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Nitr0 as an IGL
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
How are people saying he is the worlds best igl? He doesn't micromanage at all- he leaves it mainly down to teammates initiative. Liquid is based of fundamentals and very strong firepower- not strategy or smarts. You think nitr0 has all of a sudden become a way better igl? Nah. Stewie puts in great backup calls, the star players have woken up, and adren is doing a lot of work, especially in preparing outside of the match, which reduces the stress on calling so much. When a team loses, it's often not the igl's fault. The same can be true when a team is winning. Having said that he is doing a great job for a player who isn't even meant to be an IGL and Liquid are great.
2019-08-26 16:58
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thankas for the reminder
2019-08-26 16:58
#151
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United States karrygan 
Karrigan best igl never forget
2019-08-28 10:43
yes
2019-08-28 11:54
#163
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Denmark bebm 
Lets take a look at finn anderson's track record while IGLing Exhibit A: Astralis core Under Karrigan for 2 years: 0 majors, 3-5 t1 wins (definition of t1 not as clear back then), many major chokes Literally 3 months after karrigan leaves: Ecs win (back when ecs was good), major and kato win shortly after, then the following years, 3 majors in a row, 15 big events Exhibit B: FaZe Teammates: NiKo (1-2), Rain (3-6), Guardian (7-10), Olof (20ish) (used 2017 top 20 since these events were either late 2017 or very early 2018 and it wouldnt make sense to use 2018 top 20 since 2018 top 20 used 10 months of data that wasnt included for these events since they were early in the year) vs NIP (0 top 20 players) 2-3 IEM oakland vs c9 (0 top 20 players) 1-2 eLeague boston major vs fnatic (0 top 20 players) 2-3 IEM Katowice Instead of IGS (NY, Oakland, Katowice, sydney + head start on next IGS (belo) + Major (an era) they got (esl NY, ecs, eleague premier, iem sydney, esl belo)
2019-09-17 17:23
#164
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United States karrygan 
I was just joking but there are two special things about karrigan that no else has been able to do: lead in a second language at tier 1 and bring immediate improvements to any team he joins. No other igl has really had great success internationally like him. Maybe chrisJ but I don’t know how much of a leader he really was in the first place. If I missed someone let me know. He does have a choking problem, I’ll give you that. but his system works best when his teammates respect and trust him. Astralis and faze near the end did not and they didn’t do so well. But if you look at faze when he joined and now on mouz, both teams immediately improved significantly. Why? Because they trusted and respected him. astralis improved after karrigan leaving because they had already wanted to play with gla1ve instead of karrigan and didn’t believe in karrigan anymore. And gla1ve happens to a great leader and astralis is very skilled. Faze basically collapsed after Karrigan leaving and still haven’t found a suitable replacement. Rain even says he regrets kicking him. Similar situations to ence with sunny/aleksi. When Ence didn’t respect aleksib as much, they did worse, kicked him and got someone they wanted to play with. Whether ence will be good or not idk. But aleksib will probably bring great improvements to the team he joins just like karrigan did to faze and mouz. Only gla1ve is better imo. Similar level with aleksib. Nitr0 falls just behind them.
2019-09-18 00:44
#166
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Denmark bebm 
oh yeah no doubt karrigan top 3-top5 all time IGL csgo but not top 1 was my point cuz of the choking
2019-09-18 10:13
+1 karrigan is probably the most overrated pro
2019-09-18 00:50
#2
tarik | 
Morocco Most! 
gla1ve best IGL we all know that
2019-08-26 16:58
How are people saying he is the worlds best igl? He doesn't micromanage at all- he leaves it mainly down to teammates initiative. Astralis is based in strategy or smarts and very strong firepower- not based of fundamentals. You think Gla1ve has all of a sudden become a way better igl? Nah. Xyp9x puts in great backup calls, the star players have woken up, and Zonic is doing a lot of work, especially in preparing outside of the match, which reduces the stress on calling so much. When a team loses, it's often not the igl's fault. The same can be true when a team is winning. Having said that he is doing a great job for a player who isn't even meant to be an IGL and Astralis are great.
