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Gibraltar
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Germany Bier 
So what do you think about the causa Gibraltar? It's a piece of land next to spain that always belonged to spain in history. Because of some events in the past britain got control over it but spain always claimed this territory aswell and still demands it back. Because of the Brexit, where the vast majority of gibraltian citizens voted in favour of the eu and the ongoing tensions between spain and the UK, do you think spain should get this territory back? Should Gibraltar stay in the UK or even become independent? After all this is a pretty worthless piece of land we're talking about so britain would not lose much. Tl;dr: Should Gibraltar stay in the UK, become a piece of spain or even become independent?
2019-09-17 09:37
#1
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Reunion Esquinox 
stay in the UK
2019-09-17 09:38
-1 i think it should be given back to north africa, belonged to them even over a thousand years ago
2019-09-17 10:33
#23
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Netherlands gay_marriage 
no spain or independent
2019-09-17 10:37
#45
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United States Gabriel955 
i think it should be given back to the roman empire or maybe even the carthigians because it belonged to them like 2000 years ago... 10iq logic its definitely culturally european.
2019-09-18 15:53
"culturally european" what is european culture exactly? lul
2019-09-18 17:59
#59
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United States Gabriel955 
what lmfao
2019-09-18 21:17
#60
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United States Gabriel955 
you dont know what the difference between european culture and north african culture is?
2019-09-18 21:18
cuzzz muh europeeen culture "superior"? 🤣
2019-09-18 23:59
#69
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United States Gabriel955 
no its just different you dumb arse
2019-09-19 15:58
making it independent would make zero sense
2019-09-17 09:42
#9
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Germany Bier 
Why? They could become a tax heaven like monaco/ andorra. I think their biggest tradepartner is the eu anyway (not sure tho)
2019-09-17 09:46
#3
TrilluXe | 
Germany OfenK 
tldr but nice nick LuL
2019-09-17 09:43
#4
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Germany Bier 
Tl;dr: Should Gibraltar stay in the UK, become a piece of spain or even become independent?
2019-09-17 09:44
#5
TrilluXe | 
Germany OfenK 
indipendence it is
2019-09-17 09:44
Gibaltar is literally so small you cant even see it on a map. To think that Gibaltar should reunite with the province of lower Andalusia in spain is hilarious, considering that that place is a total shithole, as much as Brittain has no right to hold Gibaltar the spanish government is too decadent and corrupt to properly assert a claim over it. Making Gilbaltar independent is literally completely pointless although eventually it will become majority British or be returned to Spain.
2019-09-17 09:46
#20
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Portugal NabasKi 
+1
2019-09-17 10:21
The UK has every right to hold Gibraltar. It was taken as part of a peace deal in 1713 and has been held since then. If owning a piece of land for 300 years doesn't make it yours then I would like Germany to split up and Poland to give more land to Lithuania so their country can become big again. Russia would also have to split into Muscovy and Novgorod. I could go on...
2019-09-18 13:38
+1 people that say it should go to spain are retards
2019-09-18 13:53
#53
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Reunion Merovech 
+1 literally people who just found out Gibraltar is owned by the U.K., and want to demonstrate their knowledge.
2019-09-18 20:15
#42
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Germany Bier 
what is with #37
2019-09-18 15:45
Spain can ask for it back but it wont get it. Gibraltar wants to remain British. If it didn't want to be part of the UK then it could easily ask for another vote. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gibraltar_sov..
2019-09-18 16:36
You have no idea what the word right even means, and least diplomatically, you have the right to hold territory if you can stave off the claims and efforts of other people to take it from you. As usual brits are brainwashed and have no idea how geopolitics work on talk about how dumb people who attack GBR are.
2019-09-18 19:25
And you have no idea about the situation of Gibraltar. It is a UK overseas territory which has a population that wants to remain part of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom DOES have a right of control over Gibraltar same as Germany having rights over Bavaria etc... But once again the no-flags of HLTV go straight to insulting countries because they have no argument. Your basis of the UK having no right to hold Gibraltar is actually a joke and I think you need some mental help / first hand experience within Gibraltar and stop thinking you understand politics etc...
