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Luken | 
Argentina Matigarcia 
2019-08-25 02:31
#1
Stewie2K | 
Slovakia 4NTEP 
okay?
2019-08-25 02:32
#2
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Peru TheJuan 
Context?
2019-08-25 02:33
#3
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Portugal NabasKi 
apparently everyone's supporting the president and it's about an Argentina that doesn't want to turn back and will defend their Republic (???) (tried translating as best as I could) so I guess they were a monarchy before?
2019-08-25 02:35
#6
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Peru TheJuan 
Thanks. Your translation is fine. I was wondering why would they need to defend their Republic tho.
2019-08-25 02:39
It's a retard retoric from right wing that affect arg, br , py and maybe uruguay(not sure about this one). They accuse the leftist of socialism and way that they will tranforme their countries in a new Venezuela
2019-08-25 02:56
they are scum, but it's true, the opposition supports Venezuelan system and regime
2019-08-25 03:18
Idk about PY, but in arg Alberto Fernandez doesn't support Venezuela and in BR das created a argument that Lula supported chavez to create a socialist republic in americas . I mean both are from left but they're diff as fuck
2019-08-25 04:37
former president Cristina Fernandez very openly supported Chavez and has recently declared that Argentina is currently in a worse situation than Venezuela (yeah, sure) and that she'd feel "safer" in that country than on her own (I wonder why...)
2019-08-25 06:47
Ye , cristina nas always supported maduro, that's why didn't way anything about ver, because it's known, but Alberto Fernandez never showed that he supports maduro
2019-08-25 18:30
#47
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
yeah, the thing is that Cristina is going to be the vice president, in case they win.
2019-08-25 18:35
I know, but it's that vice are not so important in republic, they Just do teu burocratic thing when the president is away and smile, ir the president wants. Depends if the president wants to have a relevante vice or not
2019-08-25 20:05
But foi guys are lond fucked, choose between macri and Cristina , it's though
2019-08-25 20:06
are you fucking retarded????? also quit fake flagging cagon de mierda , zurdo cagon puto hijo de puta.
2019-08-25 20:16
Lul, do you think macri or Cristina good?
2019-08-25 20:18
Of course not , i will vote for Espert , then see him get 1.5% of the votes , then get the fuck out of this fucking shithole. You're a punk though.
2019-08-25 20:23
It's the best thing de can do, I really like SA, but our politics just want to develop their own group. Since I have italian citizenship I'li get out of here
2019-08-25 20:29
+1
2019-08-25 21:05
Right, vote for someone more to the left than macri, some one that has openly said that women should stay in the kitchen, that has also been racist more than once and that is homophobic. Are you sure that thing (he cant be called human) is going to solve someting?? who you vote says a lot of thing about you.
2019-08-26 01:33
more to the right than macri**
2019-08-26 01:58
Idk how was the situation of py's left
2019-08-25 18:31
but lula actually supported chavez, evo moralez, mujica... this socialist republic of americas is something that cabo daciolo said, literally a fanatic religious bolsonaro only used the idea of foro de sao paulo, created by old crazy olavo de caralho, but that is only a organisation of leftist politicians in LATAM
2019-08-25 21:09
SA is on the shit cuz of the fuckin retards runnin it for the past 500year, whit rare exceptions
2019-08-25 06:50
it's basically fucktards from left and right wing accusing the opposition of beeing corrupt while they do the same or worse shit
2019-08-25 06:54
Yes and the biggest argument to elect either retard is that the other is also a retard lmao
2019-08-25 07:00
^this, The biggest problem is the corruption that originated from a fucked up ex-colonialist system, so you can't really expect much. not to mention sometimes you have to vote for someone who is honest and not for the ideology itself.
2019-08-25 07:06
no , not really , the biggest problem is that French influence and Italian immigration made Argentina and Brasil populations adhere with statism , then like it , then love it. Left is statism , Right is Libertarianism , leftism will always be the problem , right wing will always be the PROPER way to go , shout like a retard if you want , poke fun at me all you want , the truth is the truth and the numbers to back it up are there. corruption was huge everywhere , including the U.S states that beat the English crown in 1776 , is just that since they decided to keep their government as small as possible , it never contaminated nearly as much as it did in our countries , and when Argentina turned away from that system it became gold. Brasil never did this , but it seems like now is your turn , you really shouldn't repeat that centrist cringy nonsense pimpim....it's retarded , wrong and intellectually dishonest.
