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Na'Vi wasted 2 years for nothing
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United States TheSingerWhoWasNeverBanned 
Degenerate Na'Vi management decided to bow down before Zeus after Gambit won the Major in 2017, it was the worst decision this organisation ever made. Zeus had a great impact on the Gambit players and he motivated them to win but the Na'Vi squad was already experienced enough and Zeus wouldn't do nothing to them. Of course he didn't change anything, he only made them play 4 vs. 5 for about 2 years until he finally left in his own style. He's the most overrated IGL in the history of CS:GO, no matter what kind of tongue wag he delivers in the backstage, he's a complete, handless BOT in game and it cost them way too many matches and tournaments. Now they will finally realise that it was a mistake to get him back, now they finally have a chance to win something and more. CIS waves of loyal fans are going to flood 'cause they just see the label, the face that represents itself but they don't see the facts. In short: Zeus once made a great, beautiful run at the Major but then he destroyed hopes of a thousands of people who identify themselves as Na'Vi fans. He's the face and the destroyer of Natus Vincere, his departure is the best day for organisation.
2019-10-02 17:20
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haha cry
2019-10-02 17:20
#18
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-10-02 17:24
still better than EG wasting 4 days.
2019-10-02 17:36
#93
shox | 
France Zyw0o1v9 
Ahahhhaha
2019-10-03 05:04
Lmaooooo
2019-10-03 05:23
#190
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North America FrankNg2k 
Lmfaooo great burn
2019-10-03 08:27
#232
NAF | 
Germany KoalaZZZ 
12/8
2019-10-03 11:07
#238
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Asia JackReacher 
omegalul
2019-10-03 11:16
XDDDDD
2019-10-03 11:21
If this was addressed to me, I didn't actually think about it, I don't care about the NA scene and EG won more in a week than Na'Vi in a year, just a point to know.
2019-10-03 11:23
#283
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Australia g00sey 
You seem to forget before Zeus went back to navi, they were losing everything and doing terrible. this year they've been pretty average since starseries and zeus has needed to go for awhile but you seriously underestimate him
2019-10-03 14:25
I could have understimated the team's results for they had a fine 2018 but he never was good. I mean, except for those 10 games out of 150 he had in a year, he was plain awful.
2019-10-03 14:38
#289
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Australia g00sey 
Yeah I'm not gonna argue for him skill wise, but he obviously brought a lot to the team comparing results between the time he was in the team and not. I hope them properly passing the torch to boombl4 was the right move and Malmo is making it look that way
2019-10-03 14:40
But it's different, the rosters when they were without him back then and now are vastly different, how are you going to do well with Edward and seized on the team. Now it's actually a game of 5 on 5 with each player doing their job properly. Now you can set yourself for a high expectations without being let down!
2019-10-03 14:43
#293
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Australia g00sey 
We'll see about that, being a na'vi fan is suffering
2019-10-03 14:45
Loyalty is the key to success, you're halfway there. Enjoy their games!
2019-10-03 14:46
you're ruthless dude
2019-10-03 15:22
NA SCENE CRY HAHAHA LUL
2019-10-02 17:21
#14
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United States BrandonS101 
NA actually one of the top scenes now
2019-10-02 17:24
#17
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
flag checks out
2019-10-02 17:24
he's right though
2019-10-02 17:28
flair checks out
2019-10-02 17:34
cry is free
2019-10-02 17:43
#82
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United States BrandonS101 
I used to be a big Liquid fan when Hiko was on the roster, since he left and Fnatic fell off I haven't really watched the pro scene in awhile but its sad to see the French, Russian's, Swede's, Polish not doing well even the Brazilians fell off and I was never a big fan of them. Now the Dane's seem to be the best and NA is actually at #2 also
2019-10-02 21:25
#191
CeRq | 
Canada Timings 
jebaited
2019-10-03 08:27
#15
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-10-02 17:24
#3
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Lithuania Sedge 
he is like fertilizer now
2019-10-02 17:21
#4
Ukraine Pham_ 
Fuck you , navi had great run in 2018, they won some big t1 events and finished second at major. You can't just call it waste of time
2019-10-02 17:22
#19
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-10-02 17:25
they should have won way more with simple and electronic in their prime
2019-10-02 17:27
Agree, but still it wasn't a waste of time
2019-10-02 17:31
-1
2019-10-03 08:45
In their prime ? Just look at electronic rn, he is insane, lol, S1mple also connecting mad shots, why Astralis whole team 24+ yo in their prime, and Na`Vi now 21+ and dead already for u ? Dumb logic, sorry.
2019-10-03 09:00
It would be a lot better without Zeus, once again he did no impact on that.
2019-10-02 17:34
i would say shit if navi were good without zeus, but when they kicked him theyve literally dropped to tier 2-3, so fuck off
2019-10-02 17:37
but simple wasnt thatgoodback then and guardian was out of form
2019-10-02 17:41
are you serious rn? s1mple and guardian were literally the only ones who played like gods
2019-10-02 17:50
His point is that when they kicked Zeus back in 2016 or whatever, their line up was completely different.. They might have played like shit, but they had edward and seized, two players who also have been kicked for under-performing. So yes maybe Zeus helped Edward and Seized play better, but other than that, there is a limit to how well they could play, and Zeus was hindering S1mple and Guardian. Now without him the team is playing so much better. It is honestly so good to see Na'Vi actually run strategies, as a caster said in their game yesterday vs OpTic, Zeus was a great igl in 1.6 but he never developed after 2008. Na'VI played without executes and strategies this whole time while other team's were evolving. Now with boombl4 they are finally doing strategies and it is working wonders for them.
2019-10-03 15:00
And they had seized and Edward back then, what is the point you're making? No electronic going loose. They had nothing back then. If they had the lineup they have now, they would be on top.
2019-10-03 05:13
Thats because they had no igl at allsince starix was their in game leader at the time but the coach change fucked up everything for them.They had no real igl so seized took up the role which destroyed his game and he wasnt good in his new role either.
2019-10-03 08:20
People like to say "b-but last time" this time is different. And people seem to forget that the coaching rule changed.
2019-10-03 14:52
they were good, but they were not good for a team that had the best player of all time in his prime.
2019-10-03 06:56
zeus > zeus
2019-10-02 17:22
#6
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Brazil furia_fan 
they won cologne that was pretty good
2019-10-02 17:22
#21
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-10-02 17:25
#140
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Kazakhstan erictroNic 
+1
2019-10-03 07:01
Na`Vi reached Major grandfinal with Zeus, not his fault that s1mple choked hard against Astralis.