2019-09-18 19:57
I have a very good idea, the UK conquereed it from spain, and it repopulated the province over a period of 100s of years, I never even disagreed with you but obviously you being a brit naturally think that everyone is attacking your glorious empire of exclaves smaller than some public parks. I never said that UK had no right to hold Gilbaltar and you obviously have no idea how geopolitics work, you think countries have "rights" what you have the right to do is only what you can do, the United States doesn't have the right to overthrow foreign governments but it can, so what is t has the right to do is entirely moral arguement that always exposing the onesidedness of the person arguing it. You obviously think that no matter what GBR does it has the right to do so, which isl bullshit rhetoric.
2019-09-18 20:11
Are you stupid? Where did I say the UK has a right to do whatever it wants? If you conquer and control land and guarantee its population you gain a right of ownership over it. Especially when the people DEMOCRATICALLY vote to stay within your country. The UK also doesn't have an empire anymore so I don't understand why you are trying to act like we still do? But once again you attack me for being a "Brit". Seek mental help, goodbye.
2019-09-19 01:22
You are literally arguing with someone who never opposed you, you are the only one in this thread that seeks mental health, you already see anything that shows the slightest disdain or deviance from reverance towards the UK as aggression and hostility, you say that UK citizens imported to an Iberian province demcoratically repersent the will of the people of Gilbaltar, yet they entirely British and were sent there to insure that the UK could hold on to the province past its eclispe. You literally think I attack for you being a brit, I attack you for being an idiot, and for actingl ike a total mutt. God save the Queen from having to brainwash people as dumb as you all the time. You cant even spell read your last sentence, and you assert my thoughts when I make them quite clear,the whole idea of right to do this or that is propaganda, what you have the right to do is only based on what you have the ability to enforce your actions. Saudis kill a journalist it may not be in their right but there is no retribution in reality, do you think the treaty of verasilles and NATO were established to ensure peace and prosperity and the respect of the sovereignity of nations? Absolutely not, all I have said that the UK like almost every other state on this planet will infringe upon your idea of rights, but you will dismiss this because you are a member of the UK, you are a textbook nationalist who will in the same breath condemn an action of the same nature you proclaim as righteous. I never said the UK was wrong to hold on to Gibraltar, I never established a precedent of morality and I never condemned the UK you are just saying that I did because I presented actions of the Uk which you would consider to be a condemnation of them since you think that such actions if they occurred were morally incorrect, which they aren't
2019-09-19 02:07
Gibraltar is not a real country, either its UK or they sell it to Spain.
2019-09-17 09:45
#11
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Germany Bier 
But why should spain pay for something that they own or better said claim anyway
2019-09-17 09:48
Diplomacy. Pay a fee, get your land, stay on good terms with UK. The idea of Gibraltar being independent is dumb as fuck, we played them 2 weeks ago and it was boring as fuuuuuck. Waste of time. Get them out of UEFA, please!
2019-09-17 09:53
#14
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Germany Bier 
Well they have 30k citizens. Ofc they have a shit team lol. Could work out like #9 tho IMO
2019-09-17 09:54
#38
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Portugal xxxRUI75xxx 
Gibraltar is not country and therefore I don´t understand why they have a national team. Makes no sense to me.
2019-09-18 13:32
#41
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Germany Bier 
i dunno either tbh
2019-09-18 15:42
#57
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Slovakia twat 
Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland have their own team so why not Gibraltar
2019-09-18 20:49
#61
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Portugal xxxRUI75xxx 
Wales, Scotland and England are countries (and a part of the UK). Northern Ireland`s status as a country is debatable (I don`t consider it a country but many do) and in my opinion shouldn't have a national football team too. But hey... I am not the one who decides... it's UEFA (and FIFA).... if they think that Gibraltar can have a "national" team so be it - even if I don't think it makes any sense.
2019-09-18 21:20
no way UK will give back a piece of land just because it belonged some centuries ago to Spain, during history borders and territories change, take into account the war between Argentina and UK for the Falklands Islands, Spain could only regain that territory by using force, UK could do a referendum for the citizens that live there but i doubt they would like to be a part of Spain since no spanish live there
2019-09-17 09:45
#10
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Greece Graecos 
Independance
2019-09-17 09:46
#17
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Germany Bier 
Lol JonnyE is around and deleted answers?! E: was probably in favour of britain lol
2019-09-17 10:07
Yes, troll answers, like the one you replied to, have been deleted.
