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-stewie2k +Brehze and liquid will be back up
friberg | 
United States munkE_pOo 
So if Liquid want to stop messing around, they should remove stewie2k and buyout brehze. All the struggle of making it to the top and then falling off the face of the earth in their recent results is a bit grueling. EG is being carried and Brehze can't keep it up forever. Make the switch and win more games.
2019-10-12 16:16
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#1
NAF | 
United States skzl_ 
mmm maybe mOE better?
2019-10-12 16:36
anybody would be better than snake2k
2019-10-12 16:38
oddly enough, I halfway agree.
2019-10-12 16:39
#9
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United States Azuhh 
#8
2019-10-12 16:43
+1
2019-10-12 17:15
#43
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
minim0e >>>>
2019-10-13 17:43
-naf -stewies +m03 +m1n1m03
2019-10-13 18:21
#82
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United States Hubterbean 
+Shroud
2019-10-13 23:02
+OCEAN EZ FIX
2019-10-12 16:37
#5
finebomj | 
Other KyLu4k 
+1
2019-10-12 16:40
#6
Petra | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Why would breehze downgrade
2019-10-12 16:41
Watch your words boy. :D We both know EG is not going to sustain. Liquid has the ability and can if they make the change.
2019-10-12 16:42
just the opposite
2019-10-13 17:51
#91
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Denmark bebm 
looks like u IQ is lower than thorins Liquid have 3 proven superstars and a proved good IGL fragger EG has 0 proven superstars, 1 current superstar that we dont know if he will keep his form 1 star that is inconsistent (ethan) another star that is histocically shit in playoffs (cerq) a solid rifler also inconsistent (tarik) and an IGL that has had many ups and downs (stan)
2019-10-14 03:53
Expected from salty Dane, doesn’t actually watch any EG games.
2019-10-15 01:33
#109
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Denmark bebm 
Excepted from budget australia thinks that 1 event win and like 2 months of being a top 3 team = every on the team is proven
2019-10-15 01:34
DANISH EDUCATION LULW Display flag AustraliaAustralia Also NRG with daps were top 5 for months?
2019-10-15 01:38
#111
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Denmark bebm 
AUSTRALIAN EDUCATION LOL where danish flag??? also getting top 5 for 1-2 weeks then dropping out =/= top 5 for months
2019-10-15 01:40
#8
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United States Azuhh 
another -stewie thread again. they are never going to replace anyone one on the team. Stewie gave liquid the mentality and confidence they needed. notice how stewie shouts every now and then? its because he wants his team to get hyped. plus nitr0s calling was significantly better when stewie joined (stew helps nitr0 to igl mid round), You are prob saying this because of stewies bad stats, stewie is like the karrigan of na, bad stats but great contribution, stewie ensures that he is making space for his team to make plays, thus why he has bad stats
2019-10-12 16:43
Of course part of it is his stats. I'll give you credit regarding the hype and potentially mid game IGL. But Elige can manage that. Stewie is just so inconsistent. He is most consistent with awp flicks which isn't necessary on liquid. We saw on MIBR that Stewie wasn't able to help much. I just see Brehze as more of a fit than Stewie.
2019-10-12 16:47
#11
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United States Azuhh 
brehze cant make space for his team, it would clash with whos going to be a star player, look at faze all the starplayer but noone to make space.
2019-10-12 17:00
I'm not so sure of that. Maybe I'm thinking to much in the moment, but the way Brehze has been playing the last 6-12 months tells me he could make the space. Good point regarding Faze.
2019-10-12 17:47
#83
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United States Hubterbean 
hltv.org/stats/players/8797/Stewie2K hltv.org/stats/players/8520/NAF Naf more likely gone less impact supposed to be star but inconsistent +breeze can fill gaps left because they are similar players stewie is the most underrated player in the game what he does for liquid is one of a kind
2019-10-13 23:11
Faze's issue wasn't having too many stars, it was investing in a number of stars past their prime (olof, guardian, etc.) and expecting it to pay dividends. Not that said players were bad, but they weren't the same players they had been 2 years prior.
2019-10-12 17:51
hltv.org/matches/2318632/faze-vs-cloud9-.. Yes, such nice to have choko in your team, he is what you explain.
2019-10-13 17:44
I've said in previous posts that Niko had issues in big games, but until recently he was still typically a higher performer than, say, olof.
