(talking American right-wing don't know shit about euros) how do you justify not believing in climate change or thinking that we don't need a public healthcare system or denying the advancements in science about trans people? seems like yall just want to believe in some fantasy about America that everyone can make it, and it's SAD!
"So let's say, for the sake of argument, that all of the water levels around the world will rise, by let's say 5 feet, over the next hundred years. Say 10 feet by the next hundred years, and it puts all the low lying areas on the coast underwater. Right, let's say all of that happens, do you think people aren't going to just sell their holmes and move?"
Except that scientists have been talking about climate change for decades but coal lobyists didnt care. Money is more important.
Trans people are valid. Science says so. Your feelings dont care about facts.
Ironically it's the climate lobbyists that are paying everyone off. There also happens to be zero evidence of man made climate change.
Trans people are braindead. That's why they just end up killing themselves.
Nobody says climate change is man made. There is evidence of humans speeding up the heating of the planet. And its based on quite well documented facts that have been around for decades.
Ok mr transphobe.
I have graduated high school. I know that earth's climate naturally changes. I havent found any science from a reliable source proving man made climate change is real.
Imagine trying to normalize a mental illness that leads to the death of those effected. Kys antifa scum
Yes climate change cycle is a natural thing. Earth heats up and cools down by itself. But that process is affected heavily by the ammount of green house gases in the atmosphere (such as CO2). This speeds up the natural heating of earth.
Nobody says climate change is man made. But everyone says we affect the rate at which the earth heats up. The earth heating unnaturally results in for example the ocean being warmer than normal and this leads to coral reef dying. And also ice caps melting.
Expected from a right winger to take facts out of context and use them to make their narative come off mentally sound. When in reality its just cherry picked arguments.
The reason why trans people kill themselves so much is because of people like you. If society accepted them and thought of them as normal humans. The suicide rate would be far lower. Since suicide isnt just "haha its a mental ilness thing". It is heavily based on their surroundings and the community they live in.
"Nobody says climate change is man made. But everyone says we affect the rate at which the earth heats up." 2 contradictory sentences. Nt.
Trannies wont be accepted as normal because they are vegetables. Most livestock are more intelligent. Not to mention it's a proven fact they have a ton of other mental issues that will lead them to suicide either way. In an odd way, I support transgenderism because it removes the weakest, most useless, and braindead people from the gene pool. If you are wondering, yes I'm a support of eugenics.
He's not baiting, you're just a fucking idiot that can only see your own side of the story. Honestly you might be baiting because you're doing exactly what the author of this thread said right wingers would do lmao
Either he is baiting or he's one of them braindead trannies. No reasonable human being can say it's natural and acceptable to be trans. Not to mention there is no science saying it's ok. Nt Cali marxist.
A reasonable way to prove your claims would be to present rigorous scientific studies which actually claim the same thing as you, not to present opinion pieces - regardless of their source's influence over you. When I heard the APA say that trans kids should transition, I didn't suddenly change my opinion on child abuse, I changed my opinion on the APA to "wow, they're fucking insane".
God: And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Climate nuts: sea levels are rising!!1
who should I trust?
Many of them most likely are, most? I don't think so. Show me some evidence to support your claim, because you're probably pulling numbers out of your ass just like you usually do.
There are lots of people who voted for Trump because they didn't want communist maniacs to ruin the country
ok then don't live in my country. I happen to think that if people are giving environments where they are allowed to succeed then they will. not living in this fantasy land that fucking over poor people at every turn will help them somehow
"About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyI.."
The 88% you speak of came from a sample of 25 girls. That's an EXTREMELY low sample size. This means that there would be LOTS of variability among the sample. Besides, the children were recorded at an age, presumably 2 or 3 like the article suggests. I wouldn't be surprised if this number was lower if people had gender dysmorphia at a slightly older age, when people are more conscious of their thoughts and feelings.
i was about to go on about the kids-growing-up-to-be-trans articles, but i realized that it doesn't matter. people change. it doesn't suggest much about trans people being mentally ill. in fact, according to your logic, they are "perfectly fine" if they end up being cis in the end. moving on...
