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"CIS region sucks" - But does it?
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah, the CIS quals looked awful The CIS teams vs other CIS teams look horrible But they play a kind of CS that most EU and NA teams aren't familiar with and therefore got issues anti-strat. Because no matter results of tomorrow, the Legends stage of StarLadder Berlin Major will consist of 3 CIS teams. Just take that into consideration regarding the other teams playing in the Legends stage: EU: 8-9 (Depending on Vitality vs Grayhound) NA: 2 SA: 1 OC/AS (I count as one region): 1 Sure, CIS will most likely not win StarLadder Berlin, but they sure made an impact of the whole scene. Most teams are able to do an upset on BO!. But to have 4 CIS teams in 2-2 in Challenger stage is not just upsetting in BO1's. They were the lowest ranked and therefore had the toughest way through, and yet they will have 2 more teams in the Legends stage. AVANGAR: Won against CoL, Lost 19-17 OT in BO1 against Mousesport, won 16-8 to HR BO1, Got smashed against a reborne/awoken NRG ForZe: Consistantly making upsets in qualifiers but still never attended the big scene. They were probably the favorit CIS team to go through and still only won BO1 against Furia (not bad) and Grayhound (who also play in 2-2 bracket tomorrow) Syman: Did upset (SMASH) Vitality in BO1, was 1 round away from OT against North (who went 3-0, needed two hero rounds from V4lde, and won 3 times on train to gain 3-0), Only letting Furia get 16 rounds over two maps in a BO3 (16-7 and 16-9), They have won on 3 different maps throughout the event so far. DreamEaters: Have won against the two top ranked teams in this stage (NRG and Vitality) on two different maps and played a nice BO3 against Cr4zy. Even though the score was convincingly for Cr4zy, the play wasn't!
2019-08-25 23:50
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Poland henlo 
tldr yes
2019-08-25 23:52
tldr no
2019-08-25 23:56
#105
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Bulgaria Amerikana 
tldr tldr
2019-08-26 13:43
#2
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
Watching CIS teams play is entertaining they are unpredictable.
2019-08-25 23:52
especially when they rekt furia
2019-08-25 23:56
#5
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
OK no Scene guy.
2019-08-25 23:57
rich country doesn't need cs scene
2019-08-25 23:59
You have solek already everything else don't needed men))
2019-08-26 01:03
+1 mens)))
2019-08-26 09:04
#83
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Sweden fofner 
Never forget -1 kill truly a god of the game
2019-08-26 11:35
#6
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
yeah forze vs. G2 on dust was insane they just rushed A long through the smokes and rekt all of G2 in OT ahaha
2019-08-25 23:58
#11
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Sweden Lagge15 
Oh shit, I forgot to mention that OT!
2019-08-26 00:03
#15
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
yeah I really wanted forze to win, too bad sexpower started missing in ot, but almazer was insane
2019-08-26 00:06
#24
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Sweden Lagge15 
That has been an issue for them on all maps (except Nuke against Furia) one or two players have dropped off. Which also mean they have more to get out of this team!
2019-08-26 00:14
#56
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
yemen(((
2019-08-26 00:38
#10
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Sweden Lagge15 
I have followed DreamEaters over the summer and I really enjoy them. Their issue before the major (and mainly in the qualifiers) have been their mentality. Too many times have they dominated their way to 14 rounds and then choked. But here in the Major they seem focused on a totally different way. Weird though that Valve let allegated throwers (iBP style) Syman play this event while Brax and Steel got life time bans. ForZe has looked awesome for months. This event is probably their weakest CS since spring time!
2019-08-26 00:02
IBP guys only got banned when it was proven that they threw for skins, if the Syman thing is inly allegations, then they won't get banned. That said, I haven't heard of these allegations before, so I may be misunderstanding the situation
2019-08-26 17:50
#129
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Sweden Lagge15 
google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url.. I'm at work so can't find better sources
2019-08-26 18:03
#8
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
RUSKI VPERED BLYAD SOSAT other regions are not ready for the CIS insanity 😎😎😎
2019-08-26 00:01
I think u big boy According to the point
2019-08-26 00:02
The only reason they'll advance is because they play each other.
