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Why is Starladder pushing Vitality so much?
chrisJ | 
Netherlands MrStealYourMom 
I completely hate the ELO system they pretend they use. It's clear they just want Vitality into the major and they are so bad that they need help. Now you may wonder why Vitality would be so important for them, and the answer is the same reason as why all the twitch streamers get DMCA'd. Starladder is viewership horny. Vitality has lots of fans and having Vitality for into the tournament means they will get more viewers. Anyway, Vitality sucks so hard that they lose to tier 3 russian teams, so they make the draws so that Vitality gets to play the worst team in the tournament. Unlucky for them, Grayhound is playing great so Vitality will go 2-3.
2019-08-25 22:38
The elo system is terrible. I agree with having a seeding for the first round, but beyond that all should be random
2019-08-25 22:39
#17
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Poland Julka 
+1
2019-08-25 23:19
#22
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India Noobdian1 
Then coL will 3-0 again
2019-08-26 13:39
#23
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Netherlands staticNL 
why?
2019-08-26 13:39
#27
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Finland Vkims 
Random? Pls no
2019-08-26 13:43
naah, maybe random outside of no duplicate matches, like vitality and syman shouldnt play each other again
2019-08-26 13:57
uninstall hltv ty
2019-08-26 14:13
#80
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Russia Ypp1 
+1
2019-08-26 14:41
That is when you get bullshit like Gambit vs IMT in finals with IMT not facing a single top 10 team all major.
2019-08-26 15:08
+1
2019-08-26 16:40
+1
2019-08-28 08:12
#2
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
Agreed goat s1mple > OverratedWOo
2019-08-25 22:39
ZyCrowdOo
2019-08-25 22:42
#6
s1mple | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
+1
2019-08-25 22:43
#19
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Canada ActioN_ 
+1 SamIk
2019-08-25 23:22
#82
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Russia Ypp1 
+1 at least now people understand. s1mple`s major MVP waiting room)
2019-08-26 14:42
#97
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-08-26 15:26
+1
2019-08-28 08:12
#3
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Czech Republic Noxar 
+1 This Seeding system is bullshit, pretty much guarantees Shit vs. Good team matchups. Even brackets would be better.
2019-08-25 22:40
Yes , Liquid will face the worst team in the next stage , that is such bullshit , you're basically putting the lower ranked teams in a big disadvantage , fuck this system man , it's so unfair.
2019-08-26 13:42
Why is it unfair? We're supposed to have the best teams in playoffs.
2019-08-26 14:11
So do you think Liquid should face against the 2nd best team and the 2 worst face off against each other?
2019-08-26 15:01
Most sports have seeding systems,
2019-08-28 07:32
that way best team move up to play off and strongest match ups are there.. who want to see AST vs LIQ and REN vs SYMAN in 1st round of swiss..
2019-08-26 14:39
Chill, they still won’t get to playoff
2019-08-25 22:41
#7
s1mple | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
+1
2019-08-25 22:44
#8
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Norway CheNaLii 
I like the seeding system for the first matchup, but after that it should be random. Its just pushing good vs bad team all the time, and therefore its so much easier for higher rated teams to go through. And at the same time its so hard to be an up and coming team when you have to face the top 3 teams and crash out, even if you are better than most of the other teams
2019-08-25 22:44
Seeding system works best. The best teams EARN their way through. While the best overall teams throughout the year are rewarded based on rank. Ranks are EARNED, based on beating top teams. de, Syman, Forze should all get rank bumps after this tournament is over, and if they maintain it, they will be rewarded with higher seeding in tournaments to come. Almost all professional sports go off seeding for a reason.
2019-08-25 22:48
+1
2019-08-26 13:41
#68
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Denmark DanishDelight 
+1
2019-08-26 14:29
+1
2019-08-28 08:15
#10
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Italy bennyhana 
While what you be saying may be true about a bad seeding system, however The Vitality game today had less viewers than the two no name team match... It seems people just click on the first stream and never bother closing out or switching to the B stream. So your theory about more viewers is clearly not backed by evidence
2019-08-25 22:52
A stream for alphas, B stream is for betas
2019-08-26 13:43
escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/starladder.. The top 5 watched games: 1. G2 vs Mouz 2. Vitality vs Syman 3. Vitality vs Grayhound 4. G2 vs Tyloo 5. HR vs Furia G2 and Vitality matches are the most popular matches.
2019-08-26 20:39
#101
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Italy bennyhana 
kek when i posted that comment those games hadnt even happened yet retard
2019-08-27 00:41
People have been cyring without seeding that it's so random and some teams get just an easy pass and others get fucked. So they started to seed the teams. Now you guys are complaining again wtf. Seeding is a good thing
2019-08-25 22:53
#14
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North America noahB_ 
You can never win with a brain dead community unfortunately.
