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AMD > Intel
United States h2ger 
We are living in a reality where AMD processor is number 1. Let´s all take a moment of silence and remember what has happened.
2019-08-19 13:04
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France mbl4
also the cheapest of the top 10
2019-08-19 13:05
Andorra monkay
not consistent as intel though
2019-08-20 00:11
United Kingdom aight_bet
how so?
2019-08-20 00:29
How does that even matter over here?
2019-08-20 04:50
consistent in what? Ripping of consumers?
2019-08-20 09:30
what does that suppose to mean?
2019-08-20 10:10
name checks out
2019-08-21 01:33
What? LUL
2019-08-21 20:27
Andorra monkay
AMD sucks
2019-08-21 21:07
No, just you.
2019-08-22 00:18
United Kingdom willtr
lol noob get a life
2019-08-26 18:10
Andorra monkay
Pixels > Real Life
2019-08-26 18:11
3900x more expensiva than the i9 9900k in most of EU
2019-08-23 05:12
United Kingdom willtr
yeah and the msrp of the 3900x is lower and motherboards are more expensive for the i9 9900k cause you need a really high end intel motherboard
2019-08-26 18:11
United Kingdom willtr
plus you do realise its probably like that cause they are out of stock so they increase prices to ridiculous prices
2019-08-26 18:13
the mobos have lower prices now i believe.
2019-08-27 00:36
2019-08-19 13:06
Finland MiguuuZZZ
AMD master race
2019-08-19 13:06
2019-08-21 18:57
I read an article yesterday about AMD's new server line verses Intel and was surprised to learn this is where AMD now have the biggest advantage. AMD is destroying Intel in server CPU's now and supposedly the expert are claiming Intel won't have a response until at least 2021 or perhaps even 2022. AMD definitely caught Intel sleeping and it's glorious to behold.
2019-08-19 13:12
PS. Servers make up the most computers in the world since the whole internet is run on servers so this is a big deal and should mean AMD will see massive growth in their company which should allow them to invest even more into R&D and make their whole line of CPU's better.
2019-08-19 13:14
Most people building servers have so much money though that switching server platforms to save money might not be worth it. And it wont be long until Intel strikes back somehow. But we will need to see as time goes on I think whether AMD will garner more market share in the server space.
2019-08-19 18:49
More core per m2, so less space and more computing power Less heat (200W for 64c) so : cheaper cooling solution, and more importantly better efficiency. Twitter and google announced they are switching to amd. Twitter said it will lower their infrastructure cost by 25%
2019-08-20 00:55
The new AMD Epyc server CPU's also cost much less. The most expensive AMD server CPU is about 7.5k and the Intel 10k, and the AMD CPU is over 8 times faster! AMD server chips that only cost about 3k are beating Intel's best server CPU which cost over 10k! But here's the kicker. AMD Epyc CPU's on a single socket board are beating the best Intel has to offer on dual socket boards. Intel will supposedly not have anything to challenge it until at least 2021. This is huge, and as your comment implies, it is already having a huge effect. No industry is going to ignore this. I love these first two sentences. "AMD just obsoleted Intel’s server line with their new Rome CPU. While SemiAccurate won’t make an Epyc/epic pun, the industry hasn’t seen this level of step change since AMD’s dual core Opteron almost two decades ago."
2019-08-20 01:11
United Kingdom willtr
at this point intel wont have time to respond, they are hurrying launches making worse products than they could and now they are so desperate they are making gpu's
2019-08-20 01:38
What is the AMD server cpu line called?
2019-08-20 00:30
Epyc. The new line hasn't released yet but benchmarks are coming in.
2019-08-20 01:09
Australia Chereska
Pretty sure Google are starting some of their specific servers to eypc processors.
2019-08-20 05:44
United States FarCentrist
Still sucks for gaming. No thanks. Il wait for intel's 10nm.
2019-08-19 13:13
It doesn't suck for gaming. WTH are you talking about? Just because the best Intel gaming CPU is slightly ahead in some games does not mean AMD sucks at gaming. AMD is basically equal in gaming now and way ahead everywhere else. You're either trolling or don't know what you are talking about.
2019-08-19 13:15
United States FarCentrist
"slightly ahead" In some games threres like a 15% difference between the 3900x and the 9900k. I dont care about other stuff. Im a gamer, I dont give a shit about converting video files 0.4 seconds faster. Il wait for 10NM which will no doubt crush whatever AMD has out at that point.
2019-08-19 13:35
+1. INTEL forever #1. The best quality of thiers CPU's. Also deadly combo with NVIDIA. AMD's GPU are trashcan if we compare it with GREEN's
2019-08-19 13:38
Do you play CS? Do you play any games that don't rely on having high clocks? If so, Intel is shite amd is better lmao😂😂😂 So funny when Intel fangay retards defend intel pumping out same garbage for years and not getting any improvement and having it now screw them over😂😂 Keep crying Intel fangay
2019-08-19 21:58
Im not an intel fangay LOL. Imagine being so pathetic and retarded to actually pledge allegiance to a fucking chip making company. I'll buy whatever is better for my needs. If AMD was actually better for gaming I would be interested. But it isn't, and hasnt been for decades. So I'll wait. CS GO is one exception where zen 2 is slightly better. But It's a game for filthy casuals, and I already get over 300fps with my unoverclocked 4790k lol.
2019-08-19 22:09
"Already get over 300 fps" - yeh, it's not hard for your FPS to go over 300 sometimes, but it doesn't consistently stay at 300, with the 4790K it drops to like 170-180 in action on some maps.
2019-08-20 00:06
ok but I play at a low res anyway so that's not gonna be a problem.
2019-08-20 00:10
csgo and for casuals. what do you play then? fornite? overwatch? lmao
2019-08-20 13:31
csgo is for casuals. Real gamers play GOTY's.