WHOLE LOT OF SUICIDE ARTICLES. i'll take em all at once for your convenience.
suicide rates don't suggest mental illness. one thing to remember when viewing statistics: correlation doesn't mean causation. these suicide rates could very likely be that trans people aren't accepted in their families or communities and therefore don't feel comfortable on this earth.
"Only 21% of transsexuals can sucessfully pass as the opposite gender. Source: thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/r.."
this page is deleted. also, what the fuck does this have to do with trans people being bad?
"53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237"
this article also references depression a lot. BDP symptoms are more similar to emotional/mental distress rather than shit like schizo. this could very possibly be conservative (or just shocked) mothers unable to handle the fact that their child is trans. this may sound ridiculous, but i'm pretty someone like you would go nuts if their son was gay.
*note: wow a lot of these links are deleted. just realized this when i hit the jail one.
"1/3 transsexuals are being treated for mental health. Source: medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more..
85% of transsexuals show signs of psychological distress or have been recently treated for mental health. Source: medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more..
44% of transsexuals show signs of clinical depression. Source: medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more.."
these articles go against your argument. especially that first one, it talks about the likeliness that they develop depression and anxiety probably because of the difficulties they face which i've discussed before. it's real hard to survive when people are denying you being you.
i'd love to go on, but holy shit this wasted a lot of time. it wasn't worth it.
TL;DR, a lot of this shit is either not very reliable (high variability observational studies), worded incorrectly, or irrelevant to the argument that trans people are fucked in the head and need help
>The 88% you speak of came from a sample of 25 girls.
>suicide rates don't suggest mental illness
There is a correlation between mental illnesses and suicide
oh but correlation isn't causation so i'm wrong
>this page is deleted. also, what the fuck does this have to do with trans people being bad?
only 21% can successfully pass
>this article also references depression a lot. BDP symptoms are more similar to emotional/mental distress rather than shit like schizo. this could very possibly be conservative (or just shocked) mothers unable to handle the fact that their child is trans. this may sound ridiculous, but i'm pretty someone like you would go nuts if their son was gay.
Many of the people had BPD before their kid came out as trans if you read the study
>*note: wow a lot of these links are deleted. just realized this when i hit the jail one.
>these articles go against your argument. especially that first one, it talks about the likeliness that they develop depression and anxiety probably because of the difficulties they face which i've discussed before. it's real hard to survive when people are denying you being you.
It doesn't, they just disagree with the conclusion, the facts however are the same
How did I lose
He literally thought me quoting him was just copypasting what he said.
I have sources to back me up, he has nothing.
You're literally supporting pseudo-science made up by a child molester
He was one of the first researchers to publish theories on the influence of societal constructs of "gender" on individual formation of gender identity. Money introduced the terms gender identity, gender role and sexual orientation and popularised the term paraphilia
So you are trying to discredit this dead man's works because he had those views on pedophilia? Seems a bit desperate if you ask me.
Casual reminder that a lot of our "newer" studies on the human body, DNA and other biological studies were conducted at Auschwitz and brought to the Americans in trade after the war.
During subsequent appointments with Reimer and Reimer's twin brother Brian, Money forced the two to rehearse sexual acts, with David playing the bottom role as his brother "[pressed] his crotch against" David's buttocks. Money also forced the two children to strip for "genital inspections", occasionally taking photos. Money justified these acts by claiming that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity"
I guess he didn't technically molest the kids so my definition is a bit wrong, but you're still supporting this guy's widely discredited pseudo-science.
As my example with Auschwitz, it really doesn't matter how horrible of a human being you are. Psychology research is research, science is science. If Einstein turned out to be a mass murderer, it wouldn't make his theories any more, or less, correct.
