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Valve being obsessed over vertigo
India meliodas_samaa 
When will valve realise Vertigo is not liked by the community ? No matter what changes they bring this was just a temporary map till cache remake was complete but now I feel like they really don't want any of community made maps in game so maybe cache may never come back as Active duty map What's your opinion about this ?
2019-10-10 08:05
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Same shit that overpass vent through, I think vertigo is already in a way better place than what overpass was at it's original state and I'm looking forward to it being OP v2 in terms of popularity.
2019-10-10 08:21
Dosia | 
Europe Lounatus 
2019-10-10 08:46
Mirage is out next, hopefully they don't bring back cache cus it's just the same shit with green stuff. Give us something new
2019-10-10 09:29
cache is nice, but the colour scheme is fucking ridiculous. too busy!
2019-10-10 21:11
they said they were toning it down thanks to community feedback
2019-10-10 21:18
2019-10-10 21:30
"same shit with green stuff" are you sure about that
2019-10-10 21:19
Netherlands jonsve 
I mean there were small changes, but nothing metabreaking
2019-10-11 09:10
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
They changed quite a lot actually
2019-10-11 10:12
Not really though. Nuke, inferno and d2 changed a lot more compared to cache
2019-10-11 17:24
D2 didnt change at all?
2019-10-11 22:25
I guess you’re right in the case of d2, though the others changed massively
2019-10-12 00:59
Denmark Xipingu 
Ehh you can do more wallbangs, CT can peek mid from no less than 3-4 angles now that there is the hole in CT connector, there is the self-jumpboost on B site that can cause havoc, CT can now peek into A from car, new nade throws etc... Yeah, clearly the same.
2019-10-11 08:11
India spiderCAKE 
I don't think he bothered to hop into server to check it himself.
2019-10-11 09:43
Denmark Xipingu 
Me neither. Then again it’s always easier to bitch and complain on forums rather than actually test what’s new.
2019-10-11 18:49
+1 This update didn't help tho
2019-10-11 09:43
fox | 
Portugal dave1906 
Overpass and vertigo... the 2 shitiest maps in the pool.
2019-10-11 13:48
Overpass is a great map now...
2019-10-14 00:11
India volt_vipin 
Overpass is actually a great map and suited for every kind of guns like shotguns, awps, rifles you just need to know where to play with the right gun.
2019-10-14 08:01
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
Overpass and Cobble both as well as Nuke.
2019-10-11 14:04
masq | 
Czech Republic Puget1 
I like the map, way better than a boring mirage
2019-10-10 08:23
2019-10-10 08:24
Brazil NahT_ 
+1 better than nuke
2019-10-10 08:31
2019-10-10 08:35
Slovakia FlyingButter 
2019-10-10 08:34
+1 but -1
2019-10-10 08:45
Everything better than mirage
2019-10-10 09:01
NiKo | 
Israel soez4niko 
Mirage literally always plays out the same way Same with dust2 That's why I like maps like inferno and overpass because there is a variety of things that can happen
2019-10-10 09:13
Mirage and dust 2 is most overplayed map
2019-10-11 08:26
I don't like mirage myself but vertigo is a very fast paced map I don't like the feel of it
2019-10-11 07:54
Poland Macco 
To be honest I don't understand that hate on vertigo. It's way better now and it's also different than other maps. Dust2 is garbage, valve didn't improve shit, same annoying issues as before.
2019-10-10 08:27
Sico | 
New Zealand NewZealand 
what issues does dust2 have
2019-10-10 08:34
being 50 hp before you reach b bombsite? that's really the only one, but it's still an issue
2019-10-10 21:11
Use an he grenade or come up with another way to cross
2019-10-11 07:32
??? Use HE nade ???
2019-10-11 07:51
If you time it right, the dust that kicks up after the HE explodes will block the vision of double doors while you cross.
2019-10-11 08:11
Why not just throw smoke?
2019-10-11 08:33
Lithuania ateivis 
smoke has more value than to only cross mid
2019-10-11 09:17
2019-10-11 09:28
You dumb?
2019-10-11 13:22
You can still get tagged if you use a smoke or HE.
2019-10-11 09:44
He's spamming it? Peak him or wallbang him, or you can cros without geting hit and using smoke/nade with a boost
2019-10-11 13:35
Oh yes, totally normal map, where cts have to boost in spawn to get to b safely, allowing the Ts to get a superior angle in tunnels.
