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Polish election polls
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Switzerland MIBR_IS_15_22_5_18_18_1_20_5_4 
2019-10-12 01:04
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#1
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Japan DMcCarthy 
unexpected
2019-10-12 01:05
#3
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Germany sister_kisser 
where are the left wing parties 🤔🤔🤔😔😔
2019-10-12 01:07
SLD(Lewica) is the left wing
2019-10-12 02:07
beta
2019-10-12 02:30
im genuinely curious what does the left wing stand for in Poland.
2019-10-12 11:53
#143
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Portugal Zedonp 
anti current poland i think
2019-10-12 13:22
thats good then no ?
2019-10-12 17:42
fuck current, only voltage
2019-10-12 20:12
ummm did u mean vintage?
2019-10-12 22:19
no i dont think he did
2019-10-12 22:33
being a traitor
2019-10-12 17:08
probably communism like all the other left wing parties on the planet
2019-10-12 22:32
According Go Wiki SLD is centre-left and Not left Wing...
2019-10-12 12:11
Looks like Boland isn't voting retards into office. Good.
2019-10-12 12:27
#241
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Libya VeryGreenMan 
+1
2019-10-12 14:01
You didn't see the pis results did you?
2019-10-12 16:28
#100
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Poland misterr_ 
SLD has name (Lewica) which means (Left) or (Leftists)
2019-10-12 12:32
polish guys tells you it left wing but you trust wiki ok.....
2019-10-12 13:23
I trust wiki because for polish people everything that isnt conservative is left wing . and SLD is social democracy .. not socialist or communist.
2019-10-12 14:12
because we don't have strong right wing here in poland - except maybe Konfederacja all parties are half leftist(socialist) + slightly center I'd like to vote, but I don't have even a choice all options are historical outdataed garbage only one party is slighty progresive but they are lefist - so i doesn't matter we need strong ECONOMY, not fucking lgbt rights etc and being ECO like Greata
2019-10-12 14:20
calling your PiS party half leftist shows where polish politics have come to
2019-10-12 15:02
#308
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Poland Kobel_ 
For every outside viewer it's clearly visible Polish politics are drifted into right - not for socially conservative market liberals though - for them every party that isn't social conservative+market liberal is "left-wing".
2019-10-12 17:43
#412
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Poland Trausky 
you are an idiot PIS are national socialists
2019-10-13 13:18
Hitler also called his party national socialist.. wow.. the name decides the policies... of course
2019-10-13 13:24
#419
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Poland Trausky 
thats why i hate socialists
2019-10-13 13:26
Interesting. In Germany everything that isn't far left is regarded as far right literally Hitler muh 7 trillion.
2019-10-12 16:42
Actually it isnt Like that.. :) or do you think CDU and CSU are far right, I dont. And they are definitly not left.
2019-10-12 17:06
#411
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Poland Trausky 
he is retarded
2019-10-13 13:16
+1
2019-10-13 14:14
those people are post-communists, with that ideology rooted in their core if that not left wing then you're smarter
2019-10-12 14:10
#250
2019-10-12 14:12
if you know better than a man living in poland 30 y.o, then ok no point to discuss me smart, but lefist (you) smarter
2019-10-12 14:15
I rather have an internet article than a polish dude with a political opinion telling me what their parties are like..
2019-10-12 14:19
ok mate I guess you also rather watch a porn, than having real sex himself
2019-10-12 14:21
#413
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Poland Trausky 
ahhahahaha
2019-10-13 13:18
so read in any internet article who is Leszek Miller or Wlodzimierz Czarzasty and where they are now
2019-10-13 21:40
i mean you can always beg germany for some more money boohooooo we are victims :( sad polandball
2019-10-12 15:14
still no money from Germany
2019-10-12 19:17
#53
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Denmark I_eat_burgers 
All of them are leftists apart from Konfederacja Btw we are fucked anyway :)
2019-10-12 11:49
Actually that's very true. Shame that apart of mix of random people called Konfederacja there is no real right wing option
2019-10-12 12:30
#316
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Japan hirohito 
that's not even the worst, the worst is that pis voters think they're voting for right-winged partyXD
2019-10-12 17:50
Ikr, thats sad af bro :(
2019-10-12 22:20
for 3iq user proove_yourself maybe
2019-10-12 12:43
nah, we are fucked pis will win and keep destroying poland they are just flithy socialists
2019-10-12 12:46
they are not socialists, they are just corrupt. your history might lead you to think that those 2 thdngs are always linked, but there are corrupt people who arent socialists as well.
2019-10-12 13:22
You are delusional if you think that PIS is not a socialist party 😆
2019-10-12 13:35
they are a capitalist party like 99% of parties in europe. their policies are not aimed at empowering the workers of their country. they are aimed at keeping people poor, stupid, and dependent on the handouts from the party. thats not socialism brother, thats capitalism.
2019-10-12 13:36
#186
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
nt Karl Marx
2019-10-12 13:39
still very relevant hundreds of years later.
2019-10-12 13:39
In the last 4 years, they have introduced 30 new taxes. They introduced social program that gives you money for making children, they also have a program for government built housing. And now their plan is to raise the minimal wage by 2 times, more than any country has ever done, if they do it, inflation will be above 10% and unemployment will reach 20% or even 40% in poorer regions. They are religious socialists.
2019-10-12 13:48
again, raising the minimum wage is not necessarily a socialist policy. it can just be a populist policy aimed to attract voters so PiS gets a house majority and then they can take all those benefits and some more away and put the money in their own pockets.
2019-10-12 13:51
Capitalism is reliant on the free flow of capital in a free market economy. What PiS is doing is enabling more and more regulations and restrictions on our markets and moving us towards centrally planned economy, that is not capitalism. In a capitalist country, private investments dont make 13,5% as they do in poland! Which countries do you think are socialist if not poland.
2019-10-12 13:54
none on this planet right now. capitalism won the cold war baby. there is no ideology now. there are no socialists. only more or slightly less corrupt and more or slightly less dishonest populists
2019-10-12 13:57
if you are really american i can understand you have no idea what socialism means but im pretty sure you are fakeflagging polak and in that case considering your country's intimate acquintance with socialism i think you should see the difference between socialism and pure opportunism.
2019-10-12 13:52
Im polish, and thats why I know what its like first hand. I live in this country and see how its turning into what it was 30 years ago.
2019-10-12 13:55
30 years ago there was no free trade with the rest of europe and you didnt get 10 billion free euros from EU every year. even if PiS do everything they can to fuck up the country it cant be that bad again unless they leave EU.
2019-10-12 13:58
You are acting like I actually want poland to be in eu. I dont.
2019-10-12 14:04
???????????????????? you are against pis and against corruption and against socialism but also against the EU? do you just hate everyone on this planet or what?
2019-10-12 14:05
and then if you dont like any of those things what do you actually want? libertarian utopia? anarchy?
2019-10-12 14:05
then you are retarded
2019-10-12 15:41
#417
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Poland Trausky 
bro stop wasting your time talking to retard communist :)
2019-10-13 13:21
Everything a nazi burger sees is "left wing" to him. That tends to happen if you are a far right idiot.
2019-10-12 16:30
Im not even american.
2019-10-12 17:23
So everything but "burger" checks out.
2019-10-12 20:17
#317
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Japan hirohito 
>nazi >far right german history education...
2019-10-12 17:51
Fascism is a far right ideology. Japan should know.
2019-10-12 20:16
#368
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Japan hirohito 
both nazism and fascism combined socialistic economy with non-conservative social views, therefore they weren't right.
2019-10-12 20:21
In Gaymany
2019-10-12 12:01
#67
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Poland FitPolak 
First 4 are far left parties, lol
2019-10-12 12:02
#99
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Poland misterr_ 
How is pis leftist party Its KO, PSL, SLD
2019-10-12 12:31
#110
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Poland FitPolak 
-They give away money from taxes -Raise taxes -Add new taxes -They aren't capitalists as they claim (Morawiecki said he wants capitalism where everybody all have equal wealth, lol) Don't tell me its rightist way to do such things.
2019-10-12 12:37
#121
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Poland misterr_ 
Literally every party did that when they ruled (ur first 3 points) Also they are much more religious, against LGBT and sex education, refugees,nationalist.