2019-08-27 23:19
#91
tarik | 
Morocco Most! 
TL firepower is 2x stronger than liquid, gla1ve have insane midround calls, when u have the best and most experienced players in the world under your lead it would be an insult to micromanage them, what's your point?
2019-08-27 23:28
You actually read my entire comment, and did not realize any similarities with the thread post?
2019-08-27 23:30
#103
tarik | 
Morocco Most! 
wtf axaxaxa I didn't read the post just the title
2019-08-27 23:32
#3
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United States AlphaMaleHere 
Nitro best igl
2019-08-26 16:59
Liquid became top 1 with nitr0 as IGL, nuff said
2019-08-26 16:59
#7
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Liquid choked 6 tournament finals in 2018 with nitr0 as IGL, nuff said
2019-08-26 17:08
#8
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United States Pyreon 
and then he brought it back and made one of the most dominant teams in csgo history? havent lost since summit.
2019-08-26 17:09
#12
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lost a bo3 or bo5 you mean. Also are you seriously thinking that Liquids success is based on world class calling and strategy? I mean it seems a lot like a 'lets just do this' system, i heard elige say 'lets just rush B' once. They rushed B and won the round
2019-08-26 17:11
#44
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United States Hubterbean 
They didn’t choke a final besides New York at some point we have to understand that Astralis was a lot better than everyone else last year
2019-08-27 14:37
#46
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lost then, although when you put all the finals together there is an aspect of choking. After so many finals, you should at least get better against Astralis- they seemed to scared and timid, and the TL in all finals was not the same as the TL in all previous matches. Being a different and notably worse team in finals? Called choking. They admitted they were big chokers and it took Sydney to get over it, so either way they admitted themselves they were chokers
2019-08-27 16:45
Stop trying to degrade team liquids accomplishments, they have already done what no other team has ever done, and it has not ended, they are still in the 5 big events in a row win streak.
2019-08-27 23:21
#78
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
I am not degrading their accomplishments i am giving light on how nitr0 is an overrated IGL. ALso fnatic went on a run like this before and this isn't as dominant as Astralis
2019-08-27 23:22
He is not getting overrated at all, I dont see posts saying he is the best igl. People still consider glaive the best of all time, but if this dominance continues from team liquid, match and even exceed astralis era, then he will be considered the best IGL.
2019-08-27 23:24
#86
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Dominance and success does NOT make an igl the best. It's not about being the best igl of all time. Also: youtube.com/watch?v=YF8KEQ0j5pQ
2019-08-27 23:26
bro are you retarded? You can make the best calls, the best strats, but if you don't win, no one will remember, and no one will give a shit.
2019-08-27 23:27
#94
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
That's not the point: sure, that can be true, but you would still be a good igl. Nitr0 and Liquid should be remembered and nitr0 is doing a great job. But he isn't a master igl
2019-08-27 23:30
yes he is not the master igl right now, but his path is carved, and is not far from the best of all times.
2019-08-27 23:31
He will never be the best igl of all time?
2019-08-27 23:32
Dude, how do you know? Why was pronax considered the best at his time? 3 majors, Why was fallen considered the best IGL at his time? 2 majors and multiple tier 1 event wins, Why is glaive still considered top 1? 3 majors, held his team top 1 for a year. How will Nitr0 be the next? 5 big events in a row, with a potential major coming up, he won't be the best after this major, but he will be up there. After the second major and they continue their dominance, then he will be considered the best. You can only judge them by accomplishments, nothing more, nothing less, we are not in matches, we do not listen to their strats, we don't know how they manage their team, we can ONLY JUDGE THEM, BY THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. I'm done talking to you.