2019-10-11 14:00
Use a molly/smoke That's just one option sorry you suck at playing dust2
2019-10-11 16:40
But that doesn't guarantee that I can cross safely. Sorry that you don't understand English.
2019-10-11 17:10
It does
2019-10-12 05:14
Did you know that a smoke and a wooden door doesn't stop bullets?
2019-10-12 08:06
Who said using a smoke to smoke the door
2019-10-12 08:21
It won't stop the bullets either way
2019-10-12 10:24
No but im pretty sure you cant wallbang the concrete pillars
2019-10-13 07:19
spending 300$ in the first 3 seconds of the round just to get to a bombsite as a ct.... sure thing... not talking about that a he doesn't remove the possibility of getting shot....
2019-10-11 18:47
You can avoid getting shot for $0
2019-10-12 05:15
spending time having to jump on your friend to then jump to the other side, good map design i have to say...
2019-10-12 17:16
I'm sorry you're too shit to think of a creative way to win
2019-10-13 07:19
He Molotov Smoke Flash Jumpiing with your teamate What else can you do? Throw a weapon to fake someone passing?
2019-10-13 23:49
That's a decent idea, could jump then stop mid air to bait the shot
2019-10-14 07:56
well if they try to shot in the middle of the door they will kill you, the problem is not having a perfect solution, you can always get shoted... and that is bad when you think about it
2019-10-14 16:06
smoke the door and wait one second? even pros cant hit the middle most of the time
2019-10-16 06:52
Yeah I agree they should have at least removed one door in B site it's literally impossible to retake even 4v2 is hard
2019-10-11 07:55
They should make the doorway larger (kinda like in 1.6) so that you have more space. Removing a door would probably make the site too open and way too easy to retake imo
2019-10-11 08:15
s1mple | 
Australia lo0u_ 
Like what? Dust II is the greatest CS map in history and has a near perfect design. There was nothing they could've changed without ruining the map. You would be one of the idiots that would complain about it too.
2019-10-10 08:43
Yes when jumping and shooting is so easy in csgo, A site sure is PERFECT DESIGN in GO rofl.
2019-10-10 08:51
D2 design is shit lmao, it’s just so iconic and old.
2019-10-10 08:53
cyx | 
Switzerland HUFTGOLD 
Dust II is way better to watch and play on than most of the maps . /closed
2019-10-10 09:09
Still doesn't mean it's designed well :DD nt medkit
2019-10-10 09:19
fer | 
World loopoos 
d2 design is shit? silver confirmed
2019-10-10 21:14
are you really saying that somehow Dust II is better to watch than inferno and overpass? Are you a gold that only play d2 and mirage?
2019-10-10 21:17
cyx | 
Switzerland HUFTGOLD 
Definitely much better than inferno, at least. Don't worry about my rank, soyboy, by the time I was getting global, you were still playing zombie escape on 1.6
2019-10-11 00:17
how can it be?? it's way more tactital, a way better map design, more balanced aswell... And you made a bold prediction, i never played 1.6 zombie escape
2019-10-11 00:35
Germany smh_my_head 
any retard can get global
2019-10-12 17:19
cyx | 
Switzerland HUFTGOLD 
oh wow, thanks for the info, captain obvious
2019-10-12 18:30
Germany smh_my_head 
well you were obviously bragging about it
2019-10-12 19:19
cyx | 
Switzerland HUFTGOLD 
I always do
2019-10-12 21:42
" Dust II is the greatest CS map in history and has a near perfect design" Maybe for casuals and for teams that rely on firepower without good tactics/structure
2019-10-10 09:41
s1mple | 
Australia lo0u_ 
You can't argue against facts, mate. There's a reason this map is still played till this day, from casual to pro level. Get over it.
2019-10-10 21:07
Germany smh_my_head 
ye because everybody can play this map because it doesnt rely on tactics: a split, going long, short, b, b split are the only tactics on this map, besides fakes.
2019-10-12 17:21
2019-10-10 08:45
I suppose part of it have to be because the angles to be ready for while moving upstairs are ass. Neither it's particularly satisfying to whack the moles from ct side. Maybe it'd be fitting for games like quake, but in cs where crosshair placement and accurate recoil control are cornerstones, it just doesn't fit the game. Core of Cs gameplay is about peeking and holding specific and deliberate angles, not about having to turn 180 degrees or shooting vulnerable enemies from behind.
