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GOAT Debate
device | 
Denmark 4vs0 
I think overall 1. F0rest 2. GTR 3. NEO csgo 1. Device 2. Flusha 3. Coldzera Remember, GOAT isnt the best player of all time, but the greatest Greatness isnt just skill, but legacy, achievements, and length of dominance
2019-10-09 17:40
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#1
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Portugal HeliumSnow
I actually agree lol finally
2019-10-09 17:41
32 replies
#2
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
? we disagreed in the past?
2019-10-09 17:41
31 replies
CS GO Coldzera Dev1ce Flusha Overall Forest Neo GTR
2019-10-09 17:52
16 replies
COLDZERA LUL
2019-10-09 18:32
12 replies
Whats funny about that you fcking midget. He won 2 majors, and was two year in row best player in world. Yes device have 4 majors, but never was best player in the world.
2019-10-10 20:22
11 replies
stupid arguement considering device had a better year in 2018 than cold in 16/17 only that s1mple had a god year device is better than cold in almost every measure more majors/major mvps more top 20s (measure of stardom) more top 5s (measure of superstardom) more top 3s (measure of elite superstardom) more tournaments won team more successful double digit big events in a year more big event mvps on a top team for a longer amount of time more deep major runs more deep tournament runs consistent top team since 2014
2019-10-10 20:28
7 replies
You didnt write year when device was best player in world... ( oh yes there is no one) "team more successful" you yust said it all and how the fuck did he have better year 2018 than cold 16/17??
2019-10-10 20:34
6 replies
Is ur brain not complex enough to understand that dev1ce's prime came when s1mple's prime came whereas cold's prime was 2 years earlier? instead of comparison the years of 2016 and 2018, why dont u just compare device and cold head to head? even hltv admins admitted in dev had played in any other year he would be #1
2019-10-10 20:35
4 replies
Emilia is that you?
2019-10-10 20:38
#371
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India MistaJ
In 2018 cold didn't have proper team ..so ratings went below ..that's doesn't mean that cold 's prime was less then devices prime ...best comparison is head to head..not with teams
2019-10-12 11:34
2 replies
i didnt say cold 2018 i said device 2018 > cold 2016/2017 which is just facts same rating, 2018 device 8 big event mvps/1 major mvp/10 big events won 2016 cold 3 big event mvps/2 major mvp/3 big events won 2017 cold 3 big event mvp/ 0 major mvp/5 big events won also hltv admin tw1grils noted that device would have been world #1 any year other than 2018, since prime s1mple was too good, but device in 2018 was still > gtr 2013, gtr 2014, olof 2015, cold 2016, cold 2017
2019-10-12 22:11
hltv.org/news/25878/top-20-players-of-20.. CTRL + F: "2014-2017" "However, his amazing year, which would be worthy of the No.1 spot in any of the 2014-2017 rankings, simply wasn't enough in 2018." EZ4GOATVICE
2019-10-12 23:09
hltv.org/news/25878/top-20-players-of-20.. "However, his amazing year, which would be worthy of the No.1 spot in any of the 2014-2017 rankings, simply wasn't enough in 2018." Tears go here nazi \_/ D4(major)v2(majormvp)ce 2018 > cold 2016/2017
2019-10-12 23:11
coldzera is the midget haha
2019-10-11 17:33
#406
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North America 007DBR9
cold LMAOOOO
2019-10-13 01:24
axaxaxaxaxa
2019-10-13 02:28
No. There is only one and his name is Flusha. Rest kinda doesn't matter tbh.
2019-10-09 21:06
2 replies
name and flair check out
2019-10-09 21:43
Mouselifters can't be GOAT.
2019-10-10 20:26
I think he said something like "i finally agree with some GOAT topic". He wasn't talking specifically about u.
2019-10-09 18:33
2 replies
yeah vlw ae
2019-10-09 23:24
1 reply
de nada irmaõ
2019-10-10 01:42
Krimz is the greatest to do it. Nobody has played at that high a level for that long. Maybe forest
2019-10-09 22:23
10 replies
#214
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Portugal mrsc
f0rest has been playing at the highest level for 14 years now, and counting
2019-10-10 00:35
9 replies
But he had more dips in form and they were more dramatic. Krimz was always good even when his team was
2019-10-11 03:49
8 replies
lmao? f0rest was a top 5 player for a decade krimz was a top 5 player for like 3 months in 2018
2019-10-11 16:57
7 replies
Cmon. 2015 to present day. Forest actually probably better but there is a legitimate argument
2019-10-12 05:23
6 replies
dude what are u on about krimz was great in 2014, 2015, and 2018 f0rest was great in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
2019-10-12 05:41
5 replies
yeah because you for sure remember all those years if he was good or not XD and being good in 1.6 is quite irrelevant
2019-10-13 01:06
2 replies
being good in 1.6 is 129308138109831x more relevent then being good in source cough cough flag also f0rest was better in csgo than krimz aswell so thats that
2019-10-13 01:07
1 reply
do you really think I give a fuck about the French scene? :D I have nothing to do with it and you have nothing to do with the Danish scene so what's your point lmao and no, he really wasn't
2019-10-13 01:10
You are trying to have a different conversation than me
2019-10-13 01:13
1 reply
ur saying krimz has been great for one of the longest periods of time in csgo history, like f0rest, im saying otherwise F0rest 10+ years GTR 10+ years Shox 5+ years NEO 5+ years device 5+ years guardian 5+ years kennyS 5+ years snax 3+ years s1mple 3+ years cold 3+ years flusha 3+ years krimz 3 years
2019-10-13 01:18
device AHAHHHHAAHHA
2019-10-09 17:41
12 replies
Ummm,.... 4majors 2mvps, ummmmnn a lot of tournaments.... Ummmm GOAT team..... Era in 2018..... Top2 2018 individual
2019-10-09 17:43
10 replies
xyp9x > ecovice
2019-10-09 17:43
9 replies
xyp9x > ecovice
2019-10-09 17:45
7 replies
xyp9x > ecovice
2019-10-09 17:53
4 replies
ecivoce > x9pyx
2019-10-09 17:55
3 replies
I AGREE
2019-10-09 17:58
+1
2019-10-09 18:03
#91
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Norway k3ron
+1
2019-10-09 18:10
#378
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Denmark Azyyy
ecovice? He is second in "success in opening duels won in big events"
2019-10-12 22:43
1 reply
check his flair hes one of those kids to say fnatic > astralis because fnatic played in a "more competitive era" "more competitive" is literally code for the best team was less dominant, because if the best team is more dominant, then other teams look worse by comparison
2019-10-12 22:46
Xyp9x<ecovice
2019-10-09 18:40
dev1ce is the least valuable player for Astralis.
2019-10-11 17:43
cs 1.6 Xyp9x cs go ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb
2019-10-09 17:41
12 replies
CS1.6 oBo CS:GO byali
2019-10-09 17:46
6 replies
no
2019-10-09 18:04
4 replies
yes
2019-10-09 18:08
1 reply
NO!
2019-10-09 19:39
yes
2019-10-09 18:12
1 reply
NO!
2019-10-09 19:39
#94
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Norway k3ron
CS 1.6 s0m CS:GO face
2019-10-09 18:11
#189
Snax | 
Poland xBG1
1.6 only neo/f0rest can reach this
2019-10-09 21:02
4 replies
only Xyr9x
2019-10-09 21:03
3 replies
#191
Snax | 
Poland xBG1
xyp9x playing in cs1.6?
