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-NAF = Tier 3
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North America JC_123 
If Liquid drops NAF they lose the best NA roster ever. Removing anyone but Stewie is a brain-dead move. Don't want to have to start cheering for only EG and C9 (((((
2019-10-04 04:35
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#1
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Brazil Coldzera_top1 
no one cares about Liquid
2019-10-04 04:38
#5
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North America JC_123 
everything checks out
2019-10-04 04:40
ahaha +1
2019-10-04 05:14
everything checks out
2019-10-04 05:59
#64
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Japan Ron1E 
ahaha +1
2019-10-04 12:35
#71
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Sweden Trkmag 
ahaha +1
2019-10-04 12:39
#76
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India L1nu5 
ahaha +1
2019-10-04 13:07
#89
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United States highlandyirr 
ahaha +1
2019-10-05 05:50
#48
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Latvia BurgerFan 
If they have issues outside the game with naf they shouldnt force him to stay. Naf brings alot to liquid, but if they keep losing they gotta change something.
2019-10-04 06:59
#67
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Europe unlukomaluko 
Lmao
2019-10-04 12:38
#40
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Germany FanOfSaitama 
NA*
2019-10-04 05:39
only LULquid C9 1 Major <3
2019-10-04 07:01
No one cares about Lulzillia
2019-10-04 07:04
#56
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Brazil Coldzera_top1 
whole earth care
2019-10-04 07:37
Why would we?
2019-10-04 12:13
#79
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Brazil Coldzera_top1 
stay away from me pls. i am homophobic
2019-10-04 13:15
Igl need a igl, not auti
2019-10-04 04:38
exactly, naf is a good awper and can almost top frag for a team with elige and twistzz. now, stewie is more of a streamer than a tier 1 player. he's been doing the worst on this team out of everybody by a while. -Stew +whoever they are considering dropping naf for
2019-10-04 04:39
#7
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United States xxpowmanxx 
Stewie does his job well, they all do. They report wasnt about his performance, it was about a conflict.
2019-10-04 04:46
ik but still, he's the worst player besides maybe nitr0 and that's cuz he igls
2019-10-04 04:48
just because some guy won money a couple years ago by getting carried doesn't mean that he's good. is this the part where you tell me that olof is still good?
2019-10-04 04:53
12/8
2019-10-04 05:49
#12
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United States xxpowmanxx 
thats probably not true tbh you cant really compare the different roles like that. Stewie is entry rifler, his job is information and in situations trying for first kills.
2019-10-04 04:49
#13
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United States _ATaXiA_ 
It's 100% between Stew and NAF. Stew is a cunt and NAF use to be toxic AF. I'd love to hear it lul.
2019-10-04 04:49
#14
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France Nairelav 
Do you know what happend ?
2019-10-04 04:50
#4
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North America fernando_123 
Even if it happens it still won't be as bad as ENCE removing Aleksib from their roster
2019-10-04 04:39
+1
2019-10-04 12:38
#6
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North America JC_123 
If they can't see that NAF carried them for over half a year and made them into an actual competitive team they don't deserve him though.
2019-10-04 04:41
#8
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United States _ATaXiA_ 
Hopefully NAF goes to EG or Cloud9, would really hate to see him on a T2(Complexity/Envy) NA team after being on a #1 ranked team.
2019-10-04 04:48
#29
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United States Slyckz 
complexity will be better than cloud 9 cloud 9 is a tier 2 tier 3 team
2019-10-04 05:17
#35
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Canada thelegend27 
and both will still be bad. you cant spell tier 1 with RUSH/koosta/mixwell/daps/dephh
2019-10-04 05:30
mixwell is decent tbh, Rush can be decent as well if he finds form. The others, though? Can't say much about them.
2019-10-04 12:52
#87
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United States Slyckz 
dephh for sure the others idk honestly
2019-10-05 05:23
#10
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United States finedenim 
In case you don't get it, personality/chemistry tends to weigh more than skill in esports. It's not uncommon news.
2019-10-04 04:48
#15
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North America JC_123 
I think when there's disagreement in a roster of this caliber they should work it out instead of booting a key piece of the team out. They'll be risking their chance at millions of dollars in event prizes should they destroy their roster like this. I think that's bad business and seems unprofessional to me.
