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Macbook is fucking garbage.
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India Bill_Baits 
So I play CS on macbook pro 2019, it's a fucking $3000 USD laptop and it's simply garbage for anything other than video/photo editing. CS is so buggy, I literally have to restart it 2-3 times before it's playable. Sometimes cursor disappears, sometimes sound not working, sometimes clicks not registering and so on. On to[ of that, I have binded duck to command, so when I press command + Q to switch weapon while ducked, it quits the entire game. I don't understand how can they get away charging double the price for this shit.
2019-10-20 19:55
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Works on a 2015 macbook, so you got scammed
2019-10-20 19:56
+1 but expected from indian
2019-10-20 19:57
Don't expose me wtf
2019-10-20 19:57
i have 2015 macbook pro and doesn't work for me either.
2019-10-21 15:16
I've had some of the problems he's had, but not quite as bad. The sound only doesn't work when I close my mac for a few minutes with CS:GO open. The only major problem is clicks not working, but I haven't had any time where it doesn't fix itself after one restart of the game, which only takes 2 minutes.
2019-10-23 00:56
+1 lol
2019-10-21 21:36
#128
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Latvia hellsave 
sad truth, really 2015 runs cxsgo better than 2019 :{ got both
2019-10-23 00:15
Why u using one
2019-10-20 19:56
#87
Xyp9x | 
Denmark Soeggi21 
He probably has work, and needed one. Then he didn't have money for an extra pc for gaming. Just a guess.
2019-10-21 20:28
A PC half the price of that mac could play CS and do work better
2019-10-23 20:02
Some people think it is easier with mac for video editing and stuff. I am not one of them.
2019-10-24 11:06
#4
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Germany Trax_ 
expected
2019-10-20 19:57
#5
shox | 
France Sopraba 
>buying macbook pro >playing cs choose one bro
2019-10-20 19:57
#12
JD | 
Poland PanArek 
+111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-20 20:04
#15
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
+111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-20 20:05
#18
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Denmark RuStY_pls_eat 
+11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-20 20:06
#24
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Bulgaria gosholin 
+111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-20 20:26
+11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-20 22:13
+999999999999999999999999999999999999
2019-10-20 22:21
+111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2019-10-21 09:14
+1111^1111
2019-10-20 22:22
+11111111111111
2019-10-20 22:23
- buying any macbook - playing choose one bro FTFY
2019-10-21 04:08
only idiot who play cs in macbook
2019-10-21 04:48
+11111111111111111
2019-10-21 20:27
#91
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Canada ProvexPyker 
+1111111¹111111¹¹¹¹111111 Imagine paying $3000 on a laptop, just to do something it's not made for 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️ Op is stupid
2019-10-21 21:30
#7
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United States bigsex69 
lmfao my 13 inch 2013 macbook plays csgo better than that scammed by tech support? either way why use a macbook for gaming? let alone csgo?
2019-10-20 19:58
All apple products since Steve jobs' death have been dogshit /closed
2019-10-20 19:59
#11
JW | 
India l3thality 
+1
2019-10-20 20:03
/opened +1 /closed
2019-10-20 20:06
+1
2019-10-21 21:35
#9
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Sweden bakish 
Dude, what de_fuck did you expect? They are purpose built for professionals. Think video editing, programming, music making and that kind of autistic shit. If you wanna play games, you use windows, always have been, always will be :-)
2019-10-20 20:02
#19
shox | 
India prat_pps 
exactly. This dumbass is autistic. I use my 13 for college and Xcode. been learning swift.
2019-10-20 20:07
#22
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Sweden bakish 
They are the best for programming, hands down. At home tho - I always use windows, because I like to play games like most of us :-P
2019-10-20 20:09
Best for programming? Try linux man, you will thank me later xD
2019-10-23 00:10
#126
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Sweden bakish 
I have, and my answer still stands for me, as I'm "just" a front-end dev No need to ever rm -rf
2019-10-23 00:12
Ahh I got it now, guess that is right. Good for you then, I love Mac aswe, just use it for different stuff.
2019-10-23 00:16
#131
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Sweden bakish 
They are nice, they have their benefits. But I would never try to play CS:GO on one :-PpPp Cheers mate
2019-10-23 00:17
How is MacBook better for editing'n stuff?Cant you do the same on Windows?