2019-08-20 14:18
ye go play dark souls lmao "real gamers" i hope you dont believe that shit lmaaao
2019-08-20 14:20
Ive finished all the dark souls games. Bloodbourne will be my next souls game. Cry is free csgo peasant.
2019-08-20 14:25
hahahahah gatekeeping mad american
2019-08-20 22:42
even 4690k keeps 300fps stable so what do u mean ?
2019-08-20 16:20
I have an i7 4790K overclocked to 4.8GHz with a 1080 and it most certainly does not keep 300fps stable. I know other people with the same CPU who don't get 300fps stable either and even people with i7 8700K get drops to 200 in action.
2019-08-20 17:13
then theres problems with ur settings, since my 4690K @4.5ghz paired with an R9 390 kept 300fps stable easily
2019-08-21 13:48
Guys, you have to specify the resolution and settings, otherwise you're not making any sense and you could fruitlessly argue forever
2019-08-21 14:07
yeah 1024x768 stretched all lows
2019-08-21 17:43
any resolution I've tried playing in, all have issues, obviously the lower the res the higher the minimum FPS but none of them maintain a stable 200+ FPS in action.
2019-08-22 21:35
Do you play on DirectX 9 or 11?
2019-08-26 11:06
Also, do you have frame spikes or more gradual fluctuations?
2019-08-26 11:11
having a k and not overclocking tells a lot about your knowledge of cpus
2019-08-20 04:33
I got a bad chip that can only be overclocked to maximum 4.5ghz without crashing. So I just keep it on stock 4.4.
2019-08-20 11:54
#73 haha what? I have a intel i7 9700k running at 5 ghz. Shit for cs? nah
2019-08-21 06:38
More shit than amd xD
2019-08-21 16:46
YE HUGe XD I dont care if I have 500 fps or 508 lul. "So funny when Intel fangay retards defend intel pumping out same garbage for years and not getting any improvement and having it now screw them over😂😂 " What does this even mean? Sure intel could have put out better stuff but they didnt need to since amd has been garbage for 10 years. And still today intel is the best gaming cpu. With their 1 year old gen that has security threats thats obeen patched resulting in lower result still better in games. I would bought a amd if I was going to buy one today, because there is not a huge difference in games anyways just that I get more cores and threads and multitasking (which is something I dont do) would go faster.
2019-08-21 20:14
"better at gaming" lmao what games? You mean the ones that are more dependent on graphics? And no, it's not acceptable for Intel to pump out the same dogshit for years just with a 100 mhz higher clock. You are the problem. Keep crying that Intel's been surpassed😂😂😂
2019-08-21 20:17
its better in the majority of games just stop baiting. Go read some tests. Ofc its acceptable, they are not doing this for a charity exactly like all other big companies. They dont do more than necessary, amd is the one thats been blocking the development because they has never even been close. I am not the problem, amd is/was
2019-08-21 20:20
Keep crying Intel fangay. It's better when it's benchmarked with a 2080 ti (which it's more optimized for than AMD) try it with a 5700 xt and then compare.
2019-08-21 20:20
or because amd choosed to optimize it better with their own graphic cards.. Who cares anyway, 5700 is poop, wouldnt use that one with a good cpu. amd graphiccard omeGalul so POOP
2019-08-21 20:24
2019-08-21 20:26
no not really is better in some games and some games not. when comparing on i7 8700k/9700k/9900k. And who cares about 2070 super when you can have 2080/2080ti/1080ti. 5700 is amds best, 2070 is not nvidias best.
2019-08-21 20:39
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHA mad cuz Intel and Nvidia bad? Expected from FANGAY
2019-08-21 20:48
why do people actually care about this shit lol. I legit bet that all of you were Intel fangays aswell before AMD came out with Ryzen. Just stfu and let the people buy whatever they think is good for them.
2019-08-26 11:30
United Kingdom aight_bet
i'm gamer. almost puked.
2019-08-20 00:31
Yeah you probably have like 4k hours in cs go and play apex legends. You also probably loved PUBG for the 3 months that it wasnt a dead game. Filthy casuals arent gamers.
2019-08-20 00:38
United Kingdom aight_bet
can't even play pubg cuz my pc is shite. never played battle royales. cs go is the only game that i play and i have 2k hours in 5 years.
2019-08-20 10:07
>gamer >2k in 5 years Lol.
2019-08-22 00:21
Correction candy crush players are gamers, they're just not hardcore.
2019-08-20 13:52
he just doesnt know what hes talking about like every intel user xD^^ "AmD BaD cUZ 3 fPs LeSs"
2019-08-19 13:47
Well yeah? Sorry, but why would I choose a platform that is inferior for gaming if im a gamer?
2019-08-19 13:49
you do realize you pay 200€ more for exploits and 3 fps more? XDDD intel is a big scammer company. they always use the same 1151 socket yet u have to buy a new mainboard for new cpus hahaha. good luck finding a good(!) mainboard under 1000€ if your mb breaks and a "new" intel gen comes out
2019-08-19 13:51
der8auer has proven that u can use an older mainboard btw :-D but yeah get scammed noob
2019-08-19 13:52
200 euros more? What are you talking about. The 9900k Is about $120 cheaper than the 3900x.
2019-08-19 13:55
im talking about the ryzen 7 3700x since it has the same amount of cores and threads as the 14nm+++++++++++ heater from intel. and the ryzen is 150 euros cheaper in my country and you get the same performance lol
2019-08-19 14:07
United Kingdom trtr098
to be fair, I can't find a X470 board that's below £250. You can easily find Z390 boards for £150. Plus Ryzen need faster RAM, they end up costing the same. inb4 'you get free RGB wraith cooler'. No shit if you buy a high end CPU you should always have water cooling.
