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Kick karrigan
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CIS Trashus_Losere 
Most overrated IGL of all time. Shit player and toxic person who always been carried by his teammates(TSM, FaZe, and now mouz) Mouz without karrigan=Best mouz
2019-09-22 13:43
#1
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CIS Trashus_Losere 
even zeus is better
2019-09-22 13:46
#3
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Europe braxtey 
HE did great job to be honest!
2019-09-22 13:47
Sure... no. Wtf can he do when his stars are inconsistent af?
2019-09-22 13:47
#51
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Portugal OtioMarcelo 
frozen is doing pretty well, but ropz aint consistent and if im honest i never really liked woxic
2019-09-22 14:30
#54
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Lithuania arres 
When he plays, it seems that woxic's reaction and flicks are the best in the scene. However his decision making is hotheaded, to oportunistic. Basicaly he is way dumber than other top player who have simmilar mechanical abilities
2019-09-22 14:43
#55
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Portugal OtioMarcelo 
THIS, it seems that every turkish player is like that, ex. Xantares
2019-09-22 14:44
#58
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Lithuania arres 
Xantares seems more composed but even dumber than woxic
2019-09-22 14:49
#59
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Portugal OtioMarcelo 
pls bring oskar back ;-; i miss him
2019-09-22 14:52
#61
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Lithuania arres 
k, I will talk to mouse owners to see what I can do
2019-09-22 14:57
#71
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Hell probably get better with age.
2019-09-22 16:48
#63
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Other khorkalba 
When he was IGL of Astralis: "It's not Karrigan's fault his players are so inconsistent." When he was IGL of FaZe: "It's not Karrigan's fault his players are so inconsistent." When he's IGL of Mousesports: "It's not Karrigan's fault his players are so inconsistent." At some point you have to stop heaping praise on Karrigan and question why he's achieved so little in his career despite having some of the best talent on the planet at his disposal.
2019-09-22 15:11
#73
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Astralis was a young team and even when glaive came in they still had similar issues, it took years to get to be what they became. FaZe was a unmanageable team, they were less consistent when he left. Mouz are a young team, Ropz was never consistent, Woxic was always a bit streaky and Frozen is young as fuck.
2019-09-22 16:50
#79
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Other khorkalba 
Astralis used Gla1ve as a stand-in before signing him and looked almost immediately better. And no, they weren't that young. They had been around the scene for a very long time and were one of the most experienced core group of players in the scene before Gla1ve joined. So he's had three different types of roster to manage: TSM/Astralis where the players were young but not too young, and fairly experienced. FaZe where the players were experienced veterans. And now Mousesports where the team is full of young inexperienced talents. By what ridiculous goldilocks criteria does Karrigan finally have a team that's just right for him? It seems like any amount of experience/inexperience is completely unmanageable for him.
2019-09-22 17:28
#80
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Well no, you just have idea what you are talking about, TSM under Karrigan were a top team who beat Fnatic in more series than Fnatic beat them, this was during the Fnatic era, for a wile under Glaive Astralis were getting banged out by everyone, it wasnt really until they bought in Magisk, sure they won a major but so did Gambit and C9, one big event means very little in the grand scheme. Then lets go further, international lineups have always had issues in CS, his last 2 have been, FaZe were a team of basically 4 star players and one IGL, you then had the shit with Olof leaving then the fact they have only gotten worse and worse since he left and they have never come close to the number one spot they held when he was there, whens the last time they beat Astralis in a Bo5, it was under Karrigan with a fucking stand-in. You now have this team, 3 young players, ChrisJ who can be a bit up and down sometimes and Karrigan who isnt that great mechanically, of course they wont always be consistent they are a young, relatively new international squad, theres 5 different nationalities there. And ill add Karrigan didnt cost FaZe the major, the entire team did, in that series only niko had over a 1.0 rating, that was just a magical run from C9, also short boosts of performance happen when new players join, its called honeymoon period.
2019-09-22 17:38
indeed, although how many top tier IGL's have ever developed 3 teams into playoff caliber and/or champion favorites? not too many. he might not be the best fragger or the best midround caller, but his team-building is only rivaled by daps, who in my opinion is 200x worse fragger vs karrigan
2019-09-22 16:51
#75
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Other khorkalba 
How many IGLs have been given playoff caliber players? Not too many. In reality, Karrigan hasn't "built" or "developed" anything. All of the superstars he's worked with were already playing at a superstar level. The only positive thing you can really say about Karrigan is that he's not the worst fragging IGL and that he makes pretty good veto calls. His track record has otherwise been abysmal when you consider the talent he's worked with.