2019-10-02 17:22
#22
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
fuck off Blastralis were using Nvidia settings and were killing him every round through smoke
2019-10-02 17:25
It would be the victory without Zeus, so it's all relative.
2019-10-02 17:34
Or without Zeus it could be out in groups... I don't like all these useless speculations because we can't know what would happen.
2019-10-02 17:38
But we know how well Zeus is playing, he's literally the worst player individually and if you could replace him with almost anybody, it would be a lot better. This kind of speculations has the grounds and there's no need to be an expert to say so, well, experts say so too.
2019-10-03 05:14
Na`Vi was consistent top2-3 team with Zeus Na`Vi became dogshit after they kicked Zeus Na`Vi became top3-5 team again after Zeus' back He used to bring a lot of impact as IGL, that's just a fact. In 2019 he was bad both as IGL and fragger, that's also a fact. Yet it doesn't mean that you should talk about him such bs as you said in #0.
2019-10-03 07:20
Na'Vi also had Edward and seized back then, why don't you say about this? How do you see them perform well with those on the team. Now, now they are finally free and you can expect them to perform like we all, "Zeus haters", say they would.
2019-10-03 07:21
#49
2019-10-03 07:22
#124
2019-10-03 07:22
#292
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Albania GreenDog 
They didn't kick Zeus. He left by himself. Don't forget that Zeus won 5 Majors
2019-10-03 14:43
Stfu Zeus is one of the best igl in the game period Without zeus we would never reach the final nor win cologne Zeus won a major with gambit
2019-10-04 05:38
Pay attention to what I wrote and correct your "we" to he.
2019-10-04 05:39
#62
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Iceland AnthoLeNain 
s1mple choke so you blame the lose on him?
2019-10-02 17:39
No, whole team choked, but s1mple underperformed very hard, if he played like usually they had good chance to win.
2019-10-02 17:40
#76
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Iceland AnthoLeNain 
"like usually" you mean play like a god every match? why dont you ask other bots to kill more
2019-10-02 17:50
hltv.org/matches/2326427/natus-vincere-v.. Most of other "bots" actually have killed more.
2019-10-02 17:53
#80
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Iceland AnthoLeNain 
i mean kill more than their performance in groupstage not more than s1mple in the final's two map why cant flamie & edward keep their 1+ rating why cant electronic have 20+ kills like groupstage
2019-10-02 19:48
didnt utilize s1mple to his best potential against navi
2019-10-03 07:18
s1mple became #1 under Zeus' lead.
2019-10-03 07:18
But once again Zeus had no impact on that, it's only because he was given a chance to join Na'Vi so he could compete against the top teams and become what he was supposed to be. Zeus was just there for the company.
2019-10-03 07:19
It looks like you started following CS:GO scene and especially Na`Vi only in late 2018...
2019-10-03 07:21
In late 2014 but it wouldn't change anything with any other given date.
2019-10-03 07:22
Then there is no reason for me to argue against the guy who can't accept simple facts.
2019-10-03 07:22
I can't force you so, feel free to disagree as they say.
2019-10-03 07:23
Same. You're free to keep hating Zeus.
2019-10-03 07:29
This hatred wasn't born on scratch, if you like him you might have watched his vlogs and there is all the clearance in the world. He missed his timing to retire and he walked away like we saw he did.
2019-10-03 07:30
My attitude towards Zeus has nothing to do with simple facts. Na`Vi was a complete dogshit when they brought back Zeus, and he made them top3-5 team again. That's something. But you completely ignore it and say "no impact blabla". Yeah, he was bad as IGL and leader in 2019 for 6-8 months or so and should have been replaced earlier, but as I said it's not a reason to talk such bs as you did in #0. No, I don't watch his vlogs.
2019-10-03 07:38
We both know with what he had, the results should have been a lot better. I just exaggerate to make you get my point, I know that he seemed alright from time to time but in a grand scheme, his job was done very poorly. He had such players but couldn't step up himself, he could stay if he did.
2019-10-03 07:40
His job was done well in 2017-2018. Could it be better? Of course. There is always a room for improvement. But instead of improving in 2019 he wasn't able to even maintain previous level and became worse, that's it.
2019-10-03 07:57
His Gambit run was impressive, there is no denying, then we had what they call a honeymoon stage with Na'Vi reading into every word he says. It was the time when players played very good but he was just as bad. When the team stepped into a darker phase, he remained just as bad and he couldn't get his players back on form. And it lasted for so long with ups and downs, it's really a shame.
2019-10-03 08:06
It seems you're talking about him being bad as fragger, while I'm talking about his impact as IGL. I don't care how bad was his individual performance tbh. And it was bad in Gambit as well.
2019-10-03 09:32
And if you want to talk about honeymoon -- they have it now and that's why Na`Vi look good atm. Should I remember that they won ESL One NY immediately after Zeus' kick? But then they became complete shit. History tends to repeat itself and same still can happen again. Yet I hope they learned something from previous situation and know what to do, also they have B1ad3 now...
2019-10-03 09:39
It's vastly different now since they are no players matching Zeus' skills like Edward and seized. The whole lineup are just very good fraggers, Na'Vi never had this before. You can actually see smiles on their faces. And yes, I'm talking about his individual performance because it matters the most in this day and age, look at all the top teams, their captains deliver on the same level and when they don't, they lose. Like EG yesterday.
2019-10-03 11:10
Both seized and Edward were good enough back then. seized turned into decoy after Zeus' kick because of taking IGL responsibilities. Of course they have better lineup now, but my point is to judge by long term results, not short term. If you talk about Zeus' individual performance and ignore his impact as IGL which was obviously HIGH in 2017-2018, well... xDDD
2019-10-03 11:59
He could babysit them all he wanted but the team wasn't winning anything, 2018 was a good day for them because s1mple and electronic were hard carrying them everywhere. 2017 was bad and 2019 was plain terrible. Zeus may have contributed at the dawn of the roster with s1mple but more than a year now, he was a dead weight that kept them down. It was painful to watch.
2019-10-03 12:45
Of course 2017 was bad for Na`Vi because they got Zeus only in August or September, lul. Of course it took some time to bring the team which was COMPLETE SHIT to top again, what happened in just 4-5 months or so. "wasn't winning anything" Ok, I'm too lazy to check their results tbh, but on their HLTV profile page I see they were in top5 (and most time even in top3) since April 2018 till June 2019 which means their results were far from "bad", lul. Zeus was bad as IGL and as fragger in the last 6-8 months or so, I didn't argue against that. But if you follow the scene you know that Na`Vi is an org with pretty conservative approach and they didn't want to break something that works (please be reminded: current lineup was in top3 for 10 months in a row), they prefer to improve what they have, that's why they replaced Edward with Boombl4 first instead of benching both (especially when one of these players is current IGL). And after some time they figured out that they have to remove Zeus as well even though it was obvious for everybody at this point, but that's how Na`Vi org works.