2019-08-19 21:32
"if you buy a high end CPU you should always have water cooling." XDD X470 boards are cheaper than Z390 boards lol. you can buy a low-mid range board for an AMD system for like 110EUR in my country and be fine with it. i guess your country did something wrong then or probably you Xd on the intel side you have to invest more if you want a good vrm layout and oc your cpu but yeah these 14nm++++++++ heaters are already running at their limits so you will just overheat them more atleast you get a cooler which is OKAY unlike intel with their stupid low cooler back in the day Xd today you wont even get one lmao
2019-08-19 22:00
United Kingdom trtr098
My bad, I meant x570 Now I can find some discounted cheap boards but a month ago everything was £220+. Still Ryzen need DDR4 3200 with good timings as a minimum. I’m disappointed in AMD being in a process node 2.7X denser than 14 nm++ and at best only matching intel performance. When intel launches 7 nm with 18% Sunny Cove IPC gains Ryzen will be done.
2019-08-19 23:33
World ZMDR
AMD is only able to keep costs low due to the modular chiplet design. That design also causes a performance drop in latency sensitive work like games. Intel will eventually have to go down the same route if they want to stay competitive in the future. Also their 10nm process is having serious issues with yields, let alone 7nm. You can forget about that happening any time soon. AMD is set to dominate the market for the next 2 years at least. Also although Sunny Cove IPC looks promising, the clocks have taken a huge hit.
2019-08-19 23:57
United Kingdom trtr098
Thats the bit I dont get. Chiplets is only beneficial for 16+ cores. The Ryzen 3700X is only has an 8 core chiplet and IO die. Surely a monolithic dye is better
2019-08-20 00:25
World ZMDR
They moved to chiplets early on so they could scale it up later. The 16 core 3950X coming in a couple of months would definitely be an impossible feat without chiplets.
2019-08-20 16:16
United Kingdom trtr098
They can leave the high end to chiplets and low end to monolithic. Most people buy 3600/3700X, handicaping these chips with chiplet design is a bad decision since they don't have per core advantage over intel yet
2019-08-20 20:19
World ZMDR
AMD's business model is extremely long term. Ryzen 4000 design is already complete and 5000 is well under way. Its only a matter of time until they discontinue the 6 core, and the 8 core will follow suit. They're already out selling Intel and almost matching performance in games anyway.
2019-08-21 01:32
World ZMDR
x570 is expensive because of PCI-E 4, which Intel don't offer. If you don't want that there are way cheaper B450 and x470 boards. And Ryzen 3000 isn't that memory sensitive any more. It now behaves similar to Intel. Fast memory is better, but not needed.
2019-08-20 00:00
You can't find an x470 board for under 250£? Where are you looking? Bed bath and beyond?😂😂😂
2019-08-19 22:00
you should only use watercooling if you are 12 years old. noctua nh-d15 for teh win. 100 % stable no chance of water leaks
2019-08-21 06:42
What’s your cpu ?
2019-08-20 00:56
Australia Chereska
Which world do you live in where the 3900X is more than the 9900K.
2019-08-20 05:46
It has more than 50% less benches lol. Since you are not to smart (arent you?), read : 50% worse.
2019-08-22 00:26
or he is just a salty jew. 10nm dont go above 4ghz. he wants to game on them LUL
2019-08-19 13:48
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2019-08-19 13:46
only in our dreams xD^^
2019-08-19 13:53
Slovakia itsab8
AMD will be deep into development of 5nm chips when intel finally gets their shit together with 10nm lmao
2019-08-20 13:40
wooow, 5% slower in games in a 1080p scenario Definitely not buying AMD.
2019-08-19 14:05
Brazil Vitor_IS
in ur eyes: sucks for gaming = u probably watched some benchmark video on yt of some 1080p games with something like a 2080ti, making it useless cuz those are unrealistics framerates (no one's gonna play in 1080p with a 2080ti cuz it's just overpowered), and the 3900x delivered 5% less performance than the 9900k in some cases because that gpu is way too overpowered to play in 1080p and there are no cpus that can get it to 99% usage at all times. so... this isn't a real case scenario. if u're gonna buy a 3900x, u probably are gonna buy a high end gpu like a 2080, and if u buy that gpu just to play on 1080p u're simply retarded. cuz that gpu is powerful enough to deliver good framerates at 1440p and 4k, and the 3900x is enough to get the gpu to 99% on those resolutions.. get it ? so.... yea, the 3900x (and also all the 3rd ryzens) does NOT suck for gaming.. (these ryzens are actually much better options than the intel processors)
2019-08-20 04:59
I got that 3900x combined with a 2080 and they match perfectly in most scenarios
2019-08-20 13:32
Brazil Vitor_IS
+1 it's a perfect combination
2019-08-20 18:45
Europe LoookATme
2019-08-19 13:40
intel is just saving the cards. Wait for it.
2019-08-19 13:42
yea graphic cards are coming next year, that's why they can't keep up with the cpu's cause they are concentrating on gpus.
2019-08-20 10:14
I've seen this move before, I think we all have lul
2019-08-21 18:54
Just wait when 3950x comes out and the lead will be even greater
2019-08-19 13:42
Probably wont even reach 4ghz.
2019-08-19 13:46
But the CPU mark score will be higher than 3900x for sure
2019-08-19 13:47
But it will suck balls for gaming.
2019-08-19 13:47
I can't agree or deny that until the benchmarks hit, if it is better than 3900x than it probably is/will be the best cpu out there, if not, it still will be a good bang for the buck
2019-08-19 13:49
Portugal Cavalex
who would buy a 3950x for gaming no one. Ryzen 3700x best high end value for Money processor
2019-08-19 22:09
The 9900k is literally $65 more lol. Maybe in europe where everything costs 2x as much its different though.