2019-09-22 17:20
true, not many IGL's have had the oppoturnity to do the same, but i still doubt you can name one IGL who has done the same thing. fallen? yes, he is a legend in the brazilian scene and helped to elevate the country to relevance but he was hugely helped by cold, who was the 1st player to make his debut on the top20 list at top1. sk was a great team, but it was not fallen who brought them to life, it was cold, and his impact, freeing the rest of the team. gla1ve? he was brought in after karrigan, who had established the foundation for the team and made the system relevant. sure, gla1ve has done a phenomenal job, but when he joined, he had virtually no experience in a tier 1 team. he has developed into a great IGL and player, no doubt daps? great at finding new talent. brehze, ethan, tarik, naf, stewie, mixwell and now tenz. he is great at developing teams and creating a system, but doesnt do well at fragging. his curse is also to get kicked everytime he has established a system. karrigan in the other hand has yes, had more chances and probably better players, but never came into an environment with an established ground. he built TSM back in the day with the astralis core. he made them a consistent top tier team, in spite of choking in the playoffs. faze? what he got when he joined was a team of castaways and he made them a working unit of championship contention. after krakow he had the privilege of working with a superteam, with whom he achieved a lot, but you could still call it underwhelming in a way. karrigan was kicked, and rain admitted alter that it was a huge mistake. after that, faze dropped into irrelevance. sure, they had bad form before kicking him, but it just made matters worse. after that, finding himself as a castaway again, he has built mouz into a playoff contender team in the matter of months. he has established a working system with roles, and keeps developing young talent like ropz and woxic. yes, you can argue that he could have done better with the caliber of players he's had on his disposal, but i doubt anyone has come close in the era of cs:go. he is so far the best teambuilder there is and if you can show me solid arguments that prove me wrong, sure. until then i will keep my opinion as it is and respect him hugely for what he's done. EDIT: the article where rain says he regrets kicking karrigan. vpesports.com/csgo/faze-rain-on-cutting-.. EDIT 2: also, i am surprised that hltv still has users who really can have a great debate without getting aggressive, respect to you for that.
2019-09-22 17:48
#5
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Sweden DobeIWTD 
Faze with karrigan #1 Faze without karrigan #11 Young mouz with karrigan #7(already) mouz without karrigan??????
2019-09-22 13:48
#8
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Germany sketchbook 
Faze with karrigan was already bad when he left
2019-09-22 13:50
+1
2019-09-22 13:50
they havent won a relevant trophy without him lmfao
2019-09-22 14:10
ofc, when you got the player with the most ego in the scene, toxic and want to be igl instead.... seen faze won so many events after carrygaN left, rofl... that should be proff enough for people, but i know brain dead haters just hate instead.
2019-09-22 14:11
#32
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Georgia Gvprtskvni 
yeah, i think even rain said that kicking karrigan was a mistake.
2019-09-22 14:14
#43
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Europe Toxic91 
yep, he said they realized after a couple of months that it was a huge mistake and they were stuck with adreN instead lol
2019-09-22 14:20
#31
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India dragoblood 
Faze when karrigan left was #2 in rankings. wdym.
2019-09-22 14:14
new mouz without karrigan and with solid and consistent igl top 5 at least
2019-09-22 13:50
#13
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Sweden DobeIWTD 
You are really fucking dumb if you think that.
2019-09-22 13:55
aah, another karrigan fanboy, keep thinking he is a good igl. In reality he is an incosistent choker without a clue about what he's doing.
2019-09-22 13:57
Your definition of karrigan the IGL, is the same i got of NiKo, lol.
2019-09-22 14:13
#50
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Sweden DobeIWTD 
Im not a karrigan fanboy im just thinking reasonably.
2019-09-22 14:30
-Karrigan +AleksiB
2019-09-22 14:06
Faze #1 0/8
2019-09-22 13:55
#48
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Sweden DobeIWTD 
They were ranked #1 with karrigan
2019-09-22 14:28
I didn't realise he was toxic... Not doubting you but can you link some videos of Karrigan being toxic.
2019-09-22 13:48
#15
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Kazakhstan inDigazzZ 
He was always trolling Faze after benching. Oh, hello Faze, where's my beer NiKo, got one Kovac (after beating Cr4zy) there's one more etc. After beating Faze he says - It is a pity that this is not an eliminating match.
2019-09-22 13:57
#20
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United States DiabIo 
who cares people are allowed to bust balls doesn't mean they are toxic.
2019-09-22 14:02
#22
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Bulgaria HeavenRock 
joking with friends =/= toxic
2019-09-22 14:03
#85
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Kazakhstan inDigazzZ 
friends? maybe, but not with NiKo fo sure
2019-09-22 18:37
haha, this not toxic at all... everyone would want to beat their own clan... just look at MIBR, that didn't let coldzera play with them 2-3 last events before they had player.... now thats toxic!