2019-08-27 23:37
You are so delusional if you think that is what it takes to be a legendary igl. Btw no one thinks pronax was the best, and falleN was an insane feather who invented an entire Brazilian scene, which is way he is correctly rated. Sometimes, dominance is down to great calling, often not. Astralis was a lot down to great calling and strategy. Most considered him the best at the end of 2017 anyway
2019-08-27 23:44
Pronax was the best igl for like 2 years, did you just start playing last year?
2019-08-27 23:48
I don’t need to listen to there strats cause I can bloody see them! Your such a pleb. Oh by the way it’s a desperate time for you if you are bringing up the ‘you aren’t I their camp’ argument in this context if all times
2019-08-27 23:47
I'm just gonna bookmark this thread, and I will talk to you again when liquid lift their second major.
2019-08-27 23:48
Sure it won’t change anything lmao. Good job obviously skipping my point and ignoring me by the way!
2019-08-27 23:53
Keep in mind, nitr0 picked up the IGL role not too long ago, He has a lot room for improvements.
2019-08-27 23:56
I never said nitro is better than glaive either, stop acting retarded please. "The guys that are winning all of the tournaments"
2019-08-27 23:29
I never said you said he was, i was arguing against people who say he is. Also you inadvertently implied he could be, since you said he could soon be the greatest ever?
2019-08-27 23:33
don't argue against the hype train. Yes he can be the greatest ever soon. Why are you so confident he wont
2019-08-27 23:39
Because Liquid aren’t gonna magically become an incredibly tactical team and nitro isn’t gonna magically become a god tier igl with magical calling and an unheard of understanding for the game. Don’t deny it
2019-08-27 23:41
They are still tactically sound, they are not just some aimers that win everything. They may not have the best tactics, but they are still winning with them. The aim is insane, and yes "magically" they can even get better than this.
2019-08-27 23:46
Ofc they have very strong fundamentals and reasonable tactics. Brought it by adren. Great prep pre game really lifts the weight off the callers shoulder when you have great Aimers. He isn’t doing enough or taking the weight as a caller to be considered the best. What he is doing for Liquid is just as valuable, but not based on his calling
2019-08-27 23:49
Also the entire point of a hype train is that people overate the hype team?
2019-08-27 23:45
it's a hype team with results.
2019-08-27 23:46
Then don’t call it a hype train because that has different implications
2019-08-27 23:50
the team is not overrated, but nitr0 being the best igl is.
2019-08-27 23:52
So you’re agreeing with me now? Also I agree (although some think they are the best of all time which is stupid) which is why you shouldn’t call it a hype train
2019-08-28 00:09
#41
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Germany 0b1_ 
surely he brought it back and not stewie and/or adren
2019-08-27 12:16
#43
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United States Pyreon 
was a combination but your igl has to be sharp to win 5 events in a row so....
2019-08-27 14:11
#47
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
He doesn't really. Sure, he has to be alright, he has to put out some ok calls (and ofc nitr0 is a better caller then just that) but thats doesn't make you the world best igl.
2019-08-27 16:46
what makes an IGL the greatest, is by leading the greatest team.
2019-08-27 23:21
#79
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Thats total bullshit
2019-08-27 23:23
#80
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
And That's a typical pleb view
2019-08-27 23:23
you are only judged by your accomplishments, if astralis did not have that insane 1 year long era then glaive would not have been the best. It would have been fallen since prior to their era, MIBR/SK/LG was always on top. My point is still valid.
2019-08-27 23:26
Are you forgetting that if Astralis didn’t dominate gla1ve would have been a worse igl? You can’t invent hypothetical universes and then not explain why this happened. He was a great igl. The results weren’t a dice roll
2019-08-27 23:51
He would have been just as great as an igl, but with worse results, but you need results to get noticed.
2019-08-27 23:53
No he wouldn’t? He is rated because he did amazing things as igl. If he didn’t do those things, then bud wouldn’t be the igl we know. You realise you have to be a good igl to be the best right?
