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Is God Real?
Finland Wtf_Ence 
Could god be real? Im not saying that god is real or denying any religion im just trying to figure out how can world start from something. There are multiple explanations but i still dont believe all of this could come from nothing since you cant make something out of nothing. Hltv share your opinion on this. Im not judging and i respect every opinion.
2019-10-15 00:32
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#1
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Poland Lukovsky 
no /closed
2019-10-15 00:33
#2
jdm64 | 
United States Murr 
+1
2019-10-15 00:33
+1
2019-10-15 03:34
#239
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Australia flashi 
+1
2019-10-15 13:21
+1
2019-10-15 13:33
+1
2019-10-15 15:44
#313
BnTeT | 
Cyprus shmoe 
+1
2019-10-15 17:22
#398
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Bulgaria No_1One 
+1
2019-10-16 14:09
you really didn't open up your opinion so im gonna say everything checks out
2019-10-15 00:35
#5
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Poland Lukovsky 
god is real only to people with iq below 90
2019-10-15 00:36
you didnt explain why you think like this? What makes you think only low iq people trust in religions and gods?
2019-10-15 00:37
#63
karrigan | 
North America Jkhes 
Because you'd have to be very gullible to buy into it, and normally dumb people are easier to manipulate. Although religion is a bit different because it's drilled into some people from childhood, but I think any reasonable adult should have at least strong doubts.
2019-10-15 00:58
well what do you believe in then. If you say that god is not a option on how everything was created i would like to hear your opinion. I dont deny the fact that big bang could have actually happened. But i neither deny that god could have created all of this
2019-10-15 00:58
I don't have enough knowledge of the big bang theory to confidently have an opinion. So as of now, I don't have any strong opinions on what started the universe. However, I don't think that it's very likely that the very first thing to exist was an all powerful being. The idea of god is what's known as an "un-falsifiable hypothesis" which is a logical fallacy that says if there's nothing to disprove something exists, or happens in the purported way then it must be true. If you want to make a case for something like god existing you'd have to present evidence of him before you should expect people to believe it, not wait for others to disprove it before you stop believing. Because there's any number of things you could say with no proof which would be impossible to disprove. That doesn't make these ideas valid. For example, I could say the ghost of Elvis lives with me. However, just because nobody can provide evidence that this isn't true doesn't make it a reasonable thing to say. Also what created god? People say he's eternal, but why can't the universe itself just be eternal by the same logic and not have a creator. IDK Ultimately I won't act like I have any answers, and I can see how religion helps people cope with a hard life, and gives them something to look forward to in order to ease the existential dread that comes along with realizing that this life is all that you have. This is especially soothing to people who know this deep down, and realize their life isn't so great. There's also a lot of good people that were just raised around it so it becomes a fact of like to them. For these reasons, I think it's actually pretty stupid to say that religious people are dumb, but I certainly think religion is.
2019-10-15 01:10
I respect your opinion and like i said many times on this topic that no one knows how all this started. I made this topic more to hear what these complete atheists or religious fanatics had to say. I believe everyone should do their research and believe what they think is the right way.
2019-10-15 01:12
Yeah, I'm an atheist and have been since I was a kid, but I also have religious friends/family members and don't judge them for it as long as they're not using it as a justification for hating other people. well tbh I do judge them, but I don't let it influence how I treat them. and what they're like as a person is ultimately more important to me by a longshot
2019-10-15 01:23
why not? they choose to believe things that are either completely unfounded or just plain wrong. just because it makes them feel better. maybe you should take it into consideration when evaluating those peoples mental stability. if they did it in other areas of life, it would be calledi schizophrenic or hallucinatory.
2019-10-15 01:25
You're a posturing pseud. Why try to pass off that you are anything other than an average intellect vacuous drone with a tenuous grasp on intro to philosophy concepts? Anyone that dismisses any possibility of materialism being spurious, in fact anyone that labels them-self an atheist will also unintentionally label themselves as intellectually bankrupt cretin.
2019-10-15 02:06
okay i can attack this needlessly and unfounded insulting post in several ways. easiest way is to just say "lol i must have a hit a soft spot here, you seem pretty mad about my opinion about religion that im totally entitled to have just like you are entitled to your opinion" but that would be very easy. so instead, i will try to read in between all the unnecessarily complicated wording you chose and actually attack your message. >You're a posturing pseud no, you are. >Why try to pass off that you are anything other than an average intellect vacuous drone with a tenuous grasp on intro to philosophy concepts? i am certainly above average in the intellectual department. even at university. my grasp on philosophy is a lot better than tenuous. i actually read books and i have had a philosophy class. the thing is, i simply dont agree with 95% of all philosophy ever written because all that philosophy has the base assumption that god exists and if you remove that assumption, it invalidates every claim that that philosophy makes. Hobbes natural rights are a nice example. remove the god that grants these godgiven natural rights, and the only viable conclusion is that the only rights that exist are the rights that we humans CHOOSE to uphold. Human right. not godgiven rights. those are just the product of wishful or magical thinking. >Anyone that dismisses any possibility of materialism being spurious seriously, my english is better than that of most native speakers and i have no clue what you mean by this sentence. spurious means deceitful, or unreal. i consider materialism, and then specifically utilitarianism, to be very real. >, in fact anyone that labels them-self an atheist will also unintentionally label themselves as intellectually bankrupt cretin. no. in fact anyone who voluntarily labels themselves as religious in this century, intentionally labels themselves as anti intellectual, highly susceptible to peer pressure and group think, and unable to apply the logical operations they learned in school to their personal life. you need to apply logic in order to arrive at valid conclusions, instead of just choosing to believe whatever suits your fancy like a fucking medieval peasant. you have 0 intellectual honesty, and no spine.
2019-10-15 13:09
#250
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Ah, I do so love seeing you debate, either with me or with someone else. Even if I don't always agree with you, your way of using logic to argue your point is very smooth and well thought out. You have my respect my good sir.
2019-10-15 13:30
thanks. thats why i love this website. you can actually be a giant nerd here and argue about useless shit for hours. even if i dont play csgo anymore, it feels like home.
2019-10-15 13:32
#263
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Mate, if this forum feels like home, I'd be pretty worried about your home situation :D
2019-10-15 13:42
dont be worried, im doing great. better every day. i had a bad home situation when i was a kid. books, video games, internet forums, and the national geographic channel, really helped me out a lot to cope with the situation. these days i have a healthy relationship with my parents and brother, and friends i can count on.
2019-10-15 13:49
#269
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Congrats man, these are always good to have, it's a pretty good gounding. I'm leaving for school in a few minutes, so have a good one, yeah?
2019-10-15 13:51
#315
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Albania GreenDog 
>Anyone that dismisses any possibility of materialism being spurious You're smart, but you don't understand basic philosophical sentences. In the modern world, this is normal.
2019-10-15 17:26
okay then please explain what this sentence means. because it surely doesnt mean anything in english.
2019-10-15 17:29
#334
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Albania GreenDog 
Absolutely makes sense. You just don't understand because of the lack of philosophy classes in your life
2019-10-15 17:43
#362
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Poland Lukovsky 
yeah, be a condescending dick instead of just explaining cunt
2019-10-15 18:47
gotta agree with this guy ^
2019-10-15 22:22
i can write an essay about lots of things using only programming terms and other programmers will get it and anyone who isnt a programmer wont. is that smart? no. especially on internet forums. where people from a lot of different countries come together. use simple words ppl can understand. i believe a smart guy once said "if you cant explain it simply, you dont understand it well enough"
2019-10-15 17:31
#190
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Albania Fleeperi 
do you know how our body works everything has its own law and how precise it works... that just cant be coincidence!
2019-10-15 02:05
+1 Isn't it funny that atheists believe in the miracle that nothing created something out of nothing and at the same time they say they don't believe in miracles and ridicule christians for believing in them.
2019-10-15 03:20
so why this miracle took 13 billions years to start ? why god did not create everything we know from the start? big bang its just theory like everything else, no one can really explain.
2019-10-15 03:35
#260
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Nah, people can explain the Big Bang alright, it's just that we still don;t have the whole picture. The whole 'create something out of nothing' is a bit misleading in this case. Basically, in the beginning (we're not sure if this is the first time this happened) all the energy in the universe (not matter at this point) was concentrated into a single point, aka singularity. If you want, check out this video( youtu.be/KFRohPi-1CE ) by UpIsNotJump where he explains the first second of the universe in pretty general terms, you don't need all that much physics knowledge to understand it.
2019-10-15 13:40
that is the thing no one can really explain the whole picture, its just the best guess based on a little piece of information we know, we cant even explain quantum physics , imagine saying we know for sure how the universe was created. dont get me wrong i do believe in the big band theory so far.
2019-10-15 16:33
The problem is religious ppl using it as an argument. "HA! You can't explain the creation of the univers, therefor it most be god" But that's just ridiculous.
2019-10-15 18:09
#386
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Again, we can explain quantum mechanics quite well, it's combining it with classical mechanics that's the problem. We don't know many things for sure but we've got a pretty good guess with the available data so far.
2019-10-16 00:55
so if you can explain quantum mechanics works, please enlighten me why quantum particles stop behaving like waves when observed? i know we can use it, but as far as i know we cant explain why
2019-10-16 04:30
#387
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Albania Fleeperi 
if you are creation of the creator, who are you to ask him where to start things?
2019-10-16 01:30
Atheism is not a religion or a belief system. Who says that atheists believe in the Big Bang-theory? Some certainly do, but that's besides the point. Being an atheist just means that you don't believe in a God. For me, I acknowledge the fact that I don't possess the necessary knowledge or insight in the matter to make a definite judgment about the origins of the universe, but I am thankful that there are incredibly intelligent scientists out there willing to try to figure it out. The Big Bang theory is the best theory so far, so it is certainly more logical to subscribe to the idea of that being accurate rather than the existence of some God.