2019-08-26 00:04
#17
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Sweden Lagge15 
For Avangar they were expected to advance For ForZe they were expected to advance For DreamEaters they have beaten the top 2 ranked team going into Challanger stage and were only a few hero runs away from going 3-1. For Syman SMASHED Vitality, Nearly won against North... it isn't because they meet eachother, they meet echother because they all 4 deserve to play Legends stage. Put any of the 4 teams against Grayhound and let one of ForZe or Avangar play against Vitality and it might be 3 CIS team go through to Legends stage. Did you read my post? Have you watched any matches?
2019-08-26 00:08
Avangar was expected to advance? I don't agree. I felt like Avangar was in a downward spiral with AdreN seemingly not doing much for them and SANJI not fragging much either. I'm happily surprised that they are doing well but I saw nothing to indicate it beforehand.
2019-08-26 00:12
#26
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Sweden Lagge15 
True, AVANGAR was one of 3-4 who were "maybe" same as ForZe. But since HR and CoL didn't live up to their potential they seem good enough for Legends.
2019-08-26 00:15
Expected by who? No one picked them, except for maybe forze. And the fact that someone "expected" them to win doesn't make them strong teams. Bo1 are known to be random and they've lost all of the bo3 except for one vs Furia. With different pairing not a single one of them would advance.
2019-08-26 00:35
#58
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Sweden Lagge15 
"they've lost all of the bo3 except for one vs Furia" Valid point. ForZe lost 2-0 against G2 (to me the strongest team in Challenger stage hindsight), but it was after 1 long OT and one game that G2 nearly choked on. PS: This was the 3rd BO3 this year between the teams and all 3 have been close and ForZe won the last one. AVANGAR got hammered by NRG. Hard to draw any conclusions from that match since NRG looked their best in a very long time! DreamEaters lost 2-1 against Cr4zy where the maps were much more close than the result tell. It took a lot of hero plays from all players on the servers to win rounds. It was one of the best matches of the Challengers stage. So yeah, they all lost their BO3's except for Syman who played Furia (who are easily anti-stratted). But they lost to really good teams in close matches (Except for Avangar who got hammered). That also means that all teams except Syman were on 2-1 plays and played other teams that had 2-1!
2019-08-26 00:45
The fact that they were on 2-1 doesn't matter. Bo1 are meaningless. Look at the previous Major. Tyloo started with 2-0 after destroying Vitality and C9 (16-8 and 16-3). Finished with 2-3 after losing all bo3. ViCi started with 2-1 winning 16-9 against Fnatic, who were the highest rank team at the event and expected to go 3-0. Finished with 2-3 after losing all bo3. Winstrike started with 2-1. Finished with 2-3 after losing all bo3. Bo3 are the only thing that truly matters. And they got to play bo3 against each other, so yeah they gonna go through, but that's just luck.
2019-08-26 00:58
#72
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Sweden Lagge15 
Avangar have won on two different maps and lost one BO1 on OT against one of the teams going 3-0 DreamEaters have won on 2 different maps (against the top 2 teams) and lost closely in the 2-1 match. ForZe won convincingly on 2 maps, been close against 2 top tier teams on two other maps and played closely on another map. I exclude Syman from this since I don't think they are as good as the other 3 teams. The issue with BO1 isn't fluke or not. It is about limited map pools, limited anti-strats/strats and limited demo's. This isn't the case in this scenario. AVANGAR has been among top tier teams for a while, ForZe have played against top tier teams all summer (and some during the spring as well) and DreamEaters have left vods and demo's for people all summer. And if it is luck then how come they are all in 2-2 bracket? IT doesn't make any sense. Or do you say all teams that already got eliminated got screwed because of the BO1's?
2019-08-26 01:09
ViCi have won on two different maps (16-9 and 16-6) and only lost to NRG who went 3-0. Tyloo have won on two different maps (16-8 and 16-3) and didn't lose at all. Winstrike won twice on the same map (16-11 and 16-6) and only lost to NRG who went 3-0. Btw, it was such a lucky run for NRG: ViCi - Winstrike - BO3 vs Tyloo. Went 3-0 then took the last place at the legends stage. Issue with BO1 is limited map pool? Really? I think you got it backwards. BO5 is where the map pool is tested. In BO1 you get to remove 3 maps you're bad at (assuming some of them are not already removed by your opponent). You probably not gonna play on your #1 map, but if you have at least 4 maps in your pool, you'll be fine. And I doubt that there's a single pro-team that can play only 3 maps. Think about it. Vitality has lost BO1 both to Syman and Dream Eaters. Do you actually believe that these 2 teams are stronger than Vitality? Yes, I do think that some teams got screwed. If HR had to play BO3 vs Syman instead of Vitality, I think result would be different. As for today's pairing, I think Avangar and forze would lose to Vitality and Syman and Dream Eaters would lose to Grayhound.
