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Germany Reesescup 
What is western society and what is the point of preserving it?
2019-09-12 01:21
Sad shadow of what it used to be with strong values and integrity.
2019-09-12 01:23
That is the most vague thing iv ever heard. Want to elaborate
2019-09-12 01:24
Too tired for that sorry. Just my 2cents.. Christian values which have been giving good structure to society are being stepped on while chaos and confusion slowly take over.
2019-09-12 01:33
+1
2019-09-12 01:37
#10
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
US has been a shithole in that regard since its inception so no need to worry my dear mutt friend))
2019-09-12 01:40
Well i'd say since the early 1900s yes. When we allowed ourselves to be ruled by Jews.
2019-09-12 03:39
YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSASSSSSS
2019-09-12 06:18
Yeah your ancestors would be ashamed of how much of a pussy you are.
2019-09-12 06:31
ya, I don't care. they are fucking retarded people who knew nothing about the world. tried killing millions for dumb propaganda. but keep being a slave to older generations
2019-09-12 16:04
#108
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Germany Bier 
Ever heard of progression?
2019-09-13 14:17
ye hitler killed jews but turks took over germany, and jews usa rofl
2019-09-12 06:42
#99
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Romania NeverDieRo 
Because Germany lost to many ppl after ww2 and they imported some milions turks to rebuild the contry if im not wrong .
2019-09-12 18:52
I dont know, not german and not that old. But no, that wasnt the case actually. They needed foreigner workers to rebuild the country, thats true, but not specifically turks, but all kinds of foreigners
2019-09-12 19:56
#105
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Romania NeverDieRo 
70 80% of them are turks ... thats why germany had so many turkis-germans today ... like ozil xd
2019-09-12 21:38
Christians are the problem with the us
2019-09-12 01:58
Not really the Christian faith but the ignorant rednecks who just happen to be more religious than the rest.
2019-09-12 05:38
I would actually say just religion in general, promotes bad thought
2019-09-12 06:18
#79
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Russia DenGamlaHerr 
what exactly?
2019-09-12 06:55
religion is Faith-based. Faith-based thought is bad for change and discourse
2019-09-12 16:01
#83
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Korea XigNw0w 
Totally because religions helped us survive over 2k years and now they are suddenly useless.
2019-09-12 07:36
actually religion held us back. sorry if that twiggers you
2019-09-12 15:59
#107
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Korea XigNw0w 
Yes, people probably thought exactly the same way when black death came to Europe or any other disease wave anywhere around the globe.
2019-09-13 14:14
love that all your examples of "good" things are from 1 thousand fucking years ago
2019-09-17 15:39
#113
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Korea XigNw0w 
"plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million to 350–375 million in the 14th century." If your 14th century is a thousand years ago, then I don't know which time machine you are using.
2019-09-17 15:41
600 years ago. still not relevant to our time. you dishonest fuck
2019-09-17 15:42
#116
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Korea XigNw0w 
Yea, but I guess we just ignore how uneducated you are when you don't when such an important event in history happened? How am I being dishonest, it's the truth, you idiot. During cholera epidemics, people were praying more than usual, literally, religion helped us through those times because people just didn't give up.
2019-09-17 15:44
you're trying to hang on to this, not 1k years ago thing, because your dishonest. 2. yes it gives people hope, but what else does it do? it creates people that think believing something makes it real, that you can never question their beliefs or views, and millions have been murdered in the name of religion
2019-09-17 15:49
#121
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Korea XigNw0w 
What the fuck is not 1k ago thing? Because I said that it was actually more recent than you misinformation spreading german would know? Millions of people have been murdered in the name of the land, food, money etc. They have killed a lot of people as well, the U.S caused civil war in Libya because they killed Gaddafi in the name of what? It gives important basic values as well.
2019-09-17 15:54
and it's still irrelevant to today and I would never defend the thing the usa do. but keep reaching can you bring one relevant thing religion does today but slow progress and touch little boys
2019-09-17 15:56
#127
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Korea XigNw0w 
So, now you are just talking about the Catholic Christian church and pulling up something that a minority does to those boys? It's irrelevant, I ask you again how it's irrelevant, it's irrelevant to you because we got over it already? Good because then holocaust is irrelevant to me because it's an old thing already. Religion helps poor, runs charities, advices people, gives them at least some meaning, teaches basic values and teaches to respect people. Have you ever read Tripitaka, or do you even know what it is? It's pretty useful and teaches important things.
2019-09-17 16:00
yup and empower baseless thought. and I'm fairly sure the church as a whole covered it up soooooooo
2019-09-17 16:02
#129
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Korea XigNw0w 
Who is only talking about churches here?
2019-09-17 16:11
the church is the whole chatholic hirarchy if you get me
2019-09-17 16:14
#135
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Korea XigNw0w 
And who is either talking only about Christianity?
