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HAHAHAHAHA BARELY BEATING VP AND THEY ARE #4 IN THE WORLD LOL BIGGEST FLUKE OF ALL TIME
2019-09-16 19:23
They're tired af, if they were not, they would smash vp
2019-09-16 19:24
#3
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Brazil sinisterkid 
nt VP era is coming
2019-09-16 19:25
there's neo taz pasza byali missing to have an era
2019-09-16 19:25
You forgot Snax is missing as well. He has been shit lol
2019-09-16 19:44
#5
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Poland LiquidWater 
Tired? What tired of what? Playing csgo? HAHAHAHA shut up. They are playing a video game that doesn't tire anyone. Oh my im moving my fingers so tired.
2019-09-16 19:25
They have played so much lately, official games plus tons of praccing
2019-09-16 19:26
#16
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Poland LiquidWater 
Oh man my fingers so tired from playing my hand so tired no. Shut up with this tired you cannot be tired from playing a video game.
2019-09-16 19:30
pure cancer of VP fan
2019-09-16 19:32
#28
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Poland LiquidWater 
Okay so lets see. From kazahstan to poland for bootcamp before major. Flight less than 1h 30min 7 days later From poland to berlin after a week of bootcamp. Flight less than 1 hour. 3 weeks later From Berlin to Moscow. 2 hour 30 minute max flight. 1 day later back home to kazahstan, probably rest that day 1 day and 16 hours of full rest. So you can say 2 days of rest before this match oooh i can't play this online match to my full potential i am so tirred oh ma gawd. Shut up, lmao the amount of rest they have, its not like they have to play 1 hour after they landed home or something.
2019-09-16 19:38
VP - whole month of doing absolutely nothing lmaoo
2019-09-16 19:47
#106
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Sweden Madrigals1 
year*
2019-09-17 06:22
#196
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Malta jazhet 
2 years*
2019-09-18 07:00
When you play on pro scene, you think so fucking lot. You become tired, because you are thinking, not just dumb playing
2019-09-16 20:11
Came to Kazakhstan, had fanmeeting with lots of fans. Flied back today to Kiev, so they can play with good ping. +Jetlag and yes I got baited to reply so 8/8, just wanted to clarify what actually happenned.
2019-09-16 20:35
+2
2019-09-16 19:38
+3
2019-09-16 20:10
#101
Sico | 
Australia t0rrent 
Hahaha based
2019-09-17 05:49
#17
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Poland LiquidWater 
What tired how tell me how can they be tired? They don't sleep? They don't eat?
2019-09-16 19:31
#35
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Europe ArtemGG 
They played in two finals in front of huge crowds, they are stressed out. Just look at Jame's face before the match against forze, you can see how exhausted he is
2019-09-16 19:43
+1 but actually they had a more important match in an hour so they forfeited
2019-09-17 06:48
+ they are flying a lot
2019-09-16 19:31
#22
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Poland LiquidWater 
Flying a lot? They fly from poland to berlin which is like 30 minutes. Fly from berlin to moscow like 3 weeks later moscow to home and had 2 days rest. SOOOO TIRED, so tired can't get my energy back after 2 days after like 1 hour 30 minute max flight back to kazahstan.
2019-09-16 19:33
idiot...
2019-09-16 19:36
#29
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Poland LiquidWater 
#28 noob
2019-09-16 19:37
looks like u never traveled by plane
2019-09-16 19:52
#53
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Poland LiquidWater 
I did, nothing tiring about it. I enjoy flying. Worst thing is boarding than actually flying.
2019-09-16 20:07
#56
MINISE | 
Europe Cirro 
u are so stupid omg
2019-09-16 20:10
Anyone who plays at least at MG1 thinks about his playstyle, his opponent's playstyle, his moves
2019-09-16 20:12
#21
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Poland godBASR 
omg 5iq u have no brain
2019-09-16 19:32
#23
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Poland LiquidWater 
0/8 u
2019-09-16 19:33
#62
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United States wokebumpty 
it's easy for you to say being a silver who goes into comp matches just having to shoot people rather than having to study up on your opponents and their playstyles, dealing with the stress of being a pro, etc.
2019-09-16 20:23
#64
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Poland LiquidWater 
"being a silver" pretty sure only silvers call other players silvers lmao, deluded american.
2019-09-16 20:25
Virtus pro trash team, Poland has not done anything meaningful in cs in 2 years. Please stop crying on this HLTV thread and insulting people be uses your opinion is wrong. Have a nice day!