2019-10-20 22:29
#101
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Sweden bakish 
Sure you can - but osx is unix, it has everything you need from the get go, its just proper for programming. But yeah, I do equal amounts of programming on my windows machine
2019-10-22 23:10
cant u just program on a windows machine?
2019-10-20 22:30
#39
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
you can obviously but most devs don't do it, same goes for csgo, you can on macos but most noobs don't do it
2019-10-20 22:33
why most devs dont do it
2019-10-20 22:33
#41
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
cuz linux/osx or in general unix derivates have the better environment for everything regarding software engineering, except .NET shit probably
2019-10-20 22:36
#48
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
actually windows subsystem for linux is working pretty good no need for dualboot for me at least))
2019-10-21 03:01
Yes, this was a good feature to add... but it's still trash compared to OSX's terminal (as expected). Hopefully it keeps on improving.
2019-10-22 23:57
#67
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Australia t0rrent 
If by professionals you mean professional idiots then that is correct
2019-10-21 05:08
#84
Germany pmb  
+1
2019-10-21 15:24
#10
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United States ferric 
You shouldn't be playing CSGO on a non-gaming laptop. The Macbook is great as a student laptop and for its free video editing software.
2019-10-20 20:02
why good for students . ?
2019-10-20 22:32
#42
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United States ferric 
Very reliable and easy to use (at least in my opinion) and if you or a family member works for Apple, they are much more affordable than the competing Windows laptop.
2019-10-21 02:34
but no rgb mens((((
2019-10-21 02:50
because thats not for gaming
2019-10-21 04:49
#92
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Will definitely last you through 7 years, reliable, light weight, fast, it's pretty much everything you want for a student work laptop. It may be overpriced, but still best at what it does.
2019-10-21 21:34
#73
KSCERATO | 
Brazil [0x0] 
>free you pay the extra cost when you buy the mac retard
2019-10-21 07:53
or you could get a normal priced laptop and get premiere pro for free lol
2019-10-22 23:56
Isn't it what you can just expect from apple products?
2019-10-20 20:05
#14
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Why is God's name would you game on a MacBook( unless you got an egpu). MacOS surely isn't for everyone but it definitely has its use cases.
2019-10-20 20:05
What is it good for
2019-10-20 20:07
looking good
2019-10-20 22:15
flexin
2019-10-20 22:29
Software engineering is a massive use case.
2019-10-21 02:55
fix it then i thought you were working in an IT service lul
2019-10-20 20:11
stopped reading at "So I play CS on macbook pro 2019"
2019-10-20 20:07
#23
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United Kingdom YOUR_BOSS 
I'm playing cs go on MacBook Air 2015 70-80fps and everything is fine
2019-10-20 20:10
70 fps Everything fine Pickone
2019-10-20 22:20
#69
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United Kingdom YOUR_BOSS 
lol
2019-10-21 07:28
Which is pretty good, generally I get about 30 FPS, which is still playable.
2019-10-23 00:57
#27
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Slovakia itsab8 
MacBook is shit for anything other than a very light video and photo editing, a little more complex render in AfterEffects made it throttle pretty fucking hard. Keyboard feels extremely fragile. That overpriced shit just can't beat Lenovo's T, P & X series.
2019-10-20 22:19
nt Lenovo marketing assistants coffemakers tablecleaners waterboilers toiletcleaners paperroll replacer
2019-10-20 22:22
#36
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Norway NoeNOR 
nt, mac top 1
2019-10-20 22:30
it's trash
2019-10-21 02:51
#85
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Norway NoeNOR 
nt erdogan
2019-10-21 20:24
Macbook Pros are the best platform you could ever own if you are a software engineer or anything related to tech. By miles.
2019-10-21 02:53
Not by miles anymore, Linux desktops has evolved into something beautiful. youtube.com/watch?v=AQ2QcWFg3OM
2019-10-21 03:04
No, they still are the best. By miles. Tons of shit isn't developed, or updated, for Linux distros. Also, let's not forget that MacOS is unix-based BUT it has access to microsoft products unlike Linux distros. That's massive if you're planning on using your personal laptop for work. Also, I implore you to trust a linux distro working 100% of the time hooking up to a projector for a presentation. It's like crossing your fingers and just hoping you don't have to dive into your terminal for half an hour to figure out why it can't find the projector while clients are waiting. Ever heard the phrase "It just works"? That's a huge factor for engineers. I work with Centos every day and trust me, shit doesn't work all of the time. Shit that gets in the way of actual work that had nothing to do with actual progress on your program.