2019-10-12 12:57
#124
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Poland FitPolak 
Because not any rightist party ruled Poland yet. And being religious, against LGBT doesn't make you rightist at any point, they might be not just far left party as I said. My mistake there
2019-10-12 13:00
+1
2019-10-12 13:47
#321
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Japan hirohito 
- religious - but they don't follow the Bible, socialism isn't christian at all they're what's called christian democrats, which is literally socialdemocracy but they pray to God - against lgbt - but they have sejm, senat and a president and it would take them 2 days to stop everything - sex education - my point above - refugees - Poland is the first or second in the amount of refugees taken in the european union (pis just said that they'll stop ILLEGAL refugees - what they've done was they took the illegal refugees and made them LEGALXD) - nationalist - yeah, maybe israeli nationalist, absolutely not polish
2019-10-12 17:56
#332
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Poland misterr_ 
do you come from poland?
2019-10-12 18:07
#334
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Japan hirohito 
proste
2019-10-12 18:07
pis po sld
2019-10-12 13:46
#5
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United States PsychoLogical 
eh typical Poland.
2019-10-12 01:09
#25
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Poland mtumee 
not really. the government is essentially bribing people into voting for them
2019-10-12 02:06
And it does it with their own money :D
2019-10-12 12:50
#384
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Poland mtumee 
lol that's the best part XD
2019-10-12 22:28
#6
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Germany SehrNetterKerl 
i dont know the parties
2019-10-12 01:09
Quick synopsis, they're all trash.
2019-10-12 01:17
#19
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Poland mtumee 
not really. you're just braindead and probably illiterate
2019-10-12 02:04
na he's just taken a look at your country.
2019-10-12 12:07
#261
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Poland Player10ne1 
But... they are all 100% trash
2019-10-12 14:26
+1
2019-10-12 14:25
who cars, probably wont be a better country even if germany paid them twice as much
2019-10-12 01:12
english no?
2019-10-12 18:03
not just a neo, but a grammar as well lul
2019-10-12 21:15
God damn, please go to school mate this is horrible
2019-10-12 21:51
poor kowalksi mad
2019-10-12 22:18
who ? lmao
2019-10-13 03:41
#8
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Hungary Hunnic_Empire 
Using LGBT colors on Poland elections. Not provocation at all, EU.
2019-10-12 01:13
#23
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Poland mtumee 
That's the whole point. Poland is mostly homophobic.
2019-10-12 02:04
you must be a german polak
2019-10-12 02:29
+1
2019-10-12 11:45
#58
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Poland sh0tdown 
it always have been point ever since communism when the west lands were established... EU always to maintain poland in some kind of way
2019-10-12 11:55
and that's your bigger concern?
2019-10-12 14:27
#323
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Japan hirohito 
HMMMM GUESS WHY POLAND IS HOMOPHOBIC MAYBE BECAUSE HALF-NAKED PPL MARCH THROUGH POLISH CITIES
2019-10-12 17:59
2019-10-12 01:16
Why doesn't Poland split up if you have such an obvious geographic segregation of political ideologies. Are there any separatist movements?
2019-10-12 12:21
#109
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Poland misterr_ 
No. It's since we got our independence back. Eastern Poland was under Russian occupation, and Western Poland under German (Prussian) occupation. East was not developing at all (Russian didn't develope this area at all), while Western was. That's why today on East usually live more poor people than in West. And all of these poor people vote for PiS because they give money for free. And that giving money away is so bad for our economy
2019-10-12 12:37
+1
2019-10-12 13:19
I guess that explains why the regions that were originally German are more left leaning while everywhere else is right wing haven to due to mainly poverty.
2019-10-12 13:46
that doesnt make any fucking sense because for economic reasons the rich part should be more fiscally conservative and against redistribution of wealth while the poor should be in favor of it. ill give you a hint: right and left stopped mattering as a political dimension somewhere in the 60s and 70s. you cant put politics on this one dimensional line anymore. nothing makes sense if you look at it that way.
2019-10-12 13:56
#318
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Poland Kobel_ 
About the latter paragraph - the West is more "left-leaning" as he said as in "more progressive" (another reason why Left/Right split is dumb, it's just confusing and every person defines it completely different). Ruling Law & Justice party, popular in the East was always economy-wise less liberal but socially more conservative than Civic Platform (which also was centre/centre-right, only lately slightly shifted to the left but still falls well under centrist category), thus appealing to underdeveloped and more religious parts of the country.
2019-10-12 17:53
Ruling Law & Justice party = Pis right ? I was wondering, is it considered a far-right party by Poles ?
2019-10-12 21:26
#390
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Poland Kobel_ 
They're generally considered right, not far-right by the most. Even though, they get called fascist a lot - but it's mostly because of their authoritarian-like moves like trying to get a hold on Supreme Court and "repolonization" of media which in practice turned goverment-owned Telewizja Polska (TVP) into their propaganda device (inb4 - most media lean to either side, but the manipulations are so blatant you'd feel sorry for people who believe that). And also being very anti-sexual minorities and blocking easy access to emergency contraception. Now, there are some people, most now supporting Konfederacja (Confederation/Confederacy - it's the same word in Polish) that are conservative (even more so than PiS) and market liberal and they consider PiS a... leftist party. But they generally consider everyone but themselves leftist. Oh and right, THOSE guys are far-right. They have religious radicals as well as nationalist National Movement in the ranks.
2019-10-12 22:56
#286
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Poland misterr_ 
yup
2019-10-12 16:58
Lul gay rainbow, fuck EU
2019-10-12 01:18
#15
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Poland @skaddycsgo 
+1000
2019-10-12 01:48
#21
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Poland mtumee 
yeah because pre-EU Poland was so good lmao
2019-10-12 02:03
#60
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Poland Szcz 
+1
2019-10-12 11:56
#79
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Other nt_newfag 
fuck eu? do you know how much you fucking leeches get from eu?
2019-10-12 12:08
do you know how much fucking profit eu gets back from that?
2019-10-12 12:13
#116
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2019-10-12 12:46
yes, a lot less than the 10 billion free euros you get every year. so stfu and take our money and stop destroying your state, thank you.
2019-10-12 13:21
he's retarded don't mind him
2019-10-12 14:03
lmao what a cock sucking western wannabe
2019-10-12 18:54
sorry i cant hear you because of all the cocks in my mouth
2019-10-12 19:40
enjoy ur meal
2019-10-12 19:44
#315
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Japan hirohito 
in exchange for the loss of sovereignty and marxist obergovernment in brussels, wonderful deal
2019-10-12 17:49
they sure do a better job than the polish govt itself at managing the country's economy
2019-10-12 19:41
#350
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Japan hirohito 
XD
2019-10-12 19:48
harsh but true. come on even my country needs EU oversight to stop my corrupt asshole government from doing corrupt illegal shit at every turn.
2019-10-12 19:49
#359
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Japan hirohito 
bruh i'll tell you how eu oversights over economies in 2001 there were 76 sugar refineries in Poland in 2006, there was a "limit" for producing sugar implemented by eu in 2013, the amount of sugar refineries in Poland fell to 18, most of them were in german hands later in 2013, eu decided to abolish the 2006 sugar policy
2019-10-12 20:03
yes obviously when you reduced the amount of sugar refineries by 80% you dont need the regulation anymore. and obviously in any sector that needs to shrink a lot of ppl will go out of business or need to sell. sugar isnt exactly a super profitable crop. i dont see a big conspiracy here. of course it sucks for polish ppl that they dont have pockets as deep as the germans so they get outcompeted in tough markets but if thats the worst problem you can come up with, i think its a pretty good situation.
2019-10-12 20:06
#369
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Japan hirohito 
ok so i understand, that you think a government is and should be allowed to regulate any part of the market in that way (including a foreign government). you clearly don't see the catastrophic consequences of acting like that, extreme amount of monopolies for example. so lets just limit the amount of supermarkets in the same way and the biggest company stays last, leading to huge increase in prices of food.
2019-10-12 20:30
im pretty sure there are no monopolies in the sugar business at the moment
2019-10-12 23:12
There's a lot of corruption among dutch politicians ? Didn't know that
2019-10-12 21:27
the best kind of corruption is the kind you never hear about
2019-10-12 23:12
Makes sense haha
2019-10-13 01:16
not very relevant where the money goes when you get it for free and you can decide yourself where to spend it.
2019-10-12 19:42
Each investment project has to approved by the EU, like german car plants
2019-10-12 19:45
still your decision which projects to plan. all this article means is that your decisionmaking and your industry are so bad that its a waste of money for you to spend the money in poland.
2019-10-12 19:46
The point is that an investment project that will solely benefit Poland will most likely be dismissed by the eu
2019-10-12 19:52
yes because it will probably be a bad investment
2019-10-12 19:52
Poland has a +5% GDP growth rate, that's also because of bad investments right?