2019-10-15 17:12
Well, it isn`t coincidence. You know darwins theory that the strongest survive? Well that can be applied here also. The animals that could survive best a long time ago, are of course the ones that survived and passed their genes on. Then we can countinue by the fact that genes aren´t set in stone, the DNA changes by i think 60% if you maybe work in a farm, or something else like in harsh environments. So by that, the apes, then the earlier homo sapiens, evolved into us, the animal which can survive the winter, diseases (to a degree). Luckily, we have got the lucky ticket in life. We aren´t special animals, we are just the best evolved. Thats why we survived. **TL;DR** We survived because we were best suited for evolution.
2019-10-15 19:53
#219
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United Kingdom 4Matt83 
"Also what created god? People say he's eternal, but why can't the universe itself just be eternal by the same logic and not have a creator." What if God=The Universe?
2019-10-15 03:28
#296
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Sweden frozze90 
care to elaborate?
2019-10-15 17:02
pantheism
2019-10-15 17:19
#216
tarik | 
Brazil GuGa62 
Catolicism: ideology followed by people unable to solve their problems by themselves and believe in a God who can protect them from their own mistakes
2019-10-15 03:22
#240
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Australia flashi 
god is real only to people with iq -6969
2019-10-15 13:22
#319
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Albania GreenDog 
Say it to Noble prize winners
2019-10-15 17:30
#345
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Netherlands n0b8m8 
Noble prize winners do not necessarily have to be intelligent. Some can be won by bravery and "heroic deeds".
2019-10-15 17:59
#348
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Albania GreenDog 
Not in such discipline as physics.
2019-10-15 18:07
#125
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United States NotASmurph 
/open You’re wrong /closed
2019-10-15 01:15
are u jew ?
2019-10-15 01:31
#167
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Poland Lukovsky 
nt prodka
2019-10-15 01:35
PL trahs told me prodka xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-15 01:39
2019-10-15 01:42
#173
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
+1
2019-10-15 01:37
+1
2019-10-15 14:30
#312
BnTeT | 
Cyprus shmoe 
+1
2019-10-15 17:21
#356
koosta | 
United States yghj 
+1
2019-10-15 18:31
#358
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Ukraine zCainee 
+1
2019-10-15 18:42
He could be, but Probably not. A Flying Spaghetti monster s COULD exist, but it is incredibly unlikely in the absence of proof.
2019-10-15 00:35
yeah but this same can be said about every theory scientist offer for the start of universe. A flying spaghetti monster could be the start of all of this
2019-10-15 00:36
Difference is there is evidence that suggests the big bang is a thing, while there is no real evidence that suggests god exists
2019-10-15 00:41
there is no evidence that can confirm big bang or god existed.
2019-10-15 00:43
Of course you can't confirm it, but there is evidence for it existing, which means it's likely that it did Truth is, no one knows for sure if god exists or not, but imo I think it's more likely that God doesn't exist
2019-10-15 00:47
there is evidence in background radiation that the universe at some point soon after its inception underwent very rapid expansion. in other words, big bang confirmed.
2019-10-15 01:14
yes and what started all of this? You see theres not a single explanation that makes perfect sense
2019-10-15 01:15
yes BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW
2019-10-15 01:16
thats what i have been saying and you pretty much try to bash the existence of a possible way?
2019-10-15 01:16
i try to bash you for cherrypicking this one way for emotional reasons.
2019-10-15 01:17
one way? I told that everyone should choose their own way. I haven't told am i a christian, muslim, hindu or a atheist since i dont believe it belongs to anyone else than me. I dont deny a single way that all this started but i have done my thinking and chosen what makes most logic to me. Who knows i can be wrong or right thats a thing i cant know before i die
2019-10-15 01:19
there are only 2 ways: either you draw the conclusions that are possible from the facts you have, or you do something else and then youre not a rational person.
2019-10-15 01:20
i have to disagree that doing something else is an act of a mad man. you have to make those facts "facts" first, so if an idea is not yet a fact (like the earth is round thousands of years ago) then trying to prove it is respectable since they stand at what they believe. if they are not trying to prove it though but is just trying to prove they are right by disproving another idea, only then do i consider them mad men. it's like believing in teleportation, if you are just saying you believe it without facts, you're a mad man but if you are at least trying to prove it by i don't know how, then that for me is respectable.
2019-10-15 14:26
#343
Finland em8 
But if god created the world then where did god come from? Thus god isn't an answer if you want to know where the world started.
2019-10-15 17:57
this is where religion gives the answer.
2019-10-15 18:49
#369
Finland em8 
how?
2019-10-15 19:40
that is neither an argument for or against theism. in fact there are no arguments for theism. there is 1 good argument against it: none of it through thousands of year of human history has ever been proven so its probably bullshit.
2019-10-15 01:16
#217
tarik | 
Brazil GuGa62 
U have a great point
2019-10-15 03:23
We have no idea what started the big bang, plain and simple. It could just as easily have been a metaphysical process, or a simulation, as it could be a god. Absence of Information isn't evidence.
2019-10-15 01:16
exactly
2019-10-15 01:16
the whole simulation idea is the weakest shit neoprotestants could ever come up yet its still popular xD
2019-10-15 02:15
Its equally as possible as a god creating the universe.
2019-10-15 02:14
i'll just pretend you are baiting for my own sanity
2019-10-15 02:15
Keep telling yourself that.
2019-10-15 02:15
#344
Finland em8 
right cuz it's way more likely than god actually existing (at least in the way we think of god)
2019-10-15 17:58
only young children and retards think of God as skydaddy
2019-10-15 18:02
#6
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Japan Onee_chan 
No Religion is brainwashing.
2019-10-15 00:36
could you open your opinion a bit
2019-10-15 00:37
#11
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Germany SadBUGfan 
religions actually made the "god thing" look stupid. I think might be a source, what it is, and how it works i have no idea, and we are very far away to comprehend it. So we shouldn't try, but humans a long the history tried, created religions, and fucked up everything.
2019-10-15 00:39
There’s theism without religion
2019-10-15 17:21
#392
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Japan Onee_chan 
Believing in god is delusional.
2019-10-16 13:14
#10
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Croatia mds818 
Perhaps you can use "theory" from Supernatural, God creating world etc etc yes that's possible and some of the "miracles" but if we consider all the bad stuff happening to the people which don't deserve it... where's God in those cases and why is he not helping? ..or as I love to say it, for every reason why "there is a God" I can give the reason why there's no God and vice verse.. also experience is telling me that it's better not to comment on such themes if you have realistic pov
2019-10-15 00:39
im sure most religions offer a explanation to why go doesn't help people struggling mine does atleast. But i agree you cant tell that how world really started and you can pretty much deny all the arguments someone tries to give. I was just wondering what makes people on hltv so aggressive against religions and do they have some kinda explanation on what they believe in.
2019-10-15 00:42
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Croatia mds818 
I know that they do, trust me I know a lot about religion and the stuff it says... Me personally as said in certain situations I prefer not to discuss about it, back in the day I was raised as one of those who attend church every week watch out etc basically as a religious person however way too many "random" shits has happened in my life to just casually come up and ya god is going to save me help me etc... and in my mind even if he does exists he doesn't really care, and if he doesn't care I don't either... I will fight on my own
2019-10-15 00:45
i completely understand. I have been raised to believe what i want. I just have had too many stuff happen that just seem too random to happen so i believe there is some bigger force that guides us but i respect all visions and cant deny a explanation on how world started before its proven.
2019-10-15 00:50
#72
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Croatia mds818 
Yeh but it depends what you pass through when it comes to life... but you see there's one(well more but...) huge different between our religions and that is that your religion requires faith in order to be saved after death while mine required living a good life and being a good person(which imo makes way more sense)....
2019-10-15 00:58
> I just have had too many stuff happen that just seem too random to happen so i believe there is some bigger force there are 7 billion humans on this planet. 1 in a million coincidences of something happening in a day will happen to 7000 people every day. now there are 365 days ina year and 10 billion different coincidences with 1 in a million odds that can all happen at any time. what would actually be a reason to believe in a higher power is if these coincidences didnt occur.
2019-10-15 01:13
7000 people is just a drop of water in the sea. Im not saying my way is the right but my way is chosen from my experiences and the thinking and research i have done.
2019-10-15 01:14
you havent done any research you only did the experiencing and thinking parts without any empirical data collection or testing of hypotheses.
2019-10-15 01:21
ok i respect your opinion and im not gonna deny your way of thinking. Who knows you can be right or you can be wrong hopefully we wont find this out too soon :)
2019-10-15 01:23
you will never find out. one day, you will die. then your brain stops processing electrical signals and you will never experience anything ever after because you no longer exist. no pearly gates. no hellfire. no eternal blackness. you will stop to exist. stop experiencing things. i literally cannot be proven wrong about this. its an undeniable fact. until we figure out how to upload people into computers.
2019-10-15 13:11
#325
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Albania GreenDog 
No, it's deniable. You know absolutely nothing about philosophy. You think very narrowly-only from the point of view of natural Sciences
2019-10-15 17:34
no. you cant deny that. these are facts. you can only choose to believe some other stuff someone made up. for all we know right now, there is no afterlife. scientifically
2019-10-15 17:35
there is no other point of view, only bullshit people made up. there is nothing "supernatural". and if there was, there would be a science of studying that too, until it is understood and we see it as a part of our natural world.
2019-10-15 17:36
#341
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Albania GreenDog 
Begin the study of philosophy with the Dialogues of Plato. Finally, you will come to the strange "existence" and "being" of Heidegger, which is difficult to understand even for real philosophers.
2019-10-15 17:49
i think things like the electromagnetic force and quantummechanics are way more magical than some belief in a bearded grandpa in the sky fucking magnets, how do they work.