2019-08-27 23:58
Liquid was in 6 tournament finals and a consistent number 2 team in the world. I guess that's bad?
2019-08-26 17:11
#13
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
It's not bad (although they weren't actually number 2 for very long in 2018) but by his logic it would mean nitr0 is a bad igl. He isn't, but that just disproves this guys logic.
2019-08-26 17:14
Alright I got you
2019-08-26 17:24
#55
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United States Trump2020KAG 
So reaching 6 finals mean u are bad igl??? Lead his team to 6 championship matches. All 2nd place. 2nd place means terrible by ur logic.
2019-08-27 23:00
#57
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
i really didn't say that, the point was literally that nitr0 isn't a bad igl because of that and that not all failures or successes should be put on the igl. Second place being terrible is the stoicals logic
2019-08-27 23:03
#59
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Dude just look at liquid stats over the past 2 years. Liquid is the best team ever. While Astralis was winning everything liquid was getting 2nd every event With liquid winning everything Astralis is getting 4th 5th 6th etc. Even when liquid wasn’t winning they still got 2nd. The team is unbelievable and nitro is a unbelievable IGL
2019-08-27 23:08
#62
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
That is the most stupid thing i have heard today. Thanks for the laugh. Their strategy isn't even impressive and nitr0 is not in any way a special IGL. Also that is weak logic. Probably because you are a Liquid fan, stop living in your imaginary world
2019-08-27 23:10
#63
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Ur right I’m lying about all the wins and 2nd places liquid got over the past 2 years. Yup yup u busted me lying.
2019-08-27 23:11
#67
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Did i say you were lying? No. Did i say it makes no sense why you are calling them the best team of all time and then somehow blaming it all, including the individual firepower, on nitr0's in-game leading? Yes
2019-08-27 23:14
Na’Vi 2018 ?
2019-08-27 23:17
Astralis is still goat
2019-09-18 10:15
#14
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
Fnatic top 1 with Pronax being igl?????????
2019-08-26 17:14
#5
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Sweden Golden_shower 
the igl gets blamed for a lot of team's losses, especially when they have a poor T side but i agree with liquid it just seems like everyone is peaking at the same time as well
2019-08-26 16:59
#6
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Kazakhstan tomik0 
Now days to be good igl pros need to do their frags that all, if team with 5 potential good riflers it's always success for tir 1 scene, look at astralis liquid, but when u play with handicap igl u never win something like Navi or fnatic, igl can't hide anymore for word igl be weak n calling tactics without any firepower its not 2014 anymore
2019-08-26 17:08
#9
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Liquid have 5 great riflers- don't need such a strong caller Gla1ve however is an amazing IGl and lead a team without even nearly as much firepower to success. But in this era of counter-strike, it is pretty important to carry your own weight
2019-08-26 17:10
"lead a team without even nearly as much firepower to success." are you kidding me...?
2019-08-27 11:54
#35
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Why would i be kidding you?