2019-10-10 08:51
>accuate recoil control >cornerstone >whack the moles stop trying so hard to sound like u know shit brah fucking silvers i swear
2019-10-10 09:41
What do you mean? I haven't played vertigo since 1.6 times, so i just quickly visited map to ascertain if the elements are still present. How am i wrong?
2019-10-10 09:47
"let me throw some fancy words so people will think im such a veteran XDDD" also, dust2 doesnt have that many angles to check when you're taking objectives(e.g. retakes on A or B) vs compared to maps like overpass and vertigo idk what the fuck you are talking about obviously youre just trying to sound "complicated", you dont know shit about how dust2 works
2019-10-10 09:52
I was commenting on vertigo, no mind paid to dd2 part.
2019-10-10 09:53
Doesn't fit in cs yet it's been in cs since 1.1??????
2019-10-11 07:48
Tbf vertigo was pretty extensively redesigned, to the point that valve could've call it something else and no one would argue against it.
2019-10-11 08:17
Dust 2 is best pug map. stfu. If you don't like it go play other maps.
2019-10-10 09:04
The first couple iterations of Vertigo were boring, after all the work that's been put into it it's much more entertaining and getting closer to being fairly balanced.
2019-10-10 08:38
says botmeister lover
2019-10-10 08:46
Olofmeister > whole NA scene tho
2019-10-10 08:47
imagine 1.09 impact in tier 3
2019-10-10 08:48
1st game: grayhound is a tier 1.75 team, what did you expect? also jetlag nerf 2nd game: sharks underrated also the games were super close. 3rd game: finally msl's first game over 1.00 rating LULW
2019-10-10 08:54
This comment is just plain stupid
2019-10-10 09:15
Tbf so was #19
2019-10-11 08:19
jetlag is bs excuse, Astralis won envy and g2 first day they arrived and they played a BO5 before inn ny finals while Liquid was out in semis, TL only became no.1 because astralis took a break
2019-10-11 09:59
its cuz astralis knows how to deal with jetlag they literally said it
2019-10-11 10:57
Poland Lukovsky 
yes, they discovered a secret formula to deal with jet lag no other team can even dream about it fucking delusional moron
2019-10-11 17:17
im not delusional if i just mentioned it
2019-10-11 19:53
I wanted to know your Opinion And Olofmeister >Whole NA scene
2019-10-11 07:57
Idc. I’ll never play that shit map
2019-10-10 08:52
Dude, stupid casual players is what Valve cares about, all those skins, operations are for them. Casuals don't understand that you do not change the playing field in any sports, you may change A BIT the measures of let's say a soccer field or you play tennis on 3 different surfaces, but you do not need to change it fucking periodically because some morons are tired of how it is now. Imagine that bullshit in 1.6 - "omg we are tired of dust2, let's add some new crappy map and make fucking pros play it!". Yes, vertigo is dogshit, and cbble was too, while de_season was really fun to play COMPETITIVELY, but guess what - they first made the author completely rework season to make it casual-friendly, then they trashed it anyway. There was de_cpl_mill, which is basically tuscan, it was a good COMPETITIVE map, they could easily change only textures but keep its structure and make it competitive, guess what? They made a shitty shit out of it, played it at some early events and removed it. And they removed cache just because it's not their map, while vertigo is, so suck it and watch those boring matches, or don't watch. Casual fuckers love vertigo just because it's something new for competitive, as if it should be new for fucks sake. Go add 2 more goals to fucking soccer you idiots.
2019-10-10 08:57
Relax they will improve it just like they did with overpass and nuke lmao cs is all about strategy and tactics u just gotta get more teams to learn the map and instantly everyone will like it more but if bait 7/8 u did ur job well
2019-10-10 09:14
You can prepare "tactics" for any map, it does not make it spectacular to watch in itself. I may agree that cache was not among the best, but I'm damn sure vertigo is worse than cache. You may play it casually, and if you like something new you may even play it competitively, you may prepare whatever strats, and it still does not change if it's interesting to watch or it is not. Fuck, de_contra would be more interesting than fucking vertigo.
2019-10-10 09:22
i mean is overpass boring for you and nuke aswell?
