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Why sg op?
Germany C0ntrol_me 
I know the spray Pattern is easy bur what more?
2019-10-15 11:08
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basically its the same as ak (kill with one bullet) and the first bullet is hella precise
2019-10-15 11:09
Thx :)
2019-10-15 11:13
one bullet kill? seriously? I would like to know why no one used it before. There was any buffing patch?
2019-10-17 17:36
#71
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Brazil _FaZeUP 
It was expensive ($3000). Valve just decreased Aug and SG's price so we could have a "new meta"...
2019-10-17 18:11
#2
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
First bullet a lot better than ak, more armor pen, spray.
2019-10-15 11:10
Armor pen means that tje crosshaor of Enemy goes crazy right. ?
2019-10-15 11:13
#13
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Germany Constikdw 
no. armor pen means that the armor is more useless, the higher it is. SG has 100% armor pen so the armor is basically irelevant aside of the prevented aim punch
2019-10-15 11:18
#47
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Portugal Zedonp 
No thats aim punch Armor pen is how much dmg the bullet loses when the enemie has armor. 100% armor pen means bullets always take the same dmg with or without kevlar
2019-10-16 13:26
Also cheap
2019-10-16 12:06
#48
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Portugal Zedonp 
its actually 50$ more expensive
2019-10-16 13:27
Than before i meant
2019-10-17 17:28
Wtf spray pattern is not easy
2019-10-15 11:10
#4
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Russia F1Z1K 
It is
2019-10-15 11:13
/ this is the spray
2019-10-15 11:13
+1 literally " / " you just have to pull harder than with ak, the last like 10 bullets are hard but who needs spray when you can just 1 tap
2019-10-15 11:17
>spray pattern is easy >last bullets are hard
2019-10-16 11:24
#27
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Germany MoBo 
"harder" != "hard"
2019-10-16 11:26
"the last like 10 bullets are hard " I was just citing him...
2019-10-16 11:27
Well yeah for the first 10 bullets. After that, even pro's get problems with it
2019-10-15 11:18
#25
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Brazil Collee 
If you're being consistent with the first 10 bullets' spray + have good crosshair placement, doesn't matter that much
2019-10-16 11:26
That's not the point
2019-10-16 11:26
#31
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Brazil Collee 
High first bullet accuracy + 1 HS kill + 30 to 37 non-head/legs damage + 100% armor pen + zoom So it is if you're talking about pro players. The gun will be insanely strong, no matter how much you nerf the spray pattern for after the 10th bullet. SG's spray pattern has exponentially lower importance the more you fire. That's why you see people saying it's easy
2019-10-16 12:04
That's still not the point
2019-10-16 12:19
#38
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Brazil Collee 
"Spray pattern is not easy; pros have problems controlling after the 10th bullet" The point is pretty obvious. I'm explaining why it's wrong. You're making a global statement about the spray pattern completely ignoring the quality/importance factor I've mentioned. But if you still think you're right, well, nothing more I can do
2019-10-16 13:15
Never ever have I argued the importance of the spray to the strength of the weapon. I have compared two spray patterns and argued one is harder than the other.
2019-10-16 13:27
#57
NiKo | 
Germany LXJ88 
you are retarded, which isnt that big of a deal, but the fact that you think you are smart makes it sad
2019-10-16 13:37
What? When did I say that I think I'm smart? When have I acted retarded? Please tell me
2019-10-16 13:37
#60
NiKo | 
Germany LXJ88 
this comment proves it again, you are lacking massively in ability regarding thinking in context
2019-10-16 13:43
And you seem to be unable to show me where I misbehaved. So instead of insulting me why don't you tell me what exactly I have done wrong?
2019-10-16 13:43
#63
NiKo | 
Germany LXJ88 
you are just ignoring his right arguments by excluding relevant information to keep your argument correct. anyway i have to go now. maybe read the conversation above once again to find out what i mean. you learn it better by finding it out yourself. servus
2019-10-16 13:49
I am ignoring his arguments because they have no bearing to the actual discussion which is the spray pattern. Read #49 He jumped into a discussion with competely pointless information so of course do I ignore it
2019-10-16 13:51
#65
NiKo | 
Germany LXJ88 
they have if you think for more than 2s
2019-10-16 13:54
Do the spray patterns suddenely become easier when your bullets deal more damage? Or when they are more accurate? No, you still have to do the same mouse movements, one is harder than the other, that's the point I am arguing. You guys seem to be trying to argue that you won't need to spray the last 10 bullets because you kill the opponent beforehand but that just is not the point I am arguing and never have been
2019-10-16 13:57
#19
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Germany N4ime 
It is
2019-10-16 11:21
Then why do so many pro's struggle with it?