2019-10-12 19:55
no thats because of that 10 billion free euros you get to use for shopping in germany every year
2019-10-12 19:55
Yes because a 1.9% additional cash flow into the 524 billion Polish economy is the reason why it grew by 5% lmao
2019-10-12 19:58
where did you get this 524 billion number? according to wikipedia its about double that. anyway, yes, an extra 2% free money a year that your government can invest into long term projects, infrastructure, industry, can easily net a much bigger return. if you dont think it matters, why dont you give it back to germany and the other countries that gave it to you?
2019-10-12 20:01
Its double that if you take PPP into account. It's funny the effort your're putting in to disregard the Polish economy. EU money will continue pouring in because Poland is a great place to invest in as well as a large agricultural market.
2019-10-12 20:10
yes its a great place to invest if you spend 89 cents on the euro in germany
2019-10-12 20:11
honestly i dont understand why polish people are so salty that germany and other EU contributors are pulling your country out of the gutter and turning it into a first world economy. some thanks would be nice.
2019-10-12 19:56
+1
2019-10-12 12:27
+777
2019-10-12 15:56
Pre-war Poland borders images.app.goo.gl/dkyrEzVqU4C9RBUP9 PiS (conservative ) voters images.app.goo.gl/QskgoH6n1j4CSuzk7
2019-10-12 01:31
#54
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
that's cool, I like looking at stuff like this you can all see it with German Imperial borders, so the extended pre-war German border i.redd.it/0p1dd3ajxj001.jpg I'm not sure if there's any correlation but it's still pretty cool
2019-10-12 11:52
#322
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Poland Kobel_ 
What's worth mentioning is that the population of Polish territories that belonged to Germany before WW2 is mostly made of descendants of "repatriants" (why in " would be a whole another debate) from Polish Kresy (pre-WW2 Polish territory lost to USSR).
2019-10-12 17:57
#313
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Poland esyi 
im glad im living in opolskie (least votes for pis)
2019-10-12 17:45
#327
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Japan hirohito 
to be fair, votes for po are equally mentally disabled:))
2019-10-12 18:01
+1
2019-10-12 21:37
Old german lands - centre-left Old polish lands - rightists Its clearly visible on the map powiewswiezosci.neon24.pl/post/104779,dl..
2019-10-12 01:46
#27
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Poland mtumee 
That's stupid. The same pattern can be seen in unemployment. Poor people vote for 500+
2019-10-12 02:08
pretty interesting!
2019-10-12 13:37
#14
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Poland @skaddycsgo 
Na Konfederacje bracia.
2019-10-12 01:48
#55
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Denmark I_eat_burgers 
Pewnie i tak nie wejdą :(
2019-10-12 11:49
4,76% inc
2019-10-12 12:05
#94
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Denmark I_eat_burgers 
F
2019-10-12 12:26
not rly, there wasnt a protokół yet
2019-10-12 13:48
xD
2019-10-12 17:55
with that weather it will be 50/50
2019-10-12 13:48
#56
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Poland AvaroS 
+1
2019-10-12 11:50
+1
2019-10-12 15:37
konfederacja would win but only 18yo and older can vote JANUSZ KORWIN MIKKE !!!
2019-10-12 01:52
#20
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Poland mtumee 
you idiots thought they would make a difference but you essentially voted for PiS hahaha
2019-10-12 02:01
Are you mentally disabled? Honest question. Konfederacja is opposing pretty much everything PIS does, they want to abolish 500+ and all the taxes that PIS introduced. Remove PIT and additional taxes on oil. Oh, they also won 3 times in court against PIS :)))
2019-10-12 13:41
#385
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Poland mtumee 
we'll see when they make a coalition with PiS lol (if they even reach 5%)
2019-10-12 22:29
If PIS gets more than 50% they won't need to, if they have less than 50% we might have coalition of every party against PIS that would be pretty weird, who knows.
2019-10-13 01:09
#398
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Poland mtumee 
lol that would be pretty funny
2019-10-13 01:10
#62
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein ticket
2019-10-12 11:59
#68
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Poland sh0tdown 
Ein Volk ein reich ein Ticket
2019-10-12 12:02
#69
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
Reich, ticket
2019-10-12 12:03
#71
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Poland sh0tdown 
Have u seen new clip that he made after coming back from UK "Vote for me queen" and next text is "Left Communists Marxist and Gays i laugh much more when i hear their ideas " XD
2019-10-12 12:04
None of the parties views align fully with mine. At least no more than 70% of their electoral programme, so I'd like to not vote for anyone. However, I'll vote for the closest to mine (even if I disagree with some) just so PIS won't get more %. Anything would be better than the current ruling government, ANYTHING.
2019-10-12 01:55
what's wrong with PiS?
2019-10-12 02:23
I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go on a TL:DR rant just to see replies with "libtard/Leftist/Gay/Unpatriotic" etc. xD They're destroying the country on almost every level possible. They incite only hate and anger towards ANYONE even their own (Poles) just to satisfy the masses. Anyone who's not fully compliant with their views is an enemy that almost literally should die (which their politicians said quite a few times) - that should tell you something. Most of their decisions/policies/views simply don't align with mine at all. Almost 0%. If you're truly interested, though, on what's wrong with PiS Just read their agenda, read about what they've done and decide, whether they're good for our country (or even people in general) or not.
2019-10-12 02:32
such a long ass comment and yet you didn't make a point, I can see why people would call you those names lol
2019-10-12 02:37
Or you're just too ignorant and blind to see them :)
2019-10-12 02:33
no, what are they doing that's so bad?
2019-10-12 02:35
#43
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Belgium Miiyata 
He's trying to say, the PiS is dividing population and spreading hatred based on total bollocks so that the big group becomes more convinced(look at brazilians for example) of PiS and keep voting for them. It's how every country's politics work, divide and conquer.
2019-10-12 02:51
Can you give me an example?
2019-10-12 02:53
#45
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Belgium Miiyata 
Leftists vs rightists for example?
2019-10-12 02:56
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You and the other dude sound like the average moron accusing Trump of being racist and divisive and when you ask them what exactly he's doing that qualifies as such, they don't know what to say. All emotional bullcrap accusations, no arguments. aka orange man bad PiS bad waaaaaaah
2019-10-12 03:16
go back to your own country, non white person is pretty racist
2019-10-12 11:57
+1 was expecting the polish guy to start listing off corruption charges etc. i love that we live in an age when the worst thing people are crying about in politics is traditional marketing/political strategies or populism. gonna be a rough wake up call for these uneducated kids if we ever actually slide back 100 years or so (like they think we have).
2019-10-12 12:15
What? Those catholic retards in Poland are 100 years behind civilized world. They are also creating a system where the party in charge controls all judges so that they can keep on stealing the billions EU gives to Poland.
2019-10-12 12:53
well see that's an actual reason, doesnt have any connection to stealing from the EU (which in itself is a dubious/unsubstantiated point) but is still a reason that is a million times more concrete and legitimate than anything the guy above said.. still its one point and corruption is borderline intrinsic to politics (you can find worse violations of democracy and basic human rights in Germany, England and the US). fyi no matter how much you wish it to be the case, poland is far from being 100 years behind (literally the only place in the world 100 years behind is middle eastern countries).
2019-10-12 13:19
#214
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Belgium Miiyata 
I haven't said PiS is bad, i just said they use a strategy to win a lot of votes, which often isn't in a positive way. Get a grip...
2019-10-12 13:46
the part where they removed a bunch of judges and took control of most of the press in the country. the part where pis politicians are calling for violence against people who dont agree with their obviously corrupt deals and rules. the part where their rhetoric is completely familiar to me because its literally the same rhetoric the nazis used.
