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Device GOAT now?
Sweden m4st4m4st3r4wp 
2 major mvps, most mvps in total of anyone aswell. Won 4 majors and alot of other big events. Top 5 player since 2015. Who is better?
2019-09-08 20:10
#1
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Belgium Flugge))) 
I only see 1 major mvp and 3 majors are you drunk?
2019-09-08 20:11
Yeah but i dont believe in comeback.
2019-09-08 20:12
Few rounds left my friend))
2019-09-08 20:12
#9
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United States Slyckz 
soon
2019-09-08 20:12
#55
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
??????? Reply needs to have actual content
2019-09-08 20:23
are you 0 iq?
2019-09-08 20:23
#81
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Finland dvlx 
F5 bitch
2019-09-08 20:35
Are you serious?
2019-09-08 20:36
This comment hasn't aged well.
2019-09-08 20:37
#209
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
This comment would have never aged well.
2019-09-15 17:39
Are you blind or something men?
2019-09-08 20:45
#139
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United States theory^ 
u baited all these ppl axaxaxa
2019-09-09 03:46
#158
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CIS Axccv_ebowit 
Wtf
2019-09-12 19:15
Simple and Zywoo I said something stupid Kill me now
2019-09-08 20:11
#88
device | 
Europe Joliti9 
The bible says don't kill so i no kill
2019-09-08 20:37
#129
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Croatia KockicaRekt 
Signed up 2019-07-16
2019-09-08 22:18
Checks out, right?
2019-09-08 22:54
#161
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Brazil GuGa62 
forsaken says hello
2019-09-12 19:24
#3
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Mexico MarKeGOAT 
Nobody is better, only mad br kids say baitzera or dumb swedes say olof Dev1ce is the best player in the GOAT team Top5 every year
2019-09-08 20:11
jks>dev1ce
2019-09-08 20:17
#169
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Sweden Bakkmann 
+1
2019-09-12 20:39
#5
shox | 
Denmark Bagsy 
no top 1 = no goat
2019-09-08 20:12
+1
2019-09-08 20:15
#58
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Team game, meaning that more majors > more top 1s. nt
2019-09-08 20:24
+ consistently in top 20 for like 5 years
2019-09-08 20:42
#210
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
I.e. being average
2019-09-15 17:39
Bad bait
2019-09-16 10:26
#217
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Classic response from ecov2ce fangirl. Being average doesn’t make him a GOAT tho 🤷🏿‍♂️
2019-09-16 16:37
Who is the goat in your eyes? If you say s1mple I'm going to laugh my ass off
2019-09-16 16:39
Yea its true
2019-09-08 21:31
#211
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Team game and this means his team carried ecov2ce and lack of top 1 confirms that.
2019-09-15 17:40
+1
2019-09-08 20:31
Coldzera and GTR 2 times best in the world, sorry device
2019-09-08 20:12
#11
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
both were robberies lol, niko was the best in 2017 and flusha was the best in 2014
2019-09-08 20:13
Niko was the best in 2017 and flusha in 2014, seems you didn't watch cs at those times, now stfu and gtfo of here.
2019-09-08 20:13
#15
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
lmfao gtr was not the best player in the world in 2014, he won it because he was the fan favourite player, exactly the same for coldzera
2019-09-08 20:14
You didn't watch cs. Fnatic was a team of 4 amazing fraggers and Pronax where there wasn't much difference between them while Ninjas were a much more focused team on GTR and F0rest, while GTR was the main carry. Cold was by far better than niko, it's not even a discussion, the fact that NiKo teams can't ever be consistent makes him look bad, since he was always an inconsistent player with the skill of a top1 player. Too bad Cold was consistently good and NiKo not
2019-09-08 20:19
#45
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
#38 gtr most overrated player of all time
2019-09-08 20:20
yeah, no edit: you sound like you weren't watching either.