2019-10-10 10:52
overpass is ok, nuke is somewhere in-between decent and mediocre, personally i'd remove it for mill or season's sake i guess it's useless to talk about it anyway, after i saw a guy telling that mirage has got no updates for too long and that's why it should be removed I decided to not bother anymore, i mean casual fuckers want any updates for the sake of updating anything in any way, how to convince them of competitive stuff not needing just updates? again, go fucking change how tennis is played, change the court measures, make them play it on sand or graveled, i mean how people can still play it without updates, right?
2019-10-11 09:08
2 more goals in soccer would be cool, I'd watch soccer then
2019-10-10 09:31
India spiderCAKE 
TTours for 90 minutes men xD
2019-10-11 10:11
Denmark Xipingu 
Idk if this is serious or a bait, but I agree on a personal level lol
2019-10-11 08:17
India spiderCAKE 
Would love to see Tuscan back!
2019-10-11 10:24
Brute doesn't give a crap about it, I suppose he got some real jobs and family and he has no time nor desire to update it by fixing bugs, and Valve can't do anything to the map because Brute owns it. That's why I'm saying: Valve used de_mill at some events or an event, de_cpl_mill was pretty much de_tuscan with different graphics, since Valve I guess can do whatever they want to de_mill - they can easily rework it and use it. Instead de_mill isn't played for I suppose 6 years already or even 7, instead they try to make pros play on obviously not competitive maps like vertigo. And I understand that every man to his taste, but I really liked old de_season, it's much more fitting for competitive than fucking vertigo.
2019-10-11 10:52
India spiderCAKE 
I wasn't active during early years of CSGO but Valve can easily buyout the Tuscan from the creator the same way they did with Mirage, right?
2019-10-11 11:03
i dont know...
2019-10-11 22:23
There was very good reason to hate vertigo back when it was rush A simulator, now I find it's a good map that fits in the pro scene.
2019-10-10 09:05
I haven't played vertigo after this update. But I think this update happened when Lord Gaben got backstabbed 4-5 times on this map. I would love better maps than this. The guy above me says casual fuckers love vertigo but seriously, I've never got a single match on vertigo in MM since the day it was released. I queue for D2,mirage,nuke,train,cache,vertigo,ovp and mostly I get cache,mirage and ovp while sometimes D2 and a couple of times nuke(200+ games in last 6-7 months)
2019-10-10 09:10
India spiderCAKE 
It's as if the world has more than just players from India, Everyone's experience is different. Every time you queue for other maps, you'll always find a SEA or Chinese players playing it. That said, Indian players don't know anything beyond d2, mirage and inferno. You'll be lucky to find a guy who can line-up all mirage A smokes. Even in casual, players start leaving in droves if it's not one of the above maps being played. You can't play nuke, train, overpass in casual servers without some fuckers voting to change the map every other round. P.S. Vertigo is still shit.
2019-10-11 10:08
The new vertigo update doesnt look too bad tbh
2019-10-10 09:10
Finland Autisthicc 
dust 2 bet map
2019-10-10 09:11
Xyp9x | 
Indonesia Wawzloll 
Vertigo is fun now wdym
2019-10-10 09:11
Europe Instabait 
They could buy out de_cpl_mill rights ... but never did ... that is really strange
2019-10-10 09:12
Denmark Xipingu 
Probably because GabeN refuses to buy rights for any map, I could imagine he takes the stance of “Well we made the game, so either you give us the map for free or we simply will not ever include it for official play, your choice.” Money talks :(
2019-10-11 08:23
Europe Instabait 
Money destroys :( but cpl_mill in csgo ... that dream is ...
2019-10-14 08:41
Denmark Xipingu 
Indeed :( it sucks. Really want cpl_mill back too
2019-10-14 12:56
Maybe valve want make a dynamic map pool so people not gonna get bored and i hope they replace dust 2 with new cache
2019-10-10 09:14
Cache is literally exactly the same with one boost and some green shit. They're gonna remove mirage and hopefully add something new because cache is already boring again after one show match
2019-10-10 09:32
Greece Petsos 
Vertigo was shit at the start ,now its becoming better and better because its something fresh and not mirage all day every day
2019-10-10 09:15
Europe braxtey 
Vertigo is borring to watch and play
2019-10-10 09:29
2019-10-10 09:32
broky | 
Poland Muffled 
vertigo is pritti good
2019-10-10 09:32
They wont take out Vertigo on the next map rotation,new maps are made to stay,not to get removed 6 months later so their work is dumped in the garbage.So obviously they will try to improve it,if they wouldnt then people would cry they dont do anything. Nuke was disliked by most people/pros when it was new,it was played rarely but nowadays you see it played much more often.Overpass was garbage at the start too but now its one of the best maps out there.