But yeah I agree, it sounds like John Money was a terrible person... not that I think it would matter to you if he were doing research into something you agree with though.
That's a different discussion, one that I couldn't partake in since I hadn't even heard of the guy nor his research.. but it wasn't your first choice of pursuit for the sake of arguing, which tempts me to believe that "discredited" is a bit overstated.
It's all superficial though since you didn't provide a source on the matter and I haven't got a clue on the subject.
I like the BBC article, because it's simply facts set up to make your own mind.
As far as I can pick up, yes the study was flawed, but the overall studies on the subject might not be. As far as I've been able to find, he's simply one of the first people to do research on the subject, not the "go to".
Furthermore, I think it's a bit too straightforward to blame him directly and solely on their suicides... although he definitely messed up their lives to a certain degree.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
This man knows his stuff. If only everyone were awake, there would be world peace. But people will deny these simple statistics with "low sample size" or "correlation doesn't mean causation" crap. Wake up people!
'Denying the advancements in science about trans people? ' Laughed so hard at this one.
Are u a trans ?
The only science there is for transgenders is that they are wack as fuck and should stop crying and grow the fuck up.
I don't really believe in climate change because its been changed and had multiple identities for everytime it failed in its movement. Back in the day (like 1970-1980) they were predicting us going into another ice age. And i don't really care to even bother with it because if the USA completely cuts its CO2 emissions we would still go extinct from China, India and Africa. I also don't care for the transgender movement because its literally glorifying mentally ill people. It glorifies them so much that even normal people will do it just for social brownie points aswell as pushing it onto their kids so they can look like the cool progressive parents. idk im probably a racist tho right?
they said national socialism to try and get some of the working class on their side. but again your American so I don't expect you to have understood a very easy thing.
ALSO, THEY ARE FASCISTS SO........
Are you nuts. I believe in climate change but to this day have not heard one activist put out a solution. Should We all stop driving our cars? Ride horses and move back in to caves? How about the 20k nukes we have in the world, more scared about those.
How many decades are going to go by with liberal elites telling people we have 10 years to live and you still believe it? They printed that shit in Newsweek in the 70's....it's 2019. Climate Change is real to an extent but the liberal morons are using it as fear mongering to get more carbon tax dollars out of useful idiots who will believe anything.
That's a pretty shitty strawman argument and just to play devil's advocate, if someone decides to hate someone because of a such a trait then too bad. People have the right to be bigoted. Also we already don't accept bullying in western society
1. Climate change is over exaggerated, it's always happening anyways.
2. Public healthcare ruins the quality of healthcare, but improves the accessibility of it; I rather have hard working people have acces to the BEST healthcare than everyone having acces to mediocre healthcare.
3. Transgenders are scientifically still the gender they were born, even if they have surgery. They should not be allowed into military because you can't put lives in the hand of unstable people.
+1 everything on point.
Except personally i would think that if we are to "do something about climate change" it should be the ones that actually have an impact that should be punished and not us normal people.
1. Not really but go against the consensus
2.how about just have a public option and could you link me to your study showing that public healthcare makes healthcare worse.
3.they are the sex* and again there is no actual reason to keep them from the military
1. The first thing every kid learns in geography is that climate always shifts and changes and is never constant, so saying me stating that is going against the consensus is just silly.
2. The United States (without public healthcare) has much more money going around in the sector giving the opportunity for new methods to develop and also more funding for good and trained staff. They have (on average) the highest cancer survival rate in the world and have short waiting lists compared to countries with Public healthcare.
3. Sex= Gender, they are inseparable. They've always meant the same thing; hell there isn't even two words for them in most other languages because they are. Transgender people aka people with gender dysphoria are unstable and should not be serving in such an important organ.
1. That's cool, still gonna go with the people who dedicate their lives to studying these things.
2.ya and it's also expensive as shit and doesnt fucking work. Poor people need an option. I'm not saying ban private but have an option for public. Also would still love that study proving what your stateing
3. First sentence alone is just wrong so I assume everything else is too lol
1. Yep, I do too; but just the ones that are not paid off to falsify information and the ones that see correlation as causal links.