2019-08-27 12:01
astralis had 4 top10 players last year(2 in top5) + xyp9x as 13. liquid at this point would have probably elige as 3rd, naf and twistzz around 7th, stew around 15th and nitr0 most likely out of top20. also if you look at their median rating from big events: astralis last year 1.162(1.1425 without the best rated player) while liquid this year has 1.152(1.135 without the best rated player). how on earth can you even try to say that gla1ve has less firepower in his team than freaking nitr0? actually if you look at median rating of astralis even this year so far, its 1.142 which is still really high even tho that they are nowhere near what they used to be. you just cant be serious with that nonsense
2019-08-27 12:04
#37
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Are you fucking retarded? It is one of the biggest outrages in CSGO history that Astralis got all their players in the top 20, because they have much weaker aim then several players they are higher then and as a team have very overrated firepower, especially Xyp and Gla1ve. To win games you have to get kills- since Astralis were winning games (via gamesense and strategy) and in such dominant fashion, they had great stats. You cannot be serious that you think Astralis is individually stacked, but Liquid, With elige and Twistzz, two of the best players in the world, best aimers in the world, Twistzz being one of the best entries in the worlddown to pure insane aim, best deagles in the world, elige one of the most consustent stars in the world etc etc are not comparable. Even at the end of the Astralis era they were the strongest team in the world individually wise
2019-08-27 12:08
"It is one of the biggest outrages in CSGO history that Astralis got all their players in the top 20" stopped reading right here. no reason to read more bullcraps. bye
2019-08-27 12:08
#39
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lol you're a typical pleb who knows shit about CS and listens to everything you are told by your beloved yet corrupt and incorrect hltv. Stats aren't everything my friend
2019-08-27 12:15
0/8
2019-08-27 23:43
Haha
2019-08-28 00:03
0/8
2019-08-28 00:31
Funny
2019-08-28 00:35
"Are you fucking retarded? It is one of the biggest outrages in CSGO history that Astralis got all their players in the top 20, because they have much weaker aim then several players they are higher then and as a team have very overrated firepower" lol 0 iq
2019-08-27 23:29
#99
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lmfao idiot
2019-08-27 23:31
I hope you are baiting but if you really think that player with greater firepower = better player you are indeed 0 iq. I am not saying firepower is not important but it is not the sole thing that makes a player good. A good player should have good understanding of the game, good positioning, good crosshair placement, good utility usage, good link up with teammates etc. and most importantly good aim. If a player can get better rating and win more, without having a greater firepower, than another player that means he is basically better. Also, top 20 is not about aim. It is about how well players played throught the year and how much they accomplished. If, for example, xyp9x was not on top20 in 2018, this would be an outrage.
2019-08-27 23:50
Top 20 is about skill. Not gamesense, not support. Stats doesn’t mean a player has skill
2019-08-28 00:04
Top 20 is not about skill. And skill doesn't necessarily mean aim.
2019-08-28 00:10
The best players are the people with the best mechanics l, the people who can frag the highest on their own accord, who can carry and come up with massive rounds. The MVP players. Hltv top 20 gets quite a bit of hate since It is centred around stats leading to incorrect picks and priorities, such as dev1ce over niko.
2019-08-28 00:18
+1 He's literally brain dead spitting out nonsense lol
2019-08-28 00:31
he's an moran, no point in arguing with him. astralis era = all aim no brain liquid era = tactical gods + aim
2019-08-27 23:16
#96
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lmao
2019-08-27 23:30
#85
flusha | 
Norway dr_fiji 
The truth has been spoken
2019-08-27 23:25
Aleksib best IGL
2019-08-26 17:10
#15
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Canada Surzz 
It seems like you just want to discredit nitr0 here. All of liquid are responsible for them being the best, but the ingame leader is responsible for the ingame calls, and who is the IGL for liquid? nitr0. Enough said.
2019-08-26 17:19
#17
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
I am not discrediting nitr0 i am talking about how so many people assume him to be the best caller in the world just due to Liquids recent success. Also do not be fooled that everything is a call or everything is him, because the preparation worked out with adren means there is much less calling, stewie pputs in great backup calls etc etc. Liquid aren't successfl because of great calling. Enough said
2019-08-26 21:14
#26
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Luxembourg _hhh 
i dont see anyone picking him over glaive
2019-08-27 00:24
#28
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
youtube.com/watch?v=YF8KEQ0j5pQ Also check out igl list forums, and it's not just number 1, but getting number 2 and 3
2019-08-27 11:47
Nobody is saying that
2019-08-26 21:15
Nobody is saying that
2019-08-26 21:16
Nobody is saying that
2019-08-26 21:19
Who dafuq said he's the best? He is a pure fucking garbage. The only reason Liquid winning - can do Headshots mens. Individual skill of players and nothing more.