2019-10-12 13:19
+1, he played himself
2019-10-12 12:29
I'm quite curious though, if you could elaborate a bit I've found an interest in the polish history, which is really interesting, and very fluctuating depending on the source you read, which isn't the case of west-european countries Politically, I obviously don't support Pis at all as my name checks out, but I'm reading all sorts of versions from Poles about Pis on HLTV In France, what we mostly hear is the hatred towards Islam, the conservatism of traditions, of the catholic identity. But also one of the most controversial points is the control of the justice and medias that they apply. So yeah, you can't read anything positive about Pis in France, but the negative points aren't that elaborated either
2019-10-12 22:01
Well, you’ve basically listed some of the negative points :). Technically “not positive” in most cases is negative. It’s hard to put everything into a forum post to understand one point of view, but I’ll try. First of all, don’t bother trying to understand our situation or politics or EVEN views of people from HLTV xD I’m sorry but most of Poles here are either fake-flagging or have no idea about life, country or politics or simply trolling. Now about why is the PIS so bad? 1. Propaganda that’s close to Belarus/ZSRR one with fanatic/tyranny views from leaders. Fake news, fake accusations, fake law suits. “Their” news never speak of anything bad/controversial they’re doing but always overrate their “good” plans. And people believe that. 2. Taking full control over Highest court and law (along with news, military and various others). Simple example is that they were raging on previous government when (after 8 years of ruling) had 4? Judges. Well after years cadency ends a new one has to be put in place. They called that unconstitutional. Now what they did when they got full power? They’ve (without cadencies ending) fired about 8 od judges and put their own, just like that xD And people believe that was fine and right. 3. Manipulation of people through the church. That is one of our most sacred constitution entries. That GOVERNMENT should be separate from the Religion. Yet, which is extremely hard to believe, on most Holy Masses, most priests tell people how “PIS” is the best and “If you call yourself a true Christian, you should vote for them” I mean that’s a fucking red flag for everything from morality, fanaticism, constitution to common sense. And that happened even when PiS was not in power and yet, the government couldn’t do shit about it because the church has THAT much power in our country. Feels like fucking middle-ages. Not to mention a lot of our tax money goes blatantly to church through Rydzyk (you need to read up on him) hands, whether it be directly or indirectly. And no one bats an eye xD 4. Their most popular plan which got them the votes. 500+ (zł) a month for each born child. This is a JOKE. Of course, we as a country need more social benefits but don’t start from that! I won’t go into details but in short I think it’s one of the most retarded things they could do. Gray sector grew immensely, it bred laziness in people. A lot of people stopped working and there was not enough working force which is now occupied by Ukrainians. Why should they work if they’re getting paid for having babies? A lot of young (and stupid) people started breeding thinking that it will be enough. Most of those families are or soon will be a pathology. Now what it did in reality? That money didn’t come from space, they took it from other benefits/funds/plans to fucking fund this retarded idea. What it actually did? Prices of everything (from rents bills, communication, petrol, food, entertainment etc.) got extremely high. Over those 4 years the cost of living grew WAY over those 500zl a month. Not to mention I don’t understand rewarding people for not doing anything/only breeding and leaving the actual working force/small and big business owners with nothing but higher prices for everything. 5. They literally say things like “They who don’t support us should just die”/”Who’s not with us will be put down”/”The good kind (pis voters) are the only true Poles” etc. That is something past tyrants done. It incites anger, hatred and physical actions in people against everyone who doesn’t fully agree with them. It divides the nation and not just divides it like republicans and democrats. Those tensions and views are quite close to a civil war. People are beating up blatantly others on streets. Even that clip from the gay parade. It’s still a human and they’ve beat them up along with children and women thinking they’re doing good for the country. Brainwashed monkeys is all I will say. We’re all human and above all we’re all Poles. 6. They want to go more towards east (Russia) then west (EU) in political views and relations. Russia and Putin are extremely dangerous and even world powers can’t do shit about him. I don’t want any relations with such a nation aside from “neutral”. We’ll get swallowed up before those idiots realize something is wrong. 7. Through the full control of Law & justice department, government, military and Media they can laundry the money to church/personal companies/personal gain. Which wasn’t so high even when communism was abolished. They’re doing it blatantly and no one can do shit about it. Yet where previous government ordered seafood in a restaurant and paid with tax-payers money the whole country was in uproar branding him a thief. Now PiS os building several companies, funding church with MILLIONS of Zł’s , building personal villas and it’s fine. And many, many other things big or small but I’d need to write an article. If you read all that, chapeau bas to you :) To all the possible trolls/haters below – I only have 5 replies xD TL:DR’s Inc and for the record – I don’t care :*
2019-10-12 23:09
I read it all, thanks for writing this btw ! I'll answer when I'm not drunk anymore though
2019-10-13 01:16
Ok so these guys are authoritarians and have lots of similarities with fascism, but on the other hand they kind of give away money to families, and that's probably one of the main reasons why some Poles tell me that I'm retarded when I say that Pis is a rightist/far-rightist party (lots of Poles I've talked with considered Pis as a leftist party indeed, but they seemed quite far-rightist themselves)
2019-10-13 13:47
Np. Hope you enjoyed it ;) They act as they're the far-right and their views kinda align with that (Christianity, nationalists, conservatism) which gets them a LOT of votes because of Polish mentality. However, their enactments, political decisions tend towards far-left with their socialism and funds. Both of those, however, are their main weapons to get votes. So truly where they stand? I guess centre with views from both. It's a mish-mash of everything. They're both that and that and neither would be wrong saying they're either.
2019-10-13 21:35
#425
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Czech Republic VeryCzechGuy 
nice reading mate :)
2019-10-13 14:19
Glad you liked it :)
2019-10-13 21:35
#114
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Poland misterr_ 
PiS or KO (PO) are same shit. U forgot how PO was destroying country already? Selling all mines, all polish companies, VAT holes so they could steal money easy, they didn't care about Poland at all. What's their programme now? I didn't see any program from then except "FREE INTERNET FOR YOUNG PEOPLE" on Twitter. Their whole programme is; pis did bad that and that and that. Of course, I don't say PiS is good, both parties are utterly shit, but they are both in the same level. Stop voting for the same parties that rule Poland since 2005. There is currently no good party in Poland, imo we should vote for something new tho. And I don't talk about communist PSL or SLD
2019-10-12 12:45
it really doesnt matter what you vote because laws are made by EU now, not by national governments.
2019-10-12 13:17
really seems like that in #137. id find it easier to agree with you guys if you were morally or philosophically consistent. edit - or if you guys weren't so desperate to feel oppressed by conflating everything to past tragedies.
2019-10-12 13:22
past tragedies? im watching the tragedy of the complete implosion of the polish state in the present. its slipping right through your fingers. without the threat of the EU, that they can stop giving you 10 billion free euros every year, it would be complete anarchy already and there would be no free press and every judge would be owned by pis. and still its at a point where i fear the corruption cannot be uprooted without dissolving the complete government and having fair elections monitored by the EU and international NGOs
2019-10-12 13:25
meh really not comparable to what you try to compare it to... plus why aren't you complaining daily about actual tragedies like Turkey, Venezuela, Russia, half of the Middle East and China. so, no this is just sensationalism driven by what i pointed out in my final point.
2019-10-12 13:27
because those are third world countries and poland is in the EU. we have higher standards here than in the rest of the world.
2019-10-12 13:28
well youre fucked... but ty for showing my first point to be correct.
2019-10-12 13:28
also poland doing badly reflects badly on every other EU country.
2019-10-12 13:28
even though this government is not allowed to make any decisions, because decisions are made in brussels, corruption and dishonesty are still very dangerous to the cohesion of the country. and to its wealth. from the perspective of my country, its only good that the polish state is weak. more cheap labor for us. im not saying this because its in my interest. im legitimately concerned for polish people. havent you suffered enough in past centuries? do you want to feel the boot again?
2019-10-12 13:27
not polish...
2019-10-12 13:28
pick a flag then
2019-10-12 13:29
why? please id like to hear your explanation. mine is that unlike you village trolls, some people travel around the world.
2019-10-12 13:29
if you showed a flag here, i would not assume you were polish. so we would not have wasted time in this conversation, where you had to tell me youre not polish. pretty simple.
2019-10-12 13:30
you could just not assume...
2019-10-12 13:31
yes or you could just show your flag and not waste everyone elses time trying to guess where you are from, dickhead.
2019-10-12 13:32
topkek #161
2019-10-12 13:33
topkek still no flag fuck off pls
2019-10-12 13:34
man you got angry quickly. not even like i was rude or anything. just pointing out where youre wrong, arrogant and/or being stupid. sorry bby
2019-10-12 13:36
you come into a thread like this without a flag, which leads everyone to the obvious assumption youre polish and hiding your flag despite being fully aware that youre hiding your flag, you dont mention you are not polish, until you are engaged in conversation by someone. you purposely wasted my time. so, go fuck yourself. sincerely. press alt f4, pull down your pants, and fuck yourself.
2019-10-12 13:38
wow youre delusional.
2019-10-12 13:38
no baby this is what you did, look in the fucking mirror and realize ur retarded
2019-10-12 13:39
?? so confused
2019-10-12 13:39
i think you might be mentally ill mate.
2019-10-12 13:39
yes of course im mentally ill while youre the person wasting everyones time on the internet for no reason because you dont want to show where you are from. pussy boy.
2019-10-12 13:40
okey kid.
2019-10-12 13:41
xddddddddddddddddddddddddd stfu kid
2019-10-12 13:42
youre really creative and intelligent clearly. talking out of your arse about another country and then flipping out cus you found out you weren't lecturing a native on their own country. seems mentally stable.