2019-09-08 20:34
#92
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Lithuania aikaz45 
for real dude... GTR was Nip back then... forest too... friberg was only above okay.. .nip back then was what it was because of GTR and Forest... therefore well deserved top 1... its not for you people to decide anyway since none of you watche it clearly
2019-09-08 20:40
I watched it and it was not deserved. there's a reason why gtr 2014 is the lowest rated player to ever get #1. #1 in 2014 was kennys
2019-09-08 20:44
+1 this man knows what's up, KennyS was by far the best individual player of 2014
2019-09-08 20:55
#102
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Lithuania aikaz45 
kenny was great no doubt dont get me wrong... but gtr got the important kills ... i cant believe hltv always watchin cs go an always thinking that kill count is the most important part... thats how noobs think. you can get plenty of kills from eco frags or awp holds ... for god sakes gtr made it popular to have a lurker role. show some respect
2019-09-08 20:58
Are you saying that awp holds are meaningless or easy? You are talking about easy kills when most of GTR kills were from the back, it doesn't matter if they were easy or not it matters how they impacted the game
2019-09-12 19:06
#194
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Lithuania aikaz45 
im saying they are easy... not meaningless. and GTR also had to go behind their back instead of waiting and clicking he had to have great timing great game sence and great strats. lurker is definitely harder role than awp.
2019-09-13 14:58
#198
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Lithuania aikaz45 
just think of this for a sec... almost all of the ''star'' players are awps... why? because awp is op... always have been
2019-09-13 15:15
Actually, friberg won them their major and without that, GTR wouldn't have won the MVP. and I never said flusha deserved top 1 because I don't think he did.
2019-09-08 20:55
#104
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Lithuania aikaz45 
banana king... i watched that... friberg was so good on that one that was true... but it was when gtr skill started to fade... ok since this will never end... lets just say this.. i get why people question gtr he was bad for a long time now.. but you cant deny his importance into making the game what it is today
2019-09-08 21:04
None of us questioned GTR, he's a legend of the game and a player that so many of the current stars looked up to, no one can take away what GTR has achieved but he was not the best player in 2014 and that is all that we're saying.
2019-09-08 21:10
It's the bad thing about this community and recent rankings, everythings based off stats and that doesn't prove who's the best. The best player is consistently good, and is always there in every game, a final or an opener. GTR was that consistent in a much undeveloped game. There's no doubt Kenny was the best individual player in 2014 but he did not achieve what GTR did and wasn't as consistent as him. I know what you're talking about, there was an interview on 2014 (when swedish and french cs was the top tier) where fnatic and NiP players were asked if anyone scared them besides themselves and the answer was Kenny, obviously. Still he couldn't achieve what NiP did, with their main player at the time GTR. People saying Friberg was above okay are retarded, for some reason he has that nickname and it was the time inferno belonged to him, not only banana. Just like fer in the SK prime with overpass
2019-09-08 21:58
KennyS didn't achieve what GTR achieved because he didn't have likes of f0rest, friberg and xizt on his side, KennyS was surrounded by 4 fifflarens.
2019-09-08 23:56
RpK wasn't a bot at he time neither Apex or Maniac. Ex6 was known for being one of the best igl's. He even played with prime ScreaM, just proves that you didn't watch anything in 2014 and you're just googling it.
2019-09-10 19:39
Yeah, you're actually clueless. have a good day.
2019-09-11 22:51
good argument, don't come here trying to discuss and lying about what you watched. You really have no idea of what to say so you just go with "you're actually clueless. You didn't watch the scene, not in early csgo neither cs 1.6, don't try to be a smart ass in here
2019-09-12 18:47
Signed up 2018-09-01
2019-09-12 21:59
Ex6 convinced RpK to come back because he thought he'll be the same player that he was in 2012 and he ended up being an average player at best. Maniac was almost always a problem for that team, he was solid but he wasn't good enough to compete with the big boys, I don't recall seeing Maniac pop off against decent opponents. Apex was good but inconsistent, he was unstoppable when he was feeling it but that didn't happen too often. Every top team in 2014 had multiple stars who carried HARD except Titan. KennyS isn't playing out of his mind? Loss, he isn't getting entries in a round and clutching it in the end? Loss No other star has ever had to carry that hard, even GuardiaN had some help in 2015 Anyway, seems like you're getting your retarded ideas from fragmovies or thooorin's videos so keep going, you'll make it as an analytics or a shitposting journalist someday.
2019-09-12 22:20
#195
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Lithuania aikaz45 
sad but true. without kenny titan would be 0 . just a basic top 25 team. but your point that oh you registered to a forum not long ago means that you know nothing is a bit childish. hltv isnt cs go :D you could and still can watch cs go without being on hltv you know.
2019-09-13 15:06
Yeah but my account was created in mid 14 and he told me that I'm Googling stuff about 14 , LOL
2019-09-13 19:28
#205
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Lithuania aikaz45 
oh now i get it
2019-09-13 21:33
you said now exactly what i said. Then you call me retarded. Btw, just because i got this account in 2018 doesn't mean i didn't watch the scene. I've been playing cs for 13 years now, watching for 10.
