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Aleksib | 
Finland aqua_rius 
copied from a reply, thought tit fitting to post here not many IGL's have had the oppoturnity to do the same )with the amount of players he has had in his disposal), but i still doubt you can name one IGL who has done the same thing. fallen? yes, he is a legend in the brazilian scene and helped to elevate the country to relevance but he was hugely helped by cold, who was the 1st player to make his debut on the top20 list at top1. sk was a great team, but it was not fallen who brought them to life, it was cold, and his impact, freeing the rest of the team. gla1ve? he was brought in after karrigan, who had established the foundation for the team and made the system relevant. sure, gla1ve has done a phenomenal job, but when he joined, he had virtually no experience in a tier 1 team. he has developed into a great IGL and player, no doubt daps? great at finding new talent. brehze, ethan, tarik, naf, stewie, mixwell and now tenz. he is great at developing teams and creating a system, but doesnt do well at fragging. his curse is also to get kicked everytime he has established a system. karrigan in the other hand has yes, had more chances and probably better players, but never came into an environment with an established ground. he built TSM back in the day with the astralis core. he made them a consistent top tier team, in spite of choking in the playoffs. faze? what he got when he joined was a team of castaways and he made them a working unit of championship contention. after krakow he had the privilege of working with a superteam, with whom he achieved a lot, but you could still call it underwhelming in a way. karrigan was kicked, and rain admitted alter that it was a huge mistake. after that, faze dropped into irrelevance. sure, they had bad form before kicking him, but it just made matters worse. after that, finding himself as a castaway again, he has built mouz into a playoff contender team in the matter of months. he has established a working system with roles, and keeps developing young talent like ropz and woxic. yes, you can argue that he could have done better with the caliber of players he's had on his disposal, but i doubt anyone has come close in the era of cs:go. he is so far the best teambuilder there is and if you can show me solid arguments that prove me wrong, sure. until then i will keep my opinion as it is and respect him hugely for what he's done. TLDR: i still respect karrigan hugely and think he is the best team-building igl there is. prove me wrong
2019-09-22 18:00
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2019-09-22 18:12
Gla1ve is best igl men, but Karrigan is definitely up there.
2019-09-23 15:41
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Denmark bebm 
If karrigan wasnt such a choker he would be the GOAT IGL
2019-09-22 18:13
indeed, gla1ve has to take the throne though. he isnt the best in the sense of teambuilding but he is certainly the bet when looking at achievements
2019-09-22 18:14
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Denmark bebm 
the thing with gla1ve is that unlike basically every other legendary IGL besides FalleN, gla1ve is a capable fragger, and doesnt use the IGL role excuse to be a worse fragger, even tho gla1ve has slumped this year he is still positive rating. Him being a good fragger in 2018 and solid fragger in 2019 gives astralis an immediate advantage over teams like navi and liquid (zeus taco) etc. karrigan isnt ahead in any catagory, he isnt a good fragger, he isnt clutch, he doesnt have the majors even tho he has had many major worthy teams and teammates, he doesnt have the era
2019-09-22 18:16
few have had an era. cant really judge after that. Only 2 maybe 3 teams have had an era. so 10 or 15 players.
2019-09-22 18:18
yeah and i'm not denying that. the thing to remember though is that his stats are a bit deflated by the number of deep runs with virtually no big losses. sure, he has to be the GOAT, but my argument was about team-building, in which case, karrigan is the goat
2019-09-22 18:20
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Sweden Mejtz 
He is a good clutcher when he needs to be (Karrigan)
2019-09-22 18:21
+1
2019-09-22 18:30
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United States FrothaIPBan 
So like take out his biggest weakness??
2019-09-22 18:15
#6
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Denmark bebm 
which is why i said IF
2019-09-22 18:16
#7
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United States FrothaIPBan 
Big IF
2019-09-22 18:16
If karrigan wasnt such bad IGL he would be the GOAT IGL.
2019-09-22 18:18
bad igl? nah bro. one of the greats
2019-09-22 18:32
He is. And the hate on him has just become a meme. and a way to see noobs in the cs scene, is those saying "kick him" or something. You know if people try to say so they dont understand the game, and those that do can then laugh of them. I would say Gla1ve has become the best IG there have been. But as with players, IG leader do different things to. cant rate a AWP the same as a rifler. or a IG leader as a entry. unless that is what they do. but there is plus and minus things with all players. in all sports. and no one is the same. And overall karrigan is very strong. Still think Gla1ve is the strongest overall. But def. karrigan deserve way more respect than he gets. Sadly that is the way of plastic cs fans.. so much toxic stupidity instead of enjoying the game, all of it. enjoy good teams even if they arent "your own", enjoy good players and plays.. Why spend time hating on something.. if you like cs. like it.. enjoy it.