2019-09-17 16:18
other religion arent any better mate
2019-09-17 16:43
#146
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Korea XigNw0w 
Still you only keep talking about chuch.
2019-09-18 14:15
this guy knows nothing about world religions, don't bother with this uneducated kid trying to trigger with baseless statements.
2019-09-17 16:46
what baseless statement have a made
2019-09-17 16:47
still waiting for you to provide any basis for your argument. so i guess all of them?
2019-09-17 16:49
give me one statement, aint that hard is it?
2019-09-17 16:49
0/8
2019-09-19 01:02
#148
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Korea XigNw0w 
I almost gave up when he said that black death epidemic was thousand years ago. I'm not even religious person of any kind, but I still acknowledge how religions have had huge important effect to people's live, helped us through very hard times given very important basic values and now suddenly, it's all bullsh*t?
2019-09-18 14:19
#100
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India h8or 
Culture and Religion are two different things. Think again, you probably meant culture.
2019-09-12 18:53
He conflates the 2
2019-09-12 18:53
#106
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Korea XigNw0w 
Yes because it's the culture that helped Europeans over dark ages when something unexplainable happened. When people saw something that science couldn't explain back then, religion helped them through and gave advice, but now over 2k years it's suddenly the sole reason why people are fighting and cause of conflicts, no matter which country.
2019-09-13 14:13
wait so because it did something good once, 2 thousand years ago. means that we should progress past that primitive thought????
2019-09-17 15:38
#112
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Korea XigNw0w 
Oh, so now it's just once? I think you should get thrown into some that time when the black death was rowing on streets and no one knew why people are dying. Explain it to them.
2019-09-17 15:39
can you give me something that religion has done in the modern-day. don't care about examples from thousands of years ago
2019-09-17 15:42
#117
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Korea XigNw0w 
Surviving over black death and cholera epidemics are over thousands of years to you? During world wars, people prayed and hoped that God would save them, what if they would have been atheists, with no hope in sight? Would nations still be standing in such a strong force against it? Also, marriage exists because of religions, it also gives us some very basic values that are important in life.
2019-09-17 15:47
yes, people will turn to anything that will tell them they will be fine when they are fighting in a war. marriage, as it is today, has nothing to do with religion
2019-09-17 15:51
#122
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Korea XigNw0w 
Hey, what a good point, it has nothing to do with religion, but religion is the reason why it exists in the first place. So, anything will cause a war, but religion is somehow still the evil thing behind everything, hmm.
2019-09-17 15:56
religion has been behind most wars through history if you deny this your practicing historical revisionism also yes just because it started as something doesn't mean it will always be apart of that thing. ya dumb shit
2019-09-17 15:58
#130
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Korea XigNw0w 
Calling me dumb shit, when you don't even know when the black death epidemic happened, the irony is strong here. It's the base reason why it exists in the first place, but I guess, suddenly as we don't need a religion, we don't need marriage either. Also, it's still very in presence with marriage, considering how many people get married in church.
2019-09-17 16:13
I don't think we need either. and bro you keep bring this up as a got you because your insane dishonest
2019-09-17 16:15
#134
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Korea XigNw0w 
You have so bad arguments, just saying I'm dishonest with no proof, I can't even take it seriously anymore. I mean who needs funerals either? I think you don't need them either, right?
2019-09-17 16:17
you dont. why do you need them?
2019-09-17 16:42
#147
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Korea XigNw0w 
Maybe because people are there to pay respects and show respect and love towards you, but you don't need that either then.
2019-09-18 14:16
+1
2019-09-12 08:05
Which bad thought exactly does it promote? Don't kill like in the savage times? Be humble and learn to forgive? Don't judge nor gossip? Don't fuck someone's wife and don't steal? Learn to be patient and work on yourself? Which one?
2019-09-17 16:20
to believe in something with zero proof. also interference those are the only things i care about in term of religion
2019-09-17 16:44
There's plenty of proof for those who seek the truth, many of the biggest brains shaping the history were Christians. The disbelief of one doesn't disprove a belief of another one. There are always two sides to a good thing because people are in charge.
2019-09-17 21:00
My two cents is that we are actually in many aspects moving towards more Christian values. Christianity was created by Jesus' followers to reform the religion according to Jesus' teachings, it's even in the name of the religion. The main point in Jesus' teachings was to love one another. So in that way the modern more tolerating values are more Christian. Whether they are better values is another discussion on its own.
2019-09-18 14:46
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Brazil _Awper 
I think it is an Sad shadow of what it used to be with strong values and integrity.
2019-09-12 01:26
#4
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United States gtmaniacmda 
A society that upholds western values.