2019-09-13 15:59
No I did not, I said that Get_Right won more than Kenny because he had fantastic teammates and you told me that is not true and KennyS's teammates were better than that. KennyS was more consistent than GTR and he was better at almost everything (almost being the key word) and if KennyS had GTR's teammates he would've won every major in 14 I'm happy for you, thank you for the information.
2019-09-13 19:26
Kenny was better at awping, period. NiP basically played with 4 guys and you're telling me Kenny had a bad team? Get Rright and F0rest carried, Friberg was pretty consistent but not as good, Xizt was a mediocre fragger (just like pronax) and Fifflaren was -1. GTR deserved the 2 times top 1. Just because Kenny was always more flashy and has more highlights doesn't make him a better overall player. I really like Kenny and I still wish he could get back to that form, since sometimes he has flashbacks. GTR deserved everything he got those 2 years
2019-09-14 01:34
Yup, all that is coming from fragmovies that you watched. Alright mate, have a good day.
2019-09-14 10:31
LMAOOOO YOURE ACTUALLY STUPID RpK had literally JUST came out of retirement cuz he was so shit at GO
2019-09-12 19:59
stfu, you have no clue of what you're saying. Go watch replays from that time, he wasn't near his CS Source level, but he wasn't horrible lmao
2019-09-13 16:00
RpK literallhad to retire bc of how awful he was. That should speak volumes about his skill level.
2019-09-15 17:37
Go. Watch. Replays. From. 2014.
2019-09-15 19:45
#145
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Lithuania aikaz45 
u o kno what above okay means? :D Friberg was like kjerbye... good at one short period... and the rest was mediocre
2019-09-09 21:17
That's not true, friberg was really good through 2013/2014 and the beginning of 2015. Kjaerbye is no where near Friberg in csgo History
2019-09-10 19:40
#212
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Brazil jonyboyzines 
coldzera was the best in 2017 the man, the mith, the GOAT /closed
2019-09-15 17:42
flusha yes, niko nah
2019-09-08 20:16
but why top10? I don't think hltv uses that filter for its ranking
2019-09-08 20:21
#99
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Lithuania aikaz45 
Flusha was excellent.. but NIP was the best because of GTR... Flusha was very important, but without him fnatic would still be a great team back then... Gtr and forest made Nip
2019-09-08 20:51
0/8
2019-09-08 20:17
#40
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
flag, baitzera overrated, gtr overrated
2019-09-08 20:19
expected from UK baiter
2019-09-08 20:34
#112
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
Mad Brazilian? Yup
2019-09-08 21:20
no argument to #49? expected from UK
2019-09-08 21:22
#117
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
no argument for #112? expected from lulzil
2019-09-08 21:44
ok brexit 😂
2019-09-08 21:56
#123
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
Imagine using a good thing to insult people with lmao
2019-09-08 21:59
ok brexit😂
2019-09-08 22:04
brexit isn't a good thing
2019-09-12 18:47
#152
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
yes it is
2019-09-12 18:52
#64
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Based on what was NiKo better than Coldzera in 2017? Equal rating in big events, less trophies, less MVPs, much lesser time in #1. Actually Cold was #1 in the rating for a long ass time, NiKo caught up at the end, as far as I remember. You're probably just that sort of internet genius trying to spot mistakes everywhere you go
2019-09-08 20:26
#153
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
individually he was better for sure tho, cold deserved #1 but he had a better team that won more > him getting throphies and mvps. Also cold had an easier role in 2017 than Niko, while they had the same rating, wont talk about adr and impact rating, Niko far outshined him in that respect. NiKo hasnt been anywhere as good in 2019 as before so far, and he baited more than he ever did when he iglead FaZe, and people forget how much of an fucking beast he was in 2017. tldr; niko better individual player than coldzera, cold #1 hltv because of other factors
2019-09-12 19:02
#85
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
LOOOL
2019-09-08 20:36
It's funny, you guys said this a lot in 2017 Niko > Cold Forest > Fallen Rain > Fer Olof > Taco Yet, they lost every BO3 against sk that year.