2019-10-09 21:04
2 replies
idk
2019-10-09 21:42
In the last year
2019-10-13 02:28
#5
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Sweden k4rlsson
CSGO 1 device 2 flusha 3 jw
2019-10-09 17:42
24 replies
#6
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
JW not even top 15
2019-10-09 17:42
22 replies
#8
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Sweden k4rlsson
he will proove u wrong next months
2019-10-09 17:42
21 replies
#12
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
JW 2015 most undeserved HLTV placement in csgo history top 10 with a negative rating what a joke
2019-10-09 17:43
20 replies
still better awp skills then device just holding corners KEKW
2019-10-09 17:45
19 replies
#30
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
nope hitting the occasional bhop frag <<<<<<< consistently getting frags with a passive playstyle to insure minimal risk
2019-10-09 17:48
17 replies
occasional LULW
2019-10-09 17:50
10 replies
#37
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
jesus christ JW might not even be top 20 hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3849/JW/7..
2019-10-09 17:51
9 replies
and then u bring stats to justify that a player is better then other LMAO, typical Denmark Low iq
2019-10-09 17:53
5 replies
#56
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
ok so whats it called when rating better achievements better majors better major mvps better impact better tournament wins better big event wins better big event mvps better KAST better awp kills per round better entry kills better top 20 for 6 years instead of 3 (1 undeserved for JW) top 5 for 5 years instead of 1 top 3 for 4 years instead of 0 everything better except headshot rate whats that called then? typical fnatic fangay device > jw astralis > fnatic
2019-10-09 17:55
3 replies
jw > device
2019-10-09 17:58
Device is clearly better, don't even waste your time with him
2019-10-09 18:04
#148
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Germany Gabbah
Finally someone, who has a fcking brain. I totally agree with you, even tho JW in his prime was sick. But device is the better player by far.
2019-10-09 20:16
0/8
2019-10-09 20:44
#407
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North America 007DBR9
switch to 2018 device and 2015 JW lmao
2019-10-13 01:26
2 replies
why? we are talking about there entire careers, even so hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3849/JW/7.. the difference is even bigger
2019-10-13 01:26
1 reply
#413
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North America 007DBR9
that was the joke, but ok
2019-10-13 02:16
u such a newf#g, u are so dumb, u probably dont follow the scene when JW and KennyS were the bestest awpers mens))
2019-10-09 17:52
5 replies
#42
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
when KennyS was the best awper, not JW, 4th best player on prime fnatic
2019-10-09 17:52
1 reply
NT dev1ce
2019-10-09 17:53
GuardiaN best awper!
2019-10-09 18:01
2 replies
#149
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Germany Gabbah
no? He is legit shit atm. I would pick someone like device over guardian anytime.
2019-10-09 20:23
1 reply
He talked about back in the day.
2019-10-10 08:52
#291
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Poland Adisky
Silver spotted lmao If you know anything then u would notice how solid and consistent dev1ce is on ct side especially and usually other teams go anywhere else to avoid him
2019-10-10 20:59
JW ? Are u smoking horse shit?
2019-10-09 17:53
#7
NBK- | 
Sweden Lemiwix
overall is dumb af and means nothing. and Device is the goat no matter what. cold is #2 definately and flusha has a good case for #3
2019-10-09 17:42
15 replies
#10
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
overall = counter strike franchise ofc it matters, over 50% of the time cs existed, it was 1.6 not GO
2019-10-09 17:43
12 replies
ya but its 2 entirely different games and you cant really conflate them into one. its just a fucking stupid concept
2019-10-09 17:44
11 replies
#29
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
so is having a goat in the first place since the meta changes and players good now could be shit back then, players shit back then could be good now now stop being a killjoy
2019-10-09 17:48
7 replies
a different meta is not equal to a whole different game. and stop being a baby when somone says your thing is dumb?
2019-10-09 17:49
6 replies
#34
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
im the baby? last time i checked it was u who started the pointless bullshit argument that has no possible gain cya
2019-10-09 17:50
5 replies
you can say the same thing about this whole fucking thread. god damn idiot
2019-10-09 17:51
4 replies
#47
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
i made the thread to get opinions u made ur comment to cry and start an argument try again
2019-10-09 17:53
3 replies
Your crying that I gave you my opinion mate :)
2019-10-09 17:57
1 reply
#63
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
Your crying for no reason mate :)
2019-10-09 17:57
funny read, both funny. clap clap
2019-10-09 18:02
Not really, they are different games but it's no different than say League of Legends or something that changes massively each year. It's still the same concept with same fundamentals.
2019-10-09 18:46
+1 more people needs to understand this. 1.6 CS:S CS:GO is 3 different games you cant fuse them together. You can make a case for the goat of each game not overall
2019-10-09 22:04
lol ur retarded, it makes perfect sense
2019-10-10 02:32
#409
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North America 007DBR9
#1 f0rest #2 GTR #3 NEO csgo #1 Flusha #2 idk Device maybe? #3 S1mple????
2019-10-13 01:27
#410
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North America 007DBR9
retard spotted
2019-10-13 01:28
#13
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Guatemala Nicaraqua
"Greatness isnt just skill, but legacy, achievements, and length of dominance" Then why are Cold and Flusha in your top 3 instead of other members of astralis
2019-10-09 17:43
33 replies
cold 2 time major mvp + 2 time #1 player is better than the other members of astralis
2019-10-09 17:44
18 replies
#26
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Guatemala Nicaraqua
The other members of Astralis have better Legacy and Achievements and lenght of dominance (except magisk maybe because he came later) But having 4 Majors 1.5-2 Years of Dominance , and winning almost all tournaments , is better then 2 mvps and getting number 1 spot
2019-10-09 17:46
17 replies
I disagree I think most of them were carried by device tbh. also you have to add as a player they get fucking bodied by cold
2019-10-09 17:47
15 replies
“most of them were carried by device” I didn’t expect someone to be that deluded and ignorant until I saw that sentence.
2019-10-10 00:22
wtfff??? no one in astralis is carrying anybody, that's why they are the best team ever.
2019-10-10 01:33
13 replies
however device is by far the best player during the past 4 years and anyone who uses the "he just camps with awp" excuse is braindead
2019-10-10 01:35
12 replies
i don't deny he is the best player, but saying he "carried" astralis is just delusional, everyone on the team play off each other and support each other
2019-10-10 01:36
7 replies
true but almost everyone on this list wasnt a carry the only true legendary carry's in csgo are s1mple guardian kennyS and zywoo, and they only have 1 major between the 4 of them gtr and f0rest had each other flusha and olof had each other cold fallen each other device good cast etc.
2019-10-10 01:38
6 replies
sure i agree. and I don't understand why you are arguing with me
2019-10-10 01:39
5 replies
im not, im just saying its dumb to highlight the situation as device having a good team because ur suggesting he wasnt by far the best player which he IS yea his team is good but he is great
2019-10-10 01:40
4 replies
i didn't suggest that at all? I think all astralis core should be top5 all time. Where did u get the idea that i think device is not top 1?
2019-10-10 01:42
3 replies
like i said, i wasnt arguing with what u said but what it suggested
2019-10-10 01:42
2 replies
again i didn't suggest what you think i suggested at all, and i don't know how u can possibly misinterpret what i said.