2019-09-16 22:36
#81
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Poland LiquidWater 
Hardly insulted anyone. NA cs has not done anything lmao. 1 week cloud9 6 months liquid. BIG WHOOP. VP dominated for 4.5 years
2019-09-17 00:13
XAXAXAXAXAXAXA 4.5 YEARS? BARELY WON A MAJOR. THIS SHIT TEAM WAS TOP 5 FOR 3 YEARS MAXIMUM, AND ONE OF THOSE TIMES WAS WHEN GAMBIT WON MAJOR XAXAXAXAXA CLOUD9 1 MAJOR POLAND 1 MAJOR LIQUID 1 GRAND SLAM POLAND 0 LIQUID MOST DOMINANT TOURNAMENT STREAK EVER, SEVEN IN A ROW VP BARELY WON 7 PREMIERE EVENTS AXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA And I would also like to add, have a nice day!
2019-09-17 02:39
#90
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i dont know who i hate more
2019-09-17 02:56
VP and NaVi fans what do you expect
2019-09-17 02:57
+1
2019-09-17 05:37
#103
Sico | 
Australia t0rrent 
Actually 6 in a row, matching astralis who has a major in their streak
2019-09-17 05:52
Fnatic had a longer tournament streak when Dennis joined the team actually before Olof got injured then it all went to shit.
2019-09-18 06:46
#102
Sico | 
Australia t0rrent 
More like 3 months liquid
2019-09-17 05:51
Vp.never dominated, just fluke major and
2019-09-17 22:26
#184
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Poland LiquidWater 
Nice obvious 0/8 bait. Maybe take off that cloud9 flair and i might've fallen for it.
2019-09-17 22:59
Don't see a reason to do it, it just beautiful
2019-09-18 06:31
#199
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United States wokebumpty 
me being silver doesn't change the fact that you're silver AND your opinion is shit
2019-09-19 17:41
#200
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Poland LiquidWater 
Okay think what you think. Say what makes you happy.
2019-09-19 17:48
I’m getting tired after 40 min of cs. I can’t play this more
2019-09-16 21:46
So we just forget that people are not machines? That there's things like staying up and jetlags? We forget that pros play way more than 40 minutes but up to hours and hours of games just to get better? hmmm alright
2019-09-17 03:09
#104
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Sweden Madrigals1 
playing stressfull game in front of a crowd, with lots of training and analysing, lots of flights and jetlags isn't as easy as cleaning toilets
2019-09-17 06:21
brainless
2019-09-17 06:32
#119
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Palestine MrZoldiK 
Haven't you tried to play in a tournament for a long time?
2019-09-17 08:46
You are such stupid you play 10 hours a week at a silver lvl and after you cry against other pro team but those guys play so much you just loose your motivation at least
2019-09-17 08:51
#123
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Russia grosamalo 
they flew in from Moscow and immediately play with BIG and Virtus Pro When it will disband this Polish trash and collect the normal Russian/CIS squad )
2019-09-17 08:51
#140
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Poland LiquidWater 
u mad b
2019-09-17 17:44
#197
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Russia grosamalo 
i know
2019-09-18 09:08
You must be a special kind of stupid :)
2019-09-17 22:24
Absolutely 0 iq
2019-09-17 22:25
+1 germany / russia / now online match's but they are not top4 maybe top6
2019-09-16 19:25
Flag doesn't check out
2019-09-18 05:22
+1 they have been playing like hella games in the past 2 weeks
2019-09-18 06:33
jame is saving, u cant expect 16-0
2019-09-16 19:24
#4
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Afghanistan RipFavela 
Fluke9 Flukegar Pick the worst one
2019-09-16 19:25
Flukegar cuz Fluke9 gave us a good final at least
2019-09-16 19:44
#46
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Afghanistan RipFavela 
True story
2019-09-16 19:53
#73
oBo | 
Finland Juhousiwan 
Sounds about right
2019-09-16 21:41
Astralis the fluke destroyer back to back.