2019-10-04 04:51
#18
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United States finedenim 
Stuff like this isn't a one time thing, Liquid just had some bad losses recently so it wouldn't be surprising for that sort of toxic behavior to erupt in those cases. Because you also need to realize, personality isn't easy to change, infact it's near impossible, the money doesn't outweigh the literal hate that people can get from their own teammates for what comes out of their mouth in the middle of a game. Has nothing to do with business, just literally a bad attitude.
2019-10-04 04:53
#17
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United States brentliu9 
I don't see any article dropping this news where is it?
2019-10-04 04:53
rushB
2019-10-04 04:55
#21
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United States brentliu9 
ty it seems like autimatic is a speculation but idk who else they could get that would have a chance to improve upon NAF
2019-10-04 05:00
#22
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North America JC_123 
I don't think he'd even be an upgrade. I think Brezhe is the only one that would be better.
2019-10-04 05:01
true but i dont think brezhe would leave eg or if liquid even has the money to buy him out of his fresh contract
2019-10-04 05:04
and Brehze is def not leaving Evil Geniuses
2019-10-04 05:04
#26
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India ROFLaala 
Auti would be a great upgrade
2019-10-04 05:06
weird naf doesnt seem like the guy who has conflicts with other people, still id remove twistzz or stewie before him
2019-10-04 05:04
The theory i heard is that its someone else, and theyre using him as a scapegoat
2019-10-04 05:19
idk its just a weird decision his personality seems super chill and he is their 2nd best player
2019-10-04 05:22
I agree I think -stewie, but there arent any decent entries available on the scene to replace him. EG would never trade brehze for Stewie. Though of course the person replacing stewie doesn't have to be an entry. Autimatic, TenZ or even tarik might be a possibility
2019-10-04 05:27
best move for top 1 would be -stew +brehze but that wont happen +wardell and getting a real main awp +nitr0 as secondary would be nice or maybe someone unproven like infinite or yay
2019-10-04 05:30
I dont think an org like Liquid is going to gamble on unproven talents. Twistzz was the biggest gamble they ever took as an org and even he was someone that was pretty well-proven already.
2019-10-04 07:11
elige jumped straight into liquid at the start
2019-10-04 13:14
-nitro + hunden
2019-10-04 05:16
#33
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Japan Jotaro 
Naf more overrated then liquid itself
2019-10-04 05:28
#39
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South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8 btw
2019-10-04 05:37
#34
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Russia Mer1an 
Naf>twitzzzzz Naf= elige
2019-10-04 05:29
#37
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Mongolia OSMonster 
+tarik
2019-10-04 05:32
#38
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South Africa nimmaJ 
No one on Liquid should be removed unless its literally impossible to play/practice with that player, too talented of a roster and theres almost no improvements to get role for role in NA.
2019-10-04 05:36
+1 thats what im saying
2019-10-04 07:10
Best player of NA = yung $tew If they need to kick a player that does not fit team, can't really choose. Auti will replace NAF if so, good bye NA.
2019-10-04 05:54
I want liquid to stay how it is but if any move -NAF isnt the right move -stewie +autimatic
2019-10-04 05:52
#44
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United States sxg 
-stew + auti kicking naf is dumb hes good as fuck
2019-10-04 05:53
-NAF +auti can be beneficial to Stewie at the same time since they are one of the best duos in history
2019-10-04 05:57
#52
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Germany Constikdw 
One of the best duos In history? Lmao
2019-10-04 07:05
They are no doubt one of the scariest duos to play against
2019-10-04 12:27
#63
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Sweden FujinWoW 
One of the best duos in asia
2019-10-04 12:31
#47
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Israel geturlolon 
-nitro if you can get someone like sleksibob to igl -elige if someone better than current olof will join anything else and liquid will never escape the lilb curse
2019-10-04 06:02
"I don't want to be able to only cheer for C9" and EG" You are literally made out of plastic
2019-10-04 07:02
#86
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North America JC_123 
I wouldn't not cheer for them because they're bad I'd not cheer for them because they are r worded
2019-10-04 17:53
nah please dont make any changes its 1 bad event for fucks sake. Astralis went out in groups at a Blast event shortly after their era and never made a change, and look where they are right now. #1 in the world again after they grinded back.
