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zywoo baiting
Russia tonysh3 
whats the reason that players can perform alongside with zywoo in team? is alex so bad player, i guess not is shox who was playing good at g2 is bad player, same zywoo baiting stats per 3 last months saved by teammate 0.09 saved teammates 0.13 that means that zywoo is not on fireline, he is a trader. a GAP is big while shox per 3 last months saved by teammate 0.10 saved teammates 0.07 even s1mple known baiter is not baiting in this 3 last months having 0.08 in both stats all astralis squad have almost same numbers with gla1ve sacrificing for team mostly in eg cerq is baiter and ethan sacrifice himself
2019-10-16 12:39
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
i mean cant of course
2019-10-16 12:40
Then correct the post retard.
2019-10-16 20:58
Stfu You cant cheat on vac secured servers
2019-10-16 22:22
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India Bhookhiatma 
k
2019-10-16 12:40
#3
fisker | 
Sweden sweden4k 
zywoo best opening frag ratio in big events 2k19 so keep talking. Anyway ofc device, zywoo and s1mple are set up by their team. Thats the only way u get 1.25 + rating in t1 scene over a whole year Thats why Elige is so awesome, he isnt setup, he just plays and gets a monster rating
2019-10-16 12:41
he isnt setup lol now check this stats for elige while nitro die elige make kills
2019-10-16 12:43
#13
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France Snabe_ 
He is, learn french and listen to XTQZZZ interview where he talk about the team and how Vitaliy is build around ZywOo
2019-10-16 12:53
ok man seems like shox addition is not about firepower bcs he is baited too
2019-10-16 12:55
#83
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Finland Miroyev 
Team being built around zywoo doesn't mean all 4 of the others are just baits for him
2019-10-17 17:55
It is But team build around zywoo clearly will do all dirty job There is no second star in this team
2019-10-17 22:59
#37
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Ukraine s1v9mple 
I'm not defending the core statement of the thread, but opening kills are a flawed metric. An opening kill is defined by HLTV to simply be the first kill of the round. So in theory you could have 3 guys walk into a bombsite with the guy all the way at the back, shielded by his teammates, get the first kill before any of the 3 guys in the front get taken out. And that counts as an entry frag, Whereas getting the entry frag as the entry, the guy spearheding the charge, is much less likely. Thus some passive baiter like ecovice can get a ton of "entry frags", while dupreeh gets shit on for having bad stats, even though he was put at risk basically every single T side round.
2019-10-16 13:29
I know that opening frag is not same as entry and all the top openers are not entry but still, zywoo takes some entry with pistol and AK too not only AWP
2019-10-16 13:35
all awps are great in opening duels because they hold angles and get the first kill most of the time, despite playing from the back (device, zywoo, s1mpe, etc)
2019-10-18 00:07
+1
2019-10-16 13:41
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Why do russian people think they are smart when they are one of the dumbest ones with the likes of Turks and Polaks?
2019-10-16 12:42
Cos they have 1/3 dry land of whole world ? I think there should be some brains to keep it together and live like that for decades/centuries. Or maybe cos they have a lot of great minds, strong culture, writers, artists ? Or maybe cos they smarter than capitalistic sluts, that's why 1st world countries empoyeers prefer russian computer engineers and programmers and others specialists ? 0/8, no facts, no respect
2019-10-16 12:53
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Russia Hellyer 
Why do people still think that nationality is a criterion of an intellect lmao
2019-10-16 12:57
Because the education system, culture etc. are criterias that form the mind of youngsters. I am not denying the fact that an intellect can come from any place of the world, but if you dig deeper in the statistics, you'll find some correlations as well as discrepancies.
2019-10-16 13:13
#32
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Russia Hellyer 
Dig deeper for the statistics for me I want some confirmation of your words
2019-10-16 13:19
#66
Germany ayyy 
you think an average person from somalia is going to have to same education as an average chinese guy? you are actually just proving his point lmfao
2019-10-16 21:24
#70
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Russia Hellyer 
I didn't really get this analogy. What r you even trying to demonstrate? Russia as poor as Somalia?
2019-10-16 23:42
#71
Germany ayyy 
dude he literally wrote it down!?!??! "education system, culture etc. are criterias that form the mind of youngsters." what has any of those things to do with being poor?
2019-10-16 23:44
#36
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Russia cuba_libre10 
its an indicator.