2019-08-26 11:29
#84
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Sweden Lagge15 
"Issue with BO1 is limited map pool? Really? I think you got it backwards. BO5 is where the map pool is tested. In BO1 you get to remove 3 maps you're bad at (assuming some of them are not already removed by your opponent). You probably not gonna play on your #1 map, but if you have at least 4 maps in your pool, you'll be fine. And I doubt that there's a single pro-team that can play only 3 maps." - That's exactly what I mean. BO1 means that you can more easily win with a limited map pool, but in a BO3 that is much harder and in a BO5 it is nearly impossible to win with a limited map pool. "Do you actually believe that these 2 teams are stronger than Vitality?" Have I said that? I just think the CIS teams have played better than most teams and that Vitality only showed up after about 10 rounds into BO3. And Vitality being the team losing BO1s isn't a chocker since they needed the player break the most. Sure, against Syman most teams would win. They are the fluke team this stage, not ForZe or DreamEaters. I think HR would lose to 3 out of the 4 CIS teams right now. You actually think DreamEaters would lose a BO3 against Grayhound? Have you seen Grayhound this year? It is amazing they beat Chiefs and Order to get to this stage.
2019-08-26 11:37
I guess we'll agree to disagree. I think that BO1 don't mean anything and results of the previous Major's qualifier back it up. Last Major: 3 weak teams go 2-1/2-0 then lose all BO3's. 3 other team go 1-2 then win all of their BO3's. This Major: 3 cis teams go 2-1 then lose BO3's. DreamEaters lost two BO3 in a row against Syman. Grayhound had a decent performance in Sydney at least. Maybe I'm wrong. Since they didn't get to play each other we'll never know. Anyway, the Legends stage will have a final word. We'll see how well Avangar and forze perform there (or whoever advances).
2019-08-26 12:14
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Sweden Lagge15 
DreamEaters went into this event being known to choke. Syman Gaming matches was a big tell of that. they were overall better but choked. This event they have looked much more confident to close down matches. yeah, I guess they go 1-3 or 2-3 no matter who goes through. Maybe Syman would go 0-3 if they win against AVANGAR which I doubt they will.
2019-08-26 12:15
#75
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Sweden Lagge15 
Another thing: Do you think all 4 teams would lose to Grayhound?
2019-08-26 01:13
+1
2019-08-26 01:04
#13
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Russia Ypp1 
Unexpected from EU guy to deffend CIS teams xD
2019-08-26 00:05
#18
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Sweden Lagge15 
I mainly watch lower tier CS so I am just happy to see players I recognize qualify over the more wellknown/-established players! LOL
2019-08-26 00:09
#21
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Russia Ypp1 
Thats good.
2019-08-26 00:11
#60
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Sweden Lagge15 
Not really. More like a sickness LUL I sit almost all day watching vods and low tier CS to learn strats and info and plays and players
2019-08-26 00:47
Me too bro. I like it
2019-08-26 01:05
#73
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Sweden Lagge15 
I sit almost all day on UCC streams
2019-08-26 01:10
Mother Russia Will Knock Someone Out In Next Stage EZ!
2019-08-26 00:06
#19
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah, I think the winner of ForZe vs DreamEaters will go higher than 0-3 and if AVANGAR beat Syman I don't think any CIS team will go 0-3
2019-08-26 00:10
yes, they always get amazing upsets at majors and then do nothing for the rest of the year, they need to be more consistent
2019-08-26 00:06
#20
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Sweden Lagge15 
Isn't the problem that they never really focus on the big events except local events and Majors? But now DreamEaters, AVANGAR and ForZe have gone to more international events.