2019-09-22 14:15
#86
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Kazakhstan inDigazzZ 
that's veiled toxicity
2019-09-22 18:38
that's what you consider being toxic? HAHAH get out of here
2019-09-22 14:24
They snaked him out of the team so of course would he want to beat them to prove himself
2019-09-22 15:14
#67
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Malta ciORAN_NT 
pussy
2019-09-22 15:14
#47
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
He isnt toxic the guy has no proof there is literally a player profile saying "The nicest man in CSGO" ( youtube.com/watch?v=3FFVxE47Zuk) The guy is from CIS 0 brain mens))
2019-09-22 14:26
#7
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United Kingdom desolade 
wouldnt say karrigan is the problem with that team id say everybody needs 2 show up to their full potential and rn they arent
2019-09-22 13:48
You will remove the top fragger and the man who made the team winning again in karrigan... Small brain fix i would say.
2019-09-22 13:51
>made the team winning xDDD keep dreaming, delusional bottigan fanboy
2019-09-22 13:58
what was mouse before he joined.. they where no where.. they actually got places once he joined.. But its normal from people who dont understand the game.. For a long time noobs and memes have blamed and been after karrigan so when the team lose that is when the noob brain starts.. ohh people always make fun of karrigan he must be the issue.. kick him. bassicly only showing everone else they know nothing of cs... so a bit fun.. He lifted mouse again. and all teams can lose to lower teams. even teams that have better players to work with than karrigan and mouse... Just look at TL. they done it many times the last 2 years.
2019-09-22 14:03
omegalul.
2019-09-22 14:09
But by all means do continue.. Its sort of fun for the rest of us seeing the same type of people doing this over and over..
2019-09-22 14:11
karrigan is not problem . top fragging. ropz also doing good . mouz is mouz . one match done
2019-09-22 13:52
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Poland Gervush 
0/8 mad ukrainian crying
2019-09-22 13:58
#19
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Palestine J1reN 
its not his problem that ropz barely doing something memorable and always dying like bot ChrisJ played like BOT Karrigan fragging normal for an IGL
2019-09-22 14:01
Classic hltv. This place would truly be better without the forums
2019-09-22 14:04
axaxaxa
2019-09-22 14:16
here comes the peanut brains blaiming karrigan after 1 loss
2019-09-22 14:11
another delusional. Keep dreaming that they will achieve something with him
2019-09-22 14:16
keep dreaming that faze will ever achieve something again without him? how many times will they try and replace him? neo? adren? who's next lmfao
2019-09-22 14:17
#39
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Georgia Gvprtskvni 
#38 even rain said that he regrets kicking karrigan, so yeah.
2019-09-22 14:19
coldzera will win major for niko. Wait for it
2019-09-22 14:19
ok -rain confirmed
2019-09-22 14:19
#42
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Australia opzy 
karrigan to coach +aleksib
2019-09-22 14:19
-karrigan and bring back lmbt as coach
2019-09-22 14:23
#46
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Turkey Thunderball 
no he is good problem is ropz
2019-09-22 14:24
mouz with chrisj ropz oskar sunny and styko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Shit Mouz
2019-09-22 14:28
#52
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India Smauxx 
Yes kick him plz. So faze can take in back and ez top 1 again. Fazeup
2019-09-22 14:30
0/8
2019-09-22 14:39
Karrigan is what makes the team where it is, without him they wouldn't make it into Top 15
2019-09-22 14:46
this lose wasnt hes fault
2019-09-22 14:47
#60
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Germany Wurstkreatur 
When I am mouz and if I had to make a change, then kick frozen...he is not the star player that mouz was hoping he would be. Frozen plays like Sunny at the end of 2018, not bad but also not good enough, I dont see mouz becoming a top 5-3 team with him.
2019-09-22 14:53
0/8 you drunk?
2019-09-22 15:12
#70
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Germany Wurstkreatur 
even drunk I would kick him lul
2019-09-22 16:46
0/8 How much you lose?
2019-09-22 14:58
your moms virginity
2019-09-22 15:12
ah sh** here we go again
2019-09-22 16:49
#76
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Italy bennyhana 
Maybe frozen ropz should step up and do their job better before blaming igl
2019-09-22 17:23
#77
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Denmark jaco5157 
Faze dropped of massively since he left, same would happen to Mouz
2019-09-22 17:25
and also. there have been so many crucial games so far for mouz where karrigan is like top fragging and play the best but the stars are nowhere to be seen. that is happening too often in this mouz lineup. the stars have to play good all the time nowadays. look at liquid and astralis. you dont see their stars disappearing as often as ropz or woxic.
2019-09-22 18:11
kicking karrigan is known as the low iq opinion, everyone who share that opinion have that in common
2019-09-22 18:13
#84
OCEAN | 
Reunion |x^2| 
nt NiKo
2019-09-22 18:14
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