2019-09-12 01:26
What are western values
2019-09-12 01:27
#20
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United States Globebuster 
i can give you some of them democracy individualism meritocracy, it does originate from ancient china but is an important part of western values free market christian ethics and morality which our entire justice system is based on, the idea that the individual is sovereign and has value for example look up western philosophy and rationalism, it is unique in human history
2019-09-12 02:40
Our laws are based on Enlightenment thought and heavily based on British common law.
2019-09-12 04:32
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United States Globebuster 
what are you trying to say? that the ideas behind western legal systems are not founded in christianity? the ideas are founded in christianity and the enlightenment was a time of spiritual awakening as well as criticism and doubt, all which is fueled by christianity think about who founded all the great universities - devout christians during the 1700s - the golden age of science, more than 9/10 of scientists were christians and almost 2/3 devout christians the scientific revolution and the enlightenment would not have been possible without christianity
2019-09-12 05:09
We can say the same thing about the pagan Romans and the advancements made during their time. Was it because of paganism? No, it's the structure of the society and its peoples. Christianity is good for keeping people in check, not advancing society.
2019-09-12 05:11
#76
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Australia HOOD123 
god gay lol
2019-09-12 06:40
democracy rofl - is that when you go and bomb other nations to be able to steal their $
2019-09-12 06:43
#82
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Yugoslavia HeavySmoker 
Democracy 🤮🤮🤮😂😂😂
2019-09-12 07:30
#27
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United States gtmaniacmda 
google it?
2019-09-12 03:55
I would not agree :) Because none of that is inherently western
2019-09-12 04:14
#31
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United States gtmaniacmda 
It's just a label for a certain set of values, it doesn't really matter how 'inherent' they are.
2019-09-12 04:17
Wait so racism, slavery, homophobia, and concentration camps are western culture aswell?
2019-09-12 04:43
#42
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United States gtmaniacmda 
no
2019-09-12 05:16
I would say they are equal to christianity or god
2019-09-12 05:51
#56
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I'm sure you would say that
2019-09-12 06:04
Yup because you csnt prove me wrong :)
2019-09-12 06:18
#73
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I don't hold the burden of proof in this 'argument,' you do.
2019-09-12 06:25
id say the influence of slavery in our economy and culture has had an equal impact on Christianity. but then again this isn't something that is provable...ie why i said you cant prove me wrong
2019-09-12 15:58
#7
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Brazil RAYRELiCK 
western society used to be good before ww2 and the jews
2019-09-12 01:34
Unlike Brazilian culture....its never been good
2019-09-12 01:58
#8
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United States PsychoLogical 
a hit or miss.
2019-09-12 01:36
More of a miss
2019-09-12 01:58
#14
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Finland Smoonah 
you never play Rudders2 wtf
2019-09-12 02:00
consumerism + consumptionism capitalism, money worship "science" worship cult of entertainment cult of women body worship instant gratification and quick fix hedonism hypocrisy: obey to "democracy" - fake freedom
2019-09-12 02:08
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Venezuela 643 
+1 i respect you. By the way, you can sum up most of the items in one: liberalism
2019-09-12 02:13
flag checks out
2019-09-12 06:58
Go away neo fascist
2019-09-12 03:09
+1
2019-09-12 05:26
#40
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Syria [0x0] 
That's called Liberalism
2019-09-12 05:15
#16
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Germany RobiDable 
I often come to the conclusion that it is an Sad shadow of what it used to be with strong values and integrity
2019-09-12 02:10
#18
Per0N | 
Venezuela 643 
Well, you're german, read Oswald Spengler and you'll have a pretty fucking good answer
2019-09-12 02:14
Not german, fake flag
2019-09-12 03:09
#41
Per0N | 
Venezuela 643 
My suggestion remains. Read "The decline of the west"
2019-09-12 05:16
Ok one I would never give two fucks about what a guy from early 1900s says about western society today. And I cant read.
2019-09-12 05:37
#133
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Czech Republic Noxar 
This. But our b8ter German OP here is a retard as one can see by his replies to you and others, so ignore him.
2019-09-17 16:17
am not mate :)
2019-09-17 16:42
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Kazakhstan Elietsch 
The gist of western values comes from the Enlightenment. Which is really what sets the Western and Arabic world apart. We had our showdown with religious dogma. They haven't (yet). Don't believe people who talk about "Christian Values". That's exactly what the Enlightenment dealt with. The idea of a uniform relationship to God instead of an individual one. In essence you can boil it down to liberalism and personal freedom.
2019-09-12 02:17
Is agree :)) suppriesed to hear this take on hltv
2019-09-12 03:08
#25
EliGE | 
Kazakhstan Elietsch 
Just to correct myself as it sounded backwards: The Enlightenment brought forth the idea that God is a personal relationship instead of a societal one (ie layers of hierarchies as seen in Catholicism for instance. The idea that the Pope is in "better contact" with God than you is some of the things the reformation and Enlightenment dealt with. God became a personal figure).