2019-10-21 03:13
#77
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Slovakia itsab8 
You are mostly right, "it just works" is good enough for 90% of people. But I still prefer Lenovo Ts with Win/Lin dualboot. The main drawbacks for me are keyboard and repairability, I just can't get over how fragile MacBook keyboards feel and if something goes wrong you basically can't repair it yourself, I suppose that's the price of having a thin and light machine.
2019-10-21 11:25
Yeah, the keyboard is the only 100% viable gripe I've seen across the board. The overheated and other issues are extremely rare issues that people dove into to shit on Apple. The keyboard is an actual flaw. I wouldn't say it's horrible, but it was 100% a poor design choice. Extremely innovative in regards to compressing their laptops, but sometimes being innovative like that can backfire. I've ran into a few issues with the keyboard. 99.99% of the time it works perfectly and I love it, but there are times when something does get in the keyboard and gets in the way of typing for a bit. It works itself out pretty quickly, though. They are moving away from the butterfly keys with the new macbooks, though. So that gripe will go away soon.
2019-10-22 05:04
Sure I agree... I started using commodore computers in 1984 and been using all Windows versions since v3.1, now I am using Windows, MacOS and Linux on my computers, yes MacOS is currently the best overall but Linux is closing the gap quickly these years and as a software developer myself I can make a Linux install work with the software I need, and many people can just install latest Ubuntu and it's ready to go, hardware support has gotten much better but again, yes, make sure you can get linux drivers for your hardware and then it just boils down to the specific apps you need and not using a rolling release distro. I am seriously considering switching my parents off Windows to Linux because once you make it work with your hardware it's actually less prone to crashes than Windows and other crappy things happening, like long weird complicated updates for apps and whatnot. So yes, MacOS is the best, but if you can make a Linux distro work then do it.
2019-10-21 14:13
#28
23 | 
Austria cm_attack 
nt microsoft
2019-10-20 22:20
#43
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Canada Herodionus 
GUYS I BOUGHT A 4 MILLION DOLLAR BUGATTI AND MY FRIENDS 70,000 DOLLAR TRUCK CAN TOW MORE WTFFFF
2019-10-21 02:41
That's a weird analogy, considering the only thing you use a Mac for is either video editing or programming. And the editing is mainly just because the majority of the editing software are either Mac exclusive or better supported on Mac, not because the brand is physically better suited for it either.
2019-10-21 09:09
#81
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Canada Herodionus 
Hardware for editing or professional work is often not suited to video games. I used to game on a server class laptop that I bought for cheap and fixed, the total cost new was about 6 grand with a 3 grand graphics card. However in terms of performance it was about equivalent to a 1070 or a 1070ti
2019-10-21 15:13
For 3k dollars you can probably get 3x the performance for video/photo editing and gaming, your fault for buying that piece of crap. At least get an ASUS or MSI laptop men)))
2019-10-21 02:48
No, you couldn't. For gaming, yes. But for anything else, no. Macbooks are engineered from the ground up to be the most balanced laptop you could own in regards to performance and battery life. Also, MacOS runs train on other platforms.
2019-10-21 02:55
lol are you for real ? macbooks are overheating piece of shit machines which are thermal throttling and using 2012 hardware. Even the ones with high end cpus can't perform well because the cooling is absolute garbage OMEGALUL. youtube.com/watch?v=SOH0hdYR36Y youtube.com/watch?v=-P5UWEKSUXo They are absolutely not worth the money in any way.
2019-10-21 03:02
1. I haven't heard of a single machine that has overheated from anyone around me who uses them. Just because some dude on Youtube claims they can have issues doesn't mean shit. All that means is they have experienced a handful, when millions own them, coming into their shop 2. 2012 hardware is laughable. The new Macbook Pro has an i9 in it and the SSD rivals the 960 pro, which is the fastest consumer grade M2 drive out there, and has already broken over five all time records for laptop screens in regards to gamut, color accuracy, nit, contrast, etc. 3. They are worth it if you actually know what you need and about hardware/software. I work with Linux every day at work as I'm a software engineer and I would NEVER even remotely think about getting anything outside of a Macbook Pro for personal laptop usage that I might use for work from home. Same with every coworker I work with who has been in the field for decades. Ultrabooks, Dell XPS, etc all rival Macbook Pros in pricing when you run direct comparisons. No professional is going to buy a shitty plastic gaming laptop that shits out after two years, has plastic clicking, fans throttling while opening word, speakers blowing, trackpads failing to work, screens disconnecting, etc, etc. They leave that to people like you who only stare at specs on paper.