2019-09-17 10:39
#27
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Germany Bier 
I don't even remember answering a troll comment lol
2019-09-17 10:59
#31
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Russia ToughGuy 
Jonathan can u pls answer me
2019-09-17 11:40
#19
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
It should be down to those that live and orignate from Gibraltar. Funnily enough they voted on this in June 2018 - what was the outcome? 99% voted to remain in the UK. /close
2019-09-17 10:18
#21
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Brazil kaiknux 
Locals should choose.
2019-09-17 10:31
#56
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Brazil kaiknux 
Oof As expected
2019-09-18 20:27
You do not mention the Treaty of Utrecht which is the one that lead to the cession of the citadel and the harbour to the UK. This is important to mention due to the dispute of what the Treaty states that is ceded and what the UK/Gibraltar claim belongs to them (f.e. the territorial waters). As an example, the recent capture of an Iranian oil tanker on request of the US by British forces. Additionally, part of the airport is build on Spanish soil. That soil was ceded in order to build a hospital during an outbreak of the plague which in the end was not build but Gibraltar kept it anyway. Besides the situation of Gibraltar is also under discussion in the Special Committee on Decolonization. Finally, in an unprecedented move, the EU qualified Gibraltar as a British colony in the Brexit papers whereas the UK still insists in seeing it as overseas territories. In the end, even though people try to discrete it as obsolete in order to "update" it incorporating new 'features' (territorial waters, right to independence etc.) , what matters is what the Treaty of Utrecht states. That is, the territory, as the colony it is, is either under the administration of the UK or returns to that of Spain. That it has no external territorial waters beyond the harbour and no right to independence. The existence of a colony of one country of the EU in the territory of another member has also been controversial due to its anachronism. It will be interesting to see how it evolves once the UK departs the EU.
2019-09-17 10:40
#33
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
And what did it's occupants decide in June 2018, Jonathan?
2019-09-17 11:43
What did they decide?
2019-09-18 13:13
MonkaS is him
2019-09-19 11:07
gibraltart is strategical and extream important to everybody from pure military point of view you just control whole 2,5mln km2 mediterranean sea
2019-09-17 10:48
"always belong to in history" has no means. its now controled by britain. you can win a war to change this, or simply shut up.
2019-09-17 11:15
if only every dumbfuck on earth understood this
2019-09-18 21:29
Gibraltar belong to Marocco.
2019-09-17 11:18
#30
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United Kingdom jellywank 
yeah and scotland should become independant aswell and london should become its own city state, keep all the gammons in one country where they can complain about muslims by themselves
2019-09-17 11:21
#34
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Scotland had that option, and decided against it. I don't blame them given they have an economy built on two products.
2019-09-17 11:44
#32
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Denmark Androfb 
Nobody wants to be in the UK.
2019-09-17 11:41
#36
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United States PsychoLogical 
Gibraltar is majority Briton now so it’s pointless. Besides Britain will NEVER give that rock up.
2019-09-18 13:16
#37
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Europe twitchy_ 
It's important for UK as a militar strategy land. In theory when they signed the agreement it was a transfer without territorial jurisdiction. So in fact, Spain government has the real right to ask it back, but I guess is complicated with all the bureaucratic/political thing being "friend" countries. By the way, with brexit we need to see how the border is gonna change, because if they need to ask passport to everybody and do proper controls to everyone, Gibraltar is doomed to failure.
2019-09-18 13:23
Also important because they have a point near the Mediterranean Sea.
2019-09-18 15:47
#44
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Spain Holiwis 
Hard to predict the outcome
2019-09-18 15:50
#54
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Portugal Eucalyptus12 
In gibraltar they use "Euro" so they will probably stay with a special agreement
2019-09-18 20:19
#58
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Netherlands NELK 
apex legend?
2019-09-18 20:51
caustic better
2019-09-18 21:21
#66
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Netherlands BigMarvin 
It’s Dutch
2019-09-19 01:23
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