2019-10-16 13:27
#6
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Namibia nawledge 
whats the reason that players can perform alongside with zywoo in team? is alex so bad player, i guess not is shox who was playing good at g2 is bad player, same zywoo baiting stats per 3 last months saved by teammate 0.09 saved teammates 0.13 that means that zywoo is not on fireline, he is a trader. a GAP is big while shox per 3 last months saved by teammate 0.10 saved teammates 0.07 even s1mple known baiter is not baiting in this 3 last months having 0.08 in both stats all astralis squad have almost same numbers with gla1ve sacrificing for team mostly in eg cerq is baiter and ethan sacrifice himself
2019-10-16 12:43
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Jame | 
Netherlands KarakurtJ 
U gae
2019-10-16 12:46
#8
EliGE | 
Kazakhstan Elietsch 
Who gives a shit? The way he plays is obviously great for Vitality so why change that?
2019-10-16 12:48
im not vitality coach if they have one just a facts s1mple baiting a lot too
2019-10-16 12:51
#9
African Union atts 
interesting stat tbh
2019-10-16 12:48
Team based game, play the way they think to win most events. This is the same for all teams.
2019-10-16 12:50
It's not even like ZywOo is the reason four people perform poorly. Not like 4 people set up ZywOo at the same time.
2019-10-16 12:56
but there is no 2nd star in vitality shox was 2nd star in g2 and he wasnt guy who sacrifice but on vitality he is in different position
2019-10-16 13:15
most fuunny fact that most known baiter in the world JAME have same stats in each category like all players in AVANGAR except.... SANJI saved by teammate 0.06 saved teammates 0.12
2019-10-16 12:53
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Japan Johnny_Br@Vo 
i think every team baits themself for their best player
2019-10-16 12:53
astralis literally have no baiters by this stats bcs they are team
2019-10-16 13:00
#75
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Japan Johnny_Br@Vo 
Astralis and liquid are exceptions and for astralis you don't need to bait when you can kill through smokes and nade
2019-10-17 06:36
#26
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Denmark Xipingu 
No.
2019-10-16 13:11
the stat can just mean that he doesnt need a teammate to save himself
2019-10-16 12:53
like they are playing 1+4 i dont think so zywoo go kill will not work man bcs if he will be caught by some setup with 2 mans, round is over for vitality want to check ct and t rating
2019-10-16 12:58
Nothing wrong with baiting if it actually wins you games
2019-10-16 12:58
shox has 1.03 rating in big events this year. his average performance has nothing to do with zywoo zywoo in opening kills: hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
2019-10-16 13:06
its not about openfrags its ez to do openfrags with awp on ct side let me check open frags on t side, real open frags i talk about tradings at all
2019-10-16 13:12
Do you even watch games...? Literally 0/8
2019-10-16 13:23
zywoo vs top5 in last 3 months 15 maps saved by teammates 0.08 saved teammates 0.15
2019-10-16 13:07
It's a normal fact for an awper that a player of u team bait for u
2019-10-16 13:08
jame and device have different stats equal both parameters
2019-10-16 13:13
#31
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Brazil mth^ 
Coldzera baiterestotou s1mple baiteresto ZywOo baiterestest NiKo baiteresting Dev1ce baiteresecoing
2019-10-16 13:16
device is not baiter by this stat others are
2019-10-16 13:19
#41
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
Device has never been a baiter, nor an eco fragger. People made that shit up because their favorites “S1mple, Niko, Cold, and ZywOo” is baiting and hunting eco kills.
2019-10-16 13:35
device just play too passive behind backs if we can say so
2019-10-16 13:37
#46
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
Imo thats how you use The awp. Aggressive with The riffles, passive with awp. Awp is a Big investment and getting caught trying to play aggressive Can lose you a whole round.
2019-10-16 13:38
he is playing right game thats why team is succesful but not flashy to be best player its like give golden ball to modric
2019-10-16 13:39
#57
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
If he is doing best and make his team win The important games, ofc he deserves it. Fuck of with being flashy, what does it matter if you end up losing?
2019-10-16 15:29
zywoo surely doesnt belong there and he deffo doesnt have good stats bcs of eco/exit frags
2019-10-16 20:20
#60
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
He is baiting tho. Not that there is anything wrong with that, as they set their whole gameplan up around him. The guy is a monster and imo the best player in the world.
2019-10-16 20:28
"He is baiting tho" he actually goes as first really really often on T side. he isnt passive and just waiting for refrags all the time like some other players. i mean sure, game plan of vitality is around him but he doesnt hide behind his team mates especially when it matters(important rounds, force buys etc)
2019-10-16 20:29
#62
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
Every stat in the world will tell you that he baits his teammates. Please stop... He is a mix of aggressive peaks and passive angles, but he is mostly 2nd or 3rd on T side, but often takes a quick peak on CT to get that first kill against a meta of over aggressive awpers.