2019-08-26 00:11
Also think they just get less invites to tournaments and qualifiers. I also feel the CIS scene has a much smaller amount of tournaments compared to EU, NA or even Asia.
2019-08-26 00:28
#122
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Sweden Lagge15 
Definitely. CIS is lacking HLTV exposure.
2019-08-26 16:11
they probably lose their motivation after big achievements (for their standards) like reaching the major
2019-08-26 00:13
#27
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Sweden Lagge15 
Is that special for CIS teams?
2019-08-26 00:16
never seen an eu or na team having this issue
2019-08-26 00:19
#43
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Sweden Lagge15 
All BR teams until LG formed in 2015 All Swedish teams during the last year North after MSL got benched NA Before the Fluke Major, after the fluke major and until Blastralis Seems like something that happens to most scenes but when you put too many teams into bigger regions (as EU is right now) it is hard to see.
2019-08-26 00:25
> do nothing for the rest of the year Just like other 999 teams from different regions.
2019-08-26 18:00
#133
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah that doesn't seem like a regional thing but like most teams who are between t1 and t3 and go back and forth inbetween
2019-08-26 18:22
Everybody else is just worse
2019-08-26 00:15
#29
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Sweden Lagge15 
"Liquid isn't the best team in the world right now, everyone else is just worse" "Astralis era wasn't that special, everyone else were just worse" "NiP's 87-0 wasn't impressive, all other teams were just bad"
2019-08-26 00:17
This is a completely different scenario than that. These teams in the Main Qualifier which are getting upset are definitely underperforming, and the CIS teams are overperforming.
2019-08-26 00:18
#34
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Sweden Lagge15 
So ForZe Close OT loss on D2 against G2 was because G2 looked bad? G2, who I dislike, have looked like the strongest team so far. Or do you mean NRG who went 3-1 quickly and easily, look bad? Or do you mean #2 team in the world with a player that had 3.1 Rating 2.0 is playing poorly? What do you mean? The only team I would say have been REALLY bad is CompLexity.
2019-08-26 00:21
Yes, I they looked bad in those matches they played against CIS teams.
2019-08-26 00:22
#40
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Sweden Lagge15 
Bad or just surprised? This just means CIS teams worked harder before and during the matches.
2019-08-26 00:23
it does apply to the 87-0 tho, nobody denies that NiP was way ahead of the other teams, but it's also true that the competition wasn't as tough as nowadays
2019-08-26 19:52
i-t's more some good teams like fnatic and stuff miss the major for some shit syman team
2019-08-26 00:16
#31
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Sweden Lagge15 
But as it looks right now we should have Fnatic instead of a shit team like TyLoo, INTZ, CoL, HellRaisers, Furia.... These ones have proved they belong at this stage.
2019-08-26 00:18
fnatic good rn? Are you troll? A big name doesn't require a good line up. They play like shit from the point they kicked golden. Just like NIP, but they managed to go through top8 last time tho
2019-08-26 00:57
I mean atlaest better than syman col intz hellraisers ?!?!
2019-08-26 01:23
they didnt made through eu minor, so they are bad./
2019-08-26 15:32
yh but they are good in comparison to other minors pls understand eu minors >cis na aus
2019-08-26 15:43
you ok? So if they are good , then why they just kicked 2 players?
2019-08-26 18:47
#96
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Russia 1.6 FTW 
Lmaolmaolmao fnatic goodteam mens xaxaxa xddddddď
2019-08-26 12:32
are oyu dioty butch better than some cis and na shits okay bitch rus
2019-08-26 12:52
#99
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Russia 1.6 FTW 
Why so mad its only hltv mens)
2019-08-26 12:55
I'm not mad really just enjoying writing retarded shit with no thoughts you know hahah
2019-08-26 13:03
Men same shit))) but sometimes they ban me for it( for just having fun(
2019-08-26 15:07
NAVI played in the final 3 time Gambit Won the major and 3 time legend CIS will fuck EU or NA Forze Avangar Syman Syman Spirit Gambit yeangsters a lot of team they good You just envy )))
2019-08-26 00:20
#37
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Sweden Lagge15 
I wouldn't go that far, but I would say that the region is more relevant than OC/AS as of now and if you take Liquid out of the mix they would beat NA scene as well. Depending on MIBR they might be better than SA as well.