2019-10-15 17:37
What is yours ?
2019-10-15 00:45
mine what?
2019-10-15 00:46
Religion, obviously.
2019-10-15 00:47
i think you can figure out from my flag
2019-10-15 00:48
wodka?
2019-10-15 01:10
religions lie to people to scare them and give them hope so they pay money to the church and obey orders. what you should believe in is what you can see: we are 7 billion people on this planet making our own rules.
2019-10-15 00:46
That is a pretty retarded argument against God actually. Why should God cares about us ? Why would God intervene even if he cared, since it basically destroys "free will" so the very meaning of intelligent form of life ? Why should God have emotions and empathy ? How insignifiant will be any suffering of humanity compared to such entity if it exists ? Absence of divine intervention doesn't prove anything. The idea that God should have created perfect world for us, or that he has a moral, is just an idea propagated by most religions. The fact that you came up with such idea show how influenced you are by these religions even if you don't agree.
2019-10-15 00:45
#34
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Croatia mds818 
Guy is obviously asking for a religious explanation and I gave him one, if we're talking just about creations I can easily say that we were created by Dragons, Aliens or even one idea where world universe etc is just a game of some bigger species and 24 hours in our life is like 2 hours in their life and they're just playing a game with us for those 2 hours the same way we play cs.... if that's an explanation you're looking for?
2019-10-15 00:47
He simply asked for opinions as far as I know. This is actually even more retarded, and I'm not looking for any explanation myself because I already thought about this question and decided that there is no point in asking it.
2019-10-15 00:52
#60
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Croatia mds818 
I'm not saying that it's not(even more retarded).,. but since you mentioned religion I gave an "explanation" which is not related to any religion... I agree that there's no point in asking however if someone is asking and open up for discussion I can hop in...
2019-10-15 00:56
#12
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North America Straf3R 
Burden of proof is on the believers
2019-10-15 00:40
That's a logical fallacy you clearly aren't smart enough to understand.
2019-10-15 02:10
#208
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North America Straf3R 
Not really. They say god is real, then they'd have to prove it. But humor me, I suppose. How am I not smart enough to understand that perfectly sound argument that I've just made? I think you misunderstand the whole "Burden of proof" argument.
2019-10-15 02:52
If you say God isn't real, can someone not ask you to prove that statement? That is why it's fallacious. It's also self-evident, that's why you aren't too bright. How about, "how was the universe created?" Or, "what is the point of existence, if materialism doesn't accept free will?" Or, "how are the most basic moral principles seemingly innate, as they are present across the globe and throughout history?" Or, "why is there an incomprehensible order to life?" You saying that they should prove the existence while not offering any evidence of your own is the very definition of the 'burden of proof fallacy'! It's a basic premise, and any intelligent person would understand how trivial that type of arguing/thinking is! Posturing vacuous Richard Dawkins-reading mindless atheist drones (such as yourself) never seem to grasp that the absence of evidence should not be conflated with the evidence of absence, and that this type of arguing is so lateral. "Faith" will never be as logically simple as 1+1, otherwise it wouldn't be called "Faith".
2019-10-15 03:17
#229
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North America Straf3R 
Again you misunderstood my argument. I was implying that Christians always assert that there is a god, to which the burden of evidence is on them. I don't have to disprove the existence of a god of one cannot be proven to exist in the first place. It's not my fault that no Christian can prove their religion to be true. I think you misunderstand atheism. We aren't out to disprove god, we simply don't believe in him because there is no concrete evidence of him. Atheists will simply say "I don't believe in a god because there is no evidence to support the existence of one." Which is not remotely the same as saying "god doesn't exist at all." You're implying that atheism is a believe that there is no god but it is actually the lack of belief in one. "How was the universe created?" Bro lemme tell you about the big bang. We know for a fact that something has to come from something, as the universe did. Something cannot come from nothing as the Bible very much so implies that the world came from nothing but the word of god. "Or, "why is there an incomprehensible order to life?" " Because it has naturally come about as a consequence of the growth of the human population and our need to make the world function and our species survive. It's really a sort of cause to effect thing. People need food? Great, we have farmers that work day in and day out doing the same thing to provide people food. It's really not incomprehensible when you use your brain. You need food and that farmer works to get you that food and you work to be able to buy that food. It's very, very comprehensible. "Or, "how are the most basic moral principles seemingly innate, as they are present across the globe and throughout history?" " You're arguing for objective morality? Really? Or, "what is the point of existence, if materialism doesn't accept free will?" That's a whole other discussion in and of itself that has no answer. Those are ultimately just concepts. One could believe in having free will and be a materialist and think that consciousness is not or is a material thing or whatever. Really all of these questions have answers, and I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish by providing these examples. This whole burden of proof thing isn't a fallacy, you see. You just don't get the point of it or atheism. If I make a claim that you've murdered someone in a court but have no proof to back that up, the claim will be dismissed as false. But if I were to provide, say, footage of you murdering someone to a jury along with some dna from the victim that was on a shirt of yours, then I will have proven my claim. Theists will say, by their very nature as theists. "God exists and is almighty." And the athirst will respond "How do you know this, and what proof do you have of a god?" I will say it again for you. Atheism is not a belief or assertion, but a lack thereof. It does not require proof or evidence, that burden belongs to those that DO assert that god exists.
2019-10-15 04:33
You didn't comprehend the last two paragraphs and also bring up the bing bang when talking about how the universe had to come from something. You should really read up on the big bang You are so lost it's farcical. Google "burden of proof fallacy". If you are the one asserting the notion (which you technically are) THE BURDEN LIES WITH YOU. I have completely understood your tired, lateral, mindless argument, you have only proven how inept you are.
2019-10-15 13:37
#340
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North America Straf3R 
Well it's clear that you misunderstood my original comment then. I asserted nothing. And therefore I don't have to prove or disprove anything. I made no claims other than that the burden of proof isn't on me, but people that assert the existence of god. As for the big bang, I'm very familiar with the idea and have done my reading on it. I suggest you stop saying "well look this up because you don't see it how I do" as it is a poor tactic to use in arguments. Though since you're Finnish I'll excuse your lack of intelligence and failure to comprehend my initial point.
2019-10-15 17:47
You still still don't understand. I'd hate to have your ~IQ, floundering in general classes.
2019-10-15 19:29
#13
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Thinking that there isnt a deity is literally retarded. quora.com/Is-it-true-that-people-with-hi.. Read the second answer by Jay Hauer Educate yourselves and look deeper than just " oh religion is stupid and sounds made up, my life is shit, im edgy, there is evil in the world so no god duh duh" dispute religion but u cant dispute god
2019-10-15 00:47
> "I was atheistic for the majority of my life until I was presented with irrefutable experiential evidence of God’s existence. " > proceeds not to give this irrefutable evidence nt religion is stupid and made up, prove me wrong. i'll wait.
2019-10-15 00:43
#31
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I forgot to add that i wanted you to read the second answer by Jay Hauer. Im not really that religious, just saying that deism is simply the most logical belief. Agnosticism is fine too i guess but atheism is straight up retarded.
2019-10-15 00:47
stopped reading at the part where he called 150iq "modestly bright" this guys an idiot.
2019-10-15 00:47
LMFAO. Man. That's clearly tongue-in-cheek. Are you that unintelligent you can't pick up on sarcasm, or do you have a tenuous grasp on the language? Either way, you're way out of your depth. And I'm not saying that Quora answer is at all meaningful. I just believe that it's obvious Atheism is indefensible intellectually and morally. "most ppl simply arent capable of questioning the nature of their reality." So you are capable of "questioning the nature of your reality"? Hahahaha. Hahaha. Ha. Dude. You're experiencing cognitive dissonance, it's textbook psychology.
2019-10-15 02:16
i never needed to question my reality in the way religious people need to, because i was raised with a belief in the scientific procedure instead of a bearded magical grandpa in the sky who can hear my thoughts. i am 100% sure that the beliefs i have, are the ones supported by the facts we have at this time. now, some of what science currently asserts, may be incomplete or wrong, but its the best we have got. it sure is a lot better than bearded magical grandpa in the sky, imo. and btw, a lot of scientists spend their whole life questioning the nature of reality and ACTUALLY FIND ANSWERS THAT CAN BE PROVEN WITH REASONING AND DATA. religion never does that because all religion does is tell people stories they want to hear, that their life has purpose, there is a plan for them, there is eternal life waiting for them after death. its all made up. theres no data, no reasoning, no evidence. only wishful thinking. only people telling you what you want to hear so you will give them money and power. seeing as i do consider myself a scientist, yes, i do believe i question the nature of my reality. its what i do for my money. its what makes me a useful member of society. what you are experiencing is the feeling youre losing ground here so you need to make shit up again. its a knee jerk response for many religious people. i do not tolerate cognitive dissonance. any amount of it is too much. i would rather spend days thinking something through and reading about it, than feel cognitive dissonance. i can afford to work out all the internal conflicts with my beliefs, because my belief system is internally coherent. because its based on empirical information gathering and the scientific process. which is a luxury that religious people do not have. you just have to accept that some things in your religion cannot both be true, and have to deal with the cognitive dissonance. until you get tired of doing that and stop being religious.
2019-10-15 13:21
This is a response that you made because you couldn't pick up on a comment being blatantly tongue in cheek. Holy fuck, your posts are so off the mark you clearly haven't grasped them and are just plain misinformed. YOU ARE AS MINDLESSLY GULLIBLE AS ANY DEVOUT FOLLOWER.
2019-10-15 13:29
no, you are. i simply deny the existence of things, if no one can prove they exist. thats the opposite of gullibility. you are just mad because you got rekt.