2019-10-10 01:43
1 reply
whatever device goat dupreeh goat entry xyp9x goat support gla1ve goat igl magisk not a goat cuz craterface and toxic
2019-10-10 01:44
its shows ur bias when u say best player by far in last 4 years...alot of people wouldnt even say he was the best in the last 4 years period. When u put him up against cold,simple, olof,flusha. No1 but a true blind fanboy would say best by far...
2019-10-10 02:35
3 replies
learn context kid best player by far ON ASTRALIS the topic was astralis
2019-10-10 02:48
2 replies
lol maybe u should learn context "kid" the topic of the thread is GOAT, not GOAT on asstralis, and in ur post it says nothing about u only speaking of asstralis. Maybe u should make ur own thread only relating to asstralis, or next time learn how to fucking speak english fgt.
2019-10-10 03:01
1 reply
the context changed from overall to astralis when the argument of astralis was presented, NA brain too retarded
2019-10-11 17:09
Daniel Alves is man with more tournaments in Football history and hesnt between the 50 best players in the history. Stop being nosense
2019-10-09 17:55
Bc he put his beloved ecov2ce and just not to make it a joke list added these two so no one would call his list biased
2019-10-09 17:46
1 reply
0/8
2019-10-09 20:46
#24
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
ISNT just skill doesnt mean no skill skill is also involved but not the only factor 2x top 1, 2x major mvp, 3x top 20 thats why hes behind dev and flusha who have been better for longer, but dupreeh never touched prime cold''s level, never took a major mvp, never the best player on his team, same for xyp magisk and gla1ve
2019-10-09 17:46
9 replies
#97
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Sweden Trkmag
dupreeh got robbed of a major MVP though
2019-10-09 18:12
8 replies
device got robbed of one (atlanta 2017) dupreeh didnt
2019-10-09 18:40
7 replies
#120
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Sweden Trkmag
Imo dupreeh should have got FACEIT Major MVP but yeah you are right it evens out with Atlanta
2019-10-09 18:47
5 replies
tbh electronic was the true faceit major mvp
2019-10-09 18:48
4 replies
losers can’t be the MVP
2019-10-09 19:03
3 replies
might not have happened at the major yet, but doesnt mean elec didnt deserve it he carried so hard 1v5 in the final
2019-10-09 19:05
2 replies
still lost, if he team lost, he should not be considered the most valuable player at the major
2019-10-10 17:31
1 reply
+1
2019-10-10 20:42
Wtf you on about kid ? Ecov2ce shouldn’t have never got a Major MVP for Atlanta. Lol up the stats, esp 3rd map where ecov2ce has been shifting his pants harder than Choko. Thankfully, shakerbye saved his sorry ass :)
2019-10-10 00:23
According to who, exactly? The GOAT Committee?
2019-10-09 21:43
Isn't just skill, but it does comprise a major part
2019-10-13 02:30
Lio Messi is GOAT
2019-10-09 17:44
17 replies
CR7 > Messi
2019-10-09 17:44
9 replies
Flag checks out
2019-10-09 18:03
7 replies
CR7 5 CL Messi 4 CL lmao
2019-10-09 18:45
6 replies
Cr7 2 La Liga Messi 10 La Liga LMAO
2019-10-09 18:47
5 replies
la liga omegalul
2019-10-09 18:49
4 replies
1 reply
#126
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Sweden Trkmag
+1
2019-10-09 18:51
1 reply
yes
2019-10-09 18:51
+1
2019-10-09 18:04
Agree 100% Messi>> Pelé>>>>>>>>>Maradona>>CR7>>>R9, Ronaldinho and Zidane.
2019-10-09 17:57
5 replies
no men)) Maradona > CR7 > R9 > Pele > Messi > Zidane > Ronaldinho
2019-10-09 18:05
3 replies
wtf LOL Even Messi > Maradona
2019-10-09 18:07
2 replies
Maradona GOAT El Cocaina Patron El Magnifico Long live Diego!
2019-10-09 18:08
1 reply
On cocaine Maradona is really the GOAT. 0 doubts about it Playing football, Messi and Pelé are by far the best players in the history.
2019-10-09 20:01
Messi/Pelé >>> R10 >>>>> R9/CR7 >>>>>> Zidane/Maradona
2019-10-09 18:08
#93
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Sweden Trkmag
+1
2019-10-09 18:10
move NEO to #1 on 1.6 and I'd agree. Good list!
2019-10-09 17:44
12 replies
#20
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
i didnt make a 1.6 list overall = GO + 1.6
2019-10-09 17:45
11 replies
I get that, I do. I watched 1.6 from about 2010 so I saw very late NEO dominance but he was still a literal wizard of the game I think GO definitely is better tbh
2019-10-09 17:58
10 replies
#67
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
yea if i made a 1.6 list it would prob be neo 1 f0rest 2 markeloff 3 but i didnt want to since i didnt watch too much 1.6 so i made the overall for f0rest gtr top 2 since they were really the only 2 players who were top 10 in both csgo and 1.6 so legendary, then neo 3 cuz top 1 1.6 but not top 100 csgo
2019-10-09 17:59
2 replies
markeloff had like 1 good year tbh, navi were dominating when i started watching NEO definitely top 25 csgo legend, not exactly a top 25 player though (sadly.)
2019-10-09 18:04
1 reply
yeah neo was kinda shit in csgo only 1 top 20 and it wasnt even that high not many mvps or shit since he was the 4th best player on the team
2019-10-10 01:39
If you only watched from 2010 then you missed four glorious years from f0rest on top of being one of the very best at the end of 1.6 aswell. Imo he's had more impact for way longer than neo. However neo is still the pretty much undisputed nr2 on that list.
2019-10-09 18:07
6 replies
i would've been 6 years old lmao, but yeah I missed f0rest in earlier 1.6 sadly.
2019-10-09 18:07
NEO was raping fnatic and f0rest in 1.6
2019-10-11 17:42
4 replies
and NEO was being raped in csgo where as f0rest is top 10 all time csgo
2019-10-11 18:02
3 replies
X D
2019-10-14 12:25
since when being in top3 for almost 4 years is being raped
2019-10-14 12:25
1 reply
neo was never top 10 on csgo he was never one of the best players on the team (pasha snax > neo) he was only top 20 once, and he had like a 1.05 rating or something
2019-10-14 16:52
f0rest is GOAT overall, theres no discussion about it
2019-10-09 17:50
2 replies
#35
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
ofc 15 year prime insane
2019-10-09 17:50
#105
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Sweden Trkmag
+1
2019-10-09 18:30
#38
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
shox > NEO in overall if you credit source
2019-10-09 17:51
17 replies
#39
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
source literally counts for 1% of GO and 2% of 1.6
2019-10-09 17:52
16 replies
#45
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
The very top of source was as competitive as the top of 1.6
2019-10-09 17:53
15 replies
#62
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
and how long was that? lmao try again shox fangay he doesnt touch neo
2019-10-09 17:57
14 replies
For around 3-4 years in cs source shox was on the very top. +4 years in csgo Compared to neo's 6 in cs 1.6 If you credit source, i repeat again, shox is better than neo ovrrall
2019-10-09 21:00
13 replies
neo was great in source for like a decade also shox wasnt great in csgo for 4 years, only 2
2019-10-10 01:27
12 replies
shox was great in 2014 and 2015. Under Happy he had a harder entry role and thats why his numbers lowered a bit, he was still a top 3 player skill wise. And neo was great from 2005-2012 shox 2008-2016
2019-10-10 01:30
11 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/1225/shox.. my guy these arent "great" numbers they are barely top 20 why is it so hard for u to admit neo is just better overall
2019-10-10 01:36
10 replies
He finished 2014 as the 8th best player in hltv ranking and 2015 as the #13th. While playing the majority of those 2 years as a hard entry, he was the best entry in the world at that time. Also have in mind that this is rating 1.0 which is 0.06 lower than rating 2.0 which is used from 2017
2019-10-10 01:58
9 replies
i didnt say they werent good numbers i said they werent great numbers btw he didnt do too well at the top t1 events that year, only the sorta t1 lans hltv.org/stats/players/compare/1225/shox..