2019-09-12 03:15
#21
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Asia antrix 
I think it is an Sad shadow of what it used to be with strong values and integrity.
2019-09-12 02:48
The basis of thinkers. The founding principles upon which intellectualism was created. Societies that hold values of democracy liberty and freedom.
2019-09-12 03:59
And how is thta not present today
2019-09-12 04:12
It is. People are just mad
2019-09-12 12:08
So apparently EU education > NA education but somehow you cant seem to figure out what western society is without the help of hltv.org? Nice attempt at a bait thread kiddo...
2019-09-12 04:27
I wasnt legitimately asking now was I. Also yes it is what I am known for :)
2019-09-12 04:42
NT tiny mustache guy
2019-09-12 04:43
#39
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Austria Schwerpunkt 
WTF he was Austrian not German take it back 😡😡
2019-09-12 05:13
......so you want Hitler?
2019-09-12 05:35
#62
Finland Fpot 
Ofc?
2019-09-12 06:15
#43
kNgV- | 
Japan kayenji 
western society is what made western society great, before the liberalism took over
2019-09-12 05:17
Liberalism is western society. If anything describes western society is liberal values
2019-09-12 05:34
There is no real western country right now , the closest one is U.S and Hong Kong too before , right now probably not anymore. Theres really only been 3 western countries. 1776-1909 U.S 1880-1910 U.K 1853-1929 Argentina Dont give a fuck what none of you say.
2019-09-12 05:22
Dumbo is what I would call you
2019-09-12 05:34
#60
Finland Fpot 
Argentina Western country :DDDDD
2019-09-12 06:14
Name me 1 country that abolished slavery in its first constitution....there's only 1 ":DDDDD"
2019-09-12 06:15
That doesnt make you western
2019-09-12 06:16
hmmmm the one country that has always denied people of freedom of speech is trying to tell me what western is , you dont have the first clue what western values are , the cringe is off the charts on this one.
2019-09-12 06:18
You just posted cringe, your going to lose subscriber
2019-09-12 06:20
Couldn't care less , nazi leftist fascist cuck trying to redefine Western Values has the gutt to call anything cringe. oofffff
2019-09-12 06:21
"nazi leftist fascist cuck" do you have a buzzword generator? id like it
2019-09-12 15:55
Nah , just a pair of eyes and one big brain.
2019-09-12 17:34
That I am infact a nazi leftist fascist cuck?
2019-09-12 18:27
Probably , yeah.
2019-09-12 18:29
Because I questioned your line of reasoning?
2019-09-12 18:48
nop
2019-09-12 18:49
#49
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Germany Xantennn 
Fakeflagger detected
2019-09-12 05:36
Obvi, I have said it 2 times in the thread
2019-09-12 05:37
#53
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Germany Xantennn 
I have not read your shitty thread
2019-09-12 05:39
Ok mate stay angry for no reason LMAO
2019-09-12 05:45
Logic. Emotion is the absence of logic and all this Saudi-Arabia IS and other crap is built on really really really strong and wrong emotions.
2019-09-12 06:10
#59
Finland Fpot 
God point, i was thinking about the biggest separation and has to be decisions with logic rather than lol religion
2019-09-12 06:13
False, conservatives exist
2019-09-12 06:17
I never said we use logic in every part of our life. The German laws (most of them not all) based on logic and that is the basis for a society... the law. Logic doesn't mean there is only one conclusion on topics as an example "Abortion" or "cloning" or "death penalty". I mean for myself these answers are clear but not for everyone in the world.
2019-09-12 06:24
#58
Finland Fpot 
Whatever it is, it sure is better than the other socities who all ended up shitholes
2019-09-12 06:12
You can argue that yes
2019-09-12 06:17
#74
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Australia Rezonact 
We live in a society.
2019-09-12 06:28
#80
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Russia Svyatoy_Otec 
NA and Western Europe
2019-09-12 06:56
thanks
2019-09-12 12:11
+australia
2019-09-12 12:12
Flag checks out
2019-09-12 12:58
#102
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Argentina Cushiion 
What is the Nazi´s ideas and what is the point of preserving it?
2019-09-12 18:59
Is say nazi views were german superiority and anti semitism. And I dont see a point to preserve it :)))
2019-09-12 19:26
#110
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United States Nohj_ 
RESSES PUFFS RESSES PUFFS EAT EM UP EAT EM UP EAT EM UP AOOOOOOOO
2019-09-17 15:39
+1
2019-09-17 15:54
This is where your lazy ass that can't read anything lives
2019-09-17 15:57
no, I was asking what people consider western society. but you can't read anything about it because its not a thing :)))
2019-09-17 15:59
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