2019-10-15 13:30
you are gullible for entertaining the possibility that god exists just because some people believe in it super hard. but you dont entertain the possibility of fucking bigfoot or unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster. ah, theres that cognitive dissonance again. got a headache yet? it gives me headaches.
2019-10-15 13:31
atheism is not a religion. it is the lack of a theistic religion.
2019-10-15 13:33
and giving some examples of ppl with high iq who believe in god without also listing a bunch of ppl with high iq who are atheist proves that he is full of shit and only looking to confirm his point. definitely below 130 iq as he did no effort to avoid his own confirmation bias.
2019-10-15 00:51
#50
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Its true that the writer doesnt seem very smart and he didnt phrase and structure his point all that well. Doesnt change anything that th point still stands that the very majority of the most intelligent people ever strongly believed in god.
2019-10-15 00:53
yes because the very majority of ppl in total strongly believed in something. that is not a relevant statistic. the relevant question would be: are the distributions in intelligence equal between theists and atheists, or do they differ. not just counting some totals. which btw he didnt even do because he only gave some anecdotal evidence.
2019-10-15 00:55
and even if most smart people actually believe in god, that still doesnt mean they are right. this herd mentality is exactly what got humanity into this bullshit.
2019-10-15 00:56
and then he goes off to list a bunch of historic figures whose iq was never measured, and for example in case of shakespeare, we arent even sure if they ever existed. news flash: in history everyone was theist, because saying you werent would get you killed. i honestly have no idea why you want anyone to read this shit.
2019-10-15 00:52
#55
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I dont care about the the whole answer being stupid the point standa and youre cherry picking things "news flash: in history everyone was theist, because saying you werent would get you killed." Doesnt excuse for the current day's most intelligent people believing in god too and saying and writing arguments for it.
2019-10-15 00:55
yes it does because they were raised to believe it and most ppl simply arent capable of questioning the nature of their reality.
2019-10-15 00:56
simple example: if we all lived in the matrix and everyone believed the matrix was real, even really smart people, then it would still not be true.
2019-10-15 00:56
"“Huh. Apparently reason and logic actually don’t lead everyone to atheism.” This implies there’s a fatal flaw in the idea that “atheism naturally follows from intelligence and rationality.”" yes indeed. it doesnt have anything to do with intelligence. it has to do with skepticism.
2019-10-15 00:53
#77
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Skepticism is very often correlated to intelligence. The smartest people in the world trust me very probably have a high sense of skepticism. My point wasnt this correspondance of which iq tier is theist and which is not, its the fact that it cant be a coincidence that pretty much all of the iq on the very top believe in god, its too high of an occurance to even bother it with a thought that they arent skeptical enough
2019-10-15 01:02
probably, but in case of all these examples in this post you linked, clearly they are far more intelligent than they are skeptical or they would not be religious
2019-10-15 01:03
>its the fact that it cant be a coincidence that pretty much all of the iq on the very top believe in god, its too high of an occurance to even bother it with a thought that they arent skeptical enough this isnt actually true. this post doesnt prove that the smartest ppl are religious. this dude just gave some examples of smart religious people, without saying how many there are in total, or how many smart non religious people there are. you can prove literally any point by cherry picking a couple examples.
2019-10-15 01:04
#117
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
He provided you a decent enough list to get a conclusion. Pretty much all of the very well known geniuses that have stated their view on the topic. I am not gullible and falling for anything. I come to the conclusion of deism by my own, i just use this link to show people these people's arguments and beliefs. As far as i remember, there were links to books which are definitely worth reading to battle your view.
2019-10-15 01:14
i have never heard of any of these people.
2019-10-15 01:15
#136
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Doesnt matter? Read their work.
2019-10-15 01:17
no. they are religious. their brains malfunction. waste of my time.
2019-10-15 01:18
they can be super smart but they still choose to believe in fairy tales because it makes them feel good so they are weak in my view.
2019-10-15 01:18
besides there are plenty of smart people who dont believe in god. i would look it up for you but sadly i dont give a fuck what other people think.
2019-10-15 01:19
i honestly cant believe youre so gullible to fall for such an obvious trick.
2019-10-15 01:04
#231
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North America Straf3R 
No, see. That's not how atheism works. You're supposed to not be asserting anything. Atheism is a lack of belief in god, not the belief that one doesn't exist.
2019-10-15 04:36
Wait. Do you actually think a Quora link is a fucking argument ??? Also, religions are indeed retarded when talking about God. They are only intelligent when inserted into their particular historic/cultural context.
2019-10-15 00:55
#59
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Who the fuck cares about quora and this Jay guy writing like a child the point fucking stands
2019-10-15 00:56
Would it be any different if he made the argument himself?
2019-10-15 01:21
Maybe, I can't know what he would have said. I still don't see how some random and bold claims for some random internet user on Quora are relevant to the discussion. No studies, no sources, just some improvised gourou like many others.
2019-10-15 01:28
Also, the Quora discussion was not about God existence but God believers and intelligence. Even if it was true, which I don't know since the reasoning there is fallacious, it would still not be a valid argument in favor of God existence. If all-mighty God exists, therefore its intelligence and complexity is infinite, therefore even being the smartest man of all time won't make you more able to comprehend it.
2019-10-15 01:35
there are 2 options: either you accept you dont know how it is that the universe exists, or you add one useless step by saying god created the universe, but now you dont know how it is that god exists, so it doesnt actually explain anything i prefer the first option. at least that leaves open the option of looking for answers with science.
2019-10-15 00:44
how do you explain the creation of universe and deny the existence of a god?
2019-10-15 00:45
i dont have to explain the creation of the universe, i only have to show that adding the step "god did it" doesnt make any sense.
2019-10-15 00:46
neither does the fact that it started from nothing. You cant prove either right or wrong.
2019-10-15 00:47
i dont have to. i just have to show that the proposition "god created the universe" is equally likely as literally every other random explanation you can make up. and that already proves religion is bullshit.
2019-10-15 00:48
i might as well say a unicorn made of diamonds pooped out the universe
2019-10-15 00:49
thats a plausible explanation. But you just cant deny a greater force and say this is exactly how it started.
2019-10-15 00:51
yes i can, and i dont need to say that it started any way, because im not so insecure about life that i need some old man in robes to tell me a bullshit story so i can go to sleep at night.
2019-10-15 01:02
well yeah technically you can just say that there is no god or higher power but does it really make any sense? You have zero idea how all this started thats why i created this topic.
2019-10-15 01:03
"god" doesnt make any sense either.
2019-10-15 01:05
thats what i have been saying the whole time. These people on hltv and on the streets are trying to tell you this is the only real path. This is why i made this topic i want to hear these people try to tell me why theres only one right path. I respect everyone's believes and i have chosen my own. But denying a possible way that this world started is just dumb.
2019-10-15 01:08
no it isnt. there is 0 reason not to deny anyone who tries to tell you how it started, because we are at this point 100% sure that we dont fucking know. so anyone who says they know is full of shit.
2019-10-15 01:09
listening to shit people make up and wasting your time, thats just dumb.
2019-10-15 01:09
doesn't quantum mechanics mean it is possible for something to pop in and out of existence? for example you can never know where an electron is.. i remember stephen hawking's book when he was talking about god (he would rather explain things by the use of science than imagining it's a "greater force" up there) i would think that people who call religion/God bullshit are the same people (like me) who would prefer not to just explain it away as a deity, but instead use more logical reasoning and testing to know where we started from and how we could have been started. saying it was God that did everything and believing that rather than the building up of science to explain it logically is a slap in the face for common sense.
2019-10-15 03:01
technically at a quantum mechanical level there are no "things" or "in" or "out" of "existence", there are only energy fields or "waves" that have a certain likelihood to manifest as particles when observed, and a likelihood of interacting with other energy fields. these fields can only be defined in terms of their interactions with their environment, which consists of other fields. they cannot be directly observed. its all relative.
2019-10-15 13:24
No matter the form or name, you are still talking about God in such case.
2019-10-15 00:56
ah, now were discussing semantics, mr Miles.
2019-10-15 00:57
You were actually ? And I just pointed it out.
2019-10-15 00:58
what if our universe was created by some natural process in a multiverse? and that one by another process in another higher level multiverse. and its multiverses all the way down. an infinite row of them. then your god theory does not apply.
2019-10-15 01:01
I don't have any God theory actually, I don't believe in it nor believe in its non-existence. I simply restrain myself from emitting such opinion because there is no point. Your explanation is great and all, but any religious people would just say "But what is all the way down ? What is before the first universe ? What started the chain ?".
2019-10-15 01:04
i dont know and neither do they and thats why religion is bullshit.
2019-10-15 01:05
I don't know about God, but I know for sure that religions are false. Still, we just went back to the original statement without any progress.
2019-10-15 01:16
yes because we are both agnostic atheists so there is nothing to discuss
2019-10-15 01:17
#44
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
it simply couldnt have started from nothing. Thats fact. Now the fact that you cant explain god doesnt change that there is a higher force. Its a higher force out of our boundaries ofcourse you cant explain it, also there is no beginning for god, why would you think time is perceived in the same way for something that is obviously out of our even imaginary boundaries.
2019-10-15 00:51
yes i believe everyone will get answer to this when they die and people should live like they want and trust what they want. I was just interested to hear argument from these people who mock other peoples opinions.
2019-10-15 00:52
why do you believe this
2019-10-15 01:06
>it simply couldnt have started from nothing. Thats fact. you have no idea about how this universe works, at very small or very large scales, especially at the moment that we humans consider the "start" of time. so you cannot make claims like this. thats completely ridiculous. and thats the problem with theists. they constantly make such claims about things that they can not know and expect ppl to go along. i dont go along with that. you dont know what youre talking about. nobody knows the answer to this question.