2019-09-17 02:56
#6
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Kazakhstan joegarn 
they're just exhausted doesnt mean they don't deserve it fair enough
2019-09-16 19:25
#65
kNgV- | 
Italy InSuu 
+1
2019-09-16 20:26
#7
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Reunion HOMO_ERECTUS 
Lets go virus.pro
2019-09-16 19:25
#10
rain | 
Greece Leoliva 
they will stin win tho. plus its just an online game and they have like 2 more chances on the other ecs weeks so whats the point of tryharding. you just came 1st at blast and 2nd on the major take some chill
2019-09-16 19:25
#120
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Palestine MrZoldiK 
+1
2019-09-17 08:46
#11
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Russia ToughGuy 
lol 1 point from #3
2019-09-16 19:26
1 point behind 3
2019-09-16 19:26
#13
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Russia ToughGuy 
btw cry is free mad idiot
2019-09-16 19:26
nt vodka
2019-09-16 21:44
#77
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Russia ToughGuy 
gonna cry?
2019-09-16 21:51
nah
2019-09-17 15:03
online cs in 2019 omegalul especially by cis teams
2019-09-16 19:27
+1
2019-09-17 15:03
#19
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Brazil bernog 
+1
2019-09-16 19:31
#24
tabseN | 
Turkey M@CHINE 
Still better than Vita and Ence :)
2019-09-16 19:35
vita shit ence shit avangar almost shit
2019-09-17 15:04
avangar is better than vita ence gambit and immortals they have Jame so thats their biggest extra
2019-09-17 15:13
that's right but still they dont deserve top 4
2019-09-17 15:24
they just beat vita rng and g2 for being top 5 :)
2019-09-17 15:28
give a 3rd worlders a bunch of money and see what happens...
2019-09-16 19:36
flag checks out
2019-09-16 19:43
not gonna even try... autism isn't fixable after all
2019-09-16 19:45
Ye u can’t be normal person anyway
2019-09-16 19:52
there there special guy
2019-09-16 19:53
Portugal making fun of 3rd world countries Ironic
2019-09-17 08:53
Let me explain you one thing romaninan dude, we might be in debt, but we are developed, even the poorest familys have decent conditions of life, cause our gouvernament helps with it. You are the last to talk, when your kind imigrates to Portugal to fucking beg, not to work, to beg. Imagine a portuguese imigrating to Romania to beg? Not in this life time.
2019-09-17 09:20
HOW cR4ZY LOST 5 RANK
2019-09-16 19:39
cUz it'S Cr4zY
2019-09-16 19:42
#32
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
I think that Avangard has no place at the moment in the top 5, but it's up to them to prove the opposite in the future
2019-09-16 19:40
#52
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Russia good1s0n 
Legitimately curious, what 5 teams do you think are better than avangar at the moment?
2019-09-16 20:04
#61
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Astra, Liquid, Vita, Ence, NRG
2019-09-16 20:14
#66
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
mouse, navi ( s1mple ), g2 (no throw ), faze
2019-09-16 20:26
#68
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Russia good1s0n 
ast + tl of course nrg agree as well avg beat vitality in a bo3 at the major no relevant data of new ence with sunny, so far really poor mouz new roster, no convincing relevant results, high potential but even less proven than avangar navi dead roster, will maybe get better after the lineup changes, not convincing at all so far g2 have not beaten a solid opponent in months, "no throw" basically means if kenny and shox go off and everyone hits their shots, not relevant to current form faze? come on, just a bunch of big names (either washed up or slumping really hard)
2019-09-16 21:23
#75
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
I knew you were going to answer with such weak arguments, but I do not expect to answer you with other arguments. We should wait for the next tournaments Ps: They did not beat Vitality a 100%
2019-09-16 21:45
#78
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Russia good1s0n 
weak arguments? you have not provided any at all yesyes, vitality are never at 100%, BUT WHEN THEY ARE ofc they will beat everyone stop with this bs, there is only this reality and no "if"s and "but"s
2019-09-16 22:27
#79
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Precisely because I prefer to wait, so no interest to argue with you.
2019-09-16 22:30
#83
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Russia good1s0n 
>> i prefer to wait >> avangar have no place in the top 5 that's exactly why i asked surely vitality can get much better with shox, mouz can peak higher, Na'Vi of FaZe might get their shit together BUT RIGHT NOW are any of these teams actually better? if you think so, then evidence is required. Currently, there are not more than 4 teams that are certainly better than avangar.