2019-10-16 11:22
#35
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Germany N4ime 
IDK but i find it easy
2019-10-16 12:07
#29
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United States 1for1discount 
these guys are delusional the ak spray is way harder than the sg spray
2019-10-16 11:31
+1
2019-10-16 13:20
nt silver
2019-10-16 13:16
Am I the only one thinking the sg spray is harder than the ak's?
2019-10-16 13:28
SG spray is easier Plus it has scope
2019-10-16 13:31
Easier to aim with scope especially long range. Basically full auto AWP when headglitching.
2019-10-15 11:13
#8
EliGE | 
Kazakhstan Elietsch 
It isn't OP as such. It's just too cheap. As SPUNJ said, don't nerf it anymore. Just up the price so it's something teams have to invest into rather than just making it an alternative to the AK.
2019-10-15 11:14
Upping the price is a nerf
2019-10-16 13:20
#45
EliGE | 
Kazakhstan Elietsch 
Semantics. What I mean by nerfing a rifle is changing it's spray pattern, fire rate, recoil etc. I don't consider increasing the cost of a weapon as "nerfing" as such. It doesn't change the rifle's fundamental usage. Just costs a bit more.
2019-10-16 13:24
It has a scope, so you can see enemies at long distances a lot easier
2019-10-15 11:14
It is better to use it without a scope mate
2019-10-15 11:16
i know, but the advantage it has over the ak is at long distances, when you should use the scope
2019-10-15 16:37
That is not the only advantage i mean
2019-10-16 11:21
#51
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Portugal Zedonp 
no it isn't It has better rate of fire and more armor pen than the ak So it is more viable both long and close range
2019-10-16 13:28
Lol don't Nerv any guns.. Just up their price and the game even gets more economical
2019-10-15 11:22
And way more snowbally...
2019-10-16 11:24
#16
shox | 
Italy DaDoar 
its basically a straight upgrade to the AK for only 50 dollars more, the gun itself isn’t really the problem, the problem is that its cheapness makes it impossible to pass, they should up price to atleast 3150 so you have to give up a molotov for it in tight money situations, if it gets costlier its p balanced
2019-10-15 11:24
It creates ugly and less skillful counter strike.
2019-10-16 11:24
#23
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Finland Volodya_21 
The worst part is that it kills with 3 bullets to the belly with crazy fast fire rate
2019-10-16 11:24
#30
NiKo | 
Israel soez4niko 
The spray seems very hard but you just have to pull down and left and you'il get accurate shots, wouldn't advice soing it at long distances tho
2019-10-16 11:31
#32
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Poland kinkers 
faster rate of fire, more bullet penetration i think and a scope that makes long range duels much easier
2019-10-16 12:05
#52
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Portugal Zedonp 
And close range as well It also recovers recoil faster so you can one tap at longer range faster
2019-10-16 13:30
Cheaper than before
2019-10-16 12:07
Shoots faster than AK
2019-10-16 12:21
too ez to use too op too cheap
2019-10-16 13:16
spray is easy cheap high armor pen first bullet really accurate high fire rate
2019-10-16 13:19
it's not the AK so it automatically must be worse in every single way, otherwise muh skin goes down in price!!! nevermind the fact it has lower base damage and a harder spray though tbh i wouldn't mind if it went up to like 2900
2019-10-16 13:20
#46
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Sweden crittaN 
more accurate, more damage per bullet (vs armor), higher rate of fire, easier spray. all this for a slightly longer reload time and a negligible (5 units/s) movement speed decrease, and 50 bucks more. ez choice
2019-10-16 13:26
#54
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Kazakhstan QJasaraL 
Its cost is only 50 bucks expensive than AK, but bullets fly "faster", first bullet accuracy a lot better, and so on... Then there is no reason to buy AK nowadays... I hope they (Valve) will increase its cost or return back AUG (however, i don't want this), cuz it's really hard for CTs...
2019-10-16 13:31
cuz sg aint no gay
2019-10-16 13:32
#56
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Netherlands Kaasplankje 
They should up the price to $3300 in my opinion.
2019-10-16 13:34
Honestly, the only maps I prefer the sg on are dust and nuke. But I think what everyone forgets is that it’s way more busted if a ct gets his hands on it. Stupid powerful on defense.
2019-10-16 13:38
#62
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United States KKonian 
Faster rate of fire deals more damage
2019-10-16 13:46
2019-10-17 17:31
3 shot, scope, one tap, only 50 dollars more than ak and better than autosniper, you can go long doors and one tap awper instantly, if awp misses first shot they ded if you know spray
2019-10-17 17:34
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