2019-10-13 20:49
Guardian wasn't past his prime at all...
2019-10-13 17:54
He has been consistently ok, but not amazing, in Faze. He wasn't the player that used to carry Navi, and hasn't been for a while.
2019-10-13 20:47
He lost motivation in navi and was average. His performance skyrocketed right after and he was top20 and to10 player 2 years straight... I get your point but he was nowhere near past his prime
2019-10-13 20:59
I mean, look, Guardian was a better pick than Olof to me. And I think he's a good player, but his biggest contribution was typically consistency. He never really felt consistent to me when it came to Faze, which is generally why I said past his prime.
2019-10-13 21:06
past his prime and consistency are 2 completely different things...also if you look at his performance in numbers, he was consistent AF when he joined faze. his form started to be inconsistent in times when faze as a team was inconsistent(which is imo understandale for awpers and entry fraggers). but still...past hi prime in case of guardian is really nonsense
2019-10-14 02:11
He wasn't really that consistent though. It appeared that way, but a lot of the time he'd have a big game and then follow it with a relatively quiet game. It was sort of up and down with tournaments, too. Consistency and prime are correlative, if you stop being consistent when your entire hallmark is that aspect of your play, then technically you are passing your prime.
2019-10-14 03:44
"make space for team" This is repeated way too much. People just say this because they have nothing good to say about stewie, he's just bad. Giving him a $4750 weapon just to whiff and die doesn't seem like giving the team room.
2019-10-14 04:26
+1 idiots They think that players will just stay as good when they switch teams and roles, but they don't. This change would definitely ruin one of Liquid's stars or Brehze himself, which would be terrible.
2019-10-12 17:09
#13
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India FosFate 
+1
2019-10-12 17:11
#33
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North America daesoulae 
+1 this shits all been said before, idk why people keep looking at the stats and thinking "hurrdurr he doesnt make enough killing so he is le trash" some people are stupid look at lucky, hes not actually bad at cs. he just had to play the bitch roles
2019-10-13 04:34
people overreact anyways, his stats arent even bad, they are just not as amazing as elige's or twists ... his stats are about average, there is no reason to hate him tbh
2019-10-13 04:36
stew doesnt do any igling whatsoever
2019-10-13 04:52
#69
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United States Azuhh 
he does as said on the interview he helps nitr0 to call mid round (if you can recall stewie was an igl in c9 for a while before tarik and rush joined')
2019-10-13 18:30
+1 well said
2019-10-13 17:45
#49
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Russia ZippSluvik 
"never going to replace anyone one on the team" "stewie is like the karrigan of na" laugh of the day thx mate
2019-10-13 17:46
#62
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Belgium therealV1c 
I hate to say it but if stewie isn't gonna step up his game in the following months ima start supporting the -stewie threads +brehze would be amazing imo if it doesn't work out
2019-10-13 17:57
+9999999999
2019-10-13 18:03
#95
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United States Scvboy1 
Stewie is too up and down. When he's how, Liquid are easily 1#, when him and naf are off, then they're probably not even top 5.
2019-10-14 04:41
#98
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Denmark Kon10R 
People tend to forget WHAT roster change brought Liquid to the top: With Taco in 2018 they were aaaalways number #2 ... By adding Stewie in January they actually DID MANAGE to take down the Kings of Counter Strike. Astralis went into a slump, but now they found some of the magic again. Now Liquid is taking a breather, but for 1 and a half year we've had Astralis and Liquid as THE TWO most consistent teams on top of everyone else. I hope to see Liquid back in form, but PLEEEEZZZ stop this "roster babble" just because you lose a few games. GO LIQUID: The ONLY REAL challenge to Astralis!
2019-10-14 04:51
#103
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United States Azuhh 
+1 unexpected but navi could be a contender
2019-10-14 19:50
#107
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Denmark Kon10R 
You are absolutely right! EG, Fnatic, Vitality ... As you mention: NaVi. Mousesports may not have peaked yet, and Lord knows if Faze make it work ... Exciting times ahead, Gentlemens! ;O)
2019-10-15 01:20
stewie joining didn't put astralis into a slump, astralis skipping a bunch of big events so they could play blasts got them into a slump
2019-10-14 19:54
#106
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Denmark Kon10R 
Let me refrase that: By adding Stewie, Liquid actually DID take over the number #1 spot after having been number #2 for a year. THEN Astralis went into a slump, which - of course - Stewie had nothing to do with. I'm just saying, that adding Stewie was "the last piece in the puzzle" to create a team that could ACTUALLY pick up the challenge against and/or match/beat the Danish juggernauts. Regarding the Blast thing: I don't think that was the reason. Now they went separate ways anyway, but it seems that they needed a breather. Apparently it payed off to some degree. They may not be as dominant as in 2018: We will NEVER see a team like that ever again! I can't imagine any player or coach who didn't study them seriously, so they set the bar for everyone else ... and now everyone else caught up! It's tough at the moment, right?! Everybody can beat everybody at top 25 or so!