2019-08-26 00:22
Lost 19-17 OT in BO1 against Mousesport Avangar could win DreamEtaers could win against Cr4zy DREATERS won NRG what are you talking about
2019-08-26 00:22
#38
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Sweden Lagge15 
I talk about results last few days!
2019-08-26 00:23
#39
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World Notb8ing 
it suxs but less than people think, everytime people act like it is sure 0-3 for CIS teams lol, no way they are that bad...
2019-08-26 00:25
#123
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. I agree Syman was a contender for 0-3 but the others weren't
2019-08-26 17:25
#41
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Austria Schwerpunkt 
"CIS region sucks" - But does it? 'Louis Theroux here to find out the answer to this question. I'm here with world class CS:GO expert JAtkinsonGrimshaw to get his perspective on this.' Yes, yes it does.
2019-08-26 00:24
#47
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Sweden Lagge15 
Did you read anything else more than the header?
2019-08-26 00:29
#53
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Austria Schwerpunkt 
What do you think?
2019-08-26 00:37
#61
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Sweden Lagge15 
No! Was a decent joke. Nicely executed but didn't really stick there since you didn't read. Sorry, 3/8
2019-08-26 00:49
#63
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Austria Schwerpunkt 
Since when does a bait get penalised for not reading the content of a thread? The simple fact is that it was 8/8. This bait has been through several iterations, and was meticulously perfected, climbing up the rating of baits until it got to 8/8.
2019-08-26 00:53
my mind is blowing I don;t know what you writing here bad english sorry
2019-08-26 00:25
#44
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Spain akproxx 
i will explain this for 0 iq hltv people there are good cis team like avangar or forze them are teams like dreameaters quantum etc the major are after the players break so the higher teams that have been competing the whole season go to vacations but these tier 2 cis team keep griding and anti strating the higher teams when these team came from vacations they dont have the time to get on form and anti strat these nonamers cuz they need to worry about other higher level teams, that why these cis teams will be shit after the major also this going to end at 2020 major since they are going to be played in mid seasons also the minors close quals should be global like the 3rd play-in 1 team go to the major peer minor and the rest should play mixed
2019-08-26 00:26
#46
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Sweden Lagge15 
Great point. Especially for Vitality and NRG. But shouldn't this mean that the Challenger Stage teams qualifying should have "one up" on the Legends teams who are pre-qualified? Because the same thing happened in Katowice (more or less) and that wasn't the case. This issue won't really be worth speculating about or discussing too deep since this is the Last major that have this issue.
2019-08-26 00:28
#48
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Spain akproxx 
legend system is also broken since csgo top teams change real quick the only legends should be like the 1st and 2nd or maybe max the 3rd and 4th
2019-08-26 00:32
#50
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Sweden Lagge15 
I have some ideas on how to improve that point. But this event we can hardly complain. If Vitality win tomorrow (which they should) 14 out of top 17 teams will be in legends stage. The other two teams will be the two CIS teams winning tomorrow. That was why I wrote this "article"
2019-08-26 00:35
#55
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Spain akproxx 
if vitality avangar and forze make it we good but still suck that some teams are not there because others have easier chances
2019-08-26 00:38
#59
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Sweden Lagge15 
I would hope for ForZe DreamEaters and Vitality, but obviously that can't happen!
2019-08-26 00:46
#49
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North America _ROCKY 
Mens, u right, no doubts that cis scene is underrated just as much as SA and NA scene is overrated! Complexity and furia is just a huge joke up in my face Not even talking about INTZ lul
2019-08-26 00:34
#52
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Sweden Lagge15 
INTZ is a Joke Furia needs to do something quickly (not necessarily a roster change) CoL will most likely end up with at least 3 new players before their next event (unless they got roster locked for ECS or EPL)
2019-08-26 00:36
#54
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Greece NaviGuy 
No. NaVi top1 s1mple top1 😎
2019-08-26 00:38
#62
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Sweden Lagge15 
Na'Vi will most likely be in Champions stage, but farther than Semi is a stretch. With some poor luck they will get a tough draw in the quarters
2019-08-26 00:50
Great analysis, I feel very similar. Syman and Dream Eaters have also surprised with great team work and communication, not just hyper-aggressiveness. I do think part of it is because of teams like Furia, Complexity and HellRaisers having an underwhelming performance, but I wouldn't go as far as to say the player break is at fault and now suddenly most teams have gone completely bad and all this will change when the next majors come and player breaks happen afterwards. CIS teams have been upsetting at Majors before the whole player break thing was even around. I think a big part of their surprising performance at the majors is due to the CIS scene being very underdeveloped, but also not that known to most people following the scene. All the other regions have some sort of circuit (through EPL, ECS or others, these leagues are followed by most CS fans). There's so much undiscovered talent in that region, it's good we get to see it at the majors, I just hope the tournament landscape changes at some point so we see those teams more often. Of course what might happen is that they become too predictable and reach their ceiling very quickly, which is what I believe happened to Furia and is the reason why that team fell off they way it did.
2019-08-26 00:38
#113
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Sweden Lagge15 
Player break would only explain some teams and some match-ups. It wouldn't go for Furia since they haven't had a player break, but still had a quite relaxed schedule. I agree with the undiscovered talent. Just see how long time some of the Syman players have played and still haven't become famous outside of the CIS scene. Plus you can see some low tier teams doing upsets in Online qualifiers (Espada for instance) in EU and CIS qualifiers. It isn't just about demo's, it is also about them finding good teams. ForZe and DreamEaters are both team based and not individually based.
2019-08-26 13:57
Chill Dranken
2019-08-26 01:00
#68
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Germany Roflcopter234 
syman and dreameaters are just garbage.gonna loose against t3 teams after the major again..
2019-08-26 01:04
#71
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Brazil JgzMcz 
Man that just not make sense, is not about CIS is about the new teams coming out in all scene, dream eatrs is one of that teams who play a realy good cs go as a team, always flashing before pick, always avoiding easy mistakes that alot of great teams do, and u know what? Nothing new in what they are doing, they are just doing as it is supose to do, take furia as exemple, they tried to do something new and play agressive, that was good for what? 3 or 4 months?
2019-08-26 01:09
#74
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Sweden Lagge15 
Extremely good point. I also think it could be because people underestimate the teams and therefore doesn't check the demo's. When people picked DE as 0-3 I nearly laughed. The only CIS team I thought was able to go 0-3 was Syman.
2019-08-26 01:13
#77
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Russia Svirv 
I think the lack of LANs, relevant demos and vetoes history play a big factor. Like, if the exact same lineups of Syman and Furia played but with Syman LANning for the past 3 months and Furia being an "unknown" Americas Minor team, the result may very well have been the opposite. Overall you make good points across the thread, ty
2019-08-26 01:49
#78
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Sweden Lagge15 
thanks. But when it comes to Demo's DreamEaters, AVANGAR and ForZe should have left enough Demo's for big teams to make correct analysis. But sure, Vitality have struggled for a while with heavy schedule and finally got a holliday. So them losing two BO1s isn't surprising. All teams who played the Minor have performed well except for INTZ. Perhaps that's a better analysis of why the teams work out? One team (forgot which one) said they had over 6 weeks of bootcamping. This is unpresedented.
2019-08-26 01:59
#79
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Russia Svirv 
Very true, big teams are out of form in comparison. I assumed they are wise enough to plan their preparation so that form is still decent for the major, just a bit worse in comparison - but I got no info. Form is very important though, agree! To me it sounds like a knowledge/preparation thing again, too: imagine what you could do over a 6-week-bootcamp, under a radar. While big teams come in to rely on mostly well known system (well known to opponents). Another team of out Minors who disappointed was Furia (did they get holiday after??)
2019-08-26 02:27
#86
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Sweden Lagge15 
Form is important and that's why they moved the majors to fixed dates in the future so it would be easier to plan for the teams. But if it is knowledge and preparation (what I would call anti-strat and analysis) DreamEaters have played a lot of online games instead of going on a holiday break. Avangar should be about as well-known as the EU teams going into this stage, ForZe have played G2 and other big teams prior to the Major, so should be a lot of demo's of them out there. This is not an excuse when it comes to those 3 teams. Only Syman can have remained under the radar. But they had a quite extensive run in the Minor against semi-known teams and should therefore be "analysable" Furia didn't have any events between July 26th and Challanger stage, so I guess they took 2 weeks off before going on a 2 week bootcamp. That's how I would've done it. Perhaps that's why they underperformed? Because either lack of vacation or lack of practice before this stage.