2019-09-08 20:41
Why the fuck did u mention forest Device > fallen Dupreeh > fer Xyp > taco Gla1ve > boltz Magisk > cold
2019-09-08 20:44
prime fer>prime dupreh prime cold>prime magisk tho
2019-09-08 21:08
I meant guardian
2019-09-09 04:44
lmao baitzera
2019-09-08 20:17
#8
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
s1mple still, accomplishments dont demonstrate your skill level, only how good your team is and how good you are compared to the rest of your team
2019-09-08 20:12
yeah, on dm servers and in pugs lol, if you're supposed to the greatest player of all time, and you cannot elevate your team to another level, then who gives a fuck about your skill
2019-09-08 20:22
yeah let's elevate zeus to another level
2019-09-08 20:34
yeah zeus what a joke, on of the few players who's been in every major? such a silver
2019-09-08 20:37
#91
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United Kingdom shmilx 
+1, impossible task
2019-09-08 20:38
#110
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Belgium vxneGOD 
More majors then simple tho
2019-09-08 21:19
#118
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
means hes better lol? not really
2019-09-08 21:46
#171
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Well he got kicked from navi then won a major and navi realized that they are trash without zeus so kinda ye
2019-09-12 22:05
#172
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
devilwalk has a major, he must be better than guardian?
2019-09-12 22:16
#176
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Sorry but getting kicked from the team and then winning a major with a different team is something different.
2019-09-12 22:59
#177
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
it just isnt
2019-09-12 23:11
#178
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
It is zeus proved navi he didnt need them. Then tell me why the fk did navi begged him to go back to navi after he won the major?
2019-09-12 23:17
#179
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
they didnt beg him to go back lmfao. he left gambit because the rest of the players wanted to kick kane, zeus wanted to keep kane, so he left gambit with kane and joined navi (with kane).
2019-09-12 23:18
#181
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
They didnt beg? Then tell me why would you kick a player and then reinvite him to your team just after a tournament
2019-09-12 23:26
#183
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
you didnt read what i just said, go reread it
2019-09-12 23:31
#186
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
I dont think you read what i just said, tell me when a team kicks a player why would they reinvite to the team after a tournament again?
2019-09-12 23:35
#188
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Still didnt read what i said im talking about navi not gambit, tell me why did navi invited zeus to playfor them when they kicked him?
2019-09-12 23:50
#191
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
because they didnt have many good options? reminder of the timeline: zeus agrees to leave gambit, gambit wins krakow, zeus leaves, guardian and seized step down from navi, zeus and seized rejoin. they got him back because he was a free agent and they were 2 players down, they didnt beg for shit. maybe read the articles lol?
2019-09-12 23:54
#192
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
So now use your little brain and tell ne why kick a player if you will need him later cause you are out of options lmao. God damn i know you are a fan of navi but stop being this delusional
2019-09-13 01:08
#193
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
because when they kicked him they didnt need him since starix was igl while being coach, then valve changed the rules on coaches being able to talk to players during the game. as a result navi dropped off and then they got zeus again when guardian left for faze.
2019-09-13 01:23
#201
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
no response?
2019-09-13 16:26
#182
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Also i wonder why gambit became tier 3 after zeus left them hmm?
2019-09-12 23:28
Absolutely 4 major wins 2 major mvps 1 IGS 1 greatest era ever in CS GO No one else comes even close.
2019-09-08 20:13
+1
2019-09-08 20:15
#21
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Brazil Capi___ 
What does IGS mean?
2019-09-08 20:16
Intel Grand Slam
2019-09-08 20:17
#34
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Brazil Capi___ 
Thanks :)
2019-09-08 20:18
#27
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Spain elskio 
+ 14 mvps
2019-09-08 20:17
#29
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United States tatsumi 
+1
2019-09-08 20:17
why does sucess = goat? so xypex top 5 players of all time?
2019-09-08 20:19
Xyp 0 major mvp
2019-09-08 20:19
but ur saying team success is more important then playing well, so xyp > S1mple?
2019-09-08 20:21
S1mple has high rating because his whole team revolves around him and baits for him. Device still has high rating and he doesn't need to sacriface his teammates. Device GOAT. Also check out his player profile (TSM one) video.