2019-09-17 00:40
#84
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
"I think" Avangar is not invincible, you overestimate them. In the top 20 (except Liquid and Astralis) everyone can fight, we must not believe that avangar is not in the mix. Everyone said Furia was invincible, we do not see them anymore. So do not spoil it with Avangar, it's a great team! They just have to continue like this and do like Vitality, a good lan to beat the strongest teams in this game (Cologne for Vitality)
2019-09-17 01:25
#109
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South Africa nimmaJ 
So basically what you're saying is that you have a biased and non-objective opinion. If Avangar are consistently beating other top 5 teams that leads to the conclusion that they should be top 5. Point of the major is to bring your A game. Avangar proved what they needed to to break into the top 5 post-major.
2019-09-17 06:45
#128
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
That's it, we must still show good things for Avangar, even the blast is not enough (especially when we see the matches)
2019-09-17 13:11
#141
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Maybe its not enough for you because you're biased. But objectively placing 2nd and 1st in the 2 big events after the break is enough to be ranked top 5. Especially when they beat numerous other top 10 teams to get there including the world #1
2019-09-17 20:01
#142
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Later we shall see.
2019-09-17 20:19
#143
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Later is irrelevant because the ranking I'm speaking on is the ranking for this week. Later will involve other tournaments in which anything could happen. For all we know Heroic could win 3 tournaments in a row and be top 1.
2019-09-17 20:21
#144
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
For me the teams work to stay in the top 5 not to stay a week. And I think Avangar prefers to stay in the top 5. So we'll see later
2019-09-17 20:47
#145
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Doesnt change the fact that right now they belong in the top 5. That may change but right now it is objectively true.
2019-09-17 20:52
#148
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Maybe this week, but not for a month, two months, three months
2019-09-17 20:57
#149
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Pure speculation. You have no idea what the future holds, stop pretending like you're some type of seer.
2019-09-17 20:59
#150
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
"I think" is not a total affirmation. But on paper, Avangar is below a lot of top 15 teams. So, waiting for the next events is mandatory to know if they deserve to be considered as a real team of the current top 5, and not just passing .
2019-09-17 21:03
#151
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You're right its not, its bias. On paper doesnt mean shit. On paper G2 should literally never lose to Renegades or Avangar but they do because of other factors such as preperation, cohesion, and tactics. The fact that you're choosing to wait till the next events means you know your argument has failed. They deserve to be ranked top 5 right now and that's the end of it. Whether that fact changes or not remains to be seen. The current top 5 includes Avangar and they're just as real as any other team is. /closed
2019-09-17 21:10
#152
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Currently yes, because all other teams are under construction or reconstruction. But as soon as they fall on a team in place, they are absent. (except Liquid and again, it was a bo1)
2019-09-17 21:10
#153
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Pure speculation
2019-09-17 21:11
#155
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Yes, and loving Avangar players, I hope I'm wrong
2019-09-17 21:12
#156
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South Africa nimmaJ 
As long as you understand that speculation is pure bias and has no objective truth to it.
2019-09-17 21:14
#157
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
I totally agree is that a personal opinion
2019-09-17 21:15
#159
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Then you agree that saying "Avangar have no place in the top 5" was ignorant and false, objectively
2019-09-17 21:17
#160
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
" I think "
2019-09-17 21:18
#163
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South Africa nimmaJ 
And you thought with bias not facts.
2019-09-17 21:19
#164
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
It's my opinion, we talked about it, so it's not false as true.
2019-09-17 21:19
#173
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope it was the ranking of Avangar we talked about and your opinion was biased and non-objective
2019-09-17 21:38
#175
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
You do not even understand what I'm saying and you come to tell me that I'm not objective. You do not even try to understand my opinion.
2019-09-17 21:39
#176
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I completely understand your biased opinion and that's all it is.
2019-09-17 22:08
#158
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
And I could be wrong, I hope for them, but I remain dubious.
2019-09-17 21:17
#161
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Dubious about the future is fine but to say they dont belong at their current given ranking is silly.
2019-09-17 21:18
#165
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
They belong to the top 5 currently, it's on paper, only because they were in the final of major and winning a blast. However, did they beat teams like Astralis and Liquid in bo3? No. I said, I think and not "they do not deserve". Only the future will tell us.
2019-09-17 21:23
#166
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South Africa nimmaJ 
They didn't beat Astralis and Liquid no but the only teams that beat Astralis and Liquid are Astralis and Liquid. They beat numerous other top 10 teams such as G2, Vitality, Renegades (who 2-0d Ence). By your logic the only teams that should be top 5 are Astralis and Liquid, now how does that make any sense? You made a biased and ignorant statement end of story
2019-09-17 21:26
#169
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Renegades top 16/17 G2 underperformance Vitality under performance and especially a player expected to go on the bench. Then I think that the current teams in the top 5 are indeed Liquid, Astralis, Nrg, Avangar and for the fifth it is difficult to find an answer. But me when I say: I think they do not deserve to be in the top 5 "I speak in time and not in the present, I have not expressed the top.