2019-10-03 13:31
I know that but the miracle that brought them back to top was unleashed electronic and s1mple with AWP. In no way it was due to Zeus, he cheered them up and helped them morally, I agree, he's a good team spirit keeper but they would do better without him as they showed just as he got kicked and as they do show now. He was the king of the hill in the early stages of CS:GO but when the competition grew up he remained in the same place. And why did it take them so long to finally cut him, it's ridiculous.
2019-10-03 13:47
> I know that but the miracle that brought them back to top was unleashed electronic and s1mple with AWP. In no way it was due to Zeus Keep telling it to yourself if it helps you sleep better. > they would do better without him Or they could do worse. Useless speculations again. > they showed just as he got kicked it has been said 20 times already: Na`Vi also won ESL One NY straight after they kicked Zeus first time. Even if they win DH Malmo it still doesn't mean anything. Long terms results is what matters. So we still yet to see if they able to keep that form at long distance. > He was the king of the hill in the early stages of CS:GO No, he wasn't. Actually Na`Vi struggled a lot in the early stages of CS:GO. > but when the competition grew up he remained in the same place. And that was enough to stay in top3, lol.
2019-10-03 14:35
As it has been said 40 times now too, the rosters are vastly different from when they won NY and turned crappy and when they have an actually good roster with all the players doing their job properly. No weak links anymore. I'm talking about Zeus' performance, not the team's. Staying in top 3 when there's domination of one team is not an achievement. Especially with 2 players from top 5, he misused them massively and remained mostly useless himself.
2019-10-03 14:41
Different rosters doesn't mean they can't win DH Malmo and turn into dogshit later.
2019-10-03 14:47
Now that is one useless speculation from you. So far they're all happy and smiling, everyone, EVERYONE, hitting their shots. I don't recall Na'Vi being this efficient, like ever.
2019-10-03 14:48
How is saying that we should wait and judge by long term result a speculation, LUL? I'm talking about what CAN happen while you were talking what COULD happen. Do you understand the difference? It seems no.
2019-10-03 14:51
In your previous post, all your said was "it's gonna be repeated when they won once and then turned to disabled straight away". It's not the exact words, mind you, but that's what you imply. And I don't like the fact that it's all that matters to you, not the fact that the team operates perfectly thus far and everyone seems happy. It always revolves around Zeus although he was always invisible in the server except for his flashy lowlights.
2019-10-03 14:54
I said we have an example where the team (not even necessary Na`Vi) looked great and even won some event but then became complete shit, so despite current Na`Vi looking good we still yet to see if they can maintain this performance at long distance and then make conclusions, that's what I said.
2019-10-03 14:56
So basically nothing. It's common sense, I'm not touching future either, just commenting on what's present and what has been.
2019-10-03 14:57
#323
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Ukraine vexuzz 
+1
2019-10-03 15:53
i mean in major final against astralis. Its like football players: they dont play all the time same positions since opononent can outstrat them and cover them so they have 0 impact, so you have to be 1 step ahead all the time
2019-10-03 07:24
So you want to say that Zeus couldn't utilize s1mple's potential because he underperformed in Major final even though he literally carried Na`Vi into there and played like a beast in most of other matches?
2019-10-03 07:28
well you think astralis wont be prepared for s1mple plays? they know s1mple hard carry navi and if they outplay s1mple no navi
2019-10-03 07:30
5/8
2019-10-02 17:22
agree, Zues a good guy, but he should retire 2 years ago
2019-10-02 17:22
#23
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Germany owjdb 
+1 after winning the major would have been the perfect time
2019-10-02 17:25
#10
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Thailand sonon321 
3 consecutive title in 2018 including ESL ONE Cologne is nothing yeah NT
2019-10-02 17:22
NA logic braindead, sorry dude
2019-10-02 17:23
#24
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Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-10-02 17:25
No offense, but while Zeus was in Gambit NaVi were straight up awful. They reached their highest level with Zeus as IGL. Come back in 3 months and lets see what this lineup can achieve. Obvioisly, on paper, they are alot better now. But so was the team post-Zeus back in 2017 too.
2019-10-02 17:24
Just a reminder: Na`Vi won ESL One NY immediately after they kicked Zeus (first time).
2019-10-02 17:27
And? one event and they are suddenly better? Zeus won the major after he left NaVi. They won events and were #2 team in the world in 2018 with Zeus. That lineup back in 2016/2017 that won ESL One NY dropped off the face of the earth real fast after that event.
2019-10-02 17:31
That's exactly my point. They kicked Zeus and immediately won ESL One NY, but on long distance they became dogshit. Current Na`Vi surely looks a lot better and they can even win DH Malmo, but they can repeat the history and become dogshit again, lul.
2019-10-02 17:36
#44
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Russia Hellyer 
Navi didn't have any real IGL at that time + they had siezed
2019-10-02 17:33
seized was a top10 player back then, but his playstyle didn't work at all after Zeus left. seized, GuardiaN and flamie were beasts back in 2016. Zeus was always a big motivator for the team. Maybe not the same problems today as Boombl4 and electronic look to be quite good at motivating the team
2019-10-02 17:35
I'm sorry but the last time seized was a 'beast', it was 2013-2014, he was even worse than usual since he was given the IGL. It was not a quarter of the Na'Vi team they are now.
2019-10-03 06:18
actually he was the 2nd best player on the team before s1mple joined. He dropped off alot in late 2016 however
2019-10-03 08:10
He had a good time on Gambit when he stepped for a while but he never was even second with GuardiaN and flamie on the team. Even Edward was better at times.
2019-10-03 08:12
#13
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Europe Sam2k 
NaVi won ESL One Cologne How many ESL One events have Blastralis won?
2019-10-02 17:24
0
2019-10-02 17:26
Certainly not because of Zeus and I saw them playing at the most important tournament, Zeus was so good.
2019-10-02 17:35
#16
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Brazil z1d72 
I don't get people saying zeus won major and else, fallen got 2 majors also and wtf, zeus cant even aim properly he doesn't deserve to play tier 1 teams for so long, mayb as a coach
2019-10-02 17:24
Agreed. He's not even good enough for a coach.