2. If we are talking about studies, I'd like to have your '' credible studies '' that show that climate change is SO drastic & man made that we MUST act now.
-> It's public information that cancer survival rates ( of those treated) are higher in the USA, so is the fact that the USA has a way higher healthcare expenditure per capita.
3. Just because you don't understand half the words in the sentence doesn't mean it's incorrect :)
Wait... didnt your hero Al Gore say we'd be underwater due to the melted polar ice caps by 2012?! What happened to that? Oh yeah that's right just another scam pushed by the UN. They literally laugh at you for being so gullible to billionaire scams.
In the d5 or d4 I can never remember they changed a few definitions clarified the differences between being transgender and having gender dysphoria and moved being trans out of the mental disorder category
i just don't think we should bankrupt the country trying to fight climate change if China wont budge considering they double what America pollutes. Especially in Canada where we only emit 1% of the worlds pollution yet half the partys running what to practically double the debt essentially booting us right into a recession.
Public Healthcare system is great for the less fortunate, however the wait times are insanely long in Canada where it was once considered a human rights violation, simply because people would die before they could see a doctor. If you have money you are going to go to the states and start treatment before you would even see a doctor in Canada. This is if you have money to spend. And because of this doctors are fleeing Canada to the states in mass numbers which makes it even worse in Canada
and im not sure what you mean by the science in trans people, i just know that the suicide rate among trans is above the concentration camps in WW2 but i dont judge if someone wants to lead that life
ok ignore the climate stuff i guess
but it is proven that the wait times in Canada are significantly longer than in the states, considering we pay it through taxes there is no virtual difference than paying upfront in the states. only difference is that you pay through time in Canada and you will die before you see a doctor whereas in the states you pay upfront but see doctors immediately
A 2018 survey conducted by the Fraser Institute found that wait times in Canada for a variety of medical procedures reached "an all-time high." In Canada, unlike in the United States, appointment duration (meeting with physicians) averaged under two (2) minutes. These very fast appointments are a result of physicians attempting to accommodate for the number of patients using the medical system. In these appointments, however, diagnoses or prescriptions were rarely given, where the patients instead were almost always referred to specialists to receive treatment for their medical issues. Patients in Canada waited an average of 19.8 weeks to receive treatment, regardless of whether they were able to see a specialist or not. This is juxtaposed with the average wait times in the United States. In the U.S. the average wait time for a first-time appointment is 24 days (~3 times longer than in Canada); wait times for Emergency Room (ER) services averaged 24 minutes (more than 4x faster than in Canada); wait times for specialists averaged between 3—6.4 weeks (over 6x faster than in Canada).
-I believe in climate change, but my debate is on whether humans have caused it and who has caused most of it. Even if the US completely changed its economy to suit global warming, Asia and most poorer countries of the world do not have such priority.
-Public healthcare system, simple, I do not want to pay higher taxes for other people. I earn my money and I already will have it taken away for stuff I don't want anyway, no need to make it worse. Private healthcare in the US means the quality of care is good, I'd rather not make an appointment expecting to wait 3-6 months for a bad situation just because public healthcare is "free" even though free = hiked up taxes.
-Advancements in science for trans folk, a trans person will never truly be the gender/sex they choose. Most commonly the process is MTF so I'll make an example out of that particular choice. Say the person goes through the plastic surgery and has the "appearance" of a woman, which many of them still never have, they can't function as a real woman. Medical science is not far enough to the point a woman can donate her sex organs and womb to make a man who feels like a woman become a real one. Trans people adopt or get surrogates, they can't have children, they do not have a uterus, or ovaries, or a womb, or any ability to give birth nor have menstrual cycles.
Have your own qualms about the American dream, that's your right, but hard work goes much farther than just complaining about crap 24/7