2019-08-25 20:14
The right is all about corporatism nowadays which is another form of statism so pick your poison
2019-08-25 20:17
just because they're conservatives doesn't mean they're right wingers , they're leftist , regardless of what political party or rethoric they run. Right Wingers don't want corporativism (you misspelled it) , they want Laissez-faire with Chicago or Austrian Economics , no subsidies , no government favors , no statized enterprised , gloves off and fight for the monopoly....that's the only way they never get it and the average idiot benefits from goods and services.
2019-08-25 20:26
Well if you take a look in the 1929 depression you will realise why laissez faire has failed ,recession + deflation , no one was investing into the economy and it was a positive feedback loop worsening the situation each year until the new deal .And even after the new deal in 1933 there was a slight recession in 1937-1938 if I am correct .America got out of that cycle after the WW2 ,in the 50s and 60s it had close to 10% gdp growth even with the higher tax bracket being 90% .Why?Many factos like the US was the only country not devastated by the war and it became the world's factory and of course the emergence of a strong middle class which is shrinking since 1973 (Brenton -Woods collapse but I don't if that is the main culprit since there was the oil crisis and the introduction of credit in 1971). You are watching too much ,that crisis predictor guy i guess , Peter Schiff or whatever his name is
2019-08-25 20:34
If you think that the great depression was private sector's fault , you've got no clue what you're talking about.
2019-08-25 20:53
elaborate
2019-08-25 20:55
but 1929 depression was made by state intervention in economy lol
2019-08-25 21:11
Elaborate by not using prageru logic
2019-08-25 21:19
>implying that i watch those zionist neocons
2019-08-25 21:21
good ,explain then
2019-08-25 21:22
state drags down the interest rate, people who shouldn't have that money have now, create a bubble, indebtedness, crisis
2019-08-25 21:25
Except for the fact that the FED actually increased its interest rates after the recession hit(which was bad policy of course) ,what you are talking about happened in the dot com bubble in 2000 which led to the 2007 financial crisis and of course then they decreased the rates again thus creating another stock market bubble in our present time .The fact of the matter is private investors were not pumping their money into the economy because everyone expected prices to fall in order to buy(deflation) ,but it got worse and then worse and then even more worse .The state had to intervene at that point and the unions threatened RFD that they would start a revolution
2019-08-25 21:31
yes, the increase of the interest rate was the point, imagine if you get some money in the bank in some lower interest rate, then the bank sometime after sayis it will increase the rate, you might not have the money to pay your debt and will loose your house, car, or anything that was in your name and you have put to make the ensurance the loan
2019-08-25 21:34
Wait so now its the other way around?I thought the decrease was the problem.Anyway you can't just claim that the private sector is not to blame on this mess and our current situation ,why do they get a free pass for their fuck ups ? Who are they, the descendants of god and they only do right ? Com on
2019-08-25 21:39
wtf? the problem is the variaton of the interest tax made by the government, if they drag it down, someday they will increase that and the bubble will pop, so to speak the private sector fault on it is their alliance with politicians and burocrats to make difficult any kind of small business competition and not believing this intervetion would create a crisis
2019-08-25 21:44
First of all it is not made by the government ,the FED is an indipendent agency and it is not owned by the state ,most of the fed stocks are privately owned . Secondly interest are adjusted to counter hyper inflation or deflation ,they cant be static .What is happening now is the GDP grows only because the rates are low ,and with the extra money they buy their own stocks to drive the company's stock upward ,instead of investing into R&D ,new production lines ,in things in general that will have a lasting positive influence instead of short term profit .If the monetary policy has failed us and we need a reboot that has nothing to do with the government
2019-08-25 22:16
I'm actually talking about mostly ex-colonies from Spain and Portugal here in Americas.
2019-08-25 20:33
me too.