2019-10-02 17:36
#20
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Bulgaria overflowww 
wdym they won esl one cologne + 3 other tournaments + they got to major finals with bot edward but astralis were in their prime. nobody could beat them before
2019-10-02 17:25
It would be Na'Vi in their prime if they had someone better than those two.
2019-10-02 17:36
#25
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Russia razorVJ 
0/8
2019-10-02 17:26
remember last time Zeus left NaVi? They had a honeymoon period where they won ESL NY in 2016 and then went to absolute shit until Zeus joined again. Not saying this is the same, but it could be
2019-10-02 17:26
#30
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Australia Leftistt 
Watch NaVi win Malmo without him
2019-10-02 17:26
again, NaVi had a honeymoon period where they won ESL New York "without him" but then went to shit. what I am saying is this Malmo event (assuming it goes like last time) is like New York. If they win it, there is still a chance they could go to shit after it.
2019-10-02 17:28
#41
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Australia Leftistt 
When Zeus left they had little to no structure which I'm scared it might happen again.
2019-10-02 17:31
exactly
2019-10-02 17:32
But they had seized back then, who was given an IGL role because of a bed share with Na'Vi CEO. Now there's no Edward and an IGL who can deliver, it's the least likely of all the things to happen.
2019-10-02 17:37
maybe, we'll see
2019-10-02 17:40
#27
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Australia Leftistt 
Zeus was an amazing IGL but it seemed that he couldn't keep up with the top teams when he had the BEST player on his team. He had so much to work with but failed.
2019-10-02 17:26
Because he's not good enough himself, of course how can he have a clue what to do with the players who are more capable than him. He got lost.
2019-10-03 05:16
you are wasting your time here writing bs instead of protecting your kid against a school shooter
2019-10-02 17:26
#31
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Australia Leftistt 
wtf why so mean mens ;d
2019-10-02 17:27
#99
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Canada thelegend27 
damn is that the real tot
2019-10-03 05:14
Bobby, I don't like you.
2019-10-02 17:38
hey bro, navi fan since 2014 here, zues was there during the glory days, then he got kicked for s1mple, good decision seeing as starix was the main caller anyways, no need for dead weight right, then they get fucked by vavles coaching rules, the proceeded to be a mediocre team for over a year until they got zues back, then they mostly hung around the top 5,which is still far from this teams ceiling, but at least its better than they were. he legitimately made the team better. however i think he was a bandaid fix to an extent. And with how proven he is, its hard to tear that bandaid off. they definitely are bad at managing a team, and zues is a shit individual and navi should have kicked him earlier, but i dont blame them for having hope. plus this is only one event theyre looking amazing at. remember just after the zues kick when they went 3-0 at the major group stage, beating the brazilians backs when they were still a top 2 team. they went on the lose the first playoff matchup (to astralis who did end up winning the major so if you want to lose to somebody,) but they they were shit for a year, they might do the same thing again. we dont know
2019-10-02 17:27
I don't see them going off by the same rails, there's no seized, no Edward. But elec and Boom who are both capable of delievering when needed.
2019-10-02 17:39
That's easy to say now in hindsight.
2019-10-02 17:28
Zeus 1 major, s1mple 0
2019-10-02 17:29
#294
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Albania GreenDog 
5 majors*
2019-10-03 14:46
1
2019-10-03 15:49
#324
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Albania GreenDog 
5 lol you dont count 1.6 lol
2019-10-03 16:13
no major in 1.6 sorry mate
2019-10-03 18:35
#330
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Albania GreenDog 
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Counter-Str.. Don't even open your mouth)
2019-10-03 18:38
1. read my name 2. they still won cologne 2018
2019-10-02 17:30
Certainly not in thanks to Zeus, s1mple still was ablaze and highly motivated back then but he killed it in him.
2019-10-02 17:40
#45
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China SwooksarV2 
CRY? CRY! AHAHAHAH
2019-10-02 17:33
#55
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Croatia Netkov 
Don't cry.
2019-10-02 17:37
Let's not overreact and just say that 1 year was wasted. Zeus was surely an improvement to 2017 NaVi even though he never was good player but he became exceptionally bad lately. Yes, they wasted time with Edward and Zeus, then with Zeus. Last 2 majors were wasted for s1mple.
2019-10-02 17:37
3 majors*
2019-10-02 17:43
#65
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Denmark jaco5157 
Zeus is arguably one of the biggest names in the CIS scene of all time, guy is 31 years old now, and his tactics might be outdated, doesn't make him an overall shit IGL tho.
2019-10-02 17:40
I mean he's a good, supportive person, nice cheerleader and stuff but regarding in game details and his individual efficiency, his competition is normal bots.
2019-10-02 17:41
Says some newfag Its obvious that Zeus was part of the problem in recent navi but you cant put it all on him
2019-10-03 14:59
Nice, says me.
2019-10-03 15:01
This! +1.
2019-10-02 17:42
That is the point though? He is being outdated for like, a year+?(Even more, cologne was a "fluke")That is wasted time as the team didn't got anywhere. Now we are looking at a navi needing to build up a new igl (that is going to take at least 6 months, like guardian said), and even so, they are looking much better than the last 6/8 months that was just s1mpletronic carrying the shit out of the team. And it's different this time, they are actually with a new system from day one.
2019-10-02 22:16
#87
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Denmark jaco5157 
I agree it was time for a change, don't get me wrong. But this guy is trying to discredit Zeus. The part where he wrote "He's the most overrated IGL in the history of CS:GO" is what i'm thinking about specifically.
2019-10-02 22:29
Oh, i see. But there is some ground on that though. Imo, what i could say it was zeus for sure is his win with gambit and the good period with navi last year, the rest there was always starix there as coach giving input on mid round and outside of the game, so the line is blurry. Even on the good period it was just s1mpletronic carrying the shit out of the team.
2019-10-02 22:36
Oh, damn. I thought nobody replied, turns out my notifications died.
2019-10-02 17:40
#72
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Russia yuko^^ 
Back at that times there was 2 igls in cis ange1 and zeus. boombl4 never tried himself at igling, same w jame so +zeus was a best decision they could possibly made
2019-10-02 17:43
Anyone can be the IGL, the role itself is highly overrated since there is a coach who can babysit them anyway.