2019-10-21 03:07
You think having i9 in a macbook is gonna give you the full performance of an i9 when the cooling is a joke ? I linked you videos that have the comparisons and all the proof you need. Apple is just for show, nothing else. If you want performance just go and build a PC, which will get you about 2x the performance if you spend the same amount of money. Only thing i can say that apple does is good is the screens, their screens look really good, but if you have the money there's always a better alternative monitor. If you can't use a laptop, it's your fault. I've used many shitty laptops and never had those problems, now that i built my own PC i don't have to worry about performance either. I like how your reasoning is laptop frames being made of plastic and some user errors. You literally have zero real reasons to give lmao
2019-10-21 03:21
Bro, quit comparing laptops to desktops. I have a desktop setup worth over 5,000 dollars overall that is of course running Windows. You want a real reason? Aight fam. 1. MacOS is the main reason. It's Unix under the hood while having a front end that rivals anything from Microsoft. Meaning if you are a developer you have access to nearly all tools/packages provided to Linux distros, while having a bash shell native to the platform. This is key to developers not looking to deal with ex-Windows based machines. I'll get into this in a bit. 2. MacOS provides you access to Microsoft tools from within the store itself. Guess what doesn't have Microsoft software? Yeah, Linux distros. In a professional world, where you actually work for a company and not game, this is a godsend for documentation. As in, you have nearly the entire backend of any Linux distro with it being Unix-based while having a great frontend with access to all software required to create professional documentation. No, openoffice products or other shitty open-source products DO NOT work out in a professional corporate world. I know this first hand as I had an open office doc, that I exported to .docx, rejected within a minute. 3. Build quality. You will NOT beat the overall build quality of a Macbook Pro. Nothing has come close other than maybe a select few Dell XPS lines. The system was designed/engineered from the ground up for build quality in tandem with knowing EXACTLY what parts would be put in their machines. This is massive if you actually work in an engineering/design field as you are able to fine tune your product if you are in control of what goes in it. If you are entirely open to what goes into it you have way less control. Throughout the years you will not find an overall package outperform a Macbook Pro in regards to the keyboard, touchpad (especially this), battery life, speakers, case, etc. Nothing comes close overall. I have owned a few 2,000+ dollar asus and sager laptops. They had issues such as plastic clicking, touchpads not working if too much pressure was applied where your hands rested, speakers on both blew at normal listening volumes, screens would flicker if tilted to a specific angle, keys would stop working, charging ports had issues connecting within months, within months the fans would throttle to 100% while doing tiny tasks, etc, etc. The user experience was horrible. I have not had a single issue with my Macbook Pro in three years. I can't even think of even something as small as "Touchbar didn't work for half a second". Just doesn't happen unless you're unlucky. 4. Overall user experience. Factor in the build quality here. You can cry all night about random youtube videos shitting on them for overheating, but it's not a problem at all other than select use cases leading to it or unlucky customers that were less than 1% of the overall customer base. It's a non-issue. As for user experience, these machines were engineered from the ground up with ALL parts part of the discussion. They make all of their decisions around general user experience including performance vs battery life. Other laptop lines do not factor that in at all. You can complain about performance, but they do it on purpose. They find the perfect balance for that time period. I can tell you have never owned a 2,000+ dollar windows based laptop. Shit would have a five minute battery life within a few months. You would have to run your screen at the lowest brightness, turn off backlights on keyboards, go low performance mode, simply to work on a fucking powerpoint document for class if you didn't have access to a charging port. Horrible user experience when factored in with the build quality. EVERYTHING is factored in and designed in tandem. Including the cooling system regarding noise. People were retarded and used them for rendering 4k videos for hours on end and got mad they slowly ran into heat issues. Guess what does that as well? ANY LAPTOP. My 2500 dollar sager that was 10 times the size of my macbook pro, had more airflow, and "gaming" related cooling systems overheated massively while rendering videos. It happens with laptops and is a bullshit thing to bring up. 5. OS updates. You gain the "enterprise" edition of MacOS no matter what. It's the full blown OS out of the gates. You also have 100% access to ALL future releases. Meaning you could have a 10 year old Macbook laying around, boot it up, and upgrade immediately to the newest release without paying a cent. Imagine the costs if you went through official channels to upgrade from Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Enterprise. Don't know if you know this, but a ton of features that developers would need are paywalled on Windows. You don't know this because you don't know shit about software. Just for me to be able to remote into my home desktop was 100 dollars to upgrade the OS. And don't bring in unofficial ways to get windows shit. Not a part of the discussion. It's like someone saying "CoD is just as cheap as CSGO cuz u can torrent it lmfao". That's not the focus. 6. Resale value. My Asus and Sager at 2,000+ dollars were already hundreds of dollars less right when I opened the box. Guess what I could still sell for over 1500 dollars now? Yeah, my 2016 Macbook Pro. Didn't think about that, did you? You save more money on a 2,600 dollar Macbook Pro compared to a 2,000 dollar Windows based machine in the long run by a drastic margin. You need any more? I can dive A LOT deeper into each area as I'm a software engineer who actually uses a Macbook Pro. Trying to keep it "short".