2019-09-17 21:30
#170
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Renegades are ranked 9th now buddy G2 didn't underperform they're just inconsistent. They lost to FrenchFrogs on LAN a month ago. Vitality had no plans of making changes previous to the major. Funny how at the beginning you said they have no place and now you're putting them in your top 4. Guess my work here is done since you've completely turned your stance around
2019-09-17 21:34
#172
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Renegades was top 17 before the major. G2 is an under performance. Vitality of course, in secret, put NBK on the bench. Then, currently of course they are in the top 5 because all the other teams are under construction or rebuilding, however, they deserve to stay in the top 5, to be considered as a team of the top 5. I do not know no, I remain dubious.
2019-09-17 21:37
#178
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You're entitled to your opinions and feelings but stop making things up about the teams to.make them seem true. Vitality had no plans of making changes before the major. It was because of their result that they did, same with G2. G2 always loses to underdogs it's not an underperformance if it's a consistent phenomenon
2019-09-17 22:21
#171
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Exactly your comments are based on biased speculation not facts. And that is why you have 0 stake in this argument. /closed
2019-09-17 21:36
#174
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
You think what you want, I take into account their journey during this year, not just during two events.
2019-09-17 21:38
#177
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Which means your ranking has a diff goal than HLTVs
2019-09-17 22:08
#183
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Vitality's team wanted to secretly put on the NBK bench. Few people know it, but it has been said internally. For the rest of our debate, I did not speak well at the beginning of our conversation, because of that, you can not understand me. So, as you said before: closed Ps: I will not answer you, good evening. (In addition we can not see anything when we speak)
2019-09-17 22:56
#186
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope what you're spreading is a rumor. They would not have benched him if they went deep at the major
2019-09-18 04:00
#198
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Kazakhstan MahNinja 
+133626277373
2019-09-18 09:17
LMAO Avangar beat Vitality,G2 in the major in a BO3 and Na’vi in BLAST BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE BETTER? AND MOUZ? AHAHHAA fucking french shit Avangar demolsihed your scene Avangar>>>>>>>whole french scene gtfo dumb fuck
2019-09-17 06:54
#129
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Argumented on each team with a bo3 and a bo1, on 10 matches against Vitality they will win 10 times out of 10? No. Against G2? No. Against Mouseport? No. I can go on a long time
2019-09-17 13:13
#130
ALEX | 
France MrWowo 
Avangar has nothing demolished at all. ^^
2019-09-17 13:13
cry is free it is only an online match that they can surely compensate losing
2019-09-16 19:41
Cry is free
2019-09-16 19:46
#42
EliGE | 
United States EdgyBlob 
The cry is affordable.
2019-09-16 19:47
??? They did Major Final, and now they won BLAST Pro Series to confirm that it wasnt fluke. Absolutely deserved.
2019-09-16 19:54
#49
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Russia Geograt 
Clown9 was even top3
2019-09-16 19:55
They're good though, can't deny that
2019-09-16 19:56
They won Blast Major Grand Final fluke? LUL
2019-09-16 19:57
#70
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Brazil zfelipesds 
Ence won Blast Ence Major Grand Final x Astralis And where are Ence now??
2019-09-16 21:25
Because they are stupid removing best igl for idiot sunny
2019-09-16 21:29
#72
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Brazil zfelipesds 
Ence(top3) was beaten by Renegades(top18) in Major's final And with Aleskbi on team
2019-09-16 21:33
#86
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Europe gayzera 
Are u on drugs, it was quarterfinals
2019-09-17 02:48
#139
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Brazil zfelipesds 
You are 12 years old, clearly I meant the quarterfinals. Do not be stupid. There is no universe where Renegades goes to the major final
2019-09-17 17:24
#185
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Europe gayzera 
if i am 12 years old then you are 10
2019-09-18 02:23
#72 I didnt know that Renegades won the major.
2019-09-17 07:03
Sure, with Aleksib that knew about his teams' decision. I too wouldn't want a traitor team to win sth. Aleksib got my respect for securing legend status btw.