2019-10-02 17:51
#83
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CIS kryto203 
It was possible... In 2016 And they actually went for seized (starix) igling You cant predict every round with 2 minutes of timeouts
2019-10-02 21:34
navi winning north and optic (literally tier3 teams) ruski navi fans: bOoMbLA bEsT IgL NaVi WaStEd TiMe wItH zEuS
2019-10-02 17:44
Yes they have, now they certainly look much better than ever before. On the same page with Liquid and Astralis. Didn't lose a BO1 to that tier 3 team at least.
2019-10-02 17:50
5 days of bootcamp. And not just getting carried the shit out, this team looks like a "team" now.
2019-10-02 22:18
Now that is Na'Vi they were supposed to be, imagine being the biggest eSports org in the whole CIS, the richest and the most well known and still being a joke for more than a year. Now they finally may realise.
2019-10-03 06:12
he are one of the best IGL but aim are one of the worst in the world
2019-10-02 19:51
you am smart mens)))
2019-10-03 06:04
i know that my english is terrible
2019-10-03 13:31
It's alright, we've all been there. You'll be fine.
2019-10-03 13:48
ty for good words
2019-10-03 13:55
You're a good fella, enjoy your evening!
2019-10-03 14:03
#84
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Other khorkalba 
I said this would happen the moment he left Gambit. The only reason he did so well as IGL of Gambit was because he was motivated by revenge. Take away that motivation and offer him a paycheck + the greatest CS player of all time and he just becomes a lazy fuck who is more interested in making youtube videos than practicing for events. NaVi haven't just wasted 2 years of their own time, they've wasted what is probably the 2 best years of the greatest player of all time. History has shown that the best players almost never stay in their prime for longer than 2 years. Just look at how hard GTR and Olof dropped off. The only positive thing NaVi can say is that their roster moves haven't been as moronic as the ones in the Swedish scene.
2019-10-02 22:04
Yeah, it literally got to the point for me when I started hating the whole Na'Vi organisation for having no balls of getting rid of the players that surely have to go. Now I find my liking back, I was immature and perhaps am now but you can't disagree about how do they look right now. You can see smiles on their faces, did you before!
2019-10-03 03:55
#90
JW | 
United States Deso1ation 
in 2018 zues was the 2nd best igl.
2019-10-03 04:49
Very HIGHLY disagree with that.
2019-10-03 06:11
#331
JW | 
United States Deso1ation 
Who was better?
2019-10-04 03:57
At least 5 players who were in top 10, I guess more.
2019-10-04 05:03
#347
JW | 
United States Deso1ation 
I guess you’re some Nitro fanboy or something....
2019-10-04 06:37
He's fine and he certainly fits the definition of a good leader, always confident and reliable in his individual skill. Does it fit Zeus?
2019-10-04 07:17
2 years for nothing Starladder s5 Csgo asia championship ESL ONE COLOGNE 2018 BLAST PRO SERIES COPENHAGEN starladder S7 Im pretty sure you are braindead
2019-10-03 04:53
Not one was thanks to Zeus, imagine the outcome if they played 5 on 5 instead of how they did it. And be thankful I even responded after your childish coming out.
2019-10-03 05:11
And thank you for showing your autism
2019-10-03 05:44
Some people like you just thinking zeus is useless, and you will see where navi without zeus from now, mark my words
2019-10-03 05:46
I will for you're not lonely at that but he achieved a lot and very respectful, it's all fine but the game evolves and it's not the time where you can get away with 3 star players who do all the head shooting in game, now everyone has to win their duel and be reliable. With Zeus it would be impossible, in order to make that work Zeus would have to have 2 s1mples and 2 electronics and he could enjoy his one digit amount of kills in the scoreboard all day long.
2019-10-03 06:11
I liked your singing girl thread better
2019-10-03 04:54
Not only you.
2019-10-03 05:11
They won 5-6 tournaments and went in 5-6 finals so 2018 became the best Navi year
2019-10-03 05:11
It would be doubled if they actually played 5 on 5, imagine that!
2019-10-03 05:11
We’ll see
2019-10-03 05:15
They can again become top16 like in 2016 when they won esl New York and suck on other tournaments
2019-10-03 05:16
They had Edward and seized back then, chained electronic. Do you believe in that yourself?
2019-10-03 05:17
5 good aimers without good igl can become top1 as liquid or top>10 as faze
2019-10-03 05:28
And Na'Vi never had that up until this point, now you can say proudly that you're a Na'vI fan and understandably so.
2019-10-03 06:14
#105
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Iceland caverat 
flag checks out 0/8
2019-10-03 05:18
For nothing ( 6 trophies ) more than Mouz and Mibr combined for the whole history in CSGO 😅
2019-10-03 05:18
Certainly not in thanks to Zeus and it would be a lot better if they had someone reliable instead of him.
2019-10-03 05:19
We need time to see can NaVi challenge top teams, pretty confident wins against tier2 teams it's ok but let's see how they will handle with better opponents then talk
2019-10-03 05:25
Sometimes it doesn't take years to see the results, you can already see them smiling what wasn't shown with Zeus in the recent time, they all enjoy the game and all hitting their shots. 2 dead weights have gone, they came alive.
2019-10-03 05:27
navi were pretty decent in 2018, so its only 1 bad year for them
2019-10-03 05:39
only because s1mple achieved the highest individual peak in the game's history and carried them through every series had the greatest csgo player of all time and never achieved the #1 spot
2019-10-03 05:46
i would say because of s1mple+electronic duo in their prime
2019-10-03 06:00
yeah greatest csgo player of all time in his prime + 4th best player in the world = some starseries should've been the navi era with those players
2019-10-03 06:09
More like s1mple and electronic were pretty decent in 2018, the Na'Vi were just being Na'Vi. Imagine them with actually good players, like now.
2019-10-03 06:09
Zeus reached major final with navi one more time after rejoining, too bad that astralis was too strong at the time. I just checked S1mple 7 trophies with Navi Zeus 6 trophies with Navi after rejeoin This means Navi with top1 player S1mple could achieve only 1 trophy without Zeus now quit being blind hater, Zeus is best CIS IGL of all time
2019-10-03 06:37
It was a tier one team against a tier two team in the finals. s1mple had no time to prove otherwise, Zeus has gone just recently, and now the competition arose as well. They had seized and Edward back then, what are you talking about. Now's the time that he should prove it and he will.
2019-10-03 06:38
2018 was one tier1 team and a bunch of other amateurs
2019-10-03 06:41
Mostly yes but Na'Vi had two enourmously good players balanced by two enourmously bad players. It could be very different.
2019-10-03 06:43
are you Song Kwong's alter account?
2019-10-03 07:17
Who.
2019-10-03 07:18
your flair
2019-10-03 07:20
No, I'm a fan of music so!