2019-10-16 20:35
"Every stat in the world will tell you that he baits his teammates" which stats...? i rly would like to know
2019-10-16 20:35
Every stat? True... I guess having the best opening pick ratio on LAN in 2019 shows that, having the 3rd most entry frags of 2019 on LAN only behind 2 Liquid players in 2019 also shows the level of baiting, being the best multi fragger, best clutcher, best awper, one of the best riflers, probably the heaviest carry that's ever been seen in CS Go (all his team mates have terrible stats) really shows that my guy. He's basically like s1mple 2018 but on crack with an even worse team yet he's still good enough to carry them in tier 1 against the best teams in the world, Zyw0o is the most godlike player that ever touched this game and that's coming from one of the biggest s1mple fanboys on HLTV.
2019-10-17 17:51
Now remove ct open frags with awp by holding angle
2019-10-17 23:53
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France FrighTyyy 
Can you explain what do these "saved by teammates" and "saved teammates" stats have to do with baiting? You may be right, but I just don't understand.
2019-10-16 13:24
#39
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Europe Hosta_Mahogey 
Saved by teammate=you are first one to enter fight and your baiting friend kills the enemy = you are entry fragger Saved teammate=you enter fight after teammate and end up saving him = you are baiter - Hosta Mahogey
2019-10-16 13:34
#40
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France FrighTyyy 
That makes sence! Thank you
2019-10-16 13:35
i copy this saved by teammates How many times a teammate killed the attacker that was damaging this player within 1 second of the last attack. Data from 2016 and onward only, be wary of your sample size saved teammates How many times this player killed an opponent who was attacking a teammate, within 1 second of the last attack. Data from 2016 and onward only, be wary of your sample size stats measures like 0.10/round something like this
2019-10-16 13:36
Where did you get these stats btw?
2019-10-16 13:44
from players pages just go to individual tab
2019-10-16 14:15
Thanks men
2019-10-16 14:28
im wrong right on overview tab default one
2019-10-16 14:33
#38
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Ukraine s1v9mple 
HLTV logic: Everyone in the top 20 is a cheater and a baiter
2019-10-16 13:31
#45
ZywOo | 
Sweden Le_Dieu 
Actually watch matches or demos before you make claims buddy.
2019-10-16 13:38
youtube.com/watch?v=tTClH9VClDY dont see here how zywoo carry with opens but stats show +14 open frags actually see that he is going second always not first one
2019-10-16 14:17
Yea bro watch demos.
2019-10-16 14:37
#50
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Europe twitchy_ 
Because he's an awper that doesn't take a lot of risk. I mean, he's not like Device holding an angle for an hour, but he's something more like Guardian playing defensive and when someone wins a spot, he rotates to another place instead than being like S1mple pushing with Awp to get kills no matter what. He can wait 20 seconds staring to a wall until he hears the flash and then he goes out to get the kill, he takes risks and he have a lot of skill obviously, but their teammates are the ones giving info and being more on the 1vs1 situation. That's why most of the time he's the last player alive on Vitality, good thing for him is that he's able to clutch difficult situations, so it's fine.
2019-10-16 13:54
#56
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Denmark IsErGud 
He has wh
2019-10-16 14:38
#59
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Australia liazz_top2 
flag checks out s1mple is the real baiter
2019-10-16 20:23
Flag checks out Crying about s1mple When i actually mentioned that he is baiter too but not in new lineup with boombla
2019-10-16 22:36
Misinterpretation of stats. You can take literal meaning that he helps his teammates by saving them while s1mple,etc trade each other, wait for them to die and then trade. ZywOo positions himself like lets say on inferno at logs, he shoots the guy who is fighting his flashed teammate in banana while others will not be backing him up. While s1mple,device will position themselves to watch middle and trade when their teammate dies.
2019-10-16 20:56
Misinterpretation of facts Astralis not trading yeah for sure This stat by itself don't have much impact on kd difference, this just show playstyle In other numbers you could say that guy was saved 8 times in 100 rounds while he saved his mates 12 times. In other words guy will have 12 kills less and 8 deaths more in 100 rounds, nothing important. HLTV took only 1 second and your mate or you must be alive Now imagine 3-4 sec without condition to be alive You just can trade your dead mate or they can trade dead you Want to know percentage of trade kills in players stats I guess Sanji from Avangar as good as Zywoo bcs while all his team have equal stats God Sanji aka best trader with fastest reaction have 0.06 vs 0.12.
