the majority of the cases) a lot to make his own money needs to pay anything to somebody that he doesn't even know? By the way, isn't that rich man the reason that a lot of people in the country, or whatever you think about, is employed? And, don't you think that, if he notice that he is getting higher taxes in a certain country and he is losing money because of that, he wouldn't leave that country to another one and make the situation even worse for the people in that country? As I said, I may be very wrong, but, I haven't found a proper answer for this question yet.
2019-07-24 07:52
Those people that work in his factory do tougher jobs and are more valuable to society, it's a rule that must be obeyed and if not he doesn't respect that he doesn't need to run his busines
2019-07-24 08:27
capitalism has proven to be the best economic system in eliminating poverty
2019-07-24 00:10
Not really, in socialism you receive a job and a house, in capitalism? Maybe a place under a bridge
2019-07-24 00:35
tell that to the kids of venezuela and hong kong
2019-07-24 00:45
That has little to do with socialist governments and more so with the dictators that run them. The Soviet Union was doing quite well for itself before it decided to spend every penny it had on their military. As for Hong Kong, it's doing fairly well at the moment, as compared to other nations
2019-07-24 04:23
"As for Hong Kong, it's doing fairly well at the moment, as compared to other nations" i know, that's why i used them as an example. they're a perfect example of a mid-late 20th century country that flourished under a free market. as for the socialist point: there's a reason socialist countries turn out the same with heavy centralization and a strong ruling class, it's because socialism is an authoritarian economic system by nature. you can't completely strip people of their economic freedom and then expect that the same won't happen to its social and political counterparts
2019-07-24 09:56
Eliminate poverty and make them slaves hahaha How great?
2019-07-24 22:45
no?
2019-07-24 23:34
#99
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United States gins0n 
this is literally a semantic argument u retard
2019-07-24 00:06
Jebaited
2019-07-24 00:07
#107
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
can you read?
2019-07-24 00:15
200000Iq
2019-07-24 00:06
Taxation is not the actual problem, your distaste for it is just a symptom of a lack of distribution of power, which is the fundamental problem of current societies. The pillar on which people argue that taxation is theft, which is the threat of force or the use of force by the government, is actually what is used to maintain any set of rules among humans. Remove the government, remove taxation, and you'll still have to figure out how to make humans respect each other's rights and their own responsibilities, and if you don't use force in any way to do that, you won't accomplish it, because without it some people just don't care. You need to use force to maintain a society. Which means (assuming you actually want to maintain a society) that your problem is not actually the use of force, it's the way it's being used or the reasons for which it's being used. And that is not a problem specific to taxation, it's a problem which is directly related to the distribution of power.
2019-07-24 00:15
Wow, a smart and nuanced comment? the fuck you doin on hltv?
2019-07-24 01:05
#147
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Well that was a nice comment to read, thank you
2019-07-24 07:26
#108
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Mexico LEWORb 
How long did you spend doing that?
2019-07-24 00:16
#110
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Germany xsyzzz1234 
i didnt do it myself just removed the watermark lol
2019-07-24 00:17
#187
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Mexico LEWORb 
Not cool
2019-07-26 04:59
Do you want to go clear roads in the winter and repair them yourself? Do you want no police/firefighters? Do you parents have money to pay for school + university for 15 like years? Funny how the least taxed countries are always total shitholes
2019-07-24 00:24
#124
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Canada thelegend27 
talkin shit about venezuela!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!???!??!?!!?!?
2019-07-24 00:41
It isnt theft, it is an agreement Made hundreds of years ago. Money for safety.
2019-07-24 00:39
#122
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Canada thelegend27 
1/8. if it was an american flag 0/8
2019-07-24 00:41
agree
2019-07-24 00:50
#132
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World ascet 
TheftationIsTax!
2019-07-24 01:36
Whether a person views taxation as a theft or a necessary contribution to society is a matter of perspective. I think those with plenty should be willing to give a token amount of what they don't need to help those that do need, a helping hand out of the gutter. Those that think of taxation as theft think it goes to no good use, and my opinion is they're selfish, immoral trash. We're all in this thing together and just because the selfish want to horde every penny they can doesn't excuse them from the immoral indecency of not having the heart to help others.
2019-07-24 03:39
+1
2019-07-24 04:17
#148
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Very interesting comment, thank you
2019-07-24 07:28
You don't have to make that many mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion , but as long as we can't run our lives as individual and still look for that centralized colectivist authority , a federal governmen will always exist , and the closest we can get to fair and honest freedom is to keep it as small and simple as possible , the west already said goodbye to this principle but South East Asia is doing the right things right now , all they need is to just get government out of some individual liberties and eliminate many laws that were put in place that shouldn't exist , not replace them with other laws , but erase them , at this rate they will become the real western world despite not being in the west geographically...
2019-07-24 04:11
As Trump would put it: You can go back to the crime infested country you came from!
2019-07-24 04:31
Ofc taxation is retarded That’s why we let Germans to pay them
2019-07-24 06:29
income tax only goes against the hard workers
2019-07-24 06:53
#149
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Canada ProvexPyker 
I think it's fine.
2019-07-24 07:30
ok so what now
2019-07-24 10:05
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