2019-10-10 09:38
I like the map, way better than a boring mirage
2019-10-10 21:08
- D2 - Mirage Vertigo is pretty nice, all the D2 and Mirage fanboys mad cause they can't play real maps xD
2019-10-10 21:12
Denmark Xipingu 
Russians be jelly on D2, when it got removed for rewamp back in the day, all of them were raging with running mouthwater like crazy on the forums. It’s hilarious that it’s the only map they know how to play xD
2019-10-11 08:20
Canada thelegend27 
add big elevator to vertigo from t spawn to ct soawn that costs $5000 to use xDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-10 21:14
Aleksib | 
Finland tonyi 
-mirage +seaside
2019-10-10 21:18
what do you mean? people hated nuke for so long and still people hate nuke. and its still here. vertigo is decent imo.
2019-10-10 21:21
Yes it's decent but I don't think they can pull off what they did in overpass
2019-10-11 08:01
Japan Johnny_Br@Vo 
Still better than d2
2019-10-10 21:33
Japan Johnny_Br@Vo 
Forklift remove was bad else good update
2019-10-10 21:35
Mirage is community map
2019-10-11 07:49
And probably getting removed pretty soon
2019-10-11 08:02
Vertigo > D2, Mirage
2019-10-11 07:56
Inferno Overpass Train <3 Rest all shit
2019-10-11 08:03
Yeh those three are the best, Vertigo and Nuke are ok and D2 and Mirage are shit filled with russian ragekiddos LUL
2019-10-11 08:19
Vertigo and nuke would be good to play on if they give two separate maps in radar
2019-10-11 08:20
That and partially block the sound between lower and upper levels, on Nuke u can hear a guy running B while sitting in Heaven
2019-10-11 08:22
Argentina Konigmdq 
de_tuscan de_tuscan de_tuscan de_tuscan de_tuscan de_tuscan de_tuscan
2019-10-11 08:01
India spiderCAKE 
2019-10-11 10:26
karrigan | 
North America Jkhes 
Fuck cache, it's stale, it's derivative, it represents a direction in map making the game is moving away from, and the remake looks terrible. the only thing different about it are a few gimmicky boosts.
2019-10-11 08:06
India spiderCAKE 
Man, you have no idea. It's a cool map with many new possibilities. Also, the remake isn't the final draft.
2019-10-11 10:29
yeah , they changed the map 4 times if i am not wrong.. they fucked the A Site in this update :(
2019-10-11 09:14
cyx | 
Denmark VojenZ 
Too few changes to the map imo. It should had a bigge change like when they changed Nuke - it made a clear difference.
2019-10-11 09:34
Still waiting for de_tuscan
2019-10-11 09:35
Nice map. Like it
2019-10-11 10:13
its going to need a lot of rework in almost every area to be a playable map that doesnt make you rely on stupid random pushes and rewards tactical plays
2019-10-11 10:14
CS community: Dude, Vertigo sucks. We don't wan... Valve: NO NO WAIT LOOK, WE'VE MOVED A BOX BY 2CM NOW IT'S PERFECT! P L A Y I T!
2019-10-11 10:29
Vertigo is actually good. Hope it stays. For some reason people are so retarded they dont even want to give a chance for new map. Just grinding mirage and d2 in pugs over and over and over again xD How retarded is that seriously.
2019-10-11 13:43
At least Vertigo has a history IMO the least popular map may be Overpass. It was not in previous CS versions and was suddenly introduced and added to the map pool. I just can't accept it
2019-10-11 13:49
Chile imeanit 
-vertigo +cobblestone
2019-10-11 14:10
vertigo > shitferno all day long
2019-10-11 17:17
France uNLmofo 
we want de_prodigy
2019-10-11 17:18
Denmark Xipingu 
Yes pls! Loved that map
2019-10-12 21:44
France uNLmofo 
only the real know !
2019-10-12 21:44
Denmark Xipingu 
2019-10-12 22:07
The original maps were better than the remakes. Especially nuke and train.
2019-10-11 22:28
Japan Hentai_Guy 
-train -vertigo +cobble +tuscan Ty
2019-10-14 00:35
it really is a shit map, I like cache more... bring it back and lets see the pros play new cache
2019-10-14 16:08
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