2019-10-10 02:18
8 replies
Hia numbers were overall low because he was a hard entry under Happy, mid 2015 tho he started going negative as he hit a slump which led to him and smithzz getting kicked from the team
2019-10-10 02:39
7 replies
yeah role isnt exactly an excuse thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes
2019-10-10 02:49
6 replies
Ofcourse it fucking is, he wasnt supposed to be the star anymore and he still delivered in the hardest role next to the igl. He was the first in, not the second the first in execs. To add onto #248 which contributes to shox legacy Nbk kicked him and smithzz for kenny and apex and enjoyed success shortly after winning a major with prime kenny, apex and happy on his team. They were poised to continue their strong form and win t1 tournaments in 2016 but soo, started to decline and they tried devil instead of kio and then sixer who were ofc the scapegoats but the problem wasnt them it was in the nbk happy core creating problems again. While shox was left to rot with the remnants of titan who lost their 2 best players kenny and apex. First it was maniac in there and shox performed better than before again as he had a better role. But they werent getting results and obviously lacked firepower, they bring in ScreaM instead of maniac and shox goes to entry again now under ex6. They get quite some time with ex6 and dont perform. Shox then does the biggest dick move of removing ex6 bringing in a nonamer bodyy taking the igl role after trying it out previously in ldlc and epsilon and getting to fucking top 2 world with rpk bodyy and fucking smithzz on his team, as a top 5 player of the year while igleading he proved the fuck out of himself and it was a big fuck you to nbk and happy who rotted with prime kenny and apex. Then nbk the toxic leech who couldnt do shit with a better team on paper uses g2s slump and makes himself a package deal with apex and Kenny ( the only player they needed ) and shox goes to a supportive igl role never finding his star identity consistently again to this day
2019-10-10 03:04
5 replies
blah blah blah NEO great for like 8 years, shox for like 6 NEO played 1.6 shox played source (0 competition, shit game) NEO won a true major in csgo shox won a major that belonged to fnatic
2019-10-10 20:26
4 replies
Tell me neo's 8 great years?? He didnt have that many. Also i already told u shox was 7-8. So basically u ignore what i just told you about the years and 2014 and 2015 being great for shox and then u come and make up 8 years for NEO
2019-10-10 21:13
3 replies
2002-2011 is 10 years then he was top 20 in 2015 which i guess is "great" by ur standards so actually 11 years, not 8
2019-10-10 21:29
2 replies
neo great since 2002?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 0/8 2015 neo nowhere close to 2014 shox which u didnt consider great
2019-10-10 21:44
1 reply
Was voted Player of the Year of 2002 by Counter-Strike.pl.[3] pretty sure thats more impressive than shox finishing 13th in 2015 also i made the note that only 2015 neo counts if shox's 2015 does aswell since they were close in the rankings and neo was way more successful
2019-10-10 21:54
1. dev1ce (anchivements) 2. coldzera (anchivements) 3. flusha (anchivements + legacy) honorable.. s1mple (skills) FalleN (legacy) f0rest (legacy)
2019-10-09 17:52
2 replies
#44
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
f0rest doesnt belong in the csgo goat convo he is the overall goat but in csgo there are many ahead of him
2019-10-09 17:52
1 reply
+1000
2019-10-10 20:44
Dosia
2019-10-09 17:54
rlly good list everyone that says dev1ce is not the CSGO GOAT is a hater
2019-10-09 17:54
2 replies
#59
device | 
Denmark 4vs0
ofc in csgo its not really close best overall top 20s (colds #1 #1 #10 <<< devices #20 #3 #3 #5 #2 #1-3 this year) most majors ties most major mvps most big event mvps best player in best era on top 5 team for liek 5 years +
2019-10-09 17:57
Sad to hear and see no s1mple but good dont bring s1mple in any case again thanks
2019-10-09 18:37
#55
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Brazil bernog
shox GOAT
2019-10-09 17:55
#69
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Qatar olaolakaka
Baitzera xaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-10-09 18:01
1 reply
I don't like him but 2 majors, 2 major MVP and 2 #1 player, he was the GOAT of CS:GO before Device winning another major MVP bro
2019-10-09 18:11
No olofmeister. Your list is useless without Olofmeister. I prefer a comment I saw earlier where we have GOATS of the game. Avoid all the arguing about who is goat or not when there's an argument for many of the legendary pro players.
2019-10-09 18:02
12 replies
olof isnt even close to the goat only 1x top 5 (2015) outside of 2015 he was never a great player, he was good in 2014 and 2016 but not great, his injury cost hiim his goat status
2019-10-09 18:46
10 replies
"Remember, GOAT isnt the best player of all time, but the greatest Greatness isnt just skill, but legacy, achievements, and length of dominance" That's literally quoted from you and yet you say that he's not considered a contender for the GOAT because he was only number 1 for one year.
2019-10-09 18:55
9 replies
no because he was only legendary for 1 year "and length of dominance" olof 1-2 years device 5+ years s1mple 3+years flusha 3 years F0rest overall like 12-15 years GTR like 10-12 cold 3 years and counting (i doubt more but whatever) kennys and guardian 4 years olof just aint it chief
2019-10-09 19:04
8 replies
S1mple wasn't at the level he was in 2018 during 2017, F0rest literaly has had similar stats to Olofmeister while Olofmeister moved to a supportive role while f0rest is still the star / secondary star of his team. Device 100% is consistent and worth being a contender for goat. olofmeister is still playing at the top of the scene and is still making insane plays, stop staring at stats and start watching the players only then can you decide who is a contender to goat status. 4 years in HLTV top 20 isn't good enough for you even though its exactly the same amount as f0rest yet f0rest hasn't been part of it since 2016.
2019-10-09 19:08
5 replies
last i checked i didnt have f0rest in the csgo goat convo hes in the overall goat convo not csgo tho
2019-10-09 19:09
4 replies
you mentioned him when I said olofmeister is a contender for goat.
2019-10-09 21:54
3 replies
i was giving examples of how even non goat convo people have been better than olof for longer than olof like guardian, f0rest etc
2019-10-10 01:26
2 replies
if you don't consider a player like guardian a contender to goat(s) you are an idiot.
2019-10-10 19:42
1 reply
how hard is it for people to understand u cant be the goat without a major the smithzz 1 major niko 0 major thing is retarded but the fact is u need a major to be the goat, its a huge part of legacy
2019-10-10 20:19
S1mple 2018 and 2019 is 3 years??? He didnt dominate before that, neither did device for 5. If device domimates for 5 then olofmeister dominated 3.