2019-08-25 20:54
Yup
2019-08-25 06:49
this right wing neocon is shit, yeah, but leftists are even worse
2019-08-25 21:04
Learn history. Argentina was in a dictatorship in 20th century.
2019-08-25 18:29
#53
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Peru TheJuan 
????? Content
2019-08-25 19:20
'' why they defend republic (democracy) ". Because they left a dictatorship two days ago.
2019-08-25 19:27
the context is that in Argentina, a person called "cristina kirchner" who was a president before(corruption, allied with venezuela, killed people here in argentina and a lot more), wants to be again president, and there were... lets say "preparation before voting president" called Las Paso, where cristina won, and now a lot of people is scared cause most part of the people that voted her are just people who lives from the money the state gives to them for free. btw, she is a populist-comunist leftist xD
2019-08-25 18:35
#48
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Portugal NabasKi 
so was the voting rigged beforehand basically? those people are just afraid of working and want to live out of doing nothing while sucking all the money, that's the kind of people who stagnates our world
2019-08-25 18:37
yes, something like that. Problem is that that woman is pretty retarded and literally made a joke about argentina and venezuela saying that we were economically like venezuela.
2019-08-25 18:39
the most problematic thing is that it seems argentinians want to go back to that huuuge corruption where even a guy who found and showed proofs of corruption related with that woman got killed by her
2019-08-25 18:40
well, it is kinda true, considering how protectionist argentina became since 1900s
2019-08-25 21:12
she was talking about the food, and compared how mmuch L we can buy of milk withh 1 salary to how much L venezuela's people can buy with 1 salary. and pple from venezuela who live in argentina sent her a video cause she said stupid stuff all around, adding that she insulted the actual president and that has like 17 charges against her for corruption, murdering and etc
2019-08-25 21:39
I never knew there were people in Argentina. Always thought it was just Llamas.
2019-08-25 02:36
#7
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Oceania Sharon_Needles 
Only thing I know about Argentina is the Andes and they have some presence in Antarctica.
2019-08-25 02:41
Np, only thing i know about you are that you have lot of kangaroos
2019-08-25 03:16
We also have these little fucking Kangaroo things called wallaby’s.
2019-08-25 03:30
Oh yeah wallabies like the rugby team
2019-08-25 04:09
#8
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Peru TheJuan 
That’s Peru. Get it right 😠
2019-08-25 02:40
LETS GO MACRI , BRAZIL SUPPORT YOU
2019-08-25 02:39
#21
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Argentina GREATfr 
Thx fnx 😎
2019-08-25 03:21
2019-08-25 02:40
#10
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Poland yikesmaNn 
wut
2019-08-25 02:46
Meanwhile here there is millions of feminazi hurting innocent people and grafitti our monuments...
2019-08-25 02:52
#22
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Argentina GREATfr 
In mexico? Damn
2019-08-25 03:22
can you give me around 3 or 5 sources at least? just by curiousity
2019-08-25 20:40
youtu.be/Rrqkfxf76eE Look for feminist movement mexico They were burning the subway Graffiti of national monuments Pucnching news reporters
2019-08-25 20:45
0:50 morte al macho wtf? is that like "death to (all) men? Why did that reporter got beaten by that other man, though? Fucking shit, man. Thanks for the video.
2019-08-25 20:50
Macho is more like a machist, so yeah like "kill all machists" The news reporter wasnt saying anything bad or offensive just saying what was hapoening, and he got knocked out..... Altering the national flags, burning monuments just sad
2019-08-25 20:53
Sad as fuck bro.
2019-08-25 22:25
#13
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Argentina roulettesoad 
if you are fan of a political party enough to show "support" in the main plaza you are retarded, macri doesn't care about them and kirchneristas neither does
2019-08-25 02:58
Im a fan of whatever i need to be if its against kirchnerism
2019-08-25 03:17
#19
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Argentina roulettesoad 
del caño 2023
2019-08-25 03:19
+1
2019-08-25 03:19
+1
2019-08-25 07:11
ohw
2019-08-25 03:01
#25
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Macri is bad, but kirchner is 1000x worse, so unfortunately you have to root for him.