2019-10-04 07:09
Really? The way I remember it, the addition of NAF never really added up to what people were hyping it up to be. He was supposed to be some kind of a superstar, while he barely did better than friggen TACO. He has his odd tournament, or perhaps a match in a tournament where he has a godlike performance - only to be absolute garbage for the rest. As much as I dislike stew, it was the addition of his scrawny unpredictable ass (plus adreN, of course) that got them really over the threshold of actually being able to win something. Don't act like NAF is something special when he's barely been decent. For fucks sake, the guy knows himself he's been pretty shit, falling way short from expectations. I might not like Snake2K, but unlike NAF he has value not as easily replaced at this point in time. Idk if auti is what they need, but they definitely don't need NAF when he can't fire on even half of his cylinders most of the time.
2019-10-04 07:41
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United Kingdom shuba123 
????? He's been liquid's second best player for a while
2019-10-04 12:30
Maybe if you only looked at the rating. Do you watch him in the matches? He's usually asleep for half the map. Whether it is the first half, or the 2nd half, doesn't much matter. The fact is, when he's not 'on', they're playing 4 vs 5, because he's not even on the server. On those moments, they'd wish they had TACO over his ass. And HIS deaths, unlike Snake2K's, do not disrupt the opponent, nor give any information to Liquid, other than "Oh, he went down, we're kinda fucked now, let's see how we salvage this". Also, it's not like it's hard for him to put up the numbers. In his role, he gets to have the cleanup and trade kills. Those inflate his numbers. So he rides on that fat, along with the occasional matches where he DOES have godlike performances, which sadly are few and far between. I've always been keeping an eye on him, because of what people hyped him up to be when he joined. The hype is justified when he fires on all his cylinders, I'll give him that. But the fact of the matter is, he's not even firing half of them 90% of the time. And half of that 90% of the time, the rest of the team is playing with one man down.
2019-10-04 12:47
so you prefer 1.04 rating/0.88 impact rating exit fragger twistzz?
2019-10-04 13:21
Where you get those numbers from? Last 3 months, I guess? Keep in mind he has supposedly been holding back since december, to make room for stew, and he doesn't usually awp. But yeah, I kinda do prefer him. Twistzz doesn't strike me as someone who would let their personal bad game affect the rest of the team. Whereas NAF visibly radiates the feeling on discomfort within the whole team when he's feeling shit over not having yet switched in his gears. He might not be raging, or acting as toxic as he used to. But just one look at his face tells you everything you need to know about the mood. And you can see the rest slowly sinking along with it if the game doesn't improve. He has traded his former toxicity for passive-aggressive menacing, and people look at him and go like "huh, he seems chill" when it's far from it. Affecting the team atmosphere like that might just play a role here, if that rushB article - which admittedly seems to be more of a clickbait rumor than something factual - really turns out to be true. But hey, that's like my opinion.
2019-10-04 17:21
the stats are from the last month for twistzz,last 3 months is even worse idk twistzz seems like the guy to get easily upset and who has mood swings the one toxic moment from that clip on nuke was apparently a one time thing,they talked about it in the podcast with all the ex-optic people
2019-10-04 17:24
+1
2019-10-04 12:30
-NAF +WOXİC
2019-10-04 12:30
#65
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Japan Ron1E 
Why woxic leave mouz for worse team?
2019-10-04 12:36
#70
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Europe unlukomaluko 
Mouz is shit anyways
2019-10-04 12:39
Because woxic> mousesports
2019-10-04 16:39
eg -ethan +naf ez for stan/tarik/naf trio
2019-10-04 12:36
#68
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Europe unlukomaluko 
-naf isn't happening, even stewie said it onTwitter t
2019-10-04 12:38
maybe you are right
2019-10-04 12:45
-stew -WARDELL Would be a great move, they need a great awper
2019-10-04 13:04
#77
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World memyselfandI 
NAF should remove his ass from that boyband and join a team of someone with pubes hair :)
2019-10-04 13:14
NAF and EliGE > nitr0 and Stew > Baiter Twistzz
2019-10-04 13:17
#81
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United States MR_Rodgerzz 
just in a slump rn
2019-10-04 13:20
NA event minimum of 2 EU teams in semis. EU event, NA jetlags out of the groups. LOL
2019-10-05 05:44
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