2019-10-16 22:35
how can u call him a baiter if he saves his teammates with 0.13 and gets saved by teammate only 0.09. How those stats are connected with baiting? Zywoo has best entry ratings. He is often the first man to go if he has no awp btw. I've seen him running first into the meatgrinder like million times.
2019-10-17 01:09
you cant understand i guess first stat shows that you on fireline second shows that your mate is on fireline all people aim at the first(closest) guy #52 watch highlights and show me how often he goes first when he actually goes million of time here its ez to give openfrags with awp on ct side where is t side only open rating?
2019-10-17 16:11
This is not the case. These stats are not that important and never were considered as baiting. This is just another try from simple's fangay to deal with the fact zywoo is currently way better. Those stats u posted just show who's getting saved after taking damage (1 hp lost can be considered as save as well, which is stupid). This stat was never influential and was never included in the ratings. Here's what u need to know as simple's bitch (link below). s1mple is not even on that list. He plays with teams from top 30. He will need to play like god to get that #1 back. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01..
2019-10-17 17:21
Expected from ua Just lower map counter Hello there Im not a s1mple fan I called him a baiter here But you clearly zywoo fan or s1mple haiter
2019-10-17 22:54
That is my point retard. He is not even in there. He has not enough maps.
2019-10-17 22:59
Hello hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. He is not even in top 30)))
2019-10-17 22:55
he is not there because he only plays against top30 or worse, retard.
2019-10-17 22:58
Lul dumb hater It clearly shows top20 i just make map counter lower Simple is first
2019-10-17 23:00
why do u make map counter lower. Put top 10 same result. He is not playing against top teams enough.
2019-10-17 23:01
Bcs navi skip events and shuffled 2 times Difference between zywoo and s1mple in map counter is lower than between zywoo and liquid guys. Put top5 there is no zywoo. S1mple have lower maps but have better kd difference somehow(bcs he is baiter)
2019-10-17 23:13
You are clearly simple's fangay. Zywoo always has ~20% more maps against best teams. And he still manages to have the same or better ratings that simple. Maps number is super important since its hard to maintain good stats vs good teams. Statisticaly it is easier to finish the game with bad stats than with 1,3. So the more maps u play, the more ur stats will tend to 1. Simple as it is. S1mple has chances to be top1 this year. I cant take that away from him. But u have to be blind to not understand that currently zywoo is better.
2019-10-17 23:22
Who said to you that i put s1mple number one? Elige have 30 percent more maps than zywoo ,have 1.2 rating and a lot titles. Maybe he is top1?
2019-10-17 23:25
+1 Could happen easily.
2019-10-17 23:29
S1mple have chances to be top1 only if he will be mvp of all rest events. Right now he is not even top3
2019-10-17 23:26
+1
2019-10-17 23:28
#24 its even more
2019-10-17 16:12
That stat is super good tho. 0.15 average saves... he always saves that shitty team. Vitality is not even close to being relevant without him.
2019-10-17 17:29
Ridiculous how little some people understand the game.
2019-10-16 23:45
its cause zywoo can clutch . id bet my money on him over s1mple
2019-10-17 01:10
2019-10-17 17:37
Liquid just more maps but not awpers Others 2 awpers with ez ct side open kills
2019-10-17 23:35
Imagine playing Inferno and getting a triple entry on t side taking b bomb site by yourself and people calling you a baiter.
2019-10-17 17:39
Happens every round with zywoo No doubt Zeus can do it too i saw it
2019-10-17 23:36
I'm not saying it happens every round, I'm saying this guy literally does everything for that garbage team and carries washed up French bots in tier 1 on his back, with entries and clutches and people call him a baiter.... If you take Zyw0o off Vitality they are tier 10 at best.
2019-10-18 15:23
"is shox who was playing good at g2 is bad player" Its not 2016 anymore,man.Its 2019 and shox has been an average player for almost 3 years,and failed as an igl.
2019-10-17 23:14
I remember a time hltv actually had decent players, looks like gold novas joined somewhere along the line. Go back to fucking reddit you stupid twats, your opinions are uncalled for.
2019-10-17 23:29
Russia Reddit You are more Reddit user than me
2019-10-17 23:54
Russia HLTV you are too retarded for HLTV.
2019-10-17 23:59
I remember a time when people do not write useless opinions about useless opinions
2019-10-18 00:02
hopefully you'll soon remember to fuck off.
2019-10-18 00:08
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