2019-09-08 20:22
#120
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Spain elskio 
+1
2019-09-08 21:58
so s1mple had high ratings on flipside, and liquid cuz he baited all his teammates? also Device is a know exit fragger sooooooo. Just so u know, i dont hate Device, and think he is a great player, top 5 goats but imo GTR. F0rest, Olof and more legendary and S1mple better player. He might become the goat, we shall see how his career turns out (he is still quite young)
2019-09-09 18:19
People just love the past players, it happens in every sport You could say that those players had higher peaks (which I would disagree appart from simple and olof) but when we are talking about the GOAT it was device that has been relevant since forever while the others aren't relevant now appart from simple
2019-09-12 19:12
you cant say that people aren't relevant now. For example, F0rest is 41, Device is 24. I would be very suprised if Device is still relivant at 31. Also imo you can't be the GOAT if you are not the number 1 player at any point in time
2019-09-12 19:21
Device might not be relevant at that age but it doesn't change a thing, I don't understand why that is taken into consideration, if forest was 24 now he could be better than he is now but he could also be worse, we will never know I understand that it sounds stupid that the goat was never top 1, but imo opinion being top 3 every year is way more impressive than being top 1 and then dissapear
2019-09-12 19:52
true, but s1mple hasn't disappeared. Also at the start of cs, competition was much worse, but f0rest was a much better player then he is now. IMO Astralis GOAT team, S1mple Goat csgo player, but that relies on him dominating the rest of this year
2019-09-12 20:25
if simple keeps playing like this in the next 2 or 3 years, sure he is the Greatest of all time, but he needs to do it for more time When it comes to the highest skill peek, it is simple for sure
2019-09-12 20:38
nobody
2019-09-08 20:13
Yes. device is the GOAT.
2019-09-08 20:13
#17
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Poland wiktorex 
Never top 1 Goat Get a brain
2019-09-08 20:15
Yeah, his rating maybe doesn't seem that high because he doesn't abuse and bait his teammates (s1mple, baitzera, zywoo etc.) S1MPLE 0 major mvp xaxa
2019-09-08 20:16
Top 1 at 2 majors, who cares if he is not top 1 in one single year. Its like when Cristiano Ronaldo scores 4 goals against Levante - who the fuck cares - you have to score the goals in the big games, in the fucking final in the World Cup and Champions League final, THATS device. That's the reason he is GOAT.
2019-09-08 20:17
That moment when his top 2 last year meant more than top 1 in 2014 through 2017
2019-09-08 20:18
moron, I bet you were calling s1mple goat before january 2019
2019-09-08 20:24
yea this major confirmed it...easily the goat for now
2019-09-08 20:15
#22
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Greece Michaelides 
Yes, but the dev1ce haters will say otherwise.
2019-09-08 20:16
He even gets his own graffiti :O
2019-09-08 20:17
Really ? Or bait ?
2019-09-12 22:38
#31
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Czech Republic C9in2015 
yessss
2019-09-08 20:17
#33
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Georgia Fatal Fighter 
For sure.
2019-09-08 20:18
Yes, people keep hating he just keeps winning
2019-09-08 20:18
Anyone not thinking device is goat is a delusional hater. Nobody has brought such star performance consistently for their entire career.
2019-09-08 20:18
olof/gtr/f0rest have done it for more years then device. Not done it entire career because they have played a lot longer
2019-09-08 20:22
Olof? He was good for maximum two years, most overrated player ever
2019-09-08 20:25
this is about csgo. noone cares about gtr or f0rest in 1.6 here. dev1ce done much, MUCH more in csgo than them and olof? dont make me laugh. literally 1 good year lmfao
2019-09-08 20:26
#70
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Czech Republic marekkingx 
+1
2019-09-08 20:32
0 iq comment lmao, also why does having a good team make you the goat? Astralis goat team yes, Device goat player? na
2019-09-09 18:20
There is a reason why he has a great team, it isn't just pure luck
2019-09-12 19:14
hes danish :shrug:
2019-09-12 19:22
So every great player from every great CSGO nation has always had a great team?
2019-09-12 19:53
its just that you say his team is great, it isnt just pure luck, but the fact that they have a top 5 awper, best igl, best support, a great rifler and a good entry all in their primes speaking their native language at the same time is pretty lucky. Players like S1mple dont get the luxury of best igl or support to help them
2019-09-12 20:26
I can agree that device is luckier than some but it is easier to build a team around him than around simple, device is pretty much a flawless player (not as skilled as others but can do everything) and it really helps in the teambuilding and team spirit that the star player is someone like him and not simple
2019-09-12 20:36
#39
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Never been the best player at any point in CSGO, in what way does that qualify him for GOAT.
2019-09-08 20:18
everything checked lmao...
2019-09-08 20:20
well he does have a point
2019-09-08 20:22
no he doesnt
2019-09-08 20:26
so not being the best player in the game, yet still being the greatest of all time..... nice
2019-09-09 18:21
#59
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
whats wrong my friend?