2019-09-17 07:33
+1
2019-09-17 08:41
They stayed in top 5 for majority of the year lmao?
2019-09-17 21:18
#54
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Iraq DuncanAK 
Personally i think they deserve top 3 actually not top 4
2019-09-16 20:09
#58
MINISE | 
Europe Cirro 
2019-09-16 20:11
O MA GAD NAMBA WAN TIM LUSE TO DIS TIER FORTI TIM?????????? HAHA MENS TRESH)))))))
2019-09-17 05:40
are u stupid?
2019-09-16 20:13
shut the fuck up AVG is good team
2019-09-16 20:24
Cause vita and ence lost a points.
2019-09-16 21:25
It's not really avangar are #4 it's more of other t1 teams being dogshit
2019-09-17 00:18
#192
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Yeah #4 but A-
2019-09-18 06:38
#87
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Europe gayzera 
Jetlag, they fly from Almaty to Kiev, not important match, they already got spot for ECS. They are tired af
2019-09-17 02:49
yeah they are gonna get smashed by fnatic tomorrow
2019-09-17 02:51
I just hope Golden "I Stay"s and he doesn't get fucked up the ass by the fnatic players again
2019-09-17 02:53
This ranking bit overrated, but they defenently is top7-10 right now
2019-09-17 03:00
#110
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope top 5 makes sense. They beat Vitality to get that far at the Major. If Vitality were the better team currently they would have won that match and wouldn't be making roster changes, same with Navi, g2, ence.
2019-09-17 06:47
maybe cuz alot teams has shuffles its makes sense but in my opinion AVANGAR isnt better than ENCE (old lineup) , they isnt better than Mouz, and Vitality absolutety failed this Major, so i think they just got right moment to show up cuz other teams has alot problems thats it
2019-09-17 06:52
#115
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Your opinion clearly isnt objective. Mouz havent shown anything vs elite teams and are very overhyped due to namesake. Nothing theyve done indicates they are elite or capable of winning tournaments. They're right around the same level Ence is and with their finals being more recent their form and LAN events are superior, combined with the fact that Ence made changes and only 4/5 of their roster is credited for previous tournament wins it makes perfect sense that Avangar are ranked higher. Not to mention you cant just say (old lineup) ence made changes for a reason and on top of that changed arguably the most important member, their IGL. Its complete speculation what the new Ence will look like. Failure is how you get outranked. If Vitality had won that bo3 theyd be ranked higher, its completely on them, they controlled their own destiny and like you said "failed"
2019-09-17 07:21
+1
2019-09-17 20:53
Onlinebruh
2019-09-17 03:05
Thinking online tournaments are the real competition Bruh.wav
2019-09-17 05:39
YOU KNOW ITS A BAIT THREAD WHEN THE POST IS IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS
2019-09-17 05:43
#100
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Russia anleet 
everything checks out 0/8
2019-09-17 05:48
#105
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Armenia GaRY56 
VP Lel
2019-09-17 06:22
you must be silver lol astralis ever lost to noob teams too that doesn't mean they are fluke team you talk shit like twitch chat
2019-09-17 06:31
stfu, Lanvangar deserves it.
2019-09-17 08:05
#121
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Palestine MrZoldiK 
Heater detected
2019-09-17 08:47
Lol do you seriously believe that runners up at major and winner of blast 1 week later is a fluke?
2019-09-17 08:57
liquid fluked their way into top1 so yes
2019-09-17 21:11
ok
2019-09-17 09:21
deserved. they working hard. BIG can't approach #4 sure
2019-09-17 13:17
nice fluke
2019-09-17 15:29
they're just tired
2019-09-17 20:54
#167
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Ye, sure buddy.
2019-09-17 21:27
#168
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Poland Stewie0Kills 
they are not playing seriously, they forfeited 1 map yesterday, they are having break now and not preparing to any games.
2019-09-17 21:28
#181
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Europe FJUL 
major finalist = top #2 in the world
2019-09-17 22:26
How can you win something when Avangar throwing their match vs polish team because probably they were tired and not interested in this match. But after they played another shit tournament with 10.000 euro prize pool and try hard against Fnatic winning 2-1 by maps. Totally no logic!
2019-09-18 05:06
#188
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France hqx- 
Hello guys, i need to post replies before i can create my own topic so here i am
2019-09-18 05:18
Ok
2019-09-18 06:52
the cry is free
2019-09-18 06:39
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