2019-10-03 07:20
you sing? do you perform? is there any footage of you singing?
2019-10-03 08:42
I sing, there's one song of me singing but no footage because I didn't perform live yet.
2019-10-03 08:43
lets hope to see you in some opening or closing a CS event)
2019-10-03 08:47
My music has no relation to CS or gaming in general!
2019-10-03 08:48
i see, but some inspirational shit will do
2019-10-03 08:49
I don't want to be associated with this childish wasteland.
2019-10-03 08:50
but your conclusions about cs scene are already childish)
2019-10-03 08:50
I'm still in a gaming territory, music is a whole different realm. While I'm on the forum, I may talk about games, it's no crime.
2019-10-03 08:51
im referring to your opinion in this particular thread
2019-10-03 08:52
Well, that is only your opinion, which just like mine, may be left on his own without agreement.
2019-10-03 08:53
i see some other replies below that are similar to mine, yet you still stay in your opinion and do not permit any other visions
2019-10-03 08:55
I may agree if there's something to agree with but I explain myself when questioned.
2019-10-03 08:56
#126
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Brazil hugoooo 
Easy to say this NOW after they tried... Back then everyone thought he would make Na'Vi better after his Gambit run in Krakow.
2019-10-03 06:35
It was a crappy move to me back then too, he already sat on the Na'Vi paycheck for so long and it didn't work out.
2019-10-03 06:36
The reason Navi wasted 2 years for n0thing is n0thing likes to be a independent analyst and streamer not a pro player. Also he cant speak Russian so he kept hanging the invitation from Navi.
2019-10-03 06:38
His voice is pitched higher than most of the girls I ever heard talking. What is that.
2019-10-03 06:39
navi 2017 0 wins
2019-10-03 06:52
The world is not black and white, there are more stories to that final.
2019-10-03 06:53
0 wins still
2019-10-03 06:57
and zeus was the best option at that time as he left from gambit
2019-10-03 06:57
They had seized and Edward back then, and chained electronic. What kind of wins you're talking about. Now they're finally free, now you can expect them to win. And Zeus never was a good option, he reached his peak on Gambit and he should have retired back then.
2019-10-03 06:59
its his decision but the way, navi didnt have any other options at that time expect from ange1
2019-10-03 07:03
Anyone can be the IGL really, they needed young players like they do pick up now anyway. The time wouldn't be wasted in such a way.
2019-10-03 07:04
forgot about seized? he took igl and failed it
2019-10-03 07:07
But he was bad individually, it's not his IGLing that let them down but his individual form. He was not reliable, if it was s1mple, it would be a whole different story.
2019-10-03 07:09
lol s1mple cant be igl look how he is mad at his team after losing on blast
2019-10-03 07:16
He can be mad after seeing the results, and the IGL should be passionate if he wants the results from his mates.
2019-10-03 07:17
lol unlike s1mple zeus is always positive after losing. remember iem katowice 2019?
2019-10-03 11:10
He's positive because there's not really much positive things about him aside from that. He's clueless during the game, he can't call anything, just doing some outdated fakes or tactics of the other teams. He was just a dead weight all this year.
2019-10-03 11:11
i repeat navi 2017 0 wins navi 2018 4 wins
2019-10-03 14:01
And how much in 2019?
2019-10-03 14:03
that doesn't matter because zeus said that it's his last year
2019-10-03 14:04
Not a bad excuse but s1mple ran out of steam carrying him every tournament while he sits there and does nothing. S1mple said that he should be kicked. Enough.
2019-10-03 14:05
pls link where he said that. also s1mple changed his mouse before major
2019-10-03 14:07
He never said that, at least I didn't see that but that's how it might have been since s1mple is the most valuable player on that team. Nobody wanted Zeus on the team anymore. And I just can't take you seriously anymore after your response.
2019-10-03 14:09
I cant take you seriously, because you dont understand how igl is important in cs go. there were no replacements for zeus after PGL expect from ange1
2019-10-03 14:10
You could have said that and made me understand but instead you gave me that ridiculous response. It's better to quit it before falling ashame.
2019-10-03 14:11
they still didnt get n0thinig shouldve signed him
2019-10-03 06:57
Zeus 1 win on major + 3 finals Navi without Zeus 0 major finals drop out of top 15 Gambit without Zeus 0 major finals and disband Ex Zeus mates who made it to finals without him Adren 1 S1mple 1 So think once again Zeus just tired to play game, he was not involved in this like before
2019-10-03 07:15
He should have retired right after Krakow 2017, it would be the perfect timing. He din't bring anything to the team after team, just sucked into that income like a money leech and killed all of his legacy with his poor performance and his team.
2019-10-03 07:16
top2 team in 2018 with good map record vs prime Astralis if he have good individual performance like in cologne navi can compete for top1 for sure navi players just not stable always 2-4 players out of the game if flamie on fire somebody(electronic,s1mple) suck
2019-10-03 16:46
wasted? exsuse me? they won a lot of events, one major final, 1/2 final, esl one COLOGNE still NOTHING? lmao
2019-10-03 07:16
It wasn't thanks to Zeus and it would be a lot better if they played 5 on 5!
2019-10-03 07:17
LMAO Please check results of NAVI without Zeus and WITH Zeus. check Gambit results without Zeus and WITH Zeus /closed LMAO
2019-10-03 07:25
It's not this black and white, it doesn't revolve around Zeus, they also had seized and Edward back then. Now they're finally free and they're already six times better than ever with Zeus. He was a dead weight for so long.
2019-10-03 07:25
i can agree that THIS roster CAN win more events and FINALLY win a motherfucking major. We will see. Hope so honestly.
2019-10-03 07:27
Yeah, I'm not a hater although it may seem so, but Na'Vi had so much potential and only now they start to realise how to handle it and what decisions to make.
2019-10-03 07:29
??? zeus had seized and edward, so he make difference
2019-10-03 16:47
#174
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Hindsight is 20/20. They were a top 5 team before they removed him then became utter trash without him so of course they wanted him back. And they DID improve when he came back.
2019-10-03 07:30
They had Edward and seized back then, and chained electronic. What kind of an improvement there ever could be. Now we can talk about improvements and you already see it.
2019-10-03 07:31
#192
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
There's nothing to talk about. Just plain facts, They were top 5 > zeus left > they were top 30 > zeus came back > they were top 5.
2019-10-03 08:39
And NiP had a 87-0 streak with 5 barely competitive teams. Who talks about this now? Different times and even back then, Zeus was still terrible with all the good players.