2019-08-19 22:10
Portugal Cavalex
I don t know what you are talking about but the price of an ryzen 7 3700x is 329 and an I9 9900k is 479.... 150 price difference its a bit
2019-08-19 22:17
NT jew. 3950x hits 4.7Ghz single core boost. 3900x is already the best csgo CPU period full stop. all of this on TSMC 7nm optimized for apple and mobile. TSMC N7P is coming out soon for AMD desktop optimized for high clock speeds. AMD is getting +10 clocks next year. while 10nm desktop wont happen until at least 2022
2019-08-19 13:52
CS GO LOL. Who gives a shit about that game for filthy casuals. Cry is free AMD fangay fakeflagger. Intel is better now, and will always be better FOR GAMING.
2019-08-19 13:59
NT jew. 80% of this site are cs lifers. outside gayming you are getting rekt 2:1 i am still waiting on that 5g modem
2019-08-19 20:51
imagine fighting over a company which gives you nothing in return LOL, AMD better than intel tho "WHO PLAYS CSGO FILTHY GAME FOR CASUALS LLOLOLOLO MY 4790K IsS beTtER tHANnNn 3950x" LMAO bet he only plays csgo and minesweeper FOH
2019-08-19 23:45
2019-08-20 00:01
Dude, this thread doesn´t in anyway suggest that the CPU is better for gaming. It´s better in overall performance.
2019-08-21 08:20
Poland Crosky77
I rly hope Intel will get some competition and maybe lower their pricess
2019-08-19 13:48
i am hpoing intel can even compete with AMD so AMD dont raise their prices. what world are you leaving in hoping for intel to get competition. lets hope they can survive
2019-08-19 21:03
Sweden hyllie
Intel will always be #1 in gaming though
2019-08-19 13:49
and you will always be retarded and information free though 3900x already beats 9900k in csgo LUL go watch LTT benchmarks hardware unboxed also found this for csgo
2019-08-19 13:53
in csgo? not a high benchmark my grans 25 year old pc can run csgo
2019-08-19 21:09
bullshit until 3900x nothing could match 9900k csgo framerates. Shintel fangays (mostly jews) had only gayming to cling to for the last 2years, now they pretend gayming was never important. cry some more jew
2019-08-19 21:12
??? whats with the aggression you fucking fanny I said CSGO is a shit benchmark because it's not difficult to run, if you chose a demanding game to compare then fair point. Is this thread is just a cover for some antisemitism i'm wondering? Either way take your morbidly obese self to somewhere that cares instead of trying to have a circle jerk here you useless fucking clown, can count your brain cells on one hand fucking embarrassing
2019-08-19 21:16
you are the one who is showing aggression. i am just very politely exposing you LUL go cry some more. no csgo is not lighter than any other game at 500fps. its cpu bound benchmark. and its all you had until pretending it never mattered (on a csgo wbsite no less) go cry some more exposed jew
2019-08-19 21:19
lmao fuck me i was generous by saying i can count on one hand one finger is all i need, always thought the US was retarded but jesus looks like their faggot northern neighbours are too
2019-08-19 21:23
LUL destroyed now keep crying.
2019-08-19 21:23
i can keep going man only tears flooding are from you, then again i would cry too if i was unlucky enough to be Canadian
2019-08-19 21:25
exposed, demolished, beaten on merit, resorted to insults, then backtracted redfaced then back to weaker insults, just put a dam in front of your tears and we might solve global energy problems
2019-08-19 22:12
hahaha you're crying over other people's choices of cp then calling them jewish, embarrassing doesn't even cut it your life must be a mess
2019-08-19 23:44
NT jew. choice of CPU (which u cant spell but nvm) more like choice to lie and bs thinking any1 will far for this scam. yea go play csgo on your 25 year old grandma PC and cry some more.
2019-08-19 23:51
Again here you are crying though? Maybe because you're gassing over something a 25 year old pc can do? New born babies cry less than you have been doing
2019-08-20 00:30
tearful jew best jew
2019-08-20 01:05
you're pretty self indulged
2019-08-20 09:07
United States _Nohj
2019-08-20 17:18
and somalia > USA you fat cunt
2019-08-20 23:05
United States _Nohj
whatever you say buddy... btw can you rate these
2019-08-20 23:18
pretty cool bro
2019-08-21 00:10
>choosing a cpu heavy game for testing a cpu >Testing a graphics heavy game to test a cpu Choose the more intellectual one
2019-08-19 23:06
demanding - i never mentioned graphics? Flag definitely checks out, too fucking stupid to understand your own language, too much fast food eating away your already dysfunctional brain tubs
2019-08-19 23:45
Wouldn't a demanding game be a worse test because the numbers would be more graphically halted? Expected from 0 computer knowledge Intel fangay brit
2019-08-20 02:36
Sweden Akoulad
And #1 in vulnerabilities
2019-08-19 15:49
United Kingdom trtr098
Only because 99% of PCs are intel and the hackers actively look for them. Same reason as no virus on Macs Plenty in Ryzen if you look for it e.g.Ryzenfall
2019-08-19 21:27
For gaming i9 9900k is still better, but only if you have no concerns over money spent. More importantly, Intel is stuck with their current CPU technology, while AMD is set on roadmap to push zen3 and zen4 in next 2 years. This year's zen2 have caught up with intel and beaten it in many ways, but next year will most likely be intel giving up on all leads.
2019-08-19 13:54
Got AMD, best decision.
2019-08-19 14:05
I bet you have a huawei phone.
2019-08-19 14:07
no, OnePlus 7 Pro
2019-08-19 15:33
All AMD fanboys have cheap chinese phones.