2019-08-25 04:13
#29
broky | 
Latvia D0cCtore 
nt
2019-08-25 04:49
#122
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
You want Kirchner to win? Are you suicidal or something?
2019-08-25 22:20
+1
2019-08-25 21:14
#144
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
+1 either way we're fucked but i would support an incompetent fuck every day over a 50+ failed system
2019-08-26 03:05
Hope all the argentinians die, it´s the only hope for this country Xd
2019-08-25 04:42
Please don’t let those liberals(was also know as Peronist in Argentina) be the Argentina government again. Your country’s economy will clapped if you guys do so.
2019-08-25 04:46
+1 Macri is shit, but Alberto Fernandéz+Kirchner = 1 billion times worse.
2019-08-25 04:54
I know but its gonna be hard
2019-08-25 04:56
No options at all?
2019-08-25 07:13
Macri or Kirchner are the biggest options
2019-08-25 18:24
#51
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
The underdogs that seemed to be a bit viable got a 2 - 3% (I don't mean just Espert) The third most voted candidate is a peronista. GG
2019-08-25 18:41
Oh, man..
2019-08-25 19:22
dont use the word liberal in the u.s american way (if you have a brain)
2019-08-25 19:29
#40
ropz | 
Argentina rawe1337 
Sadly we are going towards the economic disaster with either CFK or Macri, they're not awful at it, however, Kirchnerism is way worse because of a lot of other factors that are too obvious.
2019-08-25 07:27
Socialism + Feminism do not work
2019-08-25 19:22
#61
ropz | 
Argentina rawe1337 
I meant "they're both awful at it"**
2019-08-25 19:55
#42
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Brazil kaiknux 
Kirchnerism is a joke
2019-08-25 18:27
i smell right wing virgins over here
2019-08-25 18:43
Macri is center left. But really , it seems like you're the biggest virgin beta cuck , alt left pussyfag.
2019-08-25 19:28
What?
2019-08-25 20:08
1) KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 2) idgaf bout politics
2019-08-25 21:40
#97
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Europe skrekc 
kringe
2019-08-25 21:17
Alright im gonna leave a few things clear for the leftist european RETARDS saying dumb shit. Argentina has a HUGE government , with HUGE expenditure that we obviously can't afford , the way Macri decided to pay for this huge government was to go into debt taking a huge loan from the IMF since the private market denied him credit , the previous government was far left and left this unsustainable huge governement , there's a government something EVERYWHERE in Argentina , public health , public college , public school , subsidies , welfare state everywhere , super high taxes , almost 70.000 regulations and a bunch of "free" stuff given by the government which the population wants. Macri kept almost all of it , made a cut on pensions making the new retirement age 65 for males , and cut most subsidies for electricity and gas. Everything else has been just center-left policy which this country can't afford , but that's what Argentinians want. No politician will come and shrink government (almost 4M public employees , we should have less than 1.5M) no politician will cut that expenditure to lower taxes , eliminate taxes and regulations , sign free trade deals, because ARGENTINIANS DONT WANT THAT , Argentinians think that it is good that you can be working illegally never assigning any of your salary to your pension , then retire , then still get pension money every month from the government , that's why we have it...because Argentinians want that. This country is doomed to fail miserably , it wont ever be like Venezuela , it'd probably be more like the poorer parts of Ukraine or Turkey , but it will fail because its people are leftist coward lazy losers with no balls and no common sense , there is no saving and we'll be a better example of leftism failure than Venezuela , hopefully Europe takes note.
2019-08-25 19:48
#60
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Argentina rawe1337 
+1 Sociedad Cómplice
2019-08-25 19:53
This seems to be a very rising trend in the worldwide elections, the fight between far right and far left, there doesn't seem to be a ''middle'' anymore. Sweden recently got a leftist government (not communist but not far away from it either) but the funny thing was that the two parties that ''improved'' the most (got more votes than previous years) was the communist-party AND the far-right-party. People are so obviously completely divided and seperated from eachother nowadays. Brazils election is another example.
2019-08-25 20:42
you've got no clue what you're talking about.
2019-08-25 21:00
I dont think you understood my comment.