2019-08-25 23:04
lmao ye its like WE NEED NEW MAPS Vertigo comes out SO SHIT OMFG just literally 0 brain
2019-08-25 23:17
#29
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France ripmypickems 
xaxaxaxaxa yeah +1
2019-08-26 13:47
#30
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France ripmypickems 
cs community lmao))
2019-08-26 13:47
seeding system gives the highest chance of the highest ranked teams making it far. but is it the most entertaining? best system imo is one where teams get to pick which team they want to play in the first round, based on for example their performance in previous starladder events or hltv ranking then you get a really entertaining setup where the best teams pick who they think is the weakest opponent for them to play against, instead of 100% sure playing vs the opponent with the lowest ranking, and its hilarious when it backfires after 1st round, swiss system and you cant deny that vitality got an easy pass because of the seeding system, whereas they might not get that with random matchups there are pros and cons to all systems
2019-08-26 13:50
I mean there's always an upset happening even with the seeding system lol
2019-08-26 14:13
i dont really care about upsets, i want fair system where every team has to fight equally hard to win current major system where you only see the best teams in the final rounds is such a waste we are watching low tier teams competing in minor quilifiers, minors, major qualifers you can skip all of it and only watch the legends stage would be much more fun if the best teams had to actually beat the tier 2 and 3 teams every major cycle to get to the majors
2019-08-26 14:15
but all teams do have a fair chance of qualifying lol. If a team loses 3 games then they just dont deserve the spot
2019-08-26 14:16
many teams dont have to qualify, thats the problem we should be seeing certain legends stage teams in this current pool, if vitality are #2 hltv and having problems
2019-08-26 14:18
so you want no invites in the challenger stage?
2019-08-26 14:20
no invites at any stage, just a big bracket with the 64 or 128 best teams in the world, with groups with swiss system or GSL system this whole thing has so many layers that are only designed to make sure that the fanboys are guaranteed to be able to wank to their favourite player in the RO16 or RO8 or whatever
2019-08-26 14:22
lmao thats so stupid, imagine teams like g2 north mouse and vitality meet themselfs in first round and 2 of those teams would have no more chance of qualifying while they are better than 99% of other teams. First rounds dont have lower bracket
2019-08-26 14:23
there would be no such thing as qualifying qwithin the tournament how teams should qualify to be one of the best 64 or 128 is another interesting discussion. its a complex issue because there are multiple regions and it hard for lower ranked teams to afford to travel to international tournaments so you need to base their ranking on their regional performance anyway, if G2 and North meet in the first round, then we get that match in the first round. as long as its a BO3, or its swiss or GSL system where teams arent out after 1 loss, why is it worse to have 2 high ranked teams play each other early? the better team will still win, it wont change the outcome of the tournament.
2019-08-26 14:26
#84
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Denmark MeToxi 
Because its not only about the best team winning the tournament Its about the 2nd best team getting runner-up, third and fourth best team getting shared 3-4th place and so on.
2019-08-26 14:44
and why is the seeding system deciding who is the best, instead of every team getting a chance to prove themselves
2019-08-26 14:50
with less stages and less invites, you can be more sure that the best teams right now will make it to the next round, instead of washed up teams still coasting from results they got 6-24 months ago
2019-08-26 14:51
and then we havent even mentioned the roster change issue
2019-08-26 14:51
but youre right, it is about the money
2019-08-26 14:53
single elim BO1 brackets are always a bad idea
2019-08-26 14:29
also it is the most entertaining one because if you gonna have 1 bracket with astralis liquid and 2 other good teams and other bracket with full of underdogs then the major final would be boring
2019-08-26 14:26
well yes teams would need to be distributed across groups. they could have some knife rounds to decide seeding or whatever. make it fun and make it not rigged. then its all fine by me.
2019-08-26 14:27
having best 8 teams in the playoffs is the most competitive system lol
2019-08-26 14:29
they never have to try to get there, if you go to RO4 you retain your spot with playing 1 game if you lose you move down 1 layer in the tournament it takes years for washed up teams to be pushed out, like nip or fnatic or vp its the most rigged least competitive system imaginable
2019-08-26 14:30
imagine if those top8 teams had to fucking grind out games to get to that point, it would be a much bigger achievement to win a major instead of it being a cakewalk for the #1 team
2019-08-26 14:31
Didn't look too easy for vitality they might even lose against grayhound
2019-08-26 14:34
that speaks for my case, that all top8 teams whould be in this round so that teams like grayhound get a fair chance to beat them
2019-08-26 14:35
team like CR4ZY did grind out to get to legends stage
2019-08-26 14:35
yes they did, but the top teams didnt, and thats unfair
2019-08-26 14:35
but all the teams had to go through qualifiers to even get to challengers stage noone was invited directly to challenger stage
2019-08-26 14:41
team like crazy has to first qualify for the minor, to which teams like mouse are invited, a team like vitality doesnt even have to go to the minor, and even better teams are inserted at the end stages of the major
2019-08-26 14:48
its super duper rigged
2019-08-26 14:48
the current system doesnt put the teams that are top16 RIGHT NOW in the RO16, it puts 8 teams who were on average rank 16 to rank 9 in their rigged system over the past years in the RO16 and only 8 teams who are sure to be on point RIGHT NOW
2019-08-26 14:34
i think it would be fair for the CIS teams at this stage to play qualifiers against Faze, Liquid, Navi, if they can play against vitality as well
2019-08-26 14:20
it's flaw of ELO system, last time it was the same with fnatic and they still fucked up favourite team gets weaker teams all the way, system is flawed in their favor ignoring current form
2019-08-25 22:53
if all teams are 2-2 the next matchs need to be ramdonly I agree too
2019-08-25 22:54
Might be the case, but Syman and DreamEaters are playing really good
2019-08-25 23:13
Did you only just discover seeding is a thing?