2019-08-19 15:43
700 euros cheap LMAO also its >> iPhone
2019-08-19 16:05
700 euros is cheap. lol nope. It has a high refresh rate screen which is the only good thing about it. Iphone is better in almost every other aspect.
2019-08-19 16:12
You obviously dont know anything. Very high performance, better battery, better camera, the selfie camera doesnt take space on the display, and obviously better price. NT Burger and China-hater XD
2019-08-19 17:30
The camera isnt better LOL. The battery isnt either when your actually using the high refresh rate. Better performance. Far better build quality with better materials. Better camera. Better image quality. Better speakers Superior application optimization. BTW im an S9+ user.
2019-08-19 18:38
he aint burger. he is judist
2019-08-19 20:54
I had your mom for free then
2019-08-20 19:13
wrong reply
2019-08-20 19:13
intel sucking amd big dick
2019-08-19 15:39
Arguing about CPUs on HLTV in 2019 OmegaLUL
2019-08-19 15:45
Not understanding CPU's in 2019. Cringe.
2019-08-19 16:18
Assuming stuff about people in 2019. Even cringier cringe. What's even funnier is that you probably actually don't know jack shit about this stuff. NT newbie
2019-08-19 21:07
If you understood CPU's you'd see that discussing them has merits. AMD has finally become relevant again and their road map looks a lot more exciting than Intel.
2019-08-19 23:09
not to mention that their threadripper with 64 cores and 128 threads is coming
2019-08-19 15:46
And that is not even looking at the server CPU's. Here is what a taste of what an article on Anandttech said about AMD's new server CPU's. "...The launch of AMD's second generation EPYC processors is nothing short of historic, beating the competition by a large margin in almost every metric: performance, performance per watt and performance per dollar. " And since there is big money is servers this is sort of even more important than their desktop CPU's, this will hopefully let AMD consolidate so they can keep pushing the limits.
2019-08-19 16:16
server is not more important than PC (if u include laptop) both nvidia and intel make close to 50% from client PC. Amazon google MS apple will prolly make their own chips in the future (google TPU already, amazon a1 family arm cpus, ...) client PC is most important market. server big dollar bs is myth
2019-08-19 20:58
The "big money" on the server side comes from supercomputers. Otherwise data center numbers are laughable compared to the consumer market.
2019-08-19 21:13
data center is not laughable but smaller than client PC. data center will also decline in future as google/amazon make their own chips. they dont need intel/nvidia/amd just TSMC/Samsung to make the chips
2019-08-19 21:14
Designing own chips is not an easy task. They will probably both fail unless they acquire some staff from intel/amd.
2019-08-19 21:19
nope they license architecture from ARM and google has been making TPUs for a decade now. google invented TPU to begin with. AMD was a 3 billion dollar company when they built 1st gen zen. google is 1 trillion
2019-08-19 21:21
Google was a $10,000 company when AMD was a $500m company. Let's not forget who actually makes processors and who makes a search engine and some cloudy stuff. ARM's designs ain't shit by the way. They can make low power chips and that's about it. Zero performance compared to a desktop/server processor.
2019-08-19 21:43
you are beyond help bro. sorry i cant fix you.
2019-08-19 22:10
Performance per watt matters. That is where ARM is looking good and there is more and more support for their architecture. As for comparing AMD and Google, there is just a lot more money in advertising and Google is like 25 times AMD in value if not more - three years ago the difference was much bigger (something like 400 times or so if I recall correctly).
2019-08-19 23:06
I am pretty sure that the profit on each server CPU is lots higher than of client side CPU's, that is why I think the server market really matters. Also while Amazon, Google and more are getting into building their own there are still lots and lots of others that need servers.
2019-08-19 22:59
look at the 2nd table: NVIDIA report from last week. Client PC is 2x data center. who cares if profit on each CPU is larger if you don't have volume. semi conductor biz is all about volume. also server is going to decline in the future while client PC wont decline. doesnt mean no servers will be sold, but google/amazon/ms/apple can only buy less as they make their own whereas client PC wont be making their own. Client PC > data center
2019-08-19 23:13
Going by what I see at work and hear from others then client side is very much declining. People replace PC's less frequent and even sales of tables has been going down for a while now. For more and more people it is like, new PC - why then one I have does all I need and with Windows 10 being more and more like a service even upgrading to get a new Windows is less a thing. Also I think you mistaken thinking that google/amazon/apple/me is gonna be running everything, the cloud is less trendy than it was a year ago.
2019-08-19 23:27
sure bob "Going by what I see at work and hear from others" > NVIDIA quarterly report from 4 days ago. "the cloud is less trendy than it was a year ago" sure too. I am not sure if you speak english or read my last comment but i expect your to comeback and say i am mistaken to think google/amazon will run everything again no matter what i say so i give up.
2019-08-19 23:54
Whatever. Global PC sales in 2011 was 365 million, the number in 2018 was 259 million. It may be up a couple of points this year, but if that goes for the full year it is to early to say and a single year where the number does not drop is hardly a clear indication of what is to happen in 2020. Maybe things look different in Europe than in North America, the future will tell how is right.
2019-08-20 00:49
more ass pulled data. intel: 10.2 billion PC-centric client computing group 6.1 billion DCG
2019-08-20 01:49
If that is meant to contradict what I have been writing then you missed something.
2019-08-20 01:58
i did indeed miss something. care to explain how intel had 10 billion quarterly sales in a market that was 259 million for all of 2018
2019-08-20 02:33
Explaining these things should not be necessary. Firstly most PC's cost more than a dollar, secondly those Intel sales is more than CPU's and finally the Intel market share is huge so most of those PC's contain Intel parts.