2019-10-09 20:58
1 reply
device will have 5 top 5s after this year, olof only has 1 s1mple 2016 2018 2019, or did u forget how fucking insane he was carrying liquid to a major final and a major semifinal in 2016 basically single handed while carrying navi to their first 250k event win in history aswell
2019-10-10 01:27
Olof the goatest
2019-10-10 00:38
1.6 F0rest Cs go Flusha
2019-10-09 18:02
#74
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Brazil neTinh1
8/8
2019-10-09 18:03
1.6 NEO CSGO dev1ce Overall f0rest
2019-10-09 18:05
7 replies
+1
2019-10-09 18:12
+1
2019-10-09 18:32
HeatoN and Potti were more successful in 1.5/1.6 than Neo.
2019-10-09 20:24
4 replies
are you fuck you? Just check the number of Majors Neo has won and how we was hard carry all the time for the rest of his average teammates.
2019-10-09 20:51
2 replies
neo has won 1 valve major, there were no valve sponsored majors before csgo but you wouldnt know that would you newfag? heaton and potti won more cpl's than anyone.
2019-10-09 20:57
1 reply
You can't even make one sensible argument. Anyway your dumb opinion doesn't matter, 99% of 1.6 pros/analysts always put NEO as #1 or #2 behind F0rest. Nobody has heaton or potti ahead of him LMAO
2019-10-09 21:37
Drunk man spotted
2019-10-11 17:40
#87
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Sweden Trkmag
f0rest GTR NEO shox In overall
2019-10-09 18:07
1 reply
XDDDD
2019-10-11 17:39
devk1ng best player EZ, so many says newfag just hold angle etc... oh nonono i watched csgo before they nerf awp down to snail speed while zooming, he didn't play like this before... he just like this style better after nerf. before he was flashy and fun as hell >)
2019-10-09 18:10
1. Device OMEGALUL 2. Flusha OMEGALUL 3. Coldzera OMEGALUL
2019-10-09 18:11
#100
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Russia baryga007
goat = most skilled throughout the big period of time (FIRST OF ALL) only then it comes down to achievements
2019-10-09 18:14
4 replies
#145
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Pakistan d1ckweed
you can say that lebron is better player than MJ, but you can never say that LeBron has had a greater career than MJ That's the basic reason why everyone calls MJ the GOAT. Hope you understand
2019-10-09 19:44
3 replies
#152
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Russia baryga007
When LeBron retires, he is going to be the GOAT.
2019-10-09 20:30
2 replies
#172
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Pakistan d1ckweed
Lol I'm a Lakers fan and I don't see them winning more than 1 championship with LeBron so no, he won't ever be the GOAT sometimes you just have to roll with it
2019-10-09 20:45
1 reply
#174
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Russia baryga007
we have different opinions, thats fine.
2019-10-09 20:47
where olof
2019-10-09 18:35
1 reply
where olof top 5s? why only 1
2019-10-09 18:44
NAME FLAG IS DEVICE NICE GOAT DICK
2019-10-09 18:36
1. dev1ce 2. kennys 3. cold / flusha / olof maybe
2019-10-09 18:43
3 replies
KennyS? never top 5 in a single year?
2019-10-09 19:05
2 replies
kennys belongs to that group of players who were and still are so good but just so loyal that they dont want to leave their country team for some superteam. Also cant help france got some real ego problems.
2019-10-09 19:25
1 reply
true on the 2nd half but it didnt stop shox from going top 3 in 2013, having no top 5s is just not good enough when device has 5 of them kennyS is 5th GOAT in csgo at best
2019-10-10 01:29
overall f0rest 1.6 neo csgo olofmeister/flusha
2019-10-09 19:04
Flusha OMEGALUL
2019-10-09 19:10
#138
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India best_lul
stew2k also goat
2019-10-09 19:10
olof mens ?
2019-10-09 19:27
1.6 1. NEO 2. FOrest 3. Potti CS GO 1. Olof 2. Device 3. Cold Overall 1. F0rest 2. NEO 3. GTR
2019-10-09 19:31
4 replies
#146
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United States kami917
+1 most accurate, really your CSGO list could be in any order
2019-10-09 19:48
1 reply
thx man
2019-10-09 21:29
there is no sensible argument to put olof over device i mean at this point ud be deluded if u actually believe that compare them im assuming device will finish #1-#3 this year which is most likely, and olof not top 20 Device 6x top 20, olof 4 Device 5x top 5, olof 1 Device 4x top 3, olof 1 Device 4 major, olof 2 device 2 major mvp, olof 1 device 20ish t1 event winner, olof like 20 aswell but device 15ish mvps, olof like 5 device best player on goat team, olof best player on 2nd goat team device still younger device career stats, impact, rating way better
2019-10-10 01:32
1 reply
good compare and +1
2019-10-13 02:24
#144
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Pakistan d1ckweed
CSGO: 1) dev1ce, 2) coldzera, 3) olofmeister Overall: 1) GeT_RiGhT (because him and f0rest have the same collective achievements in CSGO), 2) f0rest, 3) NEO
2019-10-09 19:43
22 replies
flusha > olof
2019-10-11 17:07
21 replies
#339
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Pakistan d1ckweed
olof has produced iconic moments that might never be recreated
2019-10-11 19:45
20 replies
and flusha has aswell lmao why do u think everyone thought flusha was cheating but not olof
2019-10-11 23:41
17 replies
#355
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Pakistan d1ckweed
who gives a fuck about flusha being accused of cheats and not olof? olof was more decisive in most of fnatic's tournament runs (victories, especially)
2019-10-12 01:20
16 replies
so why does olof only have 1 major mvp? and only 1 hltv top 5 compared to flushas 2
2019-10-12 03:00
15 replies
#370
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Pakistan d1ckweed
Flusha also has 1 Major MVP + flusha started on a top tier team earlier (even though fnatic weren’t that good, they were better than LGB)
2019-10-12 11:29
14 replies
exactly flusha was on a good team since 2013, olof joined an already good team in 2014
2019-10-12 22:08
13 replies
#380
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Pakistan d1ckweed
Part of the reason why floosha has appeared twice on the top 5 list bro
2019-10-12 22:56
12 replies
and why hasnt olof done it? maybe because outside of 2015 and the very beginning of 2016, he just wasnt that great
2019-10-12 22:57
11 replies
#382
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Pakistan d1ckweed
You gotta factor in his wrist injury. After that, fnatic as a unit wasn’t that great either. olof at the peak of his powers made fnatic the deadliest force back then.
2019-10-12 22:57
10 replies
ofc his injury was unfortunate but thats the way the cookie crumbles, maybe he would be the GOAT if he didnt have an injury but we will never know because he DID have it u watch basketball? maybe greg oden would be the GOAT if he was never injured, but he was, thats the way it is, thats the way it happened, nothing we can do about it, what ifs dont add to his legacy what if allu didnt get cucked by csgo at katowice and his shot at 14-14 landed, then maybe nip 2 majors in csgo and GTR goat
2019-10-12 22:59
9 replies
#390
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Pakistan d1ckweed
That doesn’t discard olof’s achievements and why he’s on my top 3 list
2019-10-12 23:56
8 replies
except for the fact that flusha has better achievements than olof?????