2019-10-15 00:59
#148
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Spacetime had to have been created. Thats how it works. A deity didnt have to be created, you cant assume " being created " is possible for a deity, because you cant apply no logic and our understanding for the universe for it. We understand spacetime and thats our boundary. And since spacetime had to have been created, there is god.
2019-10-15 01:21
no it didnt have to. thats your assumption. based on absolutely nothing.
2019-10-15 01:22
#171
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I will end the discussion here. The universe had to have had a start. Thats how matter works. Also i have one interesting thing. google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/.. Its an estimation ofcourse but you get it. The chance of you being born is 1 In 10^ 2,640,000. For comparison the estimated number or atoms in the known universe is 10^ 80. " So what's the probability of your being born? It's the probability of 2.5 million people getting together -- about the population of San Diego -- each to play a game of dice with trillion-sided dice. They each roll the dice -- and they all come up the exact same number -- say, 550,343,279,001. " So you wanna think that the chance of the two of us having this discussion is ^2 this number or that there is meaning, god and soul? No way around this question.
2019-10-15 01:40
its really laughable to me, that you can just assert "it had to have had a start". the chair you are sitting on had to have had a start. at some point it was a tree. then it stopped being a tree and became a chair. thats a start. you cannot reason like that about the whole universe because you dont know which rules apply outside of our spacetime.
2019-10-15 13:25
#376
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
if there is outside of our spacetime, this outside, or the outside of outside how many times you want is either god or we are in a simulation which i dont believe.
2019-10-15 22:08
about those atoms. there are 10^80 atoms. but most of those are the same. they are hydrogen or helium. out of those 2^80 not unique atoms, many more different configurations of combinations of elements can be made. even if you take only combinations and not permutations, its still a very large number. just with a couple thousand helium and hydrogen atoms you already have billions of possibilities. lets say your number of 10^2.6 million is correct. then the odds of either of us existing are indeed low. but we do exist and we are both writing and reading to each other. so, the chance that we have this conversation is 1. because we are having it. for sure. theres no chance about it. these large numbers dont mean that god exists. large numbers just mean we live in a really large universe with nearly endless possibilities. it does not make us special. if you or i didnt happen to be born, someone else with a slightly different configuration of atoms would have been. its similar to people who claim, that god must exist, because this earth is such a perfect habitat for humans. but, of course its a perfect habitat for us, because we evolved for billions of years on this planet and are adapted perfectly to it.
2019-10-15 13:40
#377
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
" about those atoms. there are 10^80 atoms. but most of those are the same. they are hydrogen or helium. out of those 2^80 not unique atoms, many more different configurations of combinations of elements can be made. even if you take only combinations and not permutations, its still a very large number. just with a couple thousand helium and hydrogen atoms you already have billions of possibilities. " Doesnt matter, its just used to show how big of a number with 0. and then 2.6 million zeroes after it is. " these large numbers dont mean that god exists. large numbers just mean we live in a really large universe with nearly endless possibilities. it does not make us special. if you or i didnt happen to be born, someone else with a slightly different configuration of atoms would have been. its similar to people who claim, that god must exist, because this earth is such a perfect habitat for humans. but, of course its a perfect habitat for us, because we evolved for billions of years on this planet and are adapted perfectly to it. " If there was no god and soul, the chance of 1 in 10^ 6 760 000 000 000 ( since we both exist ) CAME TRUE ( not even taking other possibilities from the design argument ) And if you believe in a chance that close to 0, then so be it. " the chance that we have this conversation is 1. because we are having it. for sure. theres no chance about it. " If there was no chance, its god and soul " Its similar to people who claim, that god must exist, because this earth is such a perfect habitat for humans. but, of course its a perfect habitat for us, because we evolved for billions of years on this planet and are adapted perfectly to it. " You tackled the design argument which is a discussion for an another time, we've strayed the topic and you have evaded my question. Im gonna repeat myself Do you think that just the chance of the two of us having this discussion ( which is a number lower than 1 in 10^ 6 760 000 000 000 ) came true, or that there is meaning, god and soul?
2019-10-15 22:20
the first one. im not scared of big numbers. they are much simpler to understand than your explanation.
2019-10-15 22:20
#380
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I didnt explain god, its about whether you believe this chance could have actually came true, or you reason it with god, for whom you, as we both said, cant explain. So the correct answer is to assume god. While you dont need to, cant explain him.
2019-10-15 22:23
if you cant explain it, it is never the correct answer. then youre just making stuff up.
2019-10-15 23:54
the correct answer is "we dont know"
2019-10-15 23:55
#20
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Korea ARBOGA 
Proof that God is REAL youtu.be/BQWq8Iuxl3I
2019-10-15 00:45
0/8
2019-10-15 00:45
#26
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Lithuania rohall 
Its just a belief that it was impossible for the universe and world to come out of nowhere, so simply they believe a higher being ("God") created the world. Religious beliefs and practices are just built off of what people believe is the correct and right thing to do for their respective religion. I guess it gives them a sense of relief that there is something after they die and so that they are not in the constant negative mindspace of life being pointless. Nobody knows the exact reasons for why the fuck everything is the way it is, but everyone is different and has their ways to approaching life, living it the way the think it should be lived or just living it the way they just want to.
2019-10-15 00:45
Yes. Next question
2019-10-15 00:46
Everything that is incomprehensible to people automatically becomes not true. Because people will always in his stupidity deny everything he cannot understand.
2019-10-15 00:50
Yes lets all start believing in fairytales, nobody can proof they are not existing
2019-10-15 00:57
#42
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Slovakia itsab8 
ofc no lol
2019-10-15 00:50
Everything is pure consciousness so everything that exists is God
2019-10-15 00:52
#52
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Brazil |Coldzera| 
My opinion There are crazy stuffs we are not even close to understand. We are immortals, so life still goes on after we die "here on earth" i think we are not allowed to go anywhere else, so we keep reincarnating here, until we gets to the level we can at least be in contact with superior civilizations (wich probably, doesnt know what god in fact is, since they are also envolving)
2019-10-15 00:53
thats also a theory that could happen.
2019-10-15 00:55
there is 0 reason or evidence to assume that could ever happen.
2019-10-15 01:06
oh you bet but you will never perceive what you dont dare to believe its both easy and impossible all at once, a wonderful paradox
2019-10-15 00:57
Yes ofc, ask yourself these questions How did the universe and the earth begin to exist? Obv it didn't come from nothing, and the universe is so perfect that the chances of it being like this by randomness is impossible. And then ask yourself this, if there is a God then surely he must have "revealed" himself to the humans and try to guide them? The answer to all of this is Islam, so try to learn about the religion and read Quran and you will see. Sry for bad english etc but im tired af and I want to sleep.
2019-10-15 00:57
i have already found my answers and its not from islam but i respect the way muslims view the world and who knows maybe their religion is the answer to all of this.
2019-10-15 01:01
Who created god? And why do u think the universe is perfect? U know so little u have no clue if the universe is perfect or not. Why should god reveal himself? And if you talk about Islam, why did he reveal himself to a single person (some stupid man) and not to a crowd. Why didnt he create us knowing he exists. Why do we have to proof anything to him, he could have created us perfect not doing any mistakes. If you do your study, you will see there is not a thing like religions, maybe there is a god, but religions are fairytales. Stop believing in a god, start believing in yourself and you will be a happy human.
2019-10-15 01:07
+1 Skeptical way to go
2019-10-15 01:08
#139
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
#129
2019-10-15 01:18
#129
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
You cant create god. timespace had to be created, it had to have had a start, thats how it works. God didnt have to have a start. Its out of spacetime boundaries and our imagination. Why would you think that time applies there at all?
2019-10-15 01:16
All speculations without any clue. As you said, it is out of boundaries and imagination. So you can't say nothing created God, that spacetime needed a start or that spacetime even actually exists - because that is not a certainty either.
2019-10-15 01:24
#175
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
matter had to have had a start. Thats how matter works. also read #171
2019-10-15 01:38
LOL. And who are you to claim this boldly ? The question is so complex that I would restrain to comment it, but you are convinced to know which proves nothing except your human insignifiance. #171 is no better. The idea stated in the article (which is not even objective science but pure speculation from some scientist) simply means that the universe is so complex, that everything happening has to follow an incredibly long chain of event. It doesn't say anything about God nor the origin of the universe, this is simply a extrapolation of your mind.
2019-10-15 01:45
#206
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I am not convinced, i have my doubts and ive been agnostic. I just expressed my current beliefs. Everything has a cause, for the natural world to exist there has to be a cause, and its supernatural. You are being ignorant to the point i made in #171. " Its an estimation ofcourse but you get it. The chance of you being born is 1 In 10^ 2,640,000. For comparison the estimated number or atoms in the known universe is 10^ 80. So you wanna believe that the chance of the two of us having this discussion is ^2 this number or that there is meaning, god and soul? No way around this question. " No way around it. You cant disprove or prove god in our universe, but you cant evade this question in which only bliss can prevent you from believing. its simply more probable that there is a higher force.
2019-10-15 02:55
>You cant disprove or prove god in our universe finally you say something that i can agree with. its impossible to prove. it is impossible for a supernatural being from outside our universe, to assert influence in our universe, without breaking its rules and probably destroying it. it is fundamentally unknowable. therefore, occams razor dictates, that the simplest explanation that fits the facts, of which there are none, is: no explanation at all. that is the assumption you should operate on, until you get more data that invalidate that assumption.
2019-10-15 13:29
how can "time" have a start? time is a dimension of our universe, just like it has at least 3 spatial dimensions. outside of time, there is no start or end.
2019-10-15 13:26
Rofl. I don't see any logical reasoning between the first two sentences and "the answer to all of this is islam". Also those sentences are clearly fallacious, like this bold "if there is a God then surely he must have "revealed" himself to the humans" which is no more possible than the opposite (= God hides himself from its creation).