2019-08-20 10:01
the conversation was about dollars u changed to units w/- mentioning it. like i said i did miss something. u ddnt provide any source so its still ass pulled data. client computing has not shrunk at all. its an all time high. what you are saying is completely baseless. ass pulled data nothing more. and even if some ultrabook sales are lost to tablets doesnt mean client computing is shrinking. it means intel has lost share to arm. the same can and will happen in servers
2019-08-21 12:25
I am not the one that made it about dollar amounts, my my starting point is that the server CPU's has a bigger margin that the consumer ones - something which makes it extra interesting for a smaller company like AMD since they do not have the muscles and the distribution network to supply as many units as Intel. As for what you call "ass pulled data" then please explain why any of the PC producers listed as sources would report lower sales numbers than their actual numbers, if anything one could imagine they would maybe exaggerate in order to look as having a higher market share. Also I am not in any way saying less computers are used, it is just that people and companies replace them less frequent which then cuts into sales.
2019-08-21 18:05
so you found every single pc producer and added all the numbers. got it. that and some nonsensical speculation about under reporting. i just showed you recen filings by intel and nvidia where client computing is much bigger than server. + the kind of threat in servers that does not exist in PC and u keep repeating yourself whatever dude
2019-08-21 19:24
You're simply not getting what I am saying, it should not be that hard though. Let me try to explain a final time. 1. Selling server CPU's bring more profit per unit than consumer CPU's and importantly they also bring a higher return percentage wise. 2. At no time have I claimed the consumer CPU business is smaller than the server side, not sure why you even bringing that up. You seem to somehow confuse the two types of CPU's or something, just as you somehow thing a lower number of PC's sold means the business is growing.
2019-08-21 20:19
lul amd is trash
2019-08-19 20:55
United Kingdom p0mpouS
Just wish it would transfer more to gaming.
2019-08-19 21:08
these newer cpu's are all about getting them stats and not real world performance.
2019-08-20 04:21
United Kingdom p0mpouS
Basically, my friend just bought an i9 9900k and a 2080ti, my sli 1080s and 8700k is basically getting the same numbers or better.
2019-08-20 04:22
I bought a 3900x specifically looking towards the future over a 9900k. Kept my GTX 1080 will wait for RTX refreshes or an AMD GPU that doesn't suck. As far as I can tell I'm getting frame rate bounces in just about everything over my 6700k and I figure as life progresses I'll be happier about my new Samsung PCI-E 4.0 SSD (whenever it comes out) and extra four cores over the 9900k even if the 9900k gets 5% more frames at 1080p a resolution I never even see because I'm not poor. As far as CSGO goes I've been getting 300+ frames even on my old platform.
2019-08-19 21:49
but the 6700k is trash
2019-08-26 11:15
Not in 2016. It was the best gaming chip available.
2019-08-26 18:08
My old x5680 (4.35ghz) with a gtx 980 was getting the same fps in pubg as my friend who had a 6700k + 1080ti. He recently upgraded to ryzen but the 6700k was a joke
2019-08-26 19:06
Except it wasn't. It literally won every gaming benchmark at the time when it came out. And you could clock them to 4.7 - 5.0 ghz easily. Your friends computer was fucked up, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe he was running single channel memory. Maybe he had no airflow and he was causing things to throttle. I have no idea. But Xeon or not the 6700k will beat that chip in anything that's not threaded past 8. Just period. In fact Intel has yet to come out with an HEDT part that has faster then skylake cores.
2019-08-26 19:09
Kylar | 
Other rssyo
wait for cannon lake haha
2019-08-19 23:16
wait for zen 3 :)
2019-08-19 23:16
Kylar | 
Other rssyo
wow that was the fastest reply I ever got from an amd fanboy
2019-08-19 23:17
sup intel fanboy :)
2019-08-19 23:37
Ok but thats for servers.
2019-08-20 00:31
United States YEP_COCK
the 3900x is a desktop cpu??
2019-08-20 02:13
I mean yea, but its best usages are high quality smaller servers (like a private server for gaming or such), and content creation.
2019-08-20 04:10
United States YEP_COCK
and gaming/streaming. its not used for a server.
2019-08-20 04:23
bruh I legit just told you streaming is content creation, also it is not that great for gaming, its equal to a cpu you can get for a lot closer to 300
2019-08-20 04:24
United States YEP_COCK
the cpu is marketed as a gaming/content cpu. not a server cpu. u have no idea what server cpus are if u think companies would buy these in bulk and use them for a server rack
2019-08-20 05:12
Did you even read my comment? "I mean yea, but its best usages are high quality smaller servers (like a private server for gaming or such), and content creation.", not server racks, private home servers. Its marketed as a gaming cpu because those sell, it is not good for gaming.
2019-08-20 15:57
who cares blyat
2019-08-20 01:31
intel better for CS, I dont run video editting software with 1000 tabs open, I just play CS on high FPS
2019-08-20 02:06
United States YEP_COCK
theres like a 1% difference between the 3800x and the 9900k in single threaded workloads. The difference is one costs less and has much better multi threaded performance and at a lower tdp
2019-08-20 02:14
Meh, i9 is actually cheaper bc its older, also the 3800x actually has slightly worse multicore performance up to 8 cores, and alot of applications that arent content creation, it doesnt matter if you have more than 4-8 cores/threads.
2019-08-20 04:12
United States YEP_COCK
2019-08-20 04:21
thats content creation.
2019-08-20 04:22
United States YEP_COCK
not in the same sense as video rendering ect.
2019-08-20 04:22
its still classified under content creation, and is a minority of consumers.
2019-08-20 04:23
United States YEP_COCK
why get 4 cores when u can get 8 for cheaper and same single thread perf?