2019-10-12 23:57
7 replies
#392
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Pakistan d1ckweed
Why have achievements become the criteria all of a sudden? If they meant everything in CSGO, dev1ce would be #1 in 2018. Although I’m a believer in collective achievements, but CSGO metrics make me think differently.
2019-10-13 00:17
6 replies
kiddo u were the one who brought achievements up in this olof vs flusha debate at #390 my point is that flusha had the better prime (flusha 2014 > olof 2015) flusha also has better achievements and a longer period of time being a superstar
2019-10-13 00:59
5 replies
#428
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Pakistan d1ckweed
2014 prime doesn’t mean jackshit when the game was still in its infancy. But I guess you’re from the group who still consider NiP the best because of their 87-0 run. Look at how the game has changed and the circumstances in which both players performed.
2019-10-13 08:33
4 replies
87-0 was 2013 2014 the game was already big, 3 majors that year game created in 2012 (infancy) 2013 nip 87-0 weak scene 2014 strong scene tears go here \_/
2019-10-13 20:04
3 replies
#431
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Pakistan d1ckweed
2015 stronger scene so dunno what you're on about with each passing year, cs has improved to a higher level
2019-10-13 20:07
2 replies
yes i agree however that doesnt mean 2014 was a weak year, 2012-2013 were, but 2014 wasnt
2019-10-13 20:41
1 reply
#433
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Pakistan d1ckweed
well, i guess that settles the dust you keep flusha, i keep olof in the end, it doesn't matter
2019-10-13 22:37
That is not a reason to above a better player
2019-10-11 23:43
1 reply
#354
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Pakistan d1ckweed
yeah, you can keep flusha in your top 3, i'll keep olof in mine more decisive in most of fnatic's victories that was the point
2019-10-12 01:18
#151
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Germany loweM
first good ranking in years, thanks you men))
2019-10-09 20:25
1 reply
np mens
2019-10-10 01:33
CSGO: 1. Olofmeister 2. Flusha 3. Dev1ce Overall: 1. F0rest 2. NEO 3. Get_RiGhT
2019-10-09 20:31
1 reply
2019-10-10 01:33
#154
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Austria iVolcan
no doubt that f0rest is GOAT of CS but for CSGO it all comes down to personal preference but for me in early CSGO GTR #1 ('12). #1('13), #1('14), #11('15), #18('16) Mid CSGO Cold #1('16), #1('17), #10('18) Now S1mple #4('16), #8('17), #1('18) and probably also #1 ('19) depending on Zywoo's performance for the last few months Now people saying Device, he never was #1 and despite Astralis dominating because other players are just a level above him individually.
2019-10-09 20:37
14 replies
s1mple #1 2019, err ok. Not even close lol
2019-10-09 20:37
13 replies
12 replies
delusional. He wont even be top5. 71 maps and T3 events vs Elige 115 maps all T1 events. Nice comparison bro
2019-10-09 20:39
11 replies
#165
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Austria iVolcan
those stats are for big events only in 2019
2019-10-09 20:41
10 replies
71 maps, NaVi barely attended events this year. The ones they did attend did not impress so far. Meanwhile Liquid dominated first half, Astralis won both majors, Those two teams are going to dominate top20.
2019-10-09 20:43
9 replies
#176
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Austria iVolcan
seems like you didnt watch first few months this year
2019-10-09 20:48
8 replies
I did, but top1 2019 is the whole year and hes been silent for a long time now
2019-10-09 20:49
7 replies
#178
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Austria iVolcan
because we are just used to him being inhuman, now it is inbetween him and zywoo this year
2019-10-09 20:50
6 replies
His level hasn't been that good this year. Last year he claimed 7 MVP and his overall rating and impact pushed him past dev1ce. This year, hes very far behind in MVPs and achievements. Noway for him to get #1
2019-10-09 20:51
5 replies
#182
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Austria iVolcan
facts dont lie
2019-10-09 20:53
4 replies
Zywoo is most certainly number 1 currently
2019-10-11 23:44
3 replies
s1mple isnt even top 3 1 mvp?? lmao only reason he got #1 last year was because along with his insane rating, his team also won some big events and he got like 7 mvps and 4 evps zywoo > device = elige > s1mple
2019-10-11 23:45
2 replies
Wrong person?
2019-10-11 23:50
1 reply
yeah sorry meant to reply to the idiot saying s1mple #1 2019 when he isnt even top 3
2019-10-12 22:39
neo 3. :DDDDDDDDD
2019-10-09 20:38
4 replies
#161
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Austria iVolcan
neo was nowhere near F0rest and GTR in CSGO, only made it into top 20 in 2015 and not even close to top 10
2019-10-09 20:39
3 replies
Newfag spotted lul
2019-10-11 17:39
2 replies
Nope truth is f0rest >>>>>>> NEO in csgo not even close f0rest like 4x top 20, NEO 1 and it was 17th
2019-10-11 18:03
#338
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Austria iVolcan
stats dont lie, VP played good but he wasn't a big factor on why they played so good
2019-10-11 19:36
Cold xdddddddddd
2019-10-09 20:39
4 replies
#162
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Austria iVolcan
Top 20 #1('16), #1('17), #10('18)
2019-10-09 20:39
3 replies
nowhere to be seen 2015 or before. Not even good anymore
2019-10-09 20:45
2 replies
#175
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Austria iVolcan
that is why i said MID CSGO
2019-10-09 20:47
1 reply
u didnt say that in this arguement
2019-10-11 17:06
#160
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Austria sometime2
Overall: F0rest NEO Cold/GTR Most dominant during their peak: S1mple Markeloff F0rest
2019-10-09 20:39
4 replies
#163
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Austria iVolcan
lmfao putting cold and GTR same level overall
2019-10-09 20:40
2 replies
#167
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Austria sometime2
GTR was b2b #1 cold also, cold played in more competitive time but was less impactful and had worse stats and rating
2019-10-09 20:42
1 reply
GTR was a top player for 10 years cold for 3
2019-10-10 01:34
NEO in prime (2006-2009) >>> s1mple no doubt
2019-10-11 17:38
LMAO
2019-10-09 20:41
HLTV fanboys ranking s1mple ScreaM NiKo Definitely the GOATs OF CSGO coldzera close
2019-10-09 20:42
Rychu Peja Książe Jeżyc
2019-10-09 20:44
DEVICE_0_FLICKS_JW_SAID_it
2019-10-09 20:50
Do something better and easier and vote up for me xD inmotion.dhl/en/bryan-adams/win-guitar/e..
2019-10-09 20:53
Greatness isnt just skill, but legacy, achievements, and length of dominance coldzera? wut?
2019-10-09 20:55
#186
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Ukraine cheer1o
AleksiB GOAT
2019-10-09 20:58
Cold Device GTR
2019-10-09 21:42
#199
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Finland Dimigue
if you are talking about archivements only then the csgo goat would be all of the astralis roster maybe except magisk
2019-10-09 21:45
1 reply
achievements + skill + rating/top 20s + mvps + legacy device > all
2019-10-11 17:06
#200
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Brazil ferNaN1
cold dev1ce gtr
2019-10-09 21:46
1 reply
not even close cold < device
2019-10-11 17:05
overall: 1. f0rrest (1.6, go) 2. friberg (source, go) 3. fallen (1.6, go) go only: 1. coldzera 2. JW 3. Tarik
2019-10-09 21:48
1 reply
>low_quality_bait >3. Tarik Name checks out.