2019-10-12 13:42
im flipping out here because you intentionally wasted my time when you could have just said right away youre not polish. this kind of childish behaviour only has 1 purpose and thats to annoy ppl and waste their time. youre like one of those 13yo kids with shit parents who lose mm games on purpose to troll people.
2019-10-12 13:43
i really hope youre joking. otherwise you really should go see a doctor.
2019-10-12 13:44
buddy, i'll explain it for the 5th time now really slowly in political conversations, its really useful if you just temporarily change your flag so ppl dont make wrong assumptions about which country you are from. not doing this is fucking annoying. im starting to suspect youre either mentally retarded or you cannot read.
2019-10-12 13:45
"in political conversations, its really useful if you just temporarily change your flag so ppl dont make wrong assumptions about which country you are from." this is all the proof i need to know you've spent too much time on the internet and specifically hltv. i gotta go but ty for this entertaining read. still waiting for you to actually show any of the points i made to be wrong. i mean ik youre mentally ill but try to follow a conversation in the future. also dont just parrot what other people say (you parrot people you disagree and agree with xd).
2019-10-12 13:47
i dont have to show anything you say is wrong because you are too small dicked to even show where you are from so your opinion is irrelevant.
2019-10-12 14:06
and then because you know full well you screwed the pooch you go insult me and call me arrogant. you cunt.
2019-10-12 13:38
screwed the pooch how? you'd already called me a dickhead....
2019-10-12 13:39
because you wasted my time, dickhead.
2019-10-12 13:39
still wondering how i screwed the pooch? by showing how youre arrogant, wrong and an assumptive idiot?
2019-10-12 13:40
i already explained it 3 times now. i know you fucked up . you know you fucked up. lets end it here.
2019-10-12 13:41
how did i fuck up? im starting to think your literacy may not be as good as you pretend. p.s. there are better services than google translate.
2019-10-12 13:41
still not seeing any flag next to your name, pussy boy
2019-10-12 13:42
#161 ill wait for translate to load it up.
2019-10-12 13:43
you really dont realize you look like a fucking idiot do you
2019-10-12 13:44
cus i don't have some pixels next to my name on an online forum. pixels that wouldn't be accurate anyway....
2019-10-12 13:45
AT LEAST THOSE PIXELS WOULD TELL ME YOU ARE NOT POLISH SO YOU WOULD NOT WASTE MY TIME YOU DUMB FUCK.
2019-10-12 13:50
if you dont understand that this statement could only be said by delusional kids online, then youre too lost for anyone to help you. lets break down the meaning of what you said. youre upset (which by itself is laughable) because my lack of flag meant that you thought i was from a country that i never said i was from or gave any indication i was from (in fact any well travelled person usually spots my origin pretty quickly through my use of specific words). you are then saying this conversation was pointless because i am not polish (even though that would make it pointless for you too, at the very least you called yourself out here). finally you have failed to understand the point of flag which is to show which nation you are from; and as ive implied multiple times... I am not from one nation, nor do i relate to or support just one. but youve someone convinced yourself (mentally ill) that i should use a flag just so that you (a random internet person) can be sure that you are lecturing only people from the country you have now been shown to know nothing about... all the while pretending that you are doing it for their own good. wow. best part is kids dont even understand how this^ is indicative of delusional behaviour cus they haven't spent enough time around real people anymore. worst part is that in 30 years, you'll be a normal thing.
2019-10-12 16:19
didnt read, you wasted enough of my time, still no flag, pussy boy
2019-10-12 19:39
you may legit be mentally ill.
2019-10-12 13:42
no, you
2019-10-12 13:42
also i love that you think corruption is why poland isnt wealthy.
2019-10-12 13:30
it is. they have more population than my country. they have enough labor. they have enough land. either they are very lazy people, which i know is not true because polish people in my country work hard cleaning our toilets and picking our tomatoes, or there is a lot of corruption and inadequate government. as a dutchman i cannot see any other reason why a country that is blessed with so much good land to farm can be so poor.
2019-10-12 13:32
"as a dutchman" wut xdddd Poland is not 'so poor'. while their wealth is not equatable to most western european countries, you have to remember 1- communism over the 20th century crushed most eastern european economies. 2- good agriculture is not gonna mean you have a high gdp... its not the 17th century.
2019-10-12 13:35
tbh i should've stopped replying when i saw your only argument was 'they have good top soil'... danes looking for a replacement for england 1000years down the line?
2019-10-12 13:38
+1 dont vote for the same two parties that have been destroying this country for 30 years
2019-10-12 13:44
#287
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Poland misterr_ 
yeah. i had hopes that maybe when the generation born in 60-70 will die, Poland will finally go away and cut that communist history completely, but when i found out that few of my friends gonna vote on PO (or right now its KO) then I doubted the meaning of life lol
2019-10-12 17:04
I wasn’t a big PO supporter. With most of their views, I agreed though (contrary to PIS and other similar). Destroying the country? How? I mean they were not perfect, they did a LOT of good and ofc they had some dirty politicians, every party has those. And let me be precise here, I will NOT be voting for PO (KO atm) this cadency. Now please compare how many “Scandals” PO had over 8 years and how many PIS has over 4. Also, note what was their weight… Most PO’s were overrated trivial things compared to what PIS is and was doing. PO ruled when the economy was at it’s worst, all over Europe. It was a development stagnation due to market crashes and too much China involvement into… well, everything. AND YET Do you not see how the country developed during those years? Our debt (% wise comparing other years) actually was stable or not too much higher, just see actual statistics that compare more than 6 years of a timeline. We finally got a lot of outside investors, building the infrastructure, new technologies, travel industries, sports arenas, schools how much they developed. For God’s sake, we went from the same chairs for 7-14 years old and uncleanable, falling chalkboards to most schools having projectors in classrooms and actual laboratories. Comparing 90’s-2005 development (EVERYTHING) to 2005-2013 it’s almost like comparing middle ages and XIX century. Don’t be subjective, open your eyes and see how the country actually changed or believe that they are traitors because the propaganda says so. As I said, they weren’t perfect by no means but they really did good. Selling mines? Well I agree to sell them. Most were unprofitable. The previous and PO’s (yes, their too) tried to keep investing into them, pumping money. But they were simply unprofitable. And don’t say “all” mines. They tried selling the ones that were not worth the investment or keeping them alive for the “traditional” aspect of coal and keeping immerse mining pensions. Polish companies? Well someone is their owner and it’s his right to sell them. Unless you mean the government institutions. Some were sold premature, yes but most like above did not bring enough profit to bother. Just because they’re Polish we should be losing money on them and keep pumping our tax-payers money just to keep them alive? And don’t go with “They were our pride then and then” – WERE. Vat Holes? Every party in every country siphons some amount and I don’t deny PO did as well. Now compare PO’s over 8 years and PIS over those 4 xD. Where’s their agenda? Bro… You don’t need to (or shouldn’t even) watch the news for that. Read up on them. I’ve read and checked every party agenda. It’s available on their party site with SPECIFICS on their policies, views, what they want to and don’t want to do. There dozens of available summaries or main points if you can’t bother to read the whole agendas. And they have good ideas this cadency as well. Whether both parties are utter shit? Well PIS is utter shit and devastating to our country. While others are just not perfect. If you scratch KO, PIS, PSL, SLD then the only real choice or Korwin’s party which has some great ideas but also has utter anarchy/tyranny/military state ideas (50/50) so I wouldn’t go for that either. Others you are left with, they themselves don’t know what to do and how to do it. You’d know if you’ve read their agendas or even sometimes listened to their politicians on the media. PIS sadly (which I truly don’t understand how people are so stupid) will win, either way, I just hope PIS won’t get over or close to 50% and that is my only shining beacon of hope and towards that end, I am voting. KO will get in either way and the only other logical party with some actual ideas and a plan towards those ideas that’s left is SLD for which I will vote this cadency. Not fully proud of it, as I disagree with some of their policies and ideas
2019-10-13 01:45
#403
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Poland misterr_ 
i could make long post like you, describing everything, but i found pretty good site which represent my opinion about PO. name is pretty funny, but have a look: grzechy-platformy.org/ Also, once again, I point that PiS isnt perfect or good party either. Im not voting for them or something like this, personally going for Konfederacja. But, PiS had less scandals, country is developing in good way: more roads(better communication between cities), VAT holes has been mostly "stopped", reprivatization of Warsaw (made by PO), PKB of Poland is higher every year, (btw take a look at this screenshot, I think you know which year which party was ruling. I dont think that low economic growth was so low during PO rules just beause of world crisis imgur.com/a/VvF750g ). They arent saint; 500+, 100k apartments, courts etc, but still; my point is: shit > pis > po
2019-10-13 03:04