2019-10-15 01:14
remove player because you dislike them
2019-10-12 17:14
Nah, I like Stewie. I just don't think he is the right fit long-term. I will admit it helped them reach the top for a small stint though.
2019-10-12 17:48
Only until the krieg gets nerfed lmao
2019-10-12 17:15
Nice! one more with a brain. Many will be weaken be the nerf tho, but SG vs ak/m4/aug 1v1, SG always win even when shoot same time.
2019-10-13 17:46
#17
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Indonesia lukerey 
i cant see brehze leave EG anytime soon. they should just buy wardell, and let nitro back to rifler/secondary awper.
2019-10-12 17:19
yeah, let's just remove the entry fragger and put in another refragger, now no one shall go in first to create space for the star players :D
2019-10-12 17:23
Their stats don't show a whole lot of difference between them in entry frag percentage. Stewie is slightly better but I wouldn't say it's marginal. Also consider that Brehze has consistently been improving over the last year.
2019-10-12 17:44
#29
ropz | 
Europe redtzy 
being star player doesnt mean you cant be entry
2019-10-12 17:53
yeah but would you rather have the star player doing his best work or let him have a 60% chance of dying first?
2019-10-13 04:30
#19
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India TheSuspect812 
why will Brehze downgrade?
2019-10-12 17:26
I dunno. EG still just seems so shaky. They are new so I'll give them that. Maybe it'll just take more time but all the players in EG have shown to be inconsistent over time. Brehze has been for the most part very consistent or improving over the last year.
2019-10-12 17:49
eg>tl
2019-10-12 17:28
Since adding stan and Tarik yes. TL has been extremely out of character in their play since the player break though.
2019-10-12 17:46
Not even close, last few events does not makes a team better. Seen one event when EG played like bots as well.
2019-10-13 17:47
#21
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Not worth it for Brehze to leave and probably kill NRG. Maybe that will be the move in the future but it should be fine as it is now
2019-10-12 17:31
#22
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Switzerland x676 
+1
2019-10-12 17:32
nice fix, destroy both of the best teams NA ever had...
2019-10-12 18:03
Nah, not really. I think you are exaggerating a bit mate.
2019-10-12 19:52
#34
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North America daesoulae 
brehze wont downgrade, and the issue with stews stats has already been explained NUMEROUS times
2019-10-13 04:35
stewies stats explained: he sucks
2019-10-13 04:53
#42
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North America daesoulae 
#8
2019-10-13 17:42
Idk wtf is up with EG but they showed their potential at NY so it's best they stay together. Replace Stew with Auti instead
2019-10-13 04:45
Ah yes -entry fragger/secondary IGL/secondary awper +rifler
2019-10-13 04:46
#66
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
Lulw, stew is really abd at igl
2019-10-13 18:06
1 Intel grand slam and 1 major, so ez.
2019-10-14 00:22
#86
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
did you even read my comment? "Lulw, stew is really abd at igl" those things you said to me doesnt prıove that he is good at igl. he got lead by tarik in eleuge and nitr0
2019-10-14 00:24
I never said he's IGL, I said he's secondary IGL and he's good at it.
2019-10-15 04:02
I'm curious what people want from Stew. He gets the entry pretty frequently, but Twistzz seems to have no impact lately and Naf seems to have very little. Elige and Stew are only ones getting real impact frags. The real issue is everyone's gotten used to Liquid's playstyle and nitr0 hasn't bothered to update their extremely basic strats. Kicking Stew would legitimately knock them out of the top 5.