2019-10-09 22:04
1.6 1. NEO 2. FOrest 3. Potti CS GO 1. Olof 2. Device 3. Cold Overall 1. F0rest 2. NEO 3. GTR more opinions please
2019-10-09 22:08
1 reply
2019-10-10 01:34
#206
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Switzerland RU!N
+1 for device
2019-10-09 22:21
agreed on both lists, gj
2019-10-09 22:22
1 reply
ty, too many idiots saying olof and kennyS
2019-10-10 01:36
Zywoo, simple and device top 3 in cs go. Forest GOAT
2019-10-09 23:26
Coldzero ROFL 0/8 Otherwise it's pretty accurate. Maybe JW or Olof instead of baitzero.
2019-10-10 00:36
2 replies
omegalul JW not even close
2019-10-11 17:05
1 reply
JW > Dev0ce
2019-10-11 17:11
#232
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Italy bennyhana
s2mple
2019-10-10 01:36
I dont agree with Flusha being there for CSGO. I would rather place Olof in that spot or someone like Shox or S1mple. But finally a decent list. Not this bullshit like F0rest goat. Dev1ce has been the best player of this decade, he deserves to be the CSGO goat.
2019-10-10 02:25
1 reply
we all know flusha was top 1 for 2014, given that olof doesnt really have anything over him shox was only great in csgo for 2 years, he was good in 2014 and 2015 but not great s1mple 0 majors cant be goat, like i said, goat is greatness not just skill
2019-10-10 02:25
#250
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Brazil Nickzim
cold and get_right are the only players to ever achieve top 2 for two times in a row, but get_right achieved that when the scene was not that competitive. dev1ce and guardian are the most consistant players of the world, being on every top 20 since 2014 and 2013. s1mple was the best player of the world in 2018 with the best stats between the #1s from top 20 HLTV. cold and dev1ce are the only ones to have two major MVPs, but dev1ce never were the best player of the world, so we have 1. coldzera 2. device 3. GeT_RiGhT 4. s1mple 5. GuardiaN
2019-10-10 02:42
4 replies
device in 2018 > cold in 2016/2017 so ur arguement is instantly debunked
2019-10-10 02:48
3 replies
#255
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Brazil Nickzim
cold's rating in 2017 was the same from device in 2018 e.e
2019-10-10 02:51
2 replies
rating the same achievements not even close 1x major, 10x big event, 8x big event mvp/1x major mvp vs. 0x major, 5x big event, 3x big event mvp
2019-10-10 20:22
Except device played more maps so his rating is more meaningful
2019-10-11 23:47
forest nobody playing on such a high level for this long
2019-10-10 03:09
3 replies
playing a game =/= being good
2019-10-10 08:58
2 replies
f0rest was a top tier player for over a decade
2019-10-10 20:24
1 reply
he still is
2019-11-19 03:33
CSGO: GTR Cold Device s1mple Olof Kenny (contender for no.1 since valve legit had to nerf the guy) Shox Zywoo (if he continues on this trajectory fo sho no 1 in a few years) NiKo All time Neo Forest GTR
2019-10-10 03:11
3 replies
joke to have neo above f0rest top 1 1.6, top 200 csgo vs. top 3 1.6 top 10 csgo
2019-10-11 17:05
2 replies
newfag
2019-10-11 17:37
1 reply
Gtr and forest are undoubtedly the top 2 players between source 1.6 and go that is not up for debate
2019-10-11 23:48
cs:go 1.device 2.s1mple 3. jw
2019-10-10 08:58
1 reply
JW LOL
2019-10-11 17:04
#265
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United States Phenoom
who is BOAT then?
2019-10-10 17:33
1 reply
s1mple zywoo kennyS gtr
2019-10-10 20:19
1. Ronaldo 2. Messi 3. No one
2019-10-10 20:21
#272
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United States D0xx
All time 1. f0rest 2. GTR 3. SpawN CS:GO dev1ce Flusha FalleN
2019-10-10 20:23
5 replies
SpawN not even close he was only good in 1.6
2019-10-10 20:24
4 replies
#280
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United States D0xx
ok then -Spawn +zeus
2019-10-10 20:31
3 replies
deep breath AXAXAXAXAXAXA OH MY GOD ADAWDGA F AG AF AG SF A BD S G S S B SF SD SF F A D A A S G F AD AD AD
2019-10-10 20:33
2 replies
#289
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United States D0xx
ok go off dont be a dick for having an opinion thats different
2019-10-10 20:46
1 reply
o yea dude i think styko is the goat also smithzz has a good goat case damn tho sixer is sorta a goat, same with devil the 2 goat french players u know what tho goat cis players? hooch and ange1 those goats > s0mple goat danish player? cajunb goat swedish player? disco doplan goat NA player? koosta for sure, maybe just maybe rush but i think koosta is better yo dont hate me just cuz i have an opinion thats "different" (braindead)
2019-10-10 20:48
BRO WHY WOULD U PUT TWO BIGGEST BOTS IN CSGO HISTORY TO TOP 2 ? XDDDDDD
2019-10-10 20:30
3 replies
#281
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United States D0xx
Name checks out
2019-10-10 20:31
1 reply
what u on folk
2019-10-10 20:42
+1
2019-10-11 17:36
picking greatest of all time before time even ended LUL
2019-10-10 21:54
tbh I think that Device is underrated for the title of GOAT on cso Only danish biaised fans think of him as a serious candidate, but he really could be, he'z obviously the most consistent player in the rankings since 2012... He's not shiny like #1 players are, but he should be considered at least
2019-10-11 16:58
5 replies
hes the csgo goat and if u looked past his haters claiming he is useless cuz of his playstyle, its not even close no other player has as good top 20s as him after this year 6x top 20 5x top 5 (most in csgo by far) 4x top 3 (most in csgo by far) most majors won most major mvps won most big events won most big events won in a year (aka best era) most big event mvps won most big event mvps won in a year most consecutive years on a title contender team (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019) best overall results at a major (4x win, 9x semi or better, 14x legends) he isnt even old yet in cs terms still have years of his prime left still on a top 1 team longest time on a top 1 team by far best player on by far best team i mean he is so far ahead of anyone else in csgo its not even close
2019-10-11 17:03
4 replies
#319
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
He didn't won most big events. Hltv's big event list before sept 2015 is not complete. It only takes majors as big events before that. Its retarded because hltv considers blast events as big events while way competitive events begore Sept 2015 is not included in the list.