2019-10-21 04:02
bruh i was talking about hardware but only thing you're talking about is the OS and the software, why are you changing the topic ? Btw you can get windows keys fro cheaper in a legal way too, of course you can also torrent it but it's not my problem you had to pay that much. Here's a demonstration of the "great build quality" you are talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=nwg5ALCQc4k Also, that overheating wasn't a select case, it was a real problem adressed by apple itself, they simply didn't bother designing a new cooling system and used the old one instead. Have fun with your soldered ram and storage. I'll just say "hackintosh" and wish you a nice day.
2019-10-21 04:47
#80
Musab | 
Egypt arabamer 
u owned this apple fagboy lul. Macbook 13 got a cooler which is not connected to the heat sink.. omegalul. steve jobs fanboys
2019-10-21 14:28
Yep, another user regurgitating useless/outdated slander. 1. The Macbook Air internals and chassis are all engineered around each other. Meaning from the ground up Apple designed it to their needs regarding air flow. Other laptops do not do this as they simply make the chassis massive, even if it's not needed, in order to support random third party hardware. They do not engineer their systems for airflow, but instead allow third party to handle it for the most part. Once again, read my original post and use your brain for two seconds. These systems are engineered from the ground up. 2. Generally the common practice is to have airflow cool off the heat sink of the CPU directly. As in, fans blow air onto the heatsink. That's what they use in their larger models. With the Macbook Air they went for another design that allows airflow to cool the chassis off and create an indirect airflow to the heat sink. The CPU is only 7 watts, so it literally isn't an issue to begin with. You made an issue out of nothing. 3. The other user is retarded. No Macbooks were overheating. The geek squad community on youtube confused clocks dropping to base speed with throttling. The only real occurrence of REAL throttling was when Apple released the i9 chips in their macbook pros. The issue was fixed in the next patch and they no longer, ever, drop below base clock speed. There is no overheating issue. It's all made up due to people misunderstanding what throttling truly is. In a laptop the base clock speed of your CPU is the ONLY guarantee under 100% load. People were seeing drops in CPU clock speeds, above the base clock speed, as throttling at 100% load even though it wasn't. You guys need to do some research.
2019-10-22 18:24
i love those brand addicted lolos : youtube.com/watch?v=iiCBYAP_Sgg get a grip and dont waste ur money
2019-10-23 15:01
1. You only talking about hardware shows how little knowledge you have in fields related to engineering. It's about the overall platform. Apple's goal is to provide an overall balanced platform to the user. A platform you will NOT get outside of Apple. So if you like their ecosystem, kernel, OS, and overall hardware you go with their products. If you don't, you don't. It's as simple as that. Tired of these ignorant gamers thinking they know about software/hardware because they plugged in some hardware to their PSU. In the end you have to look at it differently. If someone came up to me and said,"You can either have a 4,000 dollar system with Linux on it or a 2,500 dollar system with Windows on it and you cannot change from those operating systems no matter what" the overall platform is the important part, not the specs. I would obviously take the 2,500 dollar system with Windows on it for personal use and gaming even though the hardware on the 4000 dollar system was better. It's not complicated. You OBVIOUSLY don't need MacOS while others do for their daily use case. Don't get it, as simple as that. I would pay 1000 dollars just for MacOS if it came to it because of what it provides related to my work. I don't know if you know this, but across the board software costs a SHITE ton more than hardware. Some licensing in corporate environments costs tens of thousands of dollars per month just to use the software legally. Hardware is literally never a concern compared to software. But yes, keep looking up "pC sPeC bUiLdEr" sites like you know anything. 2. I literally covered the EXACT thing you stated regarding windows keys yet you skipped right over it. Again, I could give a single shit about how cheaply you can find the windows keys. When comparing companies you have to compare their set prices. It's what they consider the software to be worth. Just because people are selling unused keys they got alongside their CPU or something from microcenter doesn't mean that's a valid comparison to another company's pricing. Let's look at it this way. If a new World of Warcraft expansion came out and it's priced at 100 dollars everyone would get mad, right? Well, your buddy comes along and said he got a free key to the expac. Does that mean the 100 dollar price tag is somehow removed for the overall population or that Blizzard was in the right for pricing it at 100 dollars? 