And I still, say that PIS is 10x worse. Nowhere did I state that PO was perfect either. I know the site - did you actually read it though? Some of those "sins" mentioned there are actually good decisions mate xD You think PIS had less scandals because the opposition (EVERYONE, from KO to "independant" parties) are fucking pussies. PiS had balls to bring out every even trivial matter and blow it out of proportion and people swallowed it whole. The ruling government then, when PIS was the opposition didn't care what they did and did nothing to make people believe them nor did they explain themselves. It's the same now. PiS is ruling, has a scandal over scandal, their enactments are distasteful and unconditional and YET the opposition doesn't do shit. They don't do press meetings, they don't talk to the public about it, they just let it go thinking that "people surely know". They don't know how to do aggressive politics as PiS does. That might be why you think that PiS has fewer scandals and is doing better. PIS politicians are making brothels of out their real estate, laundering money for Jarek's private company (tens of millions) and same with Rydzyk investments. And they're doing it blatantly acting like it's just fine. Of course, PKP (and that is only one of many things that are important) is better since we've done "so well" in the crisis, now it's building up. A lot of the infrastructure you mention is simply a continuation from what PO started (not all, but a lot). Reprivatization of Warsaw... that's sensitive topic and not as simple as you make it sound. Also, they were ruling for 8 years and yet didn't make any unconstitutional moves to have the whole or even part of the country in their hands like PIS did within their first year of ruling trying to get everything under them. That alone should give some insight about the true intentions of PIS compared to PO. Konfederacja though... they're too radical. I'd like to see them finally within the parliament to see if they actually have to balls to do what they say. Purely theoretically though, if Konfederacja would get 50%+ of votes Poland would become a military state with almost no freedom (assuming all of Korwins ideas would get implemented). Don't get me wrong, some of their ideas and plans are great but others are... well I wouldn't want to live to see them come true ;) It's been like that for 15 years now. PO vs PIS war. Each one of us has their beliefs. Doubt I'll convince you nor you'll convince me. Kinda OK = PO > Shit > PiS
2019-10-13 04:03
#408
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Poland misterr_ 
Yeah, agreed about the last sentence. Konfederacja though isn't only Korwin. And yeah, few of their plans are radical, but I want to see them in parliament to know if they actually have balls to do it. I'm just tired of same shit and wars between PO and PiS. Both parties for me are shit, both parties were created on communist people, there are still ex-communists in our parliament which is nonsense for me. In Hungary or other post-sovirt country they could wipe everything from these times, we couldn't . People decided to choose these people again. And now we have problems because of that. After WW1, Poland was in shit situation, Pilsudski and Dmowski had completely different worldviews. Same like PO and PiS now. Although they could unite to make strong country. Now I don't see any chance that our government can unite with opposition and vice versa (if PO was ruling). And that scares me, because u see what USA did with Kurds. We can't rely on other, we have to rely on ourselves. With inside war and POPIS ruling we can't.
2019-10-13 12:54
Agree with that post 100%. Good talk ;)
2019-10-13 21:28
#22
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Germany Merkelistan 
Dark clouds over Poland
2019-10-12 02:04
#24
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Poland mtumee 
Especially if PiS gets over 50%
2019-10-12 02:05
with D'hont method they dont need 50%, they just need pls or konfa not to get in and then they will have majority with 45% or even less
2019-10-12 13:51
#311
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Japan hirohito 
+1, that's why tvn started to promote Konfa in their news, unfortunately only in this week
2019-10-12 17:45
#386
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Poland mtumee 
you're right. I meant effectively 50%, which looks like it's gonna happen
2019-10-12 22:30
#386
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Poland mtumee 
you're right. I meant effectively 50%, which looks like it's gonna happen
2019-10-12 22:30
The worst thing is that all the parties suck. PiS is destroying this country, but all their rivals seem to be 10iq idiots. Its just sad.
2019-10-12 02:12
its almost like poland is just a badly organized country with weak democracy and ppl who dont really care about their freedom... same goes for my country btw
2019-10-12 13:16
Only about 50% of ppl take part in election in Poland. The rest just dont care. The problem is in education, in school we are not taught about economy at all. 58% of ppl think that they dont pay any taxes !!! And now when the current government increased social expanses about 45% of ppl will vote for them cuz they think that this money came from nowhere. They r not aware what is happening.
2019-10-12 13:28
it did come from nowhere basically, its free EU money. giving that money to the people is just about the best thing they could do with that money. the issue is every other thing they are doing destroying free press and judges who dont follow their political line.
2019-10-12 13:33
>democracy >freedom pick one
2019-10-12 14:53
hi raphe bye raphe
2019-10-12 14:54
+1
2019-10-12 14:52
yea ur country is fucking racist. big surprise.
2019-10-12 02:21
What's wrong with that?
2019-10-12 12:34
the part where you are letting this party destroy any form of independence from judges and press etc so they can rule like its the 1980s again
2019-10-12 13:15
#32
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Brazil JMB_17 
polish people are the wisest on earth. After suffering with nazis and communists, they know what's best for them
2019-10-12 02:24
+1
2019-10-12 02:25
#49
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Brazil _Awper 
+1
2019-10-12 03:17
and instead of picking whats best for them they do the opposite
2019-10-12 13:15
dont talk about their politics if you dont live in poland because you are really stupid
2019-10-12 13:28
no actually its polish politics that is really stupid
2019-10-12 13:34
you probably think pis is right wing party and if you think it is then you shouldnt talk about their politics
2019-10-12 13:35
i think they are corrupt enough that it doesnt even fucking matter which side of any issue they say they are on. just like the VVD in my country.
2019-10-12 13:35
every party is corrupt there is no good party is just choosing the less evil
2019-10-12 13:36
in that case emigration is the only correct choice
2019-10-12 13:53
+1
2019-10-12 13:52
95.24 still vote for communists socialists marxists and other reds
2019-10-12 13:53
#310
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Japan hirohito 
+1 czerwonym smierc
2019-10-12 17:43
0/8
2019-10-12 14:55
#309
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Japan hirohito 
+1, reds ranging from pink to ultimate communists are definately the best!
2019-10-12 17:43
#40
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Australia csRIOTgo 
Huh? I thought Jokowi wins the election and already inaugurated?
2019-10-12 02:35
#41
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United States PsychoLogical 
those old german lands shouldve stayed german :d
2019-10-12 02:36
Is there any nazi party in Poland or just racist
2019-10-12 02:42
#65
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
Not really, I don't think, but a Polish MEP did a Nazi salute to imply that the European Union was like the Third Reich
2019-10-12 12:01
#75
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Poland sh0tdown 
It was Korwin Mikke(Konfederacja) he said literly 3y later that hitler did nothing wrong in tv that theres no proof
2019-10-12 12:06
#80
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
I didn't know that, but I was talking about the 'Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein ticket' + a Nazi salute in protest to the EU-wide transport ticket politico.eu/article/european-parliament-..
2019-10-12 12:09
#82
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Poland sh0tdown 
thats his norma i can show u what he did in english now look youtube.com/watch?v=F7AHvILMcSI&t=366s
2019-10-12 12:10
#306
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Japan hirohito 
and that means hes a nazi? that was obviously to show that eu ideology is nazist...
2019-10-12 17:42
#312
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
No shit, really? Fucking obviously, not that I agree.
2019-10-12 17:45
#314
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Japan hirohito 
that's good, just said that to be clear, cuz i believe mr shotdown doesn't know that:)))))))
2019-10-12 17:46
#305
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Japan hirohito 
"that hitler did nothing wrong" he didn't say that "theres no proof" there isn't. also, he said, that he believes he did know, but who cares right?
2019-10-12 17:41
#76
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Poland sh0tdown 
Also he s anti feminism he says that womans are less inteligent but much more smarter + he said that hitler was liberal XD cuz he allowed u to open in 2 days restaurant and a low taxes
2019-10-12 12:07
#81
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
lmao I heard about the woman thing, but not the liberal thing rofl
2019-10-12 12:09
#85
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Poland sh0tdown 
but i think its better to vote on him than on a fucking pis cuz he wants to lower taxes he wants to have low price of oil he wants to fuck lgbt xD he wants to embrace healthcare he did said it
2019-10-12 12:11
No one in Poland is racist because there are no blacks
2019-10-12 12:35
#302
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Europe loonek4 
It's technically against constitution
2019-10-12 17:34
#304
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Japan hirohito 
No, but there are communist parties, like the lewica (left) coalition, from which candidates the Communist Party of Poland (or Razem, which has a de facto communist program). Yes, communist parties are illegal.
2019-10-12 17:39
#46
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Norway niwek134432 
Only Konfederacja! KORWIN MIKKE!
2019-10-12 03:00
Poland. back to the day of Stalin and soviet thinking.. Sad they want to turn back thinking and development. Why ever choose to have free wil and fredome taking away from you. It might be more stupid than Brexit. so in that way I guess its a new high..
2019-10-12 03:16
tbh brexit is an even more stupid idea, at least from poland i can understand these knee jerk reactions to the inevitable progress of globalization, but the fucking english, they started this process hundreds of years ago and now they want to isolate themselves on that island? lol.
2019-10-12 13:14
Both are beyond stupid.. Both lead by lies and false facts. both will bring destruction and economic ruin... But where EU have problems. and thus people cant if they know very little think its better to run. that well for people that know little can happen. When they dont think of the larger picture. and the same problems is local also. but its easier to blame the bigger outside. and it will leave them lower of what they could have had and so on. But in Poland they actually choose to not only make a soviet state. with no free media and human rights and such... they choose to do like Uganda. beating and fighting gay things from the goverment. spreading lies through goverment news in ways Trump could learn from and such. its just so .. middleage thinking that no matter how little you know that should make sense to more than 50%.. And that is my meaning.. Bexit is braindead. and the brittish people will suffer from it. they will not get a better life. Same in Poland.. Sadly today people have a power. but must dont deserve it because they dont have the information to use it. and thus is easily led by lies and fear. And fear always sell better.. if you want to gain power or something, or even sell something it will always gain more support if you use fear because more fall for it because that is sadly human nature. But well.. both beyond stupid. both destructive.
2019-10-12 13:28
the power of propaganda
2019-10-12 13:30
Power of fear and lies. have been used for 1000 of years. yet humans never learn from it. Believe they know but never seek the information to know. Humans are the most intelligent animal on earth.. Yet the most stupid thing alive.
2019-10-12 13:55
hey, most ppls brains are not designed for this shit. we cant all be autistic and have hltv accounts.
2019-10-12 14:01
Well.. since most of the hltv user is among those creating the problems.. so the less the better..
2019-10-12 14:23
ppl here seem to be much more interested in politics than the average person.
2019-10-12 14:23
Nah not really most is just stupidity, and bait. wrong false and hate. there is no interest because most have no clue.
2019-10-12 14:58
still better than the other 99% of the population
2019-10-12 14:58
No. saying wrong things. not knowing things. spreading lies. and talking about things one know nothing about is the worst. Way better to say nothing if you know nothing. if you know nothing and talk about things its the worst. And on this site. people say everything while knowing nothing. and making claims based on things they have not looked into.
2019-10-12 15:29
people who know nothing about politics and dont vote are a problem because that means they are not being represented and politics being less representative is bad for the whole country. people who know nothing about politics and vote do not vote for people who represent them and politics being less representative is bad for the whole country. people on this site are at least creating an opportunity for themselves to learn more about politics.
2019-10-12 15:32
#50
fer | 
Brazil _Awper 
I voted for Geralt of Rivia
2019-10-12 03:18
#59
JD | 
Poland PanArek 
Xaxaxa
2019-10-12 11:55
Dickus in the anus is my conclusion. Netenjahu wins whatever.
2019-10-12 11:48
poland christians lmao they still brainwashed by arab fairy tales from middle east
2019-10-12 12:03
#70
2019-10-12 12:04
thank you poland for being the laughing stock of EU
2019-10-12 12:00
+1
2019-10-12 12:05
Shame that PiS took control over TVP (most popular television) and their propaganda gives them votes. TVP are watching mostly ppl in age (40-80) and thats the most of our population cuz young ppl leave country. We have 3 big TV Canals with news. If you compare all of them to each other is like news from 2 different countries. Its all about TVP propaganda
2019-10-12 12:05
#78
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Poland sh0tdown 
Its not true most of people dont know what they are voting for yesterday i explained my grandma how the voting works and how does political parties work and she changed her views from pis to PSL the reason why people's vote on some shit parties cuz they have no political knowledge
2019-10-12 12:08
Its hard to have knowledge when most ppl watch Wiadomosci every day 19:30 on TVP and every single day is about: PiS is great, other is colaborating against PiS. Watch yesterday news for example. Compare Fakty from TVN, Wydarzenia from Polsat and Wiadomosci from TVP - its fucking propaganda.
2019-10-12 12:13
#87
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Poland sh0tdown 
It s not true as i said this TVP is bullshit people dont watch TVN but read newspapers only a grandmas that have tvp can do it
2019-10-12 12:12
#361
TaZ | 
Poland Czeczen 
acting like any TV news in poland are not biased and its just tvp xDDDDDD
2019-10-12 20:07
#118
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Poland misterr_ 
Bro u have 10 IQ if u told her to vote on PSL. Ever heard of ZSL? PZPR? It's the same shit, but changed name to PSL.
2019-10-12 12:49
#135
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Poland sh0tdown 
I didnt told her to vote for PSL i just tested her what she thinks what are her ideals to vote im not to tell her what does she likes. overall im for Konfederacja
2019-10-12 13:20
#84
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Macedonia smh_my_head 
wow thats actually sad that so many young people leave your country
2019-10-12 12:11
#89
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Poland sh0tdown 
dont worry there ll be better the old dies new reborns also there are some smart grandmas/grandpas that want to change poland
2019-10-12 12:14
#90
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Macedonia smh_my_head 
your population will decline if young people leave your country
2019-10-12 12:15
they only leave to work abroad and make more money, most polish ppl in my country plan to go back eventually
2019-10-12 13:12
90% of old people vote for PiS, Poland is a lost cause for next years
2019-10-12 12:33
At least Poland doesn't have a Mafia boss as their PM
2019-10-12 12:18
But we have a guy who bribe people with their own money but Poles obviously too stupid to see that. Whole Europe's doomed anyway
2019-10-12 12:32
Same shit happens here. Probably everywhere in Eastern Europe
2019-10-12 12:41
Life is meaningless indeed
2019-10-12 22:21
#102
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Ivory Coast luros 
RIP bulgaria
2019-10-12 12:32
+111 so true
2019-10-12 13:31
#303
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Japan hirohito 
bruh Polish PM is so goddamn braindead (economy-wise at least) we call him MAOwiecki
2019-10-12 17:34
#103
Szohn | 
Nepal Nepali 
Cool, good for them. It will be nice for the Poles. Hopefully, Poles will focus on producing national products and actually buying them.
2019-10-12 12:33
2019-10-12 12:33
#301
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Japan hirohito 
tanczy sobie krabik
2019-10-12 17:32
Who cars?
2019-10-12 12:34
polish gov = mafia
2019-10-12 12:42
So people in poland demonstrate against gouverment, but they'll still get like 50% votes?
2019-10-12 12:48
#123
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Poland Hanse 
Most of these votes come from old people that are already brainwashed OR lower class that gets some profits from em'. It's basicaly buying votes with their own money.
2019-10-12 12:59
But especiaally these generations should know, what a right winged gouverment is able to do. I really don't get it, but it's like everywhere old people destroying the future with their back minded opinions.
2019-10-12 13:09
PIS is not right wing
2019-10-12 13:51
#297
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Japan hirohito 
+1 nor is nazism, but you won't be teached that in censored german schools
2019-10-12 17:31
Well, the worst thing is that it doesnt just come from old people, they have 50% in people aged 18-25
2019-10-12 13:50
Say what. lol so youth likes to f*ck theirselfs?
2019-10-13 11:44
90% of the population has no knowledge of economy :)
2019-10-13 13:49
I mean economy is not everything, but populist know how to install "great" ideas to keep the workers still and "happy"
2019-10-13 15:37
#149
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Poland Julka 
Poles are known from complaining about everything. Not like the goverment is doing well, but some people describe the situation much worse than it really is
2019-10-12 13:25
#253
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Poland Hanse 
If you have any knowledge about basics of economy you probably know that situation is quite bad and if they'll win and proceed to establish all the things they want to - this country won't survive 10 years on it's own.
2019-10-12 14:16
#299
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Japan hirohito 
Poland's doing everything exactly like Greece before the stomp
2019-10-12 17:31
#122
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Poland Hanse 
Ok we are cucked boys prepare USA visas
2019-10-12 12:58
oh look the braindead racist nationalist idiots who are destroying rule of law and free press are winning again, what a surprise from such a friendly openminded intelligent succesful country.
2019-10-12 13:11
Sorry but Poland is too small, stable and not important.