2019-10-03 08:43
#225
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Do you understand how time works? At the time it was a good move. They were a top 5 team with him so they took him back, Everyone would do that if without him they were top 30.
2019-10-03 09:34
This thread is an absolute lie. With Zeus Na`Vi were top2, when they kicked him they became top16 (!!!!) and when Zeus came back to Na`Vi with Kane they became top2 team again and they were in Major Grand Finals. So pls, don't talk if you know nothing about it. If you forgot something I can give you easy formula / plan / historical facts: 1. Na`Vi with Zeus top2 team 2. Na`Vi kicked Zeus 3. Na`Vi became top5, top8 and then top16 (even with super-star players for that time) 4. Gambit won Major with Zeus and became solid top3 team 5. Gambit decided to kick Kane after Major victory without any real reason. 6. Zeus warned them that he will go with Kane and asked them to calm down 7. They ignored Zeus and kicked Kane anyway, so Zeus went with him 8. Na`Vi took Zeus back and they became top2 team again and were in Major finals, always minimum top5 team (top2 in 2018) and won some good trophies. Got it?
2019-10-03 08:12
They had Edward and seized also, with chained electronic. What kind of improvements there could be? Now they are finally FREE and you see them smiling and playing at such a high level. Now you will see the improvements that had to be with HIM but never came to life.
2019-10-03 08:10
Your problem is the fact that you talk about players from NOWADAYS PERSPECTIVE, back in the days Na`Vi's roster without Zeus was considered as THE MOST SKILLED ROSTER of the scene for that time. Seized was not BOT and DECOY, Edward was amazing back in these days. So Na`Vi's roster without Zeus was counted as all-star one. GuardiaN was in-form. But when Zeus went away they became trash and Gambit became top3 team with Major trophy WITH Zeus. Coincidence? I don't think so... And the fact that when Zeus came back to Na`Vi they became good again with their top2 of 2018 and some trophies including Major grand finals. And Gambit became GamBOTs.
2019-10-03 08:15
You're dreaming my fella, on that roster they had only one star at the time and it was GuardiaN, Edward was bad since 2014 with a few times stepping up. Flamie was good but not good enough to be called a star and usually popping off at Major. Seized was terrible, so was Zeus, like always.
2019-10-03 08:16
S1mple?
2019-10-03 08:24
Yeah, him too, I don't remember the roster, GuardiaN went when s1mple came in, right? It was either 1 or 2 anyway, not close to all-star.
2019-10-03 08:42
You don't remember and still creating lying threads, why? S1mple, GuardiaN, Edward, Seized, Flamie S1mple, GuardiaN and Flamie were all considered as big stars, s1mple as super-star. Edward and Seized were really good individually. Back in THESE days.
2019-10-03 09:14
its honeymoon period pls understand that when roster change and team build from the start once again without any internal conflicts wait for 3-4 month they will not be happy
2019-10-03 16:49
We'll see and I feel it won't be the same.
2019-10-04 05:05
#217
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2019-10-03 09:14
#188
Estonia rYm 
0/8
2019-10-03 08:23
who cares navi. Avangar top 1 CIS
2019-10-03 08:53
Yes but it might change soon.
2019-10-03 08:54
#207
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu 
In this 2 years they was better then all NA scene.
2019-10-03 08:53
This year Liquid achieved and earned more than Na'Vi in the recent years and the year hasn't even ended yet. It took a several months.
2019-10-03 08:54
#212
oBo | 
France LauraS 
Completely agree. I seriously hope he hasn't wasted s1mple at his prime. Also, welcome back. Why did you get banned?
2019-10-03 08:57
I was banned in 2018 and I'm back since April, I think, may not be as active though. I'm glad you agree...
2019-10-03 08:59
#215
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
best option was just -edward +s1mple
2019-10-03 09:11
Edward was decent at that time... Why people are judging everything ONLY FROM NOWADAYS' PERSPECTIVE???
2019-10-03 09:15
#222
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
navi were #2 team aat that point (they even hit #1 in ratings) and everyone was decent at that time but edward was still weakest part (after zeus maybe, bcuz at that time starix was calling so zeus was just support player) there was a point to kick zeus but edward had more free roles and positions on map so s1mple would fit fast without changing a lot shit like it happened after -zeus +s1mple s1mple was playing on zeus spots and he wasnt even picking second awp (it was seized) and ofc biggest fucked up thing happened next is valve updated rules about coaches so its hard to blame someone
2019-10-03 09:35
#216
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Sweden Trkmag 
Strongly disagree, Zeus is the reason why CIS has been so good. Hopefully B1ad3 can make Boombl4 shine as an IGL
2019-10-03 09:14
+1
2019-10-03 09:15
It's not in Zeus' regard, he did many a good thing but the recent time he was just bringing it down.
2019-10-03 11:05
NAVI still shit .Bot Guardian can't save NAVI . Zeus is great player. he wasted time of NAVI
2019-10-03 09:17
Behave.
2019-10-03 11:07
#223
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Latvia Zigis 
Not true at all. Simple and flamie have matured hugely and just recently became adequate human beings. Zeus had his hands full working with their personalities and the struggles with it messed with his motivation. He talked about it in some interviews that he is tired being their dad...
2019-10-03 09:24
He's a terrible player, that's what I'm talking about. He didn't have to be their dad or psychologist.
2019-10-03 11:07
Ur gay
2019-10-03 09:37
do you hear about LA Lakers?))) they slid to the very bottom of the NBA, but paid tribute to their best player, with whom they won 5 championships. Approximately the same situation in Navi. The organization paid tribute to its 2 legendary players who stood at the origins of the organization itself. And these 2 years cannot be called lost, the Navis and Zeus returned to the top, but there was no forward movement
2019-10-03 09:57
#229
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Germany FanOfSaitama 
actually true
2019-10-03 10:02
#237
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Actually autistic navi wont win anything again unless simple and electronic 2v5 the whole tournament
2019-10-03 11:15
They finally play as a team now, 4 on 5 to the least.
2019-10-03 11:17
#240
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
No lmao, every round is still made by electronic and simple. They "played like a team" before as well
2019-10-03 11:19
Not true, now everyone delivers, there's no gaps in the kill feature, literally everyone wins their duels. Even flamie who was inconsistent and plain bad outside of Majors, kill them efficiently. It's a new level of the team.
2019-10-03 11:20
#244
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Why are you looking at kills lmao. Do you even watch the games flamie guardian and bombich, literally get free kills when simple and electronic already makes space for the whole team and make it basically easy to win duels. When navi plays a real top team they will crumble again cause two players wont be able to win rounds for the whole team.