3. Overheating, once again, wasn't an issue. Yeah, it gained public attention but once again you skipped over what I said. People were rendering large videos and shit on laptops. ANY laptop will overheat given time. They do not have the cooling that desktops have, at all. A Macbook Pro will not overheat from having a programming IDE open, a few terminals, and 20 tabs on chrome. A Macbook, alongside ANY laptop you name, WILL overheat given time rendering 4k one hour long videos without supplemental cooling. Apple of course addressed it since it garnered some attention. Any company addresses shit like that. Doesn't mean anything. 4. You throwing out "hackintosh" shows how utterly braindead you are. You haven't actually used any computer for work, have you? It's especially clear you haven't had any experience in anything related to the engineering world in a corporate environment. First off, having illegal builds on laptops you will potentially use in a work environment is a huge no go no matter who you work for. Second off, hackintoshes are useless for professional work related to engineering. The releases are all outdated and are not updated alongside the official OS. Guess what is continually updated? Yeah, the packages/dependencies you use for work and especially in the software engineering world. For example the latest hackintosh release could be a few updates behind. You may need to update certain packages for a piece of software you are working on to the current version due to certain exploits with the outdated versions. Updated third party packages DO NOT always work with outdated operating systems. They develop in tandem with the current release. Meaning you're sitting there with a cute little hackintosh not able to do jack shit. Yeah, you don't know shit about what you're talking about. Just regurgitating bullshit from "gAmEr" youtube channels. Have a nice one.
2019-10-22 18:10
As for soldered components: "Sizewise, soldering allows to not have annoying thick connector ports for the ram drives, and you go from 2 levels of PCBs (motherboard pcb stack with ram pcb), to one level PCB. So that's a thickness reduction. If you have a soldered ram, you are more free to choose where to put it amongst all the other components. Maybe you want to put two memory modules on each side of the cpu, maybe that makes a more efficient circuit layout. You can fit things more freely, which may lead to smaller, more compact motherboard layouts, which in turn leads to either smaller overall footprint, or more space for battery cells. A socketed/pluggable ram, you have to have a straight line of the connector and all the circuit routes for the data bus. Cooling-wise... idk if it has any true effect, but in theory, with a soldered ram, you (as a manufacturer) know where it is, and you can route a heatsink to those chips. Heck, link a heatsink to the system fan if you feel like it. With socketed ram, you cannot support any system-connected heatsinks, and any aftermarket sinks will take up extra room again. (But, reiterating... I've no clue if laptop ram needs to be heatsinked. On desktop ram sticks, you often see those metal heatsink covers nowadays... not so much on laptop sodimm sticks. But I recall that a popular mod for a tiny pocket-laptop (gpd pocket, had one a while back) was to put thermal pads bridging the ram and the metal case, to dissipate overall motherboard heat more). In reality, I suspect it's mainly a size/thickness driven decision. Modern world likes thin laptops."
2019-10-22 18:28
I'm sure apple didn't put as much effort into their products as you did into this reply, it's sad to see that you're desperately trying to defend a piece of trash lol in the end i'll be the one with the better hardware. Enjoy your shitty ass laptops lmao
2019-10-22 23:12
Oh, just saw you were from Turkey. Forgot you guys can't afford decent products over there.
2019-10-22 23:43
lol i like your desparate attempt to attack my flag but just know that my rig is better than anything you can buy from apple rn
2019-10-23 00:53
turkey: 1- usa brand fangay: 0
2019-10-23 15:07
#146
rko | 
Saudi Arabia WWF 
Sounds like typical apple hater. Tries too hard
2019-10-23 15:43
#68
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Australia t0rrent 
My $800 laptop runs as good as a macbook
2019-10-21 05:09
Why do people vomit when people say they play on a macbook duh
2019-10-21 04:04
It's your own fault for buying a mac and expecting it to be good at csgo.