2019-08-26 11:42
They just surprise cuz people are not used to rush b cyka blyat
2019-08-26 11:32
#90
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Sweden Lagge15 
Isn't that one of ENCE's tactics And Furia's
2019-08-26 11:45
Da da it works)
2019-08-26 11:45
#85
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Poland AntOOr 
syman and dreameaters huge surprise, both have 4 very hard matches and rn thay have 2-2
2019-08-26 11:39
#88
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Sweden Lagge15 
I am not too surprised by DE. I thought that they would win 1 Bo1 and 1 Bo3 and going out 2-3. But as of now it looks like they will go out 2-3 with 2 BO3 losses. Not as impressive, even though their playstyle and performance have been more impressive. I think people are still chocked Syman gather rounds with their gamestyle because it just looks weird.
2019-08-26 11:44
#87
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Sweden Trkmag 
CIS top 1
2019-08-26 11:43
#89
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Sweden Lagge15 
Ok Draken
2019-08-26 11:44
#91
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Sweden Trkmag 
draken top 2
2019-08-26 11:45
#95
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Ukraine ksay 
no one plays against them of course upsets will occur
2019-08-26 12:20
#97
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Sweden Lagge15 
ForZe and Avangar have played with most EU and NA teams in qualifiers for past 6 months. DreamEaters have played multiple online leagues/tournaments last couple of months which means lots of demo's. Only Syman could have gone under the radar.
2019-08-26 12:37
#100
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United Kingdom shmilx 
They're really similar to NA, they only really have a few good teams that can really compete, currently Na'Vi and ForZe. Avangar can only really compete with the lowest level of the major right now, and DE/Syman are only in the Major because the region itself is quite shallow in terms of top players.
2019-08-26 13:02
#102
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Sweden Lagge15 
In some way you're correct. But there is a reason why CIS have 3 teams in Legends stage while NA only have 2, SA only have 1 and OC only have 1 while AS have 0. So sure, perhaps you shouldn't compare to EU (11 teams) but they have made a statement here and saying that CIS is contending for 2nd or 3rd best scene!
2019-08-26 13:17
#103
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I generally forget SA teams aren't 'NA' since they play in the NA qual. and such. I would say the Americas and CIS region are generally equal (obviously with the massive outlier of Liquid) both scenes have huge potential, just really shallow top tier talent pools. AS is generally just a trash region in CS with only 2 or 3 REAL players (bntet, xccurate, and a chinese player that escapes my mind) and OC is a one team show and always has been, which is sort of understandable since it's only really AUS/NZ players, I think of it much more like a national scene like the French scene has 2 good teams, OC has 1 good team.
2019-08-26 13:25
#104
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Sweden Lagge15 
I think the difference is that NA (Excluding SA) have raw talent but focus too much on content. It is about how you get the frags, about getting multikills and not about winning rounds or demolishing the oposition. Just look at how Danish teams play. Doesn't matter how good you are, the team and role comes first. NA is missing IGL's SA is missing the winning spirit (a cultural thing, not only Esports thing) - Where they either win or lose, no 2nd places. They play with flair but not in the same sense as NA players. AS is a No-scene, most likely because of the language barriers and competing Esports. OC is quite good actually but since they are so far away, in all aspects, they never get to really play against NA nor EU teams. Just think what Chiefs and Order could do if they actually got real scrimms over and over again!
2019-08-26 13:40
#107
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United Kingdom shmilx 
OC could be a lot better, the distance thing is probably a bigger factor than I'm thinking. SA (excluding BR) is a dead scene, theres like 2 Argentine teams and they're both dogshit BR reminds me of the French scene, enough players to make a god tier team and an underdog team, but they refuse to make them. I think enough spirit is there from most of the players, other than Boltz and maybe a couple MiBR players if Cold was telling the truth in his interviews. AS is a no scene, and always has been iirc in cs. The 2 powerhouses of esports in Asia are SK are China, CS was more or less banned in China until 2016, so the scene didn't evolve very well and SK I have no idea why they're shit, they're good at OW and LoL. Maybe it's a case of only good at one game per genre, cus they're trash at dota as well.