2019-10-03 11:25
No matter what you do but getting kills is the main objective in this game, you won't get anything without killing your enemies and all of Na'Vi do their job. Everyone, it wasn't like that before. It's easy but they have all the signs of a good team. No weak links and handless "leaders".
2019-10-03 11:26
#246
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
100% you will see the weakness again when they play against a good team and then everyone will cry and say to kick flamie. And no every kill is not the same if i go get eco frags everytime does that make me a good player instantly? And you can get free kills on rifle rounds as well
2019-10-03 11:30
There are no free kills in this game, there's reason to every easy kill, there are circumstances that have led to it.
2019-10-03 11:54
#249
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Yes, now do you who makes those circumstances for them?
2019-10-03 11:58
Teamplay, I know. Since everyone is doing their job, I mean just basically winning their duels. There are no weak pieces of chain, unlike in the previous rosters. Good team as it seems.
2019-10-03 12:42
#258
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Zzz.. its as if you are baiting you think -zeus +guardian Added teamwork for them?
2019-10-03 13:35
Teamplay, because there are no weak links in the roster, everyone can win their duel and they do very fine together, they couldn't do it with Zeus because he wasn't winning anything himself.
2019-10-03 13:50
#265
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Having sronger individuals players doesnt add teamplay though lmao
2019-10-03 13:54
But did you get what I wrote there, now they can finally set a proper execute without doing a double job for their incapable players.
2019-10-03 14:02
#274
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Not really its still the same two people doing all the work, guardian doing as much as zeus
2019-10-03 14:06
GuardiaN doesn't go negative 24/7 and even flamie started hitting shots. And it's actually Boomb14 who's leading and he's doing 100 times better than Zeus.
2019-10-03 14:07
omg, another crying bastardo baiter who thinks that CS is about fragging. STFU faggot and get lost out of here. How old are you bithc by the way? How old were you in 2010?
2019-10-03 11:46
#251
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Ukraine Gottessohn 
Zeus was trash as a player. But they will win absolutely nothing with russki botflamie and botich) Omegalul
2019-10-03 12:00
Both flamie and Boombla are a lot better than Zeus and Edward were, they're good to go!
2019-10-03 12:43
#260
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Ukraine Gottessohn 
Ofc they are better than zeus and edward, but they are a lot worse than any other player from top 5 teams
2019-10-03 13:38
They're better than stanislaw, they're better than xseveN, they're better than Stewie2K.
2019-10-03 13:49
Agreed. And then they had Edward.
2019-10-03 13:33
#259
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United Kingdom KainZ 
+1 Agreed
2019-10-03 13:36
lol
2019-10-03 14:02
They wasted ~ 6 month cause it would be better if Zeus retired with Edward
2019-10-03 14:16
They wasted ~ 6 month cause it would be better if Zeus retired with Edward
2019-10-03 14:16
Well yeah, or that.
2019-10-03 14:16
wow you are so smart afterwards, what a revelation.
2019-10-03 14:29
flag check fakin USA RUSSIA #1
2019-10-03 14:35
#288
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Albania GreenDog 
Zeus won FIVE Majors. Cry is free
2019-10-03 14:40
-1
2019-10-03 14:49
NA talking eliminated by grayhound
2019-10-03 15:01
NA is strong.
2019-10-03 15:01
And what about 2019? Major finals flops, how many?
2019-10-03 15:06
#311
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Germany rema1 
you dont know what you're talking about
2019-10-03 15:07
Did you see Na'Vi in 2019?
2019-10-03 15:13
#316
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Germany rema1 
did you see Na'vi in 2017? without zeus it was the worst navi ever. they were phenomenal in 2018 with zeus but of course that has nothing to do with him. in 2019 when they struggle it suddenly is only his fault...
2019-10-03 15:18
hltv.org/events/2239/esl-one-new-york-20.. …. …. …. …. …. Before Zeus came back.
2019-10-03 15:11
So you stopped watching Na'Vi in 2018?
2019-10-03 15:13
"Na'Vi wasted 2 YEARS for nothing" Do you wear a helmet all the time?
2019-10-03 15:16
Ok so being in semis/finals whole year and winning 4 events including ESL one cologne is nothing lmao
2019-10-03 15:21
#338
s1mple | 
Russia fnyke 
Riding on simple and electronic firepower. Zeus with terrible aim and lack of motivation was not a IGL for a team that want to be number 1. It was clear as day 1,5-2 years back
2019-10-04 05:17
Ye and who would be IGL in 2018? Ange1? Now in 2019 you actually have reasonable options in boombl4, jerry, jame so its clear as day
2019-10-04 09:54
#319
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Hungary fasomlul 
oke
2019-10-03 15:25
#320
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Hungary fasomlul 
okey
2019-10-03 15:25
#321
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Hungary fasomlul 
ok
2019-10-03 15:25
they did the best they could
2019-10-03 16:49
Yeah I know but Zeus did horrible.
2019-10-04 05:05
Another confident victory, what am I saying! They got rid of their virus and now they are performing like they're meant to.
2019-10-04 05:03
+1
2019-10-04 05:07
#337
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Brazil Gunzel 
n0thing did nothing wrong
2019-10-04 05:13
10/10.
2019-10-04 05:22
#340
s1mple | 
Russia fnyke 
What iam concerned more is that core 3 could developed some bad gaming habits constantly compensating for two old bots. This might hold them back
2019-10-04 05:22
This really might but they all have been playing some FPL and I think they got a hold of their individual skill and took care of it, especially s1mple. You can already see them smiling and laughing, they're happy to finally play 5 on 5!
2019-10-04 05:24
Everyone is playing better already. I hope they maintain this form. thx Guardian and thx 200 KG 200 IQ Boombl4
2019-10-04 05:43
Of course one of the most renowned players in the whole of CS history is just completely overrated. The guy that won multiple majors in 1.6 and has been in top5 teams for his whole career, the guy that won a major with an outsider team. Of course he is pure garbage...
2019-10-04 05:26
Read into what I said, I don't take anything from him, just the time when he won a Major and came back to Na'Vi for some reason although he had no contribution obviously, he was just cheering them up and limiting them from achieving more.
2019-10-04 05:27
14:00EHOME vs Bren
EHOME
2.17
Bren
1.66
13:00FaZe vs NiP
FaZe
1.60
NiP
2.38
21:00paiN vs DETONA
paiN
1.57
DETONA
2.36
Bet
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