2019-08-26 21:22
#23
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
So many people, Hltv forums, pros, actually look at the recent beltway video ‘who is the best igl in he world’
2019-08-27 00:20
they're brainwashed, i guess.
2019-08-27 14:47
#48
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
They assume victory should all be put on the igl its dumb
2019-08-27 16:47
Zeus is best IGL
2019-08-26 21:24
#24
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Lmao
2019-08-27 00:20
#56
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
he might be BOT but u cant deny he is one of the greatest IGLs
2019-08-27 23:02
#60
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
He is one of the most overated igl's ever, outside of winning 1 tournament he has literally done nothing in GO and been carried in his entire history with navi
2019-08-27 23:08
#66
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
wait he won ESL one cologne 2018 and ESL new york 2016 and every year navi was a good team but the fact is navi always had 2 bad fraggers zeus-seized zeus-edward thats why they were losing also flamie was inconsistent af and i hope if he doesnt play well on major he get kicked want to know how good zeus IGL? watch Navi vs Astralis ESL One cologne 2018 inferno he read Astralis as a book
2019-08-27 23:14
#70
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
So basically you are saying gla1ve reading every team like a book for over a year straight, reinventing the meta and dominating the entire counter-strike scene is not as good as Zeus calling well for one tournament? Also that one notable tournament was Krakow and it was also an exaggeration, GuardiaN and then S1mple hard caried him and there are so many issuues inside of NaVi, so much weak calling, messing up, AK on Edward etc that is all down to him. Personality issues also tore apart gambit
2019-08-27 23:18
#73
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
some of your points are true gl1ve and zeus on the same lvl of IGLing but gl1ve good fragger thats why he is better i hope Kane is doing well also,,, he is still coach for navi cuz of zeus friendship
2019-08-27 23:21
#75
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
They are not on the same level of igling?
2019-08-27 23:21
#83
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
they are bro just gl1ve had unbelievable team on 2018 Dupreeh unreal entry Xyp9x clutch idk how he was doing those shits Magisk perfect refiler dev1ce 2nd player on the world with his great IGLing it was unbeatable....i think Astralis will back to top 1 soon also
2019-08-27 23:24
#88
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Astralis had overall very weak firepower relatively, especially compared to team like Liquid... they are pretty overrated. Zeus had 2 of the best players in the world... one maybe of all time
2019-08-27 23:27
#97
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
no i disagree Astralis firepower was insane dude... still magisk insane rn Xyp9x showed some insane maps on 2019 dupreeh was insane now he went really bad... he has missed really easy shots on Cologne and EPL and ECS. Dev1ce(just watch his game vs vitality on cologne) was trash compared to 2018...he missed some important sooo easy hits thats why astralis sucked hard last months
2019-08-27 23:31
Stats is different to firepower
2019-08-27 23:31
#144
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
still they were making too much plays in 2018 just search on youtube and u will find that they were insane fire power
2019-08-28 01:21
My friend, i watched and analysed the scene for the whole era, i don't need youtube. I know what is true. Think what you may but you are wrong. Also, highlights on youtube really should not fool you, although if they do check out TL highlights and also how more aim based they are, how much more firepower based. But every team needs solid firepower, people have to hit their shots, they have to be at least on form outside of aiming and at their peak aim wise to win... which is what made them so weak of late
2019-08-28 10:36
Also a complete lack of firepower ofc made then suck, you still must frag
2019-08-28 00:05
ALEX is shit igl
2019-08-27 00:22
#27
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United States jay_320 
Every team knows every teams strats and uses them. This "strategy" angle people like to talk about is a crock and isn't how modern CS works. Strategy comes from the coach. The job of an IGL in modern CS is to keep the players in the right head space. In this respect Nitro just due to his results and I include even 2018 in this has proven he is one of the best IGL's at keeping his players in the right head space and taking what his coach has given him and internalizing it in terms of "strategy". He's the best at what he does right now. It's a fluid thing. It's not 2015 where we can look at Seangares and Pronax and say well Sean is more structured and Pronax has a very defaulty style that makes plays off his individuals. It's kind of a shame. It's taken some of the personality out of the game. But there is still room for cool new things. Liquid has a great Mirage smoke they execute off of almost every T round and it confuses the hell out of teams. Astralis was a huge innovator with the use of HE grenades. Much easier to stop a push when you are on the CT side and the T's are all able to be one shot by your M4s.