2019-09-08 20:24
mad that he destroyed liquid? clearly
2019-09-08 20:26
#67
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Not an actual Liquid fan my friend
2019-09-08 20:29
flag and flair checked:DDDDDDDDDDD yea please tell me more how mad you are
2019-09-08 20:32
#73
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Wtf mens(( so rood
2019-09-08 20:33
i can see the tears already
2019-09-08 20:35
top1 doesn't mean shit lol, it's a team game and u can have worse stats than another player, and still have more impact on the score. Should we celebrate players who puts winning above performing?
2019-09-08 20:30
#72
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Wtf are you talking about, good players play well for the team, good stats cant carry you to top 5, you need EVPs MVPs and event wins / good placements like every top 5. Not gonna bother cos ur making no sense, please put this through your brain br u spout such retardation
2019-09-08 20:33
I have no idea how what you said dispute what I said. You cannot put stats above result and win in the same time? Obviously you can lol, but definitely you wont keep winning if you play like that
2019-09-08 20:37
#111
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New Zealand Nikios 
You have the weirdest criteria of GOAT. Team achievements yeah its important but its what the player a did ad a individual that's makes them the goat. That's why I don't consider device top 1 because he got fucking Dupreeh probs the best Entry fragger in Csgo history Xyp9x top 3 best clutcher next to prime shox and snax. Glaive one of the best IGLs next to fallen and Zeus. Magisks insane player. What did S1mple only have electronic and he carried Navi in 2018 that's makes s1mple better in terms of raw skill and ability but also a very valid reason why hes called GOAT because hes actually done things that are impossible to achieve by a individual. Device always had insane players to surround him to perform don't get me wrong hes top 4 player of time because of his insane and people underrate his skill Device hes got the best flicks. if you ask everyone pro every analyst of who is GOAT they will say its S1mple. Device aint a f0rest or Neo but S1mple is there
2019-09-08 21:20
you realize that navi pre-simple had guardian, who had much worse stats than simple, and also they had much worse lineup on paper, and still they had similar success to navi with simple, and they managed to do that in a shorter period of time? plus when guardian was joining navi, they werent a top3 team. How will you explain that? btw. dupreeh the best entry fragger in csgo history? they've just won their 4th major, and dupreeh has 18% opening attempts with 57% success, how on earth does that compete with players like niko who had 35% attempts, elige 28% or art who usually gets like 35-40% opening attempts? Device had better opening stats than dupreeh
2019-09-08 21:29
#116
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New Zealand Nikios 
Okay let's get this outta of the way. Entry fragger is a very eye based role rather stat role because there are running in guns blazing about to die for teammates that's why Dupreeh stats a shit but yes I said "probably" apex is a contender in that role. Im reading your point I dont understand what you mean. By using guardian, your literally countering device not S1mple. Refer to your earlier point "its a team game" so why use a hard carry player?.
2019-09-08 21:44
If player engaging in opening duels as often as possible isn't an entry fragger, then who is? A person who ocassionally gets an entry frag on a site? Guess what, that can happen to everyone, dupreeh might do that better than the others, doesn't mean he's an entry fragger, especially an excellent one I asked you a simple question, how do you explain that previous navi lineup had a similar success, if they had neither simple nor electronic, and they had much better lineup on paper. Because you looked at stats, you looked at rankings, and you think that you can put two and two together, and attribute entire success to simple's performance. And I cannot agree with that, especially after seeing how his playstyle changes under various circumstances
2019-09-08 22:17
Let's just address the elephant in the room. There are different ways players approach the game when it's not going their way. You have people like niko, faze is losing he becomes super aggressive, he wants to create as much space as possible, and he doesn't give a shit if his rating is going to be low. You have players like device, who have their own roles, and who are doing their jobs despite of circumstances. And then you have simple, if navi is losing, he's doing everything to salvage his rating - that's why for example he has like 90%+ of his matches with 1+ rating, and that's huge in comparison to other players, even though simple has much lower win rate than them. When navi's winning and he's feeling confident, then he's rushing, trying to get as many kills as possible. But when they're losing and he's not feeling confident, then he's gonna try to save as often as it's possible, he's going to get positive rating even from exit kills. That's why on the starladder major he had the lowest death per round ratio, even though their win rate was like 50% lol. You can observe his opening kill attempts as well, usually he has like 20%+ attempts if he's playing well, but if his rating is about to be like around 1.1, then his opening attempts drop down to like 15%, because he wants to keep his kast high, he wants to have guns for the next round, what ultimately leads to having 90%+ 1+ rating and like 1.3 rating overall. You can say that if he's not feeling confident, then it's normal to play more carefully, right? But it doesn't apply to any other players. Device had lans with below than his average ratings, and guess what, his opening attempts were almost always if not always 20%+, because he has certain role, he knows what his team wants from him. Same applies to zywoo. You see that they have certain structure, and it doesn't matter how bad or good they're playing, their roles are always the same. Meanwhile in navi, simple's playstyle decides about the structure. So ask yourself a question, should you glorify a player, who's main objective is to get top1 on hltv, and get as good rating as it's possible? Of course, you cannot say he's hurting the team, or that he's bad, but the structure in navi surely has to be reworked. And when I gave u the guardian example, I wanted you to see that what navi achieved in 2018 was not such a big deal, especially when their previous lineup was able to achieve similar thing without having 1.3 rating players. If anything, having player like simple should make them much better than the previous iteration of their squad, but it's not possible as long as simple wont understand that he has to sacrifice his rating for the greater good.