2019-08-26 13:47
#112
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Sweden Lagge15 
Regarding BR scene I disagree. The issue is that they got 1 top team and a lot of contender teams. MIBR is losing their status because of not finding the issues the team obviously have. They try star player after star player when they need some "role player". kNgV might fix this if FalleN can become the "role player" they need. Furia is just easily read right now and out of fear they slowed down their pace and therefore lose more rounds (and maps) than they should. INTZ + LG + other BR teams got the potential but are too much for flair and don't got the professional personalities needed for the international scene.
2019-08-26 13:52
#114
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I think we agree to an extent, MiBR looking for more stars is sort of what I mean when I say they refuse to make one god tier team. They're trying to make a FaZe, and it's just not working but they refuse to recognise it. Furia I can't really say much about them, they have a few potential T1 players but I think there's a genuine argument that they could have just been a fluke, considering their run at the major, but at the same time, you could be right about them too. INTZ, and LG just aren't good enough teams to even consider them imo. INTZ had kNgV- dragging them through the minor and LG did as well as Singularity in the minor... that's just sad.
2019-08-26 13:59
#131
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Sweden Lagge15 
The Faze/MIBR projects are quite funny. People Think liquid is the same way with 5 insanely good aimers/mechanically skilled players. That they have great team work and strats goes over most people's heads, including lots of renowned analysts. Furia reaized they can't continue to use surprise as the main element of their strats since there is no surprise in their rapid plays anymore. So they will have a slump while they try to find a tactical approach that fit the current meta, scene and their team. Perhaps they'll never find it but if they do they'll most likely be top 10 in the world and top1 in BR. The rest of the BR scene is kinda like the T3 NA scene. You can find rough diamonds there but nobody to make them into teams and tier 1 players they might become better. But for me they are quite a big miss match right now. I think it all trickles down from the top team not picking up young talents or non-stars
2019-08-26 18:16
#106
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Finland Vkims 
Every team from EU minor are already in the next stage while CIS teams are not. They do suck
2019-08-26 13:45
#109
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Sweden Lagge15 
How about the teams from American Minor and OC/AS Minor? Out of 16 teams, CIS had 4 teams in this stage and all 4 will go between 3-2 and 2-3.
2019-08-26 13:49
#115
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Finland Vkims 
I think this just shows how superior EU is still against every other region. So that means every other region sucks
2019-08-26 14:09
#116
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Sweden Lagge15 
Sure. It ciyke show how far ahead the top tier is and that EU is in reign among t1.5
2019-08-26 14:19
Yeah, it sucks. EU teams just don' know how CIS teams playing except of Na'Vi.
2019-08-26 13:48
#110
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Sweden Lagge15 
Why not? ForZe and AVANGAR play EU teams often and DreamEaters have left a lot of demo's for the teams to study.
2019-08-26 13:49
I don't feel sorry after the read, I'm proud somebody said a good word or two about CIS teams, usually they're treated as the worst world ever seen and etc..
2019-08-26 13:51
It sometimes seems to me that CIS teams are simply not ready to go into a new stage. They seemed to be afraid to play against the top teams, knowing that they would lose. Maybe because e-sports in CIS is not developing so well?
2019-08-26 14:34
#124
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Sweden Lagge15 
I don't think that is CIS region specific. I would say some teams got the right read and gameplay to take it to the next level but that style doesn't work on the next level I've seen this quite often in classical sports as Football/Soccer as well
2019-08-26 17:27
#118
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World mukas17 
CIS deserves more spots. Esports is huge in that region atm. Dota 2 RU stream has same or more viewers than English. CS isn't as popular there but it's still big. Many new teams being made so it would make sense from a business perspective to have more teams from that region.
2019-08-26 14:37
#125
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Sweden Lagge15 
Could possibly redo the minors and qualifiers according to a coefficient ranking instead of how it is today
2019-08-26 17:28
#127
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Sweden godname 
yuup they are realy bad
2019-08-26 17:51
Honestly glad to see unbiased and mature opinion after all the shit people here talk towards CIS just because they hate everything Russian.
2019-08-26 18:07
#132
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah I am a unicorn here on HLTV
2019-08-26 18:18
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