2019-08-27 00:32
#32
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
I don't just disagree with the most part of this, but if we are gonna talk about keeping players in the right head space nitr0 is not the best at that. Liquid should not be known for having players in the right headspace, with the right attitude, with a lack of ego etc. You literally have stewie2k. ALso he was the igl during all the lost finals, all the chokes... by your logic that could count for something
2019-08-27 11:50
#51
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United States jay_320 
I mean if we count all the failure's people like Glaive and Karrigan have had you have the same issue. Greatness is greatness and all leaders have failed. I would argue that Nitro taking the reigns in 2018, building the second best team in the world and then taking all that he learned and setting records in 2019 is a pretty impressive upswing for an IGL. Lack of ego and having a nice attitude aren't winners attributes. They certainly can be. But being a horrible attitude and screaming that you are fucking their mothers can also be an extremely strong way of keeping yourself in the game mentally. So I don't see how Stewie2k bringing fire to the team hurts at all tbh.
2019-08-27 19:10
#52
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
I wasn't saying it was necessarily a bad thing it just didn't fit your point. Also stop acting like this is all on him, as if the success should be solely put on him as an in-game leader. Like the firepower on the team is based on his calling. That's just incorrect
2019-08-27 20:24
#54
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United States jay_320 
I haven't acted at all like it's all on him. Or even mostly on him. Just that he fits in the system. Same way Astralis and Glaive wouldn't be ship without Dupreeh, Device and Magisk Liquid certainly wouldn't be shit without Twistzz, NAF and Elige. But that goes without saying.
2019-08-27 22:57
#58
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Both teams would be total shit without them? And fitting the system does not make you the best igl. Liquid is the best team, but nitr0 is not the best igl
2019-08-27 23:07
ffs, if you take the best player out of any team of course they won’t be shit, wtf is even your logic?
2019-08-27 23:51
What are you on about? Taking the best players out of a team won’t make them worse? You must be making a mistake...
2019-08-28 00:02
#157
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United States jay_320 
Yeah I disagree. Like I said IGLing comes down to keeping your teams head's in the right space. Mid-round calls can be important to but most IGL's will admit even to cameras that mid-round calling is generally supplemented by a strong secondary voice and the team itself. Anyway if we know anything about Liquid it's that this team struggled with mental barriers for a very very verrrryyyy long time. Nitro and by extension Adren and the rest of the support team were able to get the kids to break through. So as all stands he's the best at what he does right now and if he's able to keep this team together for two or three years and stay in this type of form or close to it Astralis style there will be no doubt about it. Like I said it's a fluid thing. When CSGO is dead and all the tournaments are done we can sit in our chairs and count the trophies/records the greats like Nitro and Glaive put together and hash out who the best ever was. But right now Nitro is leading his team better then anyone.
2019-08-28 15:18
Nitr0 helped them break through? Where are you getting this from? He was the igl for all of their choking? Also Astralis style will never be there, this team has it's own style, it's different, they aren't looking for Astralis style, also you say he is the best at what he does and sure, that makes sense, at what he does in Liquid. Which is mostly outside of calling. He isn't the best igl. And the number of trophies is not a determining factor in that argument
2019-08-28 18:21
#159
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United States jay_320 
I never mentioned Astralis's style. Anyway though this is a boring conversation. You don't understand what a modern IGL even does apparently. And the numbers of trophies is most definitely a determining factor.