2019-09-08 22:46
#137
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New Zealand Nikios 
Fuck me that’s a essay. okay let me get this straight I’m not comparing 2018 Navi and 2015-2016 Navi. Both have a good amounts of achievements one major final in row, bet the best team in the world. First of all let’s look at the old Navi lineup pre simple. You have guardian one of the best players in the world, you have Zeus alright IGL at the time not comparable to Fallen or Kerrigan but really good. Then you have stable 2nd star name flamie then you have seized one of the best support player in early 2016, and Edward alright much not as bad now but still a acceptable player. If we narrow it down it would in terms of teammates Navi 2015 had at better then 2018 Navi. Now let’s look at the reason why s1mple joined Navi, first 2016 was a very different time in csgo the key reason why coaches can igl so they turned zeus into a support player and statix as IGL, so it obvious that s1mple would replace Him, now we all know that valved banned coaches speaking during the game. That fucked up Navi so hard more then any other team but the reason why they were a world top 10 is because of s1mple, by that time guardian went to shit and the IGL that seized picked made him shit. Enough history Okay if you have looked at games in 2018 s1mple is not selfish as people might think. I saw a game once where Navi did the hero AK setup but guess who got it, Edward and Zeus got it. just had a deagle, i remember Draken getting pissed about and tweeted a screenshot of it. My point is put device in Niko and S1mple situation. Same with Kenny’s and guardian hard carries in the world. Device let’s plays with Hunden MSL and give him Dupree’s and Magisk, he hard carries them and wins a major then you definitely call him the goat. What these 4 players have achieved device hasn’t done it yet. In terms of consistency and achievements device is goat but in terms of being an individual Then s1mple is the goat. S1mple isn’t focused on being top 1 he’s focused on winning the major.
2019-09-09 03:39
Navi 2015 had probably 3 most hated cis players ever with basically one top10 player, and you're trying to say that they were better than 2x top4 players plus flamie who oscilates around top20? Basically navi 2015 had seized, who in terms of performance was worse than zeus. You cannot be serious about that. Let's say that there's some logic to the second paragraph you wrote, yet the coach rule, and how it influenced navi, is something that cannot be proved or disputed. Plus they werent top10 team after that, more like top15-20. Even after zeus re-joined they werent back to their top form. Only after did electronic join them, and started to put up massive numbers on t side, they started winning, yet people attribute their success entirely to simple. Dont compare niko or guardian to simple. Simple relies heavily on his teammates. He's good in holding angles or fighting out-of-utility enemies. That's why most of his highlights come from after bomb plant situations, or holding sites on ct side, or just rounds against enemy with very little utility. Therefore, his teammates have to either bait the utility or take the site for bomb plant. If they fail, then the round is most likely done, but still simple will get a better shot against opponent with no utility, or he'll get some exit frags so his rating is higher. That's why electronic had higher rating on t side in 2018 than on ct side, which is uncanny. How often do you get better stats on t side than on ct side? Compare it to zywoo, of whom I've already seen couple highlights in which he single-handedly takes site at the beginning of a round. Have you seen anything like that from simple? No, because he gets his teammates to go first, then he follows them and get trade kills if they fail. Often people respond to this argument like "hahaha moron ofc he'll bait his teammates, it's better that simple clutches than this noob zeus". And guess what, in 2019 zeus has 59% 1v1 win rate, simple has 57%. So sure, put device in similar situation. Make his game only about holding angles with awp, and make sure that he always remains in a safe spot, so he's able to get 0.54 deaths per round despite of having 50% win rate in matches, and of course he most likely wouldn't win a major playing like that, but pretty sure his rating would be higher, especially if its like 1.2+ despite of being a great team player. Although I can agree that if you'd put device in niko's shoes, then he most likely would be worse, because it's hard to get like 30%+ opening attempts and remain good rating, so props to niko for that btw. just saw that zeus is going to retire, I'm dying to see how this team will turn into pug-like team with skilled players, who cannot do shit against well-organized and structured teams