2019-08-25 21:10
I understood it perfectly , which is exactly why im telling you , you have absolute 0 clue what you're talking about.
2019-08-25 21:12
I dont believe you.
2019-08-25 21:14
Somehow im not surprised about that.
2019-08-25 21:15
#115
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
I understood what you were trying to say, basically, yes, it is. I think my countryman responded in that way at you because the missconception of Statism and Conservatism. But yeah, im feeling so sad about the amount of european countries that forgot how they were good, now they recur to the populism. From a person who lives in a doomed country, please, stay away from that path. Greetings
2019-08-25 21:55
Thank you, that's all I wanted to hear.
2019-08-25 22:37
#114
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
+1 men
2019-08-25 21:47
this video is seriously misleading, Macri is not a popular president as he is making the rich richer and poor poorer, for example last year he lower the budget for the elderly to pay remedies for industries
2019-08-25 20:57
yes, they should elect kirchner to make the rich and poor poorer heheh
2019-08-25 21:16
everyone is worst off with Macri dumbass....in the previous government it was just the closest people to the government who were better.
2019-08-25 21:17
maybe, to many corrupt officials running the country to the ground, but thats every south american country
2019-08-25 23:50
The corrupt officials are a relevant part , not even close to being the main reason though. The main problem is what i listed in #59 Every single time i see a first worlder hurry up to blame South America's misery on corruption without even mentioning that we've been under leftistm for 70-120 years now i cringed and feel utterly disgusted. You're scum.
2019-08-25 23:55
are you stupid or are you stupid, 120 years ago the soviet union didn't even exist, and they were the first leftist nation, Colombia has never been leftist, Venezuela turned socialist when Chavez became leader, Brasil has never been leftist, same with Peru, and i can keep going but sure leftism has ruined south america cause the CIA didn't try to stop leftism(that was sarcasm). also FYI I'm part Argentine
2019-08-26 00:02
OH MY GOD , WHAT HAVE I JUST READ , i would decimate your retarded cringy arguments but im 50% sure you're baiting , im confused....
2019-08-26 00:03
yea call me bait cause you cant counter my argument, and seeing how you type i can tell your leaning to the right, dont call me cringe when you lean to the right
2019-08-26 00:06
Alright this is too cringy , you're the worst type of leftist , the bourgeois leftist with messiah complex. Being a leftist country isn't about what leader or name your country has , it's about what policies does your country go by , the entire world has lived under leftism for almost all of its history , leftism is big government controling everything , on top of that the vast majority of pre-U.S western societies had a very colectivist culture. ALL of the Latin American countries , specially Mexico and Brasil had extremely leftist and statist beginnings , Mexico still holding on hard to them , Brasil moving away from them. The only countries that were able to move away from leftism before the 1980's were Argentina and Venezuela , which is why Argentina was richer than U.S and almost all of Europe from 1895 to 1930 , going by the policies determined by our 1853 far right libertarian constitution , which was violated in 1930 by our first dictator , then broken and radically changed by Peron in 1945. The moment Argentina and Venezuela started moving towards the populist (leftist) end of policy , their progress started to slow down and their international status started to free fall , Chile was much more miserable and primitive than Venezuela right now during Allende's communism , when Pinochet fully reformed their system , then got out , then during democracy that reformed system was KEPT , they overcame an over 200% GDP Per capita difference in less than 25 years vs Argentina , now leading the South American standar of life. Now Brasil is starting to move towards a more anti-statism culture , which might've taken them a long time , but i guarantee you...Brasil is the real deal , they're no joke , if they truly embrace capitalism and small government with deregulated low taxed economy , they'll blast through U.S economically and who knows where will their military be in 20 years...... Also why would you mention being part Argentinian??? being a leftist just proves that you have absolute 0 clue what goes on in Argentina and proves 100% that you don't give A FUCK , retard.
2019-08-26 00:19
If big government control is leftism, then was Hitler and Mussolini a leftist?????? Also Argentina was never richer then America in its history, especially before the 20th century since practically nobody lived in Argentina before the massive European immigration.