2019-10-11 17:14
3 replies
ok, lets just say device didnt win the most, he is still close to the top and he still have hte most big event mvps, that doesnt change so there is still evidence beyond doubt that he is the goat
2019-10-11 17:15
2 replies
He's definitely the most successful player in CSGO But he's not someone we think about when thinking about CSGO goat cause he was never dominant even in disadvantaged duels, and he's never been part of the best clutchers, he's not doing that many insane kills worth a video etc So it's kinda hard to judge. But he's definitely the most successful and consistent player in CSGO, and he's underrated for that
2019-10-11 23:10
1 reply
"insane kills worth a video" first of all that isnt a determination of GOAT second of all besides s1mple not many players have a big amount of insane kills, devices 3 1 taps on train vs nrg at the major is a better highlight that any of olof/flusha/f0rest/gtr
2019-10-11 23:40
everythink checks out tard
2019-10-11 17:08
#311
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Germany BIG2020
Lucifer is the GOAT
2019-10-11 17:09
1 reply
Lucifer > The Arrow > The Flash > GoT > Stranger Things
2019-10-11 17:11
1- SmithZz 2- SmithZz 3- Scream
2019-10-11 17:09
4 replies
Device_4_major_smithzz_1_major sorry
2019-10-11 17:10
3 replies
No
2019-10-11 17:11
2 replies
yes
2019-10-11 17:11
1 reply
No
2019-10-11 17:11
I agree but It all depends on team and their teamwork example dev1ce without gla1ve flusha without fnatic coldzera without brazilian team
2019-10-11 17:21
1 reply
dev1ce without gla1ve, 3x top 20, 2x top 3 cold with br team, 0x top 20, 0x big event wins, 0x mvps flusha without fnatic, 0x top 20, 0x big event wins, 0x mvps
2019-10-11 17:31
krimz too remember
2019-10-11 17:33
2 replies
not even close 3x top 20 0x top 5 0x top 3 0x major mvp 3rd best player on prime fnatic
2019-10-11 18:05
1 reply
tru
2019-10-11 22:25
Stopped reading at 1.f0 Dumbass thread
2019-10-11 17:35
for me device CSGO and f0rest overall pretty easy if use bains
2019-10-11 18:32
1 reply
+100
2019-10-11 23:54
Overall 1. Forest 2. Gtr 3. Shox Csgo 1. Device 2. Cold 3. Flusha
2019-10-11 23:55
5 replies
ours is almost the same but sorry chief neo > shox source has 1% of the competition that 1.6 and GO did
2019-10-12 03:01
4 replies
Doesnt matter if i am understanding correctly shox was the best source player(?) If so i would consider this Best in source plus a top player in go > top 2 in 1.6 and almost always mediocre to garbage in go This is coming from a person that hates shox and blames him for half the downfall of the french scene next to happy
2019-10-12 05:22
3 replies
dude Top 1 (some say 2 but most say 1) in 1.6 is 12309184983109810381840257128310381x more impressive than top 2 (rpk top 1) in source then in GO, yeah neo wasnt anything special, he was still alright, shox was alright too, shox not top 10 tho in csgo Device Flusha cold GTR s1mple f0rest kennyS guardian falleN Olof order those 10 however u want, all 10 are greater than shox
2019-10-12 05:39
2 replies
Shox is 100 percent > fallen If fallen was good last year i would argue otherwise but ehh
2019-10-12 05:49
1 reply
FalleN may not be as skilled as shox but his value and legacy to the game is far superior to shox's also if we were talking about skill only, then zywoo > shox
2019-10-12 22:06
Why isn't olof even being mentioned?
2019-10-11 23:55
imagine overrated f0rest this hard lul
2019-10-12 03:01
3 replies
imagine denying goat status to a player who was top 3 all time in 1.6 and top 10 all time in csgo, with over a decade of years being a top 5 player and about 15 years playing at a t1 level, with his prime ending in 2019 compared to GTR in 2015 and NEO is 2011
2019-10-12 03:02
2 replies
He wasnt very good in 2018 either
2019-10-12 05:22
+1
2019-10-12 05:42
Device ? Men, stfu ok ? we already saw what is astralis, let me try explain, the goat is s1mple will be s1mple
2019-10-12 05:42
csgo niko cold s1mple
2019-10-12 05:51
1 reply
is that ur list of the 3 most toxic players in csgo history? cuz i have a few suggestions to add shox nbk steel ryx kio
2019-10-12 22:37
Yes, I like GOAT simulator.
2019-10-12 05:52
#373
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Sri Lanka VuXn
+1
2019-10-12 22:07
flair checks out.. you cant be goat if your level isnt close to some others even if you have more achievements.
2019-10-12 23:00
6 replies
his 2018 performence was the 2nd greatest year performence in csgo history behind s1mple the same year 2018 device > 2013 GTR > 2017 cold > 2016 cold > 2015 olof > 2014 GTR even hltv admins made that clear
2019-10-12 23:03
5 replies
yeah but its because they had most dominant era. he didnt carry his team like s1mple
2019-10-12 23:11
2 replies
yeah s1mple is the most skilled player of all time but his legacy isnt even half of device's s1mple 3x top 5 hltv (after this year) device 5x top 5 hltv (after this year) s1mple only 2x top 3 hltv device 4x top 3 hltv s1mple 0 major device 4 major 2 mvp s1mple like 6 big event wins, 8 mvps device like 20, and 14 mvps and ofc "However, his amazing year, which would be worthy of the No.1 spot in any of the 2014-2017 rankings, simply wasn't enough in 2018." direct quote from hltv admins, meaning device's peak is higher then everyone else's than s1mple, his achievements are better than everyone elses too, and way better than s1mples, so overall no one is close
2019-10-12 23:13
1 reply
dani alves goat footballer
2019-10-13 00:28
well the quote was from 2014-2017, so device 2018 is only third as 2013 was not included for a reason. HLTV considers GTR 2013 to still be better
2019-10-13 01:33
1 reply
yea my b thats right so heres what we know device 3rd*** highest peak in csgo history + best achievements/overall top 20s/mvps/majors/mvps means that anyone with a lower peak than device, has literally NOTHING over him so the only 2 candidates for GOAT in csgo over device are the 2 with higher peaks, GTR and s1mple GTR 1 major, s1mple 0 dev 4 major GTR 0 mvp, s1mple 0 major dev 2 GTR 20ish trophies, s1mple not even 10, dev 20ish aswell GTR 10 mvp, s1mple 9, dev 14 mvp GTR 3rd best era, s1mple no era, dev best era GTR 1.1 career rating, s1mple 1.23, dev 1.17 GTR career impact 1.03, s1mple 1.35, dev 1.29 GTR csgo 3x top 20, s1mple 4x, dev 6x GTR 2x top 5, s1mple 3x dev 3x GTR 2x top 3, s1mple 2x, dev 4x dev finishes top in basically every metric except the rating vs s1mple
2019-10-13 07:35
You clearly fail to understand the definition of GOAT.
2019-10-13 01:08
Anyone mentioning any player with less than 4 major title is just retarded.
2019-10-13 01:19
1 reply
so CSGO 1. Dev1ce 2. Dupreeh 3. Xyp9x 4. Gla1ve 5. Flusha 6. Magisk 7. JW 8. Pronax
2019-10-13 01:20
f0rest GOAT
2019-10-13 01:23
Seems good
2019-10-13 02:27
1 reply
thanks lxxl
2019-10-13 07:35
Can agree with that :D
2019-10-13 07:42
device top 1? Definitely not! Yes, he is the most consistent player in CSGO history. But don't forget, that a lot of his success is due to the fact, that he has teammates around him allowing him to always play the position which gets him his numbers and who are so good that they win tourneys. If he didn't have this guys around him and they wouldn't win the tournament, he wouldn't het a lot of his MVPs/EVPs. Imo in CSGO: 1.)coldzera/flusha 2.)flusha/coldzera 3.)device
2019-10-14 12:30
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ur saying cold and flusha didnt have extreme help? cold had prime fer, prime flusha, taco, fnx, prime boltz, and felps flusha had prime olof, prime krimz, prime jw, and pronax device is just better no excuses
2019-10-14 16:53
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1.05
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