2019-10-15 01:07
i still dont believe all of this could come from nothing since you cant make something out of nothing -so how can god be made out of nothing? So basically the universe is created by the flying spaghetti monster after drinking heavily.
2019-10-15 00:58
thats exactly the limitation and issue with the human mind. and thats what justifies your doubt It takes something mind shattering to get free from that, and if you truly seek just that, you might shatter your mind. but there is no turning back after that, just a heads up
2019-10-15 01:01
I do believe theres god, I believe in Pastafarianism!
2019-10-15 01:04
I dont know what that is, but if it is a system, then you got it all wrong :p God is good and loves you very much, but He cant really help you if you are not aligned and able to receive, its like pure physics. attraction repulsion and magnetism. what is your pole?
2019-10-18 22:20
my religion has given me answer to this atm. But yes this whole thing could just be a game that someone plays or a simulation you wont know before you die
2019-10-15 01:09
#69
s1mple | 
Germany meljan 
Brother, let me tell you honestly, from a Muslims perspective, You went to the worst possible forum to ask this question. Most of the people here under 15 years and cuz achieving one ace on faceit put in bio, I was atheist until i realised Im GOD, so please, do your own research on god. You can do better. I believe in you!!!
2019-10-15 00:58
I have done my research and thinking. I just wanted to know what these people think who just bash the possible explanation that there could be a higher power.
2019-10-15 01:02
#85
s1mple | 
Germany meljan 
Nah you may be thinking you are done researching bro but you just started, when you are finished you would have no interest in what other people think about it. Believe me.
2019-10-15 01:04
Thats true i know. I would say at the moment i have my strong believes and i dont believe you can be finished before you die but everyone have their opinions and i respect them.
2019-10-15 01:06
indeed. Im a christian and i believe in god and nothing can change my opinion. Im 28yo
2019-10-15 01:03
#106
s1mple | 
Germany meljan 
Im 24. Just to note. I was born muslim, but Ive been "far" from my religion, only the muslim name stayed, when i finally decided i want to know where im going with all the beliefs and reasons, Ive done a lot of research, and the results showed.
2019-10-15 01:09
It depends on how you define God. If you mean a human like beiong that exists within the universe but with ultimate power than likely not. If you mean God as the changeless and formless substratum of reality than Yes. Philosophically most people today are materialist and believe that consciousness, perception and subjectivity is a mere by- product of matter. This is actually 100 percent a belief however it is not recognized as such and hence these people have blind faith just like a religious person does yet theey are more arrogant since they are unconscious that their world view is actually a belief. They ignorantly proclaim only science has access to truth and if something cannot be observe in a labratory setting than it cannot possibly be real. They claim that the soul is "supernatural" and its postulation arbitrary but in reality it is simply their own consciousness which cannot be explained to be a material thing. God is simply infinite consciousness and the universe is Gods way of evolving that consciousness through gradual stages. Unconsciousness and consciousness are both aspects of God and creation doesn't happen the way creationists believe, instead God creates the universe automatically without even knowing he is doing it as it is just the universal mind in operation. Everyone subconsciouskly knows we are One and connected because we are all within the universal mind or oversoul.
2019-10-15 01:03
Bigger chance in a creator existing than not, but it depends on how you classify 'god'.
2019-10-15 01:06
how do you know?
2019-10-15 01:07
I don't, but I've seen various theories gain traction since I finished studying and I know just enough to be confident in thinking they're not ungrounded bs. So that's what I'd put my money on if someone had a gun to my head and told me to choose.
2019-10-15 01:22
what kind of theories
2019-10-15 01:23
There are quite a few but two well-known ones that are taken seriously in Physics are The Simulation Theory and The Holographic Principle.
2019-10-15 01:32
neither of those have anything to do with theistic religion
2019-10-15 13:40
I didn't mention religion.
2019-10-15 15:14
you cant believe in a creator and not be religious
2019-10-15 15:42
I don't believe in a creator, I'd just put my money on there being some sort of architect if I was forced to. Religion = X created reality and instructed us to live like Y. I'm just saying there's a better chance that X created reality than not. Still continue to do wtf you want, it should have no bearing on how you live your life, it makes zero difference.
2019-10-15 16:47
i just think its interesting you would choose to believe something like that if you arent religious.
2019-10-15 16:49
That's a bold claim tbh. What created the creator? And if he just existed from the beginning, why couldn't the universe have just existed from the beginning by the same logic and progressed to where we see it today because of the laws of physics.
2019-10-15 01:11
According to Lawrence Krauss and the evidence he worked towards uncovering for 15 or so years before publishing his book A Universe From Nothing, that's exactly what happened.
2019-10-15 01:36
retard spotted
2019-10-15 01:15
flourine uranium carbon potassium uranium
2019-10-15 01:46
wow you are so amazingly edgy and intelligent
2019-10-15 13:15
Just felt like making some serious comments. Could have randomly replied to people throwing 13yo insults around I guess.
2019-10-15 13:30
#93
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Sweden Golden_shower 
god is real if you want god to be real ,ya feel me
2019-10-15 01:06
#99
oskar | 
Czech Republic owi 
NO, period. Gods was aliens from space with techs and ppl was stupid, so they call them gods.
2019-10-15 01:07
bad troll attempt
2019-10-15 01:15
actually more likely than most religious stories
2019-10-15 13:41
Yes but not in the sense that anyone thinks
2019-10-15 01:08
#102
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Canada [CT] 
Not much proof for either side so I'm hard stuck to the middle of the fence, who knows maybe I'm god
2019-10-15 01:08
Just go full Agnostic and stop losing time.
2019-10-15 01:11
#113
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Canada [CT] 
Losing time doing what
2019-10-15 01:12
Thinking about something which has no answer and never will (or at least not triggered by any of your actions).
2019-10-15 01:13
#130
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Canada [CT] 
You're trying to tell me that thinking about something that is neither disporven nor proven is a waste of my time
2019-10-15 01:16
No. I would never pretend such a stupid thing. I'm only talking about God, because proving its non-existence is by essence impossible and proving its existence will probably only happen if he exists and decides to show it.
2019-10-15 01:18
#156
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Canada [CT] 
Kissing number theorem is a brilliant but isn't proven nor disproven, however by your logic this is plainly stupid
2019-10-15 01:28
??? Nice strawman, it is not my logic at all. I'm solely talking about God and everything else is just putting words in my mouth.
2019-10-15 01:31
#169
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Canada [CT] 
What do you mean it is the exact same principle, you're suggesting that it's a waste of time to believe in god but his existence is neither prove nor disprove
2019-10-15 01:36
No, the logic is completly unique to God question and I explained in #138. If God is out of time, space and human comprehension therefore it is impossible to prove he doesn't exist, so there is no point in trying. If God exists then he is the only one that could decide to show up or not. In both cases, you are powerless to prove and disprove so you are losing time trying, human time that is highly limited unlike [possible] God. You can't apply this logic to anything else as far as I know.
2019-10-15 01:39
#184
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Canada [CT] 
This is true, but still if I have no proof then god exist and doesn't exist. Regardless of either option I won't put my faith in religion
2019-10-15 01:52
#160
2019-10-15 01:30
I don't get your point. How does it change anything I said ?
2019-10-15 01:32
#174
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Canada [CT] 
This boy is jumping in on our argument
2019-10-15 01:38
Use you brain and you will know. Wait, I meant to reply to the other guy. Damn...
2019-10-15 04:27
There is no need to disprove something when it hasn’t been proven? LMAO HELLO? Brain? Where are you?
2019-10-15 01:29
nope, go next
2019-10-15 01:15
I think so, yes :)
2019-10-15 01:18
#142
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
Since how much time people needs to justify god doesn't exist? It exists only in your books written at a time where everyone could be manipulated by words atm, give us evidences, don't ask us to prove it doesn't exist, prove it does
2019-10-15 01:19
this is the debate you can make from every single explanation on how the world started. I could say that i took a shit and all this started and you couldnt deny it or could you?
2019-10-15 01:24
These are completely different things SMH
2019-10-15 01:28
not really if you think about it
2019-10-15 01:28
Really.
2019-10-15 01:30
thats why the burden of proof is on the person making the claim
2019-10-15 13:43
#278
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
+1 thanks
2019-10-15 15:07
#172
shrek | 
New Zealand is_love 
yes i am real :)
2019-10-15 01:37
#179
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
the idea of god was simply created by people too afraid of dying so had to come up with something to believe in to cope
2019-10-15 01:44
might be. Myself im not afraid of death and i believe on a higher power but i agree with the fact that people might have created a religion just to get relief from their life but thats not why i have chosen on what to believe
2019-10-15 01:49
#185
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
aswell i feel like the whole heaven theory is created by near death experiences of "walking towards a light" i think as a whole religions and churches are good for communities to stay connected and i think anyone can believe what they want but i just don't like religion when it gets forced onto children. Should just let them come to their own conclusion
2019-10-15 01:53
#186
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
oh and may i ask why you have chosen to believe in a higher power?
2019-10-15 01:53
I have had experiences that i feel are too random to be happen just by coincidence. I have also thought about possible explanations and just felt like this is most logical to me. I might be wrong and i never close out the fact that i'm most likely wrong since we don't know anything about the start of the world. And as you said in #185 that everyone should make their own conclusion and nothing should be forced. My own religion has fanatics and i don't agree with almost anything they do even tho we believe in the same stuff.