2019-08-20 04:24
bc its more and its 8 cores vs 12, also 12 consumes more power and most applications cant use 12
2019-08-20 04:24
United States YEP_COCK
the tdp of the 3800x is less then the 9900k.... u clearly have no idea what ur talking about
2019-08-20 04:25
or maybe you do seeing as you think adding more cores is better for gaming and that streaming isnt content creation.
2019-08-20 04:26
United States YEP_COCK
i never said more cores is better for gaming.
2019-08-20 04:27
you said this cpu designed not for gaming (but it is marketed for this, AMD, and intel both do this) is better for gaming, but if you look at ingame benchmarks it provides no benefit.
2019-08-20 04:30
United States YEP_COCK
i never said the 3800x was better then the 9900k for gaming. i said it is slightly behind for a much cheaper price
2019-08-20 05:05
its slightly worse for gaming for effectively the same price.
2019-08-20 15:55
United States YEP_COCK
and the i9 is more expensive then the 3800x
2019-08-20 04:22
3900x is 500 I can buy the i9 for about 470
2019-08-20 04:26
United States YEP_COCK
what.... the 9900k is 470 and the 3800x is 400
2019-08-20 04:24
my bad, thought you meant 3900x, the 9900k way outperforms the 3800x
2019-08-20 04:25
United States YEP_COCK
no it doesnt
2019-08-20 04:26
it does though atleast on the few applications where either is better than a $300 cpu.
2019-08-20 04:27
United States YEP_COCK
its about 5% more performance for an additional $80
2019-08-20 04:27
yea sure overall, but if you buy your cpu based on overall performance than you can expect to suffer a 10% loss, also you can get a 9900k for cheaper than 480 bc it is older.
2019-08-20 04:29
United States YEP_COCK
no u cant. the fucking retail price is 480.
2019-08-20 05:06
ok but like theres a thing called buying from stores, and stores like to sell so they often decrease the price.
2019-08-20 15:56
United States YEP_COCK
i saw a 9900k at best buy for 500
2019-08-20 15:58
wow, best buy selling over market value? never heard of that before! certainly havent seen a fucking 970 for 600 after the 10 series was released.
2019-08-20 15:58
United States YEP_COCK
its 480 on amazon
2019-08-20 19:07
AMD fans are like the special kids in school who wear second-hand shoes
2019-08-20 04:35
and also outfit
2019-08-20 14:24
- but AMD IS hot hot, like 273.15 kelvin hot! - but average Intel with stock cooler is clock at 60 celsius! my I9 99999999k 14mm++++++ technology is only at 69 celsius while gaming, that still better than hot hot AMD - also Intel Sponsor csgo tournament (yeah real talk here) I want to see AMD sponsor more game tournament too, the only AMD Sponsor Tourney I know is Quake Champ, I wonder if AMD sponsor a Team that will win an Intel tournament... cause that would be funny
2019-08-20 04:37
1) 273.15 Kelvin is 0°C. Probably a joke, maybe not 2) What CPU, what cooler, in what scnario? I have yet to see any reasonably powerful Intel CPU run at less than 70 degrees under load. 3) Fnatic, Evil Geniuses, s1mple. Look it up
2019-08-20 13:19
1st: it's clearly a joke 2nd: no I don't mean that kind of small sponsor and Evil Geniuses?and Do we have EG csgo team? - what I mean is AMD Esport organization
2019-08-21 03:48
intel doesn't sell (K) cpu's with stock coolers.
2019-08-20 13:34
but for gaming still Intel 9600k,8700k,9700k,9900k
2019-08-20 09:09
Not 9600K or 8700K but the rest ye
2019-08-20 09:27
WHy exactly not 8700k? Easier to delid and liquid metal, after which it has wayy better temps and can be OC'd more.
2019-08-20 13:20
yea pay 50€ more for the delidding stuff and 150€ for better cooler, and after you've overclocked the 8700k just to find that you didn't win in the silicon lottery you get buyers remorse when you find out that you couldve spent that 200€ to something that actually was worth it.
2019-08-20 13:28
Well, it goes a bit differently irl 1) OC it on stock, see if it's a half decent chip at least 2) delid it 3) assuming you didn;t break it, put liquid metal on it and put the IHS back on 4) Congratz, now you've got 15-20°C lower temps on the very same cooler Then again, you're talking to a guy who spent 600$ on a custom watercooling and is going to spend cca 300$ more for a second loop. I might be a bit biased in this. BUT. even though the 9000 series of chips uses soldered TIM, it's still a good bit worse than liquid metal (~8-10 degrees worse)
2019-08-20 13:46
yea and if its not a half decent chip, or you break it during delidding?
2019-08-20 13:48
If it's not a half decent chip, you return it and get a new one, assuming it's possible to do with your retailer. If you break it during delidding, well, nothing you can do, it's an inherent risk and you just have to try and be as careful as possible. Also, the 8700k and 9600k is almost the same CPU, same single core performance, the only difference is teh extra threads and a bit more cache on the i7. if you can find them for the same price, i'd get the 8700k.
2019-08-20 13:58
well that's a risk only extreme enthusiast are willing to take for a small gain. and you can't return a chip that has been used, you need a good reason for it.
2019-08-20 14:07
Depends on the specific ocuntry's law. For example, in Czech republic, you can return any item that you bought form e-shopr (online retailers) within 14 days without a specific reason, as long as it's intact, undamaged and in original packaging. Even if it wasn't a super-good chip, I'd still go for the extra threads, just for the extra thread and chache. That being said, Ryzen 3700x is the option I chose, so...
2019-08-20 14:15
how much did the 3700x drop in temps after you delidded it?