2019-09-22 18:17
yeah. plus you can never get inside those teams and know for sure. there is always a reason for a kick.
2019-09-22 18:31
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Greece moonchild12 
I agree with you totally m8 !!
2019-09-23 16:08
Totally agree
2019-09-22 18:25
+1
2019-09-22 18:45
Agreed
2019-09-22 18:30
#19
Basso | 
Sweden eNvym 
Karringan is top3 IGL. who says otherwise doesnt know shit.
2019-09-22 18:47
#38
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Europe black1ch 
top 3 igl and still 0 major? 0/8
2019-09-23 16:26
#42
Basso | 
Sweden eNvym 
siktir git amina kodum karini sikerim
2019-09-23 17:02
flag checks out lol
2019-09-23 17:04
#44
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Europe black1ch 
This is an international site, please write your comment in English. Comments in another language will be deleted.
2019-09-23 17:53
#20
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Canada ZHF 
Well said
2019-09-22 18:48
'TLDR: i still respect karrigan hugely and think he is the best team-building igl there is. prove me wrong' Probably because he is the only team-building igl there is lmao Show me another guy who had so many opportunities with top players BTW -after he left tsm they actually started playing much better without him -mouz/hr switch from 2 top teams to 2 tier4 teams -only faze got better and thats because they never had a true igl so even karrigan made them stronger
2019-09-22 18:52
-daps is a team-building IGL who has had opportunities with top players -i've seen people telling me gla1ve has had as much to do as karrigan did -karrigan never left astralis, they kicked him because the players wanted to play a different style -mouz failed to qualify for the majors, thus remaking their roster with new players, with whom karrigan has managed to create a system that has made ropz realise his potential, woxic play with his best level and frozen constantly developing -karrigan never played for HR, he took an inexperienced and almost irrelevant envy roster to almost make the major, while creating a system they still use
2019-09-22 19:47
Wow im really curious if you're 20 iq or just baiting?
2019-09-23 13:43
why would i bait, and which part of my reply was bait?
2019-09-23 14:04
absolute bullshit
2019-09-22 18:53
why?
2019-09-22 19:48
igl's dont matter if they do nothing outside server
2019-09-22 21:33
and karrigan doesnt? in my opinion he is one of the best personalities out there, every vid with karrigan in it has him just joking around, he truly seems like a nice guy regarding the team aspects, we cannot know. we just dont get thta kind of insight
2019-09-23 15:39
I mean karrigan is actually one of the few that has input to tactics etc outside the server. Unlike for example igl Nitr0 who is just a random player (nobody wanted to igl on Liquid, so he tried it) who calls
2019-09-23 16:24
He never won a major (either CS:GO or ESWC / WCG in 1.6) but played with the absolute best players for the past 10 years.
2019-09-23 15:44
i still think winning a major is not a criteria for GOAT contention
2019-09-23 16:54
it just means he didnt get the best out of the best players to play this game. I mean there is such a big lack of good igls, so he is by default in the top 5 if not top 3. but overall, igls are overrated. Just the worst players gets the shotcalling in 90% of the teams. cant see any trash team with good igl ever achieve anytihng, other than the Gambit fluke
2019-09-23 20:20
With the given space & amount of quality players he had in his disposal y he never achieved anything big? n please don't bring 2017 Faze example here because it was super team n thy were playing free style that time ( not much structured cs ) so with any IGL they would have accomplished same
2019-09-23 15:45
with the given space and amount of quality players he has achieved more than anyone else, making him GOAT
2019-09-23 16:55
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Petra | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Karrigan lost to vp in v4 budapest with Faze. After that the team was strulling and choking more. Now he lost with mouz to vp in v4 budapest....🤔
2019-09-23 15:47
#33
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Namibia nawledge 
" it was not fallen who brought them to life " dude, he was the top2 player of 2016, top10 player of 2017 and hes the IGL.
2019-09-23 15:49
yes, as A PLAYER. not as an IGL. idividual skill is a bonues, yes, but fallen now is definately not the fallen he used to be. faze-sk was the biggest rivalry of 2017-early2018, with fallen and karrigan as the leaders. karrigans style was different from fallen's who was a great awper at the time
2019-09-23 16:54
GOD HUNDEN is the best team building IGL
2019-09-23 16:10
#36
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Europe black1ch 
+1
2019-09-23 16:15
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