2019-10-13 04:55
#76
Norway k1x_ 
nah naf was decent, elige is god like most of the time he barely makes any mistakes, nitro is a on and off player like twistz, the huge problem with stewie is he does some major mistakes at holding bombsites by eiter playing to aggressive and dying putting his team into 4v5 right at the start of the round, giving the enemy plenty of options. and he is been struggling to get any frag, yea time to time he plays like a monster but he is really incosistent and for sure currently the most incosistent of team liquid if you compare them all individually. but im not saying stewie is the only problem, it seems really complicated there, but people on hltv are tending to find the issue by looking at players individually. yes thats also a factor but just one of many other factors.
2019-10-13 21:17
Stew definitely doesn't seem like he's as good as he was during Liquid's best few months, but he's still pretty good. Tbh I think Twistzz is starting to turn into a problem, he plays a Coldzera type role and gets set up a lot, but doesn't show a lot for it.
2019-10-14 19:29
#41
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France Nairelav 
Liquid's problem isnt only about stewie, they are all underperforming compare to what they did before player break
2019-10-13 04:56
+1
2019-10-13 17:44
+1
2019-10-13 17:44
stfu
2019-10-13 17:47
+1 All must just be slacking off, so bad form after break compared to others.
2019-10-13 17:50
OMEGALUL
2019-10-13 17:44
+1
2019-10-13 17:46
pretty sure brehze wouldn't leave.
2019-10-13 17:48
#55
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Armenia gr1nch 
why should brehze join liquid?
2019-10-13 17:49
EG is not being carried lmao. Every single player there is a good fragger and smart individual
2019-10-13 17:49
peanut brain, cmonBruh!
2019-10-13 17:51
Peanut brain who IG-led C9 into a major victory
2019-10-13 17:52
skaDADDY carry final! ez for the first NA player to ever be GREAT internationally
2019-10-13 18:04
tarik major mvp
2019-10-13 18:24
funny, stewie has a major already, faced every challenge possible in his carreer and dont choke in any situation, but you kids LULquid fans want to kick him, and keep the chokers, thinking that he is the problem cuz his rating sucks lol thats why NACS is trash stewie is a fucking legend, these cry babys like twistzz, nitro and elige dont get SHIT next to stewie in carreer terms, kick the chokers, not the fearless NA player ever
2019-10-13 18:06
#73
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North America daesoulae 
how does stewie's dick taste?
2019-10-13 21:04
just stating facts here, never seem stewie bitch about stuff or acting retarded, or choking, which is liquids problem for years if u NA kids want to kick stewie its actually better for me, better chance that if a br team gets to fight for the top, liquid will keep choking and will be easier xd it doesnt count if those liquid players are soo better than stewie, if they shake of fear when it matters =D
2019-10-13 21:28
Brazil team fighting for the top. Wicked story bro.
2019-10-13 21:43
BR got into the scene in 2015, NA is in the scene since the beggining BR titles with 2 teams > whole NA scene together, doesnt matter the country OMEGALUL nt
2019-10-13 22:50
Lul. Youre like my wife, dragging up the past. Were talkin' now. BR irrelevant
2019-10-14 19:54
this is actually not a bad idea, stewie is the worst player and breeze is insane
2019-10-13 21:06
#77
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United States jay_320 
I think they'd be better off with Ethan. He fits the roles better and he has banged out on that NRG team multiple times. He's just not been as good as he was before Tarik/Stan. Obviously you'd like to see NA's best two rifles next to each other but you don't want to kill EG as a team. And after spending 3 million dollars I doubt EG is selling anyway.
2019-10-13 21:22
#79
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Netherlands staticNL 
Liquid won't be able to get Brehze for a long time. He'll be massively expensive.
2019-10-13 21:35
Very true.
2019-10-13 23:11
who takes stewies role?
2019-10-14 02:15
both teams doesnt need any roster changes, classic NA brain u have
2019-10-14 02:23
Na cs fix Have all events in na so crowd can ghost for na teams
2019-10-14 04:03
stewie on EG would be sick
2019-10-14 04:17
#96
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United States Shmikeb0b 
NACS more like NaCl
2019-10-14 04:48
#97
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Italy bennyhana 
Is brehze even all that good? I mean maybe he gets kills but what else can he provide?
2019-10-14 04:48
#100
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United States @FyreCS 
0/8
2019-10-14 06:13
#101
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India pongaman1 
Nothing can change chockquid
2019-10-14 06:17
#112
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Indonesia lukerey 
Trade NAF with ethan. Lets go! Old optic reunite!
2019-10-15 01:44
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