2019-08-25 23:21
I know seeding is a thing, but Vitality lost to the worst team in the major, yet their elo hasnt changed anything at all since they still get to play the lowest elo team.
2019-08-26 13:35
#21
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Sweden Trkmag 
Having seeding is good, but imo you should gain more points for winning/lose more from losing compared to now
2019-08-26 13:37
you obviously have no clue of what the Swiss format system really is, do you??
2019-08-26 13:45
the first round seeding was pretty rigged, so that works through in the later rounds of the tournament
2019-08-26 13:50
i repeat, you obviously have actually like 0% knowledge of the Swiss system.
2019-08-26 13:58
please explain how the first round was seeded and how this didnt massively favor vitality on paper also im not OP
2019-08-26 13:59
not just for vitality but for every top team. Swiss works as follows on ranking the highest ranking in the pool will play against the lowest ranking in the pool the second highest ranking in the pool will play the second lowest ranking in the pool so, if you have 16 teams like this challenger stage its gonna be 1-16 2-15 3-14 4-13 5-12 6-11 7-10 8-9 they do this cause they are most likely hoping for upsets in the (1-16) and (2-15) games. if the worse team on ranking loses its first game, they will play against the highest ranked loser of that first round and so on trough to the end. do not tell me thats unfair for the lower teams and to easy for the highest teams. i know that, but i cannot change it either
2019-08-26 14:04
how do they decide which team has which rank before the tournament? hltv ranking? their achievement in previous tournament? it could be changed, but the fact is that a system in which the most popular highest ranked teams have the highest chance to win is the most profitable for the tourney organizer
2019-08-26 14:06
Every team participating gives its own idea of the ranking of the other teams, and the final ranking is the average ranking given by all the participants
2019-08-26 14:09
then shouldnt all the low rank teams rank each other highest so that they get easier opponents?
2019-08-26 14:10
Could be a possibility, if they group up to agree and put each other at the top of the ranking, they will indeed improve each other's ranking Maybe it actually happened to some extent, since Complexity or even Avangar were way too high in the initial ranking imo But I don't think that they would dare to rig the ranking
2019-08-26 14:15
whats the punishment for rigging it? ill guess, its nothing
2019-08-26 14:17
Probably nothing ¯\_(°/°)_/¯
2019-08-26 14:19
you could game theory the shit out of that system lol
2019-08-26 14:11
Every team participating gives its own idea of the ranking of the other teams, and the final ranking is the average ranking given by all the participants in combination with the hltv ranking (which is made out of points that teams earn for their achievements and performance at earlier tournaments) i thought
2019-08-26 14:12
Oh maybe there's a combination indeed, I didn't know about that
2019-08-26 14:18
#33
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World Notb8ing 
actually worst elo teams in this last round are still syman and Dreameaters but ofc vitality already play them and lost :D, just lucky for them there was no better teams left honestly as I think grayhound are straight trash who only got through because playing low opponents themselves as not one of the lowest seeds.
2019-08-26 13:51
#34
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Armenia gr1nch 
seeding is ok but vitality suxs feelsbad for syman also
2019-08-26 13:57
So you think that having Faze vs Mousesports match's loser out of the major cycle like what happened in London is a good thing ?
2019-08-26 14:07
as long as its BO3 yes
2019-08-26 14:12
Wtf is ELO system?
2019-08-26 14:07
#43
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Netherlands Son_of_chrisj 
Or they are just bad so they have to face the teams who keep losing, you think starladder has anything to do with the matchups after day 1?
2019-08-26 14:10
#65
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France bjjthibz 
Vitality is the best team in the world, along with G2. Stop telling lies.
2019-08-26 14:28
i fear that you fell on your head to hard man :(
2019-08-26 14:33
#73
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France bjjthibz 
No, sir. I'm just french :D
2019-08-26 14:34
sir........have to say that the french are very polite in most situations
2019-08-26 14:35
#95
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Denmark Nikolaim88 
Then you haven't met 95% of the french people.
2019-08-26 15:09
or its just you
2019-08-26 15:09
#83
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Finland Jodecast 
Kids crying over something that they seem to have idea about The system is good as it is
2019-08-26 14:42
#92
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Denmark EyesWallow 
relax, gayhounds can still beat vitality, as long as zywoo is underpreforming
2019-08-26 14:58
#99
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United States Envsion 
I'm actually hoping for grayhound to somehow pull out a win to knock vitality down a peg. Also that would be an easy 0-3 pick for challengers stage. 😂
2019-08-26 16:42
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