2019-08-30 18:33
Lmfao. Pleb view, so wrong. And you are the one who doesn't understand my friend, you
2019-08-30 20:37
Wait, is anyone actually saying nitr0 is the best IGL?
2019-08-27 11:56
thankas for the reminder
2019-08-27 12:17
and how do you know that? You are on the stage with them?
2019-08-27 16:48
#53
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
I don't need to play with them to know what Liquid are doing. It's called vod review, although for Liquid you can understand most of it just watching the match
2019-08-27 20:25
yeah, Liquid is so easy to read, not like any team is losing to them, maybe it’s because the mastermind ExCeL 1234 himself isn’t there IGLing. FaZe ExCeL 1234 confirmed?
2019-08-27 23:52
Lmao I never said I could read them I said I can review what strats they are actually implementing
2019-08-28 00:00
#50
World TuaD 
very nice
2019-08-27 17:44
adren is definitely doing a great job, i think liquid is #1 because of him. i agree with you
2019-08-27 23:09
micromanagement is something only bad igls do.
2019-08-27 23:13
#72
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
*Good igl's on shit teams do
2019-08-27 23:19
because everyone thinks the best team has the best igl
2019-08-27 23:13
Did you expected HLTV kids to know anything about CS? Same with AleksiB.. I still think AleksiB would be good for FaZe or Fnatic anyway but they sure aint no masterminds Its only Astralis where zonic and gla1ve play a huge part nitr0 and aleksiB are no Glaives..
2019-08-27 23:22
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2019-08-27 23:24
#84
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Portugal HLTV_Portugal 
Just wait until the major end to say goodbye to all this delusional NA fans . 'one of the most dominants teams in history' lmao NA Brain .
2019-08-27 23:25
#138
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United States yuk0n 
Nothing delusional about it. Liquid is doing really well right now and if they don't win the major, so what? They got the Intel Grand Slam within 63 days and that's quite a feat no matter what excuse you have to give for it.
2019-08-28 00:17
Sure, what you're saying could be 100% correct but how do you know all of this? How do you know that adren does ''a lot of work'' and that stewie ''puts in great backup calls''? Also, nitr0 himself claimed in an interview not so long ago that he does micromanage from time to time, however every time they put the cameras on him, he doesn't even open his mouth so I find it hard to believe that he actually micromanages (in-game at least).
2019-08-27 23:28
Peopl always think that the best IGL are always from the teams that are better in ranking and winning more, just have a look in the lists, if MIBR would have winning righ now, they wuld say Fallen is the best IGL, but now liquid is winning so is Nitr0, tomorrow will be another one.
2019-08-27 23:31
The thing is that they don't even prepare the match, adreN said he does noting much more than saying "let's go guys, keep playing good" lmao They just play with 90% skill lmao
2019-08-27 23:32
So your mad because of the way he's igl wtf
2019-08-27 23:33
Lol he's super mad, look at all his retarded comments, hilarious
2019-08-28 00:32
'retarded' when did that mean factual? Haven't seen you write anything of any value?
2019-08-28 10:40
No i'm talking about people calling him the best caller?
2019-08-28 10:41
liquid top1 = nitr0 greatest igl of all time stupid logic its obvious what makes liquid good 3 cheaters
2019-08-27 23:46
#137
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United States yuk0n 
Nitr0 doesn't need to micromanage because they're liquid. I think he has done a fine job of improving his calling and strategy throughout his career. His experience has made him a better IGL over time and maybe he isn't the best of the best, but he has come into his own with Liquid.
2019-08-28 00:12
Undoubtedly but this is about him not being the best.
2019-08-28 10:39
#161
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United States yuk0n 
fair, but I feel no need to call him the best and I don't know why anyone else would. he's not, but other people are trashing him as terrible which again, he is not.
2019-09-17 16:36
And i was saying idk why people are calling him the best
2019-09-17 17:17
in b4 crazy wins..........liquid my ass .
2019-08-28 11:49
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