2019-10-15 01:56
#189
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
fair enough for me at least I think that if their was a higher power we would know about it from people who've gone through cardiac arrest and been pronounced "dead" and then "came back to life" and had no sort of afterlife experience just the same effect of being unconscious, that makes me very sceptical about anyone being the creator of us especially since books like the bible just have full blown lies in them like that humans were the first creatures to live on earth and stuff like that, but i respect your opinion mens))))) its nice to hear from a more open-minded religious person you normally only hear from the extremists
2019-10-15 02:06
yeah i hate the extremists you cant have a conversation with these guys they cant agree the fact that their own beliefs could be wrong. It was nice to hear your opinion on this :)
2019-10-15 02:07
#193
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
same to you :)
2019-10-15 02:08
because thats giving in to false equivalence. when one guy says "the sky is yellow" and another guy says "the sky is blue" then the sky is still blue, not green, not half blue and half yellow. just blue.
2019-10-15 13:44
#203
ZywOo | 
Reunion Frutik 
Not long ago I read about fear frequency, it is fascinating for me and when I am learning more about brain how it works and what can it do like for example sleep paralysis or mirages then I am more and more sceptical about religion. What happend to you if you don't mind me asking ?
2019-10-15 02:19
1. My random and probably smallest experiences that made me question everything are/were for example when i have struggled financially everything has sorted out like it was meant to happen this way. Also many times the timings when stuff have happened seems too unreal to me and i feel like it cant be just a coincidence. 2. I have this notebook where i start to write stuff if i want to clear my mind or if i have a really weird dream or a event in my life. I have had multiple occasions when i have written something i have felt on this notebook and something that could be related to this has happened. It might aswell be something im overthinking and im definitely not claiming that i have visions and im some kinda of next prophet not at all these are just things i have experienced and they can mean literally anything. 3. I lost one of my best friends when i was 14. He was sick but i never really knew how sick he was since he was hospitalized for almost a year and his parents didn't really tell anyone about it. I still have the notebook where i have written down a dream couple weeks before he passed. In the dream i was lost in this weird and really messy "world" and i was led by a shadow out of it. I didn't even know that my friend had died before schools continued and it was informed by our teacher. I know that these can mean anything but this is what i have concluded of my thinking + i was never raised to follow any religion or belief my parents let me choose my own way.
2019-10-15 02:37
#215
ZywOo | 
Reunion Frutik 
Sorry for my english but I will try to explain how I think about your stuff that happend to you. People ussualy will remember the odd things in their life so for example you can throw the dice 10000 lifetime and you throw 20 times the number six in the row and the other numbers are not so impressive for you but the statistics of the numbers will still be fine but you will remeber it because it does not make any sense right in the moment to you but in reality it is "pretty normal" ... This is probably a bad explanation but I hope you will understand where my mind tries to go. That dream is pretty difficult but you could hit any of the symbols of death or sickness in your times before something happend and then you could connect to it. Doesn't need to be bad things, you can find coin on the ground and then you will raise in the job or whatever and you connect to it just because it has some symbolics in it but how many times like this will hit you but you will forget or you will not think about it because it doesn't have any inpact on you. This is how I am thinking about stuff like this. Everything is math nothing has real meaning. Just how you make it for yourself in your head .
2019-10-15 03:27
#223
ZywOo | 
Reunion Frutik 
and one more thing, this will be probably cliché but I think you heard about how people in the past assigned the lightning, earthquake to hight power but now we can explain why this things happens. It's just easy to say that high power did this or that but where lies the thruth ?
2019-10-15 03:56
#182
ZywOo | 
Reunion Frutik 
I think you should believe in society but still be sceptical
2019-10-15 01:47
#188
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Denmark Kon10R 
Interesting question! Depends on the definition of "God". It is obvious to me that "Good" and "Evil" is sort of transparent in the Christian Church (no matter what sect or branch): It's described as "God" or "Devil". I simply CAN'T accept the concept of a certain "individual", whom you can "contact" by prayers or influence in ANY way, no matter what (stupid) sacrifices you make or what magnificent churches or other constructions you build in the "name of God". "He/She" couldn't care less ... but as mentioned: It's not a "he or a she". So NO! "God is not real" ... it is basically a "control mechanism" of ANY population on Earth, created by EVIL men! And ... (drumroll) ... YES! OBVIOUSLY we can all sense or observe a form of "energy" or "concept" that is BIGGER THAN US and even beyond our ability to grasp! It's a fairly easy process to create new babies ... The ladies of our race may put a little more work into it, but fortunately they love it! Otherwise we wouldn't be here! Who hasn't seen a proud mother ??! But the "CONCEPT OF LIFE" is greater than any of us can control or create. So yes: "God is real", but I DON'T buy any "conventional systems" like Christianity, Judaism or Islam. The Eastern philosophies are based on "spiritual development of the individual". THAT may bring you closer to the understanding of "God" ... or should I say "Good" ??! "Good" luck on your journey! Helpful, ethical, kind, friendly, peaceful, benevolent ... Just a few guidelines on the fly! ;O)
2019-10-15 01:59
No one says that everything came out of nothing (not smart people anyway). There might be a god but it is highly unlikely. If there was a god, he probably isn't what any of us think, has nothing to do with religion or it's interpretation of god.
2019-10-15 02:11
#196
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United States bakkadilla 
no
2019-10-15 02:14
no. be your own god, man
2019-10-15 02:17
#204
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Japan DMcCarthy 
yes my dude, otherwise he wouldn't put us on the perfect distance between Earth and Sun... or do you think it's just coincidence? lol!
2019-10-15 02:23
no
2019-10-15 02:49
If you believe it is. If you don't it is not
2019-10-15 02:59
I believe there is no gravity.. cya in space
2019-10-15 03:10
#222
ZywOo | 
Reunion Frutik 
well if you believe in something it does not mean you are 100% confident about it. That's why there are agnostic/gnostic atheist and agnostic/gnostic theist
2019-10-15 03:36
#213
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Indonesia lukerey 
Yes, God is real. I can feel him every minutes in my life. I love God. No matter what. 24yo and still sleep on 9am.
2019-10-15 03:18
no /closed
2019-10-15 03:26
No god, only Godzilla
2019-10-15 04:00
#225
ZywOo | 
Asia 7RU7H 
i believe there is god
2019-10-15 04:01
Wait, if a god created all as a justification of "nothing can come from nothing" then from what is coming god? From nothing except if something created it right? That's just moving the problem away, but not solving it. Also no one ever said the universe came from nothing. All scientists say is : we don't know what was before. Because our current knowledge of physic doesn't work in things called singularities.
2019-10-15 04:08
#228
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Well, it's philosophy and it says that God is a bad theory: can't be proved or dismissed. What you can make are assumptions about God, your own theory. But when you consider all the possibilities in the universe, every theory/knowledge is incomplete, making your assumptions possibly wrong. Soooo, in the end it doesn't matters and life is pointless. Unless you believe in God.
2019-10-15 04:29
#230
roca | 
Lithuania Kvanka 
youtu.be/6xqCkx6WQBE This will answer all your questions about religion.
2019-10-15 04:35
I believe the idea of him helps lot of people in hard times so in spirit yes but no he is not real
2019-10-15 13:13
#235
720 | 
Germany felixlulz 
if he is real he fucking hates me lol
2019-10-15 13:13
do a test yourself. ask Jesus Christ if he is real - and if he is - to prove himself to you nothing to lose
2019-10-15 13:18
No, the big bang theory is already proven, the problem is that a lot of people don't even know what a theory is and keep talking those ignorant and meaningless phrases "Ah but it's just a theory"
2019-10-15 13:25
#303
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Turkey JoshDAA 
big bang theory hasnt been proven, thats why its called a theory and not a law or rule. Didnt know Brazil had this shitty internet and education, this is coming from kebab man too
2019-10-15 17:08
you’re wrong. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_theory “Usually, theories (in the scientific sense) are large bodies of work that are a composite of the products of many contributors over time and are substantiated by vast bodies of converging evidence“ “Theories are the main goal in science and no explanation can achieve a higher "rank" (contrary to the belief that "theories" become "laws" or "facts" over time).”
2019-10-15 17:37
“ Another common misconception is that a theory is the step you go through while on your way to a law of science. Scientific laws and theories are two very different things and, despite what it may seem, one never becomes the other”
2019-10-15 17:44
#350
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Turkey JoshDAA 
have you seen the sources from the wiki? they are all from opinionated sites, i did not see one actual experiment or essay from a scientist, only arguments from the actual word "theory"
2019-10-15 18:13
Lol. Once again I see how the quicker someone is to insult the more likely he’s actually just plain wrong
2019-10-15 17:47
#352
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Turkey JoshDAA 
lol, my comment is still right, the big bang is just a theory, there is evidence to support some of it but thats it. THe big bang hasnt been proven, like i said before, its just a theory
2019-10-15 18:16
no, your comment is wrong, since they found the radiation from Big Bang, that theory has been proved, now they only need study anothers details, because the big bang theory don't wanna explain how universe begun, but explain everything that happened to arrive in the present state of the universe
2019-10-15 19:27
"thats why its called a theory and not a law or rule." lol a theory don't become a law, it's a mith that some people still believes, and you still believes in it
2019-10-15 19:08
Anyway, here is some links to you learn what is a theory and law, because apparently turkey's education sucks haha thehappyscientist.com/content/when-does-.. indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/.. medium.com/byspells-of-worldken/when-do-..
2019-10-15 19:38
#245
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Denmark daisandankai 
no /next
2019-10-15 13:26
#246
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Australia flashi 
find me proof /closed
2019-10-15 13:27
#249
rko | 
Saudi Arabia WWF 
Real
2019-10-15 13:29
Yes Erdogan exists .... WTF
2019-10-15 13:31
#266
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Russia Blyatmen 
Yes, Jesus Christ is real.
2019-10-15 13:46
i would say that, you should ask yourself who you are, and what soul is and what god is and see if any realizations about yourself come, then ask yourself what happens when you follow this process deeper
2019-10-15 13:51
right
2019-10-15 18:40
#270
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
yes /closed
2019-10-15 13:51
Unicellular organisms, have you ever heard of them? Check that out and it might help you understand why you can't imagine how the universe created itself.