2019-08-26 01:14
"If big government control is leftism, then was Hitler and Mussolini a leftist?????" FINALLY , you're starting to understand , yes they were , the nazis and the communists are not on opposite end of sides , thats like saying that catholics and protestants are on opposite sides because of the 30 years war , they're both within the same side with some differences. The polar opposite of alt leftism (Nazism , Communism , Fascism) is Libertarianism (Anarcho-Capitalism to be more accurate) , the polar opposite of Catholicism and Protestants is Atheism. "Argentina was never richer then America in its history" 1) U.S* , America is a continent , not your country , your country is a country IN AMERICA. 2) i.imgur.com/6mj9l5I.png "nobody lived in Argentina before the massive European immigration" Indeed , and the massive European immigration waves started in the 1870's , by 1895 over a million Europeans left home to come here.
2019-08-26 01:26
1) you don’t have to be annoying and nitpick that calling USA America is wrong, you know what I mean 2) when I mean nobody I didn’t mean literally nobody I meant is as comparison to the USA because more than 50 million people lived in the USA and like a million or two lives in Argentina 3) you never denied anything I’ve said and I remember why I stopped going on threads in this site cause it’s filled with prickly people like you who wake up everyday just to go on this website and start arguments for some reason that’s anything but counter strike
2019-08-26 02:38
1) You just have to care. 2) 5 million people in 1895 , 8.1 million in 1914. 3) I proved you were massively wrong with what keeps S.A down , you're not only wrong about leftism , but you're also wrong about the corruption levels , Chile is much less corrupt than the U.S. Leftism is whats destroying Argentina and is what is stagnating your country and many other first world countries , your advantage is that you didn't realize it because you can still afford it... You are free to quit HLTV at any moment , nobody is forcing you to go into the off topic section of the forums , HLTV doesnt care if you stop commenting , people who dont use HLTV also don't care , and you'll be happier being lied to in a leftist ecochamber , so what are you still doing here?.
2019-08-26 02:56
thank you for your blessing of making sure i never come back, have a nice day :)
2019-08-26 03:02
Np baby , have a good one in r/socialism
2019-08-26 03:06
#84
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Sweden yayer 
retarded president with retarded population
2019-08-25 21:03
#104
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Argentina Konigmdq 
only a 80% of population
2019-08-25 21:29
so sad to see what argentina once was and what they are now. a country rich as usa at that time, and now is not even the richer in LATAM anymore
2019-08-25 21:18
also, macri is a pussy. he had a chance to make the real changes and didn't
2019-08-25 21:19
#117
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
thats why some people call him "macri gato" lul
2019-08-25 21:57
#106
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Argentina Konigmdq 
1st step, October macri win 2nd step espert (liberal) 2023 win 3rd step exterminate leftists and socialists
2019-08-25 21:31
#107
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Argentina Konigmdq 
imagine bolsonaro & espert omg
2019-08-25 21:32
aksjdkajdksa pero como vas a votar a espert rico libertonto
2019-08-25 21:55
#119
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Argentina p1nguinit0 
I imagine you voted biondini ?)
2019-08-25 21:59
ofc !!!
2019-08-25 23:11
#121
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Argentina Konigmdq 
"belgium"
2019-08-25 22:19
i feel bad for arg ppl , husband of my friend is from arg and his salary was like more than 10k in argentina but now where he lives he struggles to get more than 2k ... now a leftist president , arg ppl are going to be poor af
2019-08-25 21:42
#118
Luken | 
Argentina urfoloq 
13yr old kids everywhere
2019-08-25 21:58
fr, to many ignorant
2019-08-25 23:56
Well , considering Peronists have the intelligence of a 5 year old kid with Down Syndrome , i seriously wouldn't go around throwing "13yr olds xdxdxdx" as a strawman.
2019-08-26 02:59
#128
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Brazil ;---) 
macri can still win? i hope so. it would be better for SA and argentina.
2019-08-25 23:51
lul
2019-08-26 01:22
#146
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
When you see people celebrate the political charge (deputy or something) election of a 18 years old girl with obviously zero study or knowledge of what economics or politics even are just because she's on the side you support, you know this country's people are retarded.
2019-08-26 03:15
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