2019-09-09 13:39
navi with guardian and zeus was better than any navi with s1mple navi with guardian seized flamie edward and zeus was a consistent top 2 team
2019-09-08 21:59
yeah, like back then edward was 2019 flamie lol, and none of them had 1.3 rating, yet they were such a solid team
2019-09-08 22:18
#48
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Poland misioneos 
nooo, eco and exit fragger, rest of astralis>>>>devve
2019-09-08 20:21
#54
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CIS Tasselhoff 
He bangs hard, Astralis are definitely GOAT
2019-09-08 20:22
#60
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Albania fazeBOIS 
olof still goat
2019-09-08 20:25
#62
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Denmark Azyyy 
device most consistent s1mple highest peak but device was so good for such a long time id have to give him the goat status
2019-09-08 20:25
wait for the omenchallenge :D
2019-09-08 20:34
yes
2019-09-08 20:35
#80
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Pakistan d1ckweed 
he is
2019-09-08 20:35
no he isn't devve is
2019-09-08 20:36
0 thrill player
2019-09-08 20:36
#86
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
GTR/Olof >>>>>
2019-09-08 20:36
Device is like Shaquille O’Neal s1mple is Lebron James Get_Right is Kobe Bryant But who is Michael Jordan?
2019-09-08 20:45
#103
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Turkey Im_OK_guy 
Jordan was sniper so KennyS ?
2019-09-08 21:02
#213
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Poland Czeczen 
retard
2019-09-15 17:43
#105
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Portugal dave1906 
"Dev1ce GOAT now" GOAT means Greatest of all time, so... if its of all time, it can't ne now... tittle wrong :p
2019-09-08 21:04
#106
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Russia SP3C73R 
device isn't so good mechanically, but he's one of the smartest player. He's positioning & consistency is really awesome. In terms of it he's the GOAT
2019-09-08 21:06
#109
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United Kingdom KainZ 
For me taking this 4th major and mvp today as well as his consistent presence in the top 5 as well as his stats and impact have put him just ahead of Olof as the GOAT of CSGO for me.
2019-09-08 21:10
I dont see people could consider olof goat of csgo
2019-09-08 22:07
#135
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United Kingdom KainZ 
Trophies, Moments, world no 1 etc etc. but its all irrelevant now :)
2019-09-09 01:27
He was great for 1 year he is 4th at best for me
2019-09-09 01:35
Best team? Yes GOAT Player? No dev1ce top 5 all time CS:GO
2019-09-08 21:59
Best team? Yes Best player on team? Yes Goat? Id argue so
2019-09-08 22:24
Dont make much sense to talk about GOAT with players.. Every player bring something on a working team, and without it the other players dont work.. Gla1ve could be GOAT because its his calls and so on that set up a lot of it.. In all team sport really it dont make much sense to talk about GOAT. since each player is different bring something different, there are players that a top level. but where this have a little of that and an other a little of this.. So to me it only works with teams. Like its no brainer Astralis is GOAT, with not just what they have done but the way they do it. how the play. what they change and how they evolve the game and make it better. And its the package.. But with single players in a team game to talk GOAT.. it really dont mean as much. and more than one could be mentioned depending on what you go by.
2019-09-08 22:04
#138
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Iceland caverat 
is this a joke? 8/8
2019-09-09 03:42
Olofmeister obviously
2019-09-10 19:59
Yes
2019-09-12 19:04
He is the best player of all time, obviously
2019-09-12 22:40
D3vic3 Triplet master. Master of the 3s.
2019-09-12 23:19
#185
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Albania Artannr 
+1
2019-09-12 23:33
yep
2019-09-12 23:50
yes he is goat but his play style sucks
2019-09-12 23:50
#196
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United Kingdom Xfolo 
+1
2019-09-13 15:06
if it works why not do it?
2019-09-13 15:14
#204
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Brazil JgzMcz 
Man the last mpv was bullshit, xy deserved alot more to be dw mvp. So no GOAT, cs go is too yung to have one.
2019-09-13 19:45
#214
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Sweden Trkmag 
No ofc
2019-09-15 17:44
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