2019-10-15 14:10
idk
2019-10-15 14:11
no i not think like this is real. only csgod some times real
2019-10-15 14:27
#276
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Finland 7ones 
Bad bait. Loser.
2019-10-15 14:32
#277
Aleksib | 
Finland qunt 
"Could god be real?" Yes, absolutely. However, there's not a single piece of evidence that shows that that is the case. Then where did the universe come from? WE DON'T KNOW. And that's where the argument should end. Humans have always had this thing that we think that we are so smart and know everything. And if we don't, some people jump to the conclusion that it must have been god. No. If you don't know, you don't know. Not knowing doesn't imply that god did it. Simple as that. Let's go back in time couple hundred years: Lighting strikes: "Dafuq was that? Must've been god!!" Earthquake: "Dafuq was that? Must've been god!!" Eclipse: "Dafuq was that? Must've been god!!" Tornado: "Dafuq was that? Must've been god!!" I hope you know that we figured out that it wasn't god in any of those cases. But those people genuinely thought that they knew the answer. They were the smartest people ever walked on earth, but couldn't even imagine a thing called plate tectonics. Now we have exactly the same situation. Universe exists: "Dafuq it came from? God must've created it" What makes one think that the case is not the same as it was with earthquakes. Just the question is different. To me it's quite reasonable to believe that history will repeat itself and somewhere in the future people laugh at us saying "those dumbasses in 2019 didn't even know how the universe started".
2019-10-15 14:43
Dafuq is this comment? Must've been God!!
2019-10-15 16:53
#292
Aleksib | 
Finland qunt 
I am. Now please cut your foreskin.
2019-10-15 16:57
why
2019-10-15 16:59
#297
Aleksib | 
Finland qunt 
Well it's just a thing that I demanded Abraham to do to himself and all his descendants as a sign of our covenant. I don't have to explain more because I am the God.
2019-10-15 17:03
#299
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Turkey JoshDAA 
i sold my foreskin to the devil, my b god
2019-10-15 17:04
#335
Aleksib | 
Finland qunt 
Doesn't matter where it is as long as you don't have it. You are blessed!
2019-10-15 17:43
So you got yourself, or at least a part of yourself, circumcised as a sign of a covenant which you were the draftee, so to say, of? Cool.
2019-10-15 17:45
#339
Aleksib | 
Finland qunt 
I got circumcised only as Jesus. Totally worth it.
2019-10-15 17:47
#280
fer | 
World loopoos 
Answer is obvious. But it is complex. Welcome to reality.
2019-10-15 15:18
#282
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Europe braxtey 
YES, god is real if Aliens Exist!
2019-10-15 15:44
#284
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India Smauxx 
If God is real, who made Gods? Dafak
2019-10-15 15:45
that's the good part about everything. we will never really find out until we dead and then we can't tell anyone. so what's the point askin question? either u believe or don't.
2019-10-15 15:48
#286
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Europe twitchy_ 
If universe was created by God, who created God? The funny thing here, is that people is killing each other to put a different name to the same God (if he ever exist).
2019-10-15 15:51
Damn nice one bro
2019-10-15 17:18
#381
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Youre stupid. How could you create god? Why do you think you can grasp something outside of our spacetime boundaries. You cant apply nature laws to supernatural beings, you simply cant have knowlegde of something beyond us.
2019-10-15 22:25
#390
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Europe twitchy_ 
Nice try god. If we can't have knowledge of something beyond us how is it possible that you know it's supernatural and outside of our spacetime? I'll tell you, because you don't know a shit but you think you're pretty smart. Now you should go to pray a bit to get out of silver, would you?
2019-10-16 10:32
#290
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Brazil Smartzilian 
no. /closed
2019-10-15 16:52
/open yes /close
2019-10-15 17:05
#293
V1CE | 
Denmark dlinko 
Ofc god is real. I am right here.
2019-10-15 16:58
YES Catolic religion the only way
2019-10-15 17:01
#298
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Turkey JoshDAA 
to be honest, science and religion have weird explanations for how the universe was made, on the science side they say that a large density of nothing imploded into a whole fucking universe. Whilst on the other side which is religion, the universe was made of a powerful entity who made the planets and shit.
2019-10-15 17:03
First of all, you would have to give a very precise definition of what "god" even is/means. It doesn't make sense to talk about the existence of a subject without even having defined it.
2019-10-15 17:07
it actually makes perfect sense if you think about it
2019-10-15 17:15
+1 are we talking about some indian god or Christian God or islam or what
2019-10-15 17:35
I thought adults dont need imaginary friends?
2019-10-15 17:07
Beta adults do
2019-10-15 17:17
It's real but not as some bearded man on a cloud like a lot of people think
2019-10-15 17:10
Yes but all religions are false
2019-10-15 17:21
#314
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India nAgent 
Yeah! Real. No doubt.
2019-10-15 17:26
#316
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Ukraine p0rtal 
- WhO cReAteD thE UnIVErsE? - Who created the god then?
2019-10-15 17:27
yeah i am real man. didnt you see me yet ?
2019-10-15 17:31
Nobody said that the world comes from nothing wtf... Look at this with English subtitles it seems to work decently and will answer your question youtu.be/YwuJxomtO1o
2019-10-15 17:35
#322
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Australia zi8gzag 
It's very hard to say indeed. I grew up Christian and the thought of the Holocaust or something like only being subjectively wrong is very troubling to me. I know that I could be very well be wrong but this is the main reason I adhere.
2019-10-15 17:33
Yes
2019-10-15 17:34
#324
Rob4 | 
Serbia e_loK 
I am real
2019-10-15 17:34
#333
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
he asked about god not u. and answer is yes i am real
2019-10-15 17:40
#393
Rob4 | 
Serbia e_loK 
So what you are trying to say is there are more divine beeings then what christians believe
2019-10-16 13:26
#395
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
no but i'll take it. i am now a polytheist. i believe in all gods
2019-10-16 14:04
#332
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
if u respect every opinion, do you respect the opinion that opinions are not to be respected?
2019-10-15 17:39
#342
L.K.S | 
Brazil Exfm 
Is God male or female?
2019-10-15 17:55
#353
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Germany Pollsbruder 
Transsexual
2019-10-15 18:17
i think the church just needed something to keep the public in control from going loose in the early time zones. i mean the crusaders were basically the ISIS of the knight time, killing nonbelievers and everyone the church tells them. something fishy bruh. i believe in energy and matter and not white beared guy.
2019-10-15 18:04
#394
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
The crusades were defensive offensives to push back the muslims from Spain and the balkans all the way beyond Jerusalem. It was not about killing "non-believers". The muslims were expanding and were not planning on stopping. Learn your history.
2019-10-16 13:31
sure mate thats why crusaders raided villages that we're not bowing to the church.
2019-10-16 20:40
#400
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Those villages was placed either on european territory or on the way to Jerusalem. Do you know anything about what happend BEFORE the crusades? The muslims was way worse when they erased entire villages to expand.
2019-10-16 20:45
#351
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Netherlands erasmusguy 
i guess there should be a god but religions are made by people who want to control the others.
2019-10-15 18:14
The God of this world is Yaldabaoth = Demiurgo = Jehova (a false god) we are trapped in a jail by him. The human mind could never understand or describe the true nature of the real god
2019-10-15 18:31
God is busy getting gang banged.
2019-10-15 18:31
Gott ist tot.
2019-10-15 18:43
Rip Karel Gott :(
2019-10-16 14:08
A. Do we have this omnipotent (omnipotence is a paradox btw this should give it out already) dude chilling in the sky doing only good things but being lazy enough not to remove evil from this world. OR B. Is this just a way for people to control other people? IDK man :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD this is a hard one :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WHICH ONE MIGHT IT BE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-15 18:44
No only satan (My wife) is real Natas liah lla!
2019-10-15 18:46
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Stook 
Yes
2019-10-15 19:35
Well yes, by quantum physics, which is relative, something could appear from nothing, and the farther our technology reaches, the more it will seem like magic.
2019-10-15 19:40
what an original and fresh question. Cant believe ur so deep as to have come up with this. I just did a search on google about if God is real and this is the only thread that google found on the subject. Wow just wow, Im going to subscribe to this thread bc I personally cant wait to see what people have to say on this subject. Thank you for being brave enough to ask this question to this gaming community mostly made up of <20yr olds. I long to see what question you will ask next, pls dont disappoint.
2019-10-15 19:44
ofc.. god is the creator.. lulz
2019-10-15 19:51
Absolutely. But I don't think here is the right place to debate it. People here keeps asking for physical evidences for a metaphysical being. If you wanna solid arguments about God you better look for Philosophy. Ofc this is your choice, but the doubt is the right place to start. I've been there too, I'm not from a religious famliy and God was never a big deal for me. Now I'm a christian and I've denied my faith sometimes, but rn I'm really convinced that there's a God. There are evidences (not proof). And arguments like the flying spaghetti monster or "who created God" are very poor, since they have been already answered (a long time ago). If you're mind opened, you should read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, besides it's a christian book, the first chapters are about the evidences of God from Lewis point of view (a former atheist).
2019-10-15 20:12
prolly not
2019-10-15 21:14
I don't understand why there are so many replies to this. The answer is no. if you disagree, shut the fuck up, you're wrong.
2019-10-15 22:40
Stephen hawking proved that theres no need for god for universum so i think theres no god.
2019-10-15 23:58
Who??)))
2019-10-16 14:06
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Argentina rawe1337 
Yes men HUNDEN plays for Tricked like wtf))
2019-10-16 01:34
#391
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Estonia mr_abdul 
no one knows and who says they do is lying
2019-10-16 10:33
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