2019-10-12 13:12
Nt 3rd world country
2019-10-12 13:23
nt Pole in exile
2019-10-12 13:29
Nt african
2019-10-12 13:39
#295
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Japan hirohito 
STABLE woah
2019-10-12 17:29
good mens Poxit
2019-10-12 13:16
#141
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Poland sh0tdown 
Polexit XD Dutchxit GermaniX Francix Austrix Spanix Irlandix Baltix Hungarix Czechix Slovakix Slovenix Croatix Cyprix Maltix Icelandix Greenlandix Denmarkx
2019-10-12 13:21
finxit
2019-10-12 13:23
Nexit*
2019-10-12 13:53
Good Based and redpilled
2019-10-12 13:23
PIS is not redpilled they are religious socialists
2019-10-12 13:49
#294
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Japan hirohito 
>religious >socialists pick one
2019-10-12 17:28
#379
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Japan hirohito 
me know mens, i just don't agree since socialism is in conflict with the ideas of christianity:)) i just hate this naming
2019-10-12 22:05
#300
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Europe loonek4 
They're natinalists not socialists
2019-10-12 17:31
#333
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Japan hirohito 
*israeli nationalists, definately not polish ones
2019-10-12 18:07
Who 🚗🚗🚗? Germans I guess
2019-10-12 13:36
if KO wins, they do
2019-10-12 15:52
why is the graph made to look like the lgbt flag?
2019-10-12 13:44
to trigger polaks
2019-10-12 15:34
ez for konfederacja
2019-10-12 13:52
ez for PiS... keep europe safe!
2019-10-12 13:57
#331
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Japan hirohito 
if you mean from refugees, pis is taking both - ukrainian refugees and muslim immigrants
2019-10-12 18:06
only those who need help, not economic migrants... how many terrorist attacks were in poland compared to france or germany in last 4 years? poland 0, france and germany a lot.
2019-10-12 18:32
+1. As well we have muslims in Poland, but there IS a difference. A continuous presence of Islam in Poland began in the 14th century. From this time it was primarily associated with the Lipka Tatars, many of whom settled in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth while continuing their traditions and religious beliefs... The first significant non-Tatar groups of Muslims arrived in Poland in the 1970s, though they are a very small minority. And yet those were muslims that created some crime problems. As for middle east muslims e.g. from Syria. Please no.... No wahhabi muslims and no salafi muslims here in Poland ! They ARE only problems, not much else... Important: There's an ongoing conflict between Polish native Sunni Muslim Lipka Tatars, who have a unique approach towards Islam and have been living in Poland for 600 years, and an increasingly vocal group of mainly foreign-born and foreign-sponsored, but also native-born convert, group of Sunni Muslims who adhere to Wahhabi movement. The conflict divides country's Sunni Muslims and causes bureaucratic confusion, as both sides lay claim to representation of country's Sunni Muslims. The "native born" Sunni Muslims (Lipka Tatars), run Muzułmański Związek Religijny w Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej (Muslim Religious Union in the Polish Republic), and "foreign born" Sunni Muslims run Liga Muzułmańska w Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej (Muslim League in the Polish Republic). The latter is mainly based upon foreigners living in the country, such as Arabs, Bengalis, Chechens etc. Liga Muzułmańska is also a branch of a worldwide Muslim Brotherhood organization.
2019-10-13 13:19
#248
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Turkey Tormund1 
Who cars
2019-10-12 14:08
kurds cars
2019-10-12 15:52
#249
Aleksib | 
Europe samje 
This is not good imo. I respect science, education, positivity, secularism, humanism and liberal values.
2019-10-12 14:12
ppl believe in democracy in 2019, not even kek.
2019-10-12 14:20
Doesn't matter who wins, we're fucked anyways.
2019-10-12 15:39
LUL
2019-10-12 17:07
#293
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Japan hirohito 
yeah thats a reliable source, lgbt propaganda twitter
2019-10-12 17:25
reported for breaking the electoral silence u gonna get from $125k to $250k penalty for sharing things like these during the silence ezezeze
2019-10-12 17:29
#298
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Finland ToxicDUD 
so which party is which
2019-10-12 17:31
#324
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Poland J__ac_pis 
so PIS is consevative socialists party KO is european socialists party SLD is rainbow socialists party PSL is... actualy i dont know how to describe them but i'm 100% sure that they will form coalition with winning party no matters who will win Konfederacja is coalition of connservative liberals, nationalists, monarchists and even libertarians lul
2019-10-12 18:01
#326
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Finland ToxicDUD 
wait... how can you be conservative and socialist?
2019-10-12 18:01
#330
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Japan hirohito 
that's everywhere - germany, poland - that's called "christian" democracy
2019-10-12 18:04
#337
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Finland ToxicDUD 
yikes so nobody learned the commandments 6,9 and 10
2019-10-12 18:13
#335
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Poland J__ac_pis 
well its very simple conservative in terms of worldoutlook and socialists in terms of economy. This is how Janusz Korwin-Mikke describe them: ''communists with a cross in their teeth''
2019-10-12 18:07
#336
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Finland ToxicDUD 
yikes so nobody learned the commandments 6,9 and 10
2019-10-12 18:11
#320
emilio | 
Poland esyi 
73.2% of country with iq smaller than avg of zimbabwe no hope for this communist country, only voting for parties that has been destroying country for 20 years
2019-10-12 17:56
#325
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Poland J__ac_pis 
+1
2019-10-12 18:00
#328
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Japan hirohito 
*95% :)
2019-10-12 18:03
#348
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Oceania Rusuli 
worldpopulationreview.com/countries/aver.. Poland 99 Zimbabwe 82 It's closer to 10-15% mate. Similar to the Lewica percentage, incidentally.
2019-10-12 19:46
It can't be an accident.
2019-10-13 01:15
#364
TaZ | 
Poland Czeczen 
poles in this thread are so blind, using biaxial arrangement in 2019 xddddddddddd u cant just call pis right wing or leftwing, they are centre/left leaning in economy and rightwing in overall politics, but hey pis are literally communists and konfa are nazis :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-12 20:11
#420
NEO | 
Poland Trausky 
You are right about PIS but Sam jesteś nazistą cwelu zakłamany
2019-10-13 13:29
#423
TaZ | 
Poland Czeczen 
jestes spierdolonym 80 iq polskim podludziem, ja sie nasmiewam z ludzi co mysla ze pis to komunisci a konfa to nazisci wiec ty sie zaliczasz do nich XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-13 14:06
#426
NEO | 
Poland Trausky 
z kim ja rozmawiam, z jakiś jebanym dzieckiem z pryszczami na ryju
2019-10-13 14:35
#427
TaZ | 
Poland Czeczen 
typie rozjebalbym cie jednym hitem manlecie pierdolony co pewnie caly dzien przed komputerem siedzisz idz tam na konfe glosowac a no tak nie masz pewnie jeszcze 18 lat XDDDD
2019-10-13 14:57
#371
fnx | 
Poland neverbait 
500+ = patologia matki pijane itd
2019-10-12 21:19
lol. No.
2019-10-13 13:12
#374
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Poland GamBitF4N 
Janusz KOrwin Mikke - DESTROY EU !
2019-10-12 21:27
#406
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Oceania Rusuli 
+1 Greatest politician of our age Which party is he from?
2019-10-13 04:46
#414
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Poland MapPredictor 
Konfederacja
2019-10-13 13:18
#391
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Poland zmija9 
jebac platforme obywatelska
2019-10-12 22:58
#392
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Bulgaria goatse 
right winning sounds right gj poland
2019-10-12 23:00
Poland is new Nazi land? Could happen.
2019-10-12 23:03
rip poland
2019-10-13 13:13
#415
NEO | 
Poland OmgBRS 
walking dead talking ?
2019-10-13 13:19
why/ riP?
2019-10-13 21:29
pis won
2019-10-13 21:31
Are you talking about PIS?
2019-10-13 21:31
yes
2019-10-13 21:31
For me Pis doing great job in Poland idk why people hate them
2019-10-13 21:32
Many immigrants destroying the budget of the countr by giving away money(500+) etc liars jewish puppets
2019-10-13 21:33
Immigrants (ukraine people comes for job) they aren't dangerous 500+ don't care free money for family Liars? idk I don't give a fuck about jew
2019-10-13 21:35
not only ukrainians but also bangladeshi indians pakistanis etc
2019-10-13 21:36
Didn't saw single pakistanis in Poland same as Indians ofc in my city
2019-10-13 21:37
I see tchem quite often when im in wroclaw
2019-10-13 21:38
Ye im not from Wroclaw ;p
2019-10-13 21:39
#434
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Poland FitPolak 
For grey mass for sure
2019-10-13 21:32
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