2019-08-20 14:22
Don't have to delid it, it's soldered on. Also, de8auer tried it, destroyed 3 chips before he managed to actually delid it, and only got a 2°C temp drop, so I'd say the solder is pretty good. I never actually bought any chip with the standard intel TIM, all of mine have been properly soldered on ( Core 2 Duo E8400, i7 920, i7 3930K, 3700x)
2019-08-20 14:38
was it worth going from the 3930k to 3700x? im rocking a 4790k still and to me its not worth going for it,i was planning on it earlier.
2019-08-20 18:48
Just get a 3900x like me
2019-08-21 06:34
i don't really need all those cores and threads tho the 3700x is the sweetspot for gamers i think.
2019-08-21 06:41
More like 3600 but the 3700x is a very good choice too. I wanted to future proof for 3-5 years so i chose this one.
2019-08-21 12:14
intel got greedy and lazy over the years, so rn id say AMD > INTEL
2019-08-20 10:09
Finland okoZzzu
an the prize is so much lower with amd
2019-08-20 13:47
I'm using intel right now in both my laptop and pc and I'm honestly happy that this is happening, i want AMD to be a fierce competitor, so Intel doesn't do whatever the fuck they want, and if this keeps going like this I'll jump to AMD just to keep it going. This is what we all need brothers.
2019-08-20 13:50
+1 it`s just better for all of us intel and amd customers.
2019-08-20 18:57
Aside of FPS think about FRAME TIME. Here is a good video on the topic:
2019-08-20 13:50
you're only saying that because you have no money for an intel top processor OMEGALUL
2019-08-20 18:50
as if i own the benchmark site lol
2019-08-21 17:52
that site is biased towards amd and in case you didn't know, amd has been paying sites and youtubers to give good reviews to their shit
2019-08-21 18:48
lol, yeah totally biased. check out top10´s on the site. It´s only intel proccessors except this one.
2019-08-21 19:47
im a baiter and I invented all I wrote
2019-08-21 19:54
2019-08-21 19:54
Europe skharppi
This thread is full of annoying fan boys. Most of these kids wasn't there when AMD was the top dog, they made first 64bit, duo- and quad-core processors. Without AMD we would live in an era where we would still have pentium 4's. While i have Intel on both of my computer, i would most likely choose ryzen if i were to upgrade. On the other hand i would maybe wait for new intels and see who comes on top and buy that. On GPU side i wouldn't see changing to AMD just because i have g-sync monitor. It's good that AMD is challenging Nvidia on that front tho. Competition is good for customers, fanboyism is bad for everybody
2019-08-20 22:48
Fanboyism is good for the companies
2019-08-21 06:19
Europe letqpena
+1 I had Athlon XP1800+, Athlon 64 3200+ and Athlon x2 4200+. During that period Intel had nothing good since P4 was initially pretty good, but aged way too fast and C2Ds were still years away. Nevertheless, I still use i7 2600k, it was great when it came out and it's still doing it's job perfectly well, but because of Intel's lackluster approach to actually developing something new, I've thought about updating to Ryzen 7.
2019-08-21 06:57
Europe skharppi
I ran 2600k @ 5Ghz with NH-D15 for close to 5years. Great CPU, i currently have 6700k stock
2019-08-22 16:12
xeon >
2019-08-20 23:05
No, i9 9900k is faster in CS GO! Is faster in all the games. Yes, in productivity Ryzen 3900x is better. The video is in russian:
2019-08-21 00:31
everyone knows that 9600k,8700k,9700k,9900k is better option for gaming. Intel supports 5ghz and more, and fast ram 4000+
2019-08-21 12:18
Europe zhamp
amd sucks, and will always suck. /closed
2019-08-21 06:21
dude i really hope the 3950X can beat the 9900K in gaming tho unlikely , it'd be so awesome.
2019-08-21 06:27
people in this thread dont even mention if u stream do workload ect the ryzen far surpasses intel, intel win in a few games but compare them both while streaming which tons of people do then check the benchmarks if u stream + game ryzen dominates
2019-08-21 12:27
2019-08-21 17:03
Not to mention most people fail to realize that pretty much all of the benchmarks that reviewers do are on completely FRESH windows installations with minimal other software. Once the system starts clogging up and other programs start hogging resources, Ryzen will have an even bigger advantage, especially using the lower/midrange CPUs.
2019-08-21 17:51
For the last years, i've always had AMD processors due to pricexperformance (High end Intel stuff was always tooooo expensive for me), but Intel had the high end market on their hands, this seriously is either impressive for AMD, or impressively bad for intel
2019-08-21 18:57
United States xiquo
ive never seen this website ever mens
2019-08-21 19:26
Doesnt matter, low iq ppl will keep buying intel OMEGA
2019-08-21 20:28
lol mad Intel fanboys. Let AMD have this little victory for over a decade.
2019-08-22 07:35
no, lol
2019-08-22 21:35
i9-9900K is still the highest-performing CPU for gaming. But I agree, when you want to save some money - Ryzen 3000 lets you do that, e.g. Ryzen 3600 (budget CPU for gaming) and 3700X (higher budget CPU for streaming and gaming and also some work if you need). Sadly neither NVIDIA nor AMD has released any mid-end GPU for an adequate amount of money. I mean, a middle-end GPU should cost UP TO 300$, instead a new fake mid-end GPU (RTX 2060) costs 350$ for fuck's sake and what should be a mid-end GPU (RTX 2060 SUPER) costs 400$, like what the actual fuck??? And AMD doesn't even try to make NVIDIA reduce the prices, with RX 5700 for another 350$ like seriously? And all those short-sighted and short-minded with their "more performance can't cost the same" just get a brain and recall that every hardware generation brings more performance, so why don't we start from let's say 7800 GTX and sell every newer generation for more, imagine how much any modern GPU would cost and stop with that stupidity.
2019-08-26 19:23
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