2019-10-21 04:09
Next time do a little research, please. Nevertheless you can simply sell it, buy a $1000 Pc setup including monitor and everything, buy a $700-1000 laptop and put $1000 on your savings account. Then you can play csgo at 300 fps 100 hz, have a perfectly fine laptop for university/work and make a round trip through 10 countries with the leftovers. By the way, it's not Apples fault, its valve not caring about the MAC version.
2019-10-21 04:11
#89
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Russia idjetruski 
still, its just stupid using a mac for gaming, you can basically fry an egg with how hot it turns while gaming
2019-10-21 20:38
it gets that hot if you watch a 1080p video
2019-10-21 21:25
#100
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Russia idjetruski 
nah it doesn't, its true that is not designed for gaming, but for everything else and work, a mac is top level
2019-10-22 19:31
I guess you don't use one, I have one and yes, playing high definition videos makes it run hot, the downside of wanting it to be rather quiet
2019-10-23 01:55
#167
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Russia idjetruski 
i do have a 2018 one and that never happened to me :)
2019-10-24 20:09
who the fuck plays games with an apple pc or laptop lmfao
2019-10-21 04:48
#70
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Europe Kilian_9047 
Its okay when you have a decent 17,3 inch windows notebook, but mac is just pure trash
2019-10-21 07:46
Spend 3K for macbook and use it for playing cs You better buy PC gaming instead
2019-10-21 04:51
SCAMMED
2019-10-21 05:05
#71
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Nepal ramann 
MBP is actually not for playing games, but for making game. :)
2019-10-21 07:48
#72
steel | 
Brazil 1930 
I hate having to work with mac, iPhones shouldn't exist. Always so buggy to fix css, having to test on iPhone almost every single css I edit is painful
2019-10-21 07:52
#74
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North America edwardac99 
Gaming on a MACBOOK??? lul what a joke.....
2019-10-21 07:55
#83
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Turkey sonbafrali 
You have to install windows 10 via bootcamp. It wont give you a high game performance but I would be more playable.
2019-10-21 15:22
#88
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Russia idjetruski 
dude, buying a macbook for gaming is just stupid, even though it performs decently in terms of fps, its not a laptop designed for gaming, if you use it for gaming, you'll end up reducing it's life time
2019-10-21 20:35
use bootcamp to install windows, boot into windows when you want to play cs.
2019-10-22 05:20
macbooks are a meme at this point. just get a thinkpad or xps
2019-10-22 23:14
Equally priced when software is bought to rival MacOS offerings with substantially shittier build quality internally and externally? Hard pass. I would take just the trackpad of a Macbook over an entire thinkpad.
2019-10-22 23:49
what kind of mental deficiency do you have
2019-10-22 23:52
I'm a software engineer that actually knows about software and hardware alongside the engineering that went behind design decisions. I would jump off of my balcony if I had to use an XPS trackpad, screen, and windows every day on my personal laptop for development.
2019-10-22 23:53
you're a nodeJS "programmer" at most
2019-10-22 23:57
Java, C#, and python/powershell (scripting). Two AWS certs. Work in Centos/RHEL 95% of the time and Windows 2012/2016 server the other 5%. Try again scrub. Make sure you make it to your intro Java 101 course tomorrow.
2019-10-22 23:58
java and c# jokes on you
2019-10-23 00:00
Imagine being so retarded you don't realize MacOS is unix.
2019-10-22 23:59
when did i say that macos is not unix? are you retarded
2019-10-23 00:00
Just goes to show you have no experience in the world of software engineering if you don't realize how beneficial a well engineered, and balanced, system with a unix backend with a reliable frontend while having access to all Microsoft Office products is. Nothing beats it. At all.
2019-10-23 00:02
start to get a few commits into any non trivial projects and then come back, you're talking nonsense
2019-10-23 00:03
Oh no. Did baby boy just learn about git/svc?
2019-10-23 00:04
btw you talked about office support on macos, it is mediocre at most
2019-10-23 00:05
Still infinitely better than having absolutely no support on a Linux distro without using haggard workarounds or browsers.
2019-10-23 00:07
using office through wine is probably as good as office on macOS, that being said, tell me something you can do with ms office you can't do with libreoffice
2019-10-23 00:08
Bro, I've had documentation I exported to .docx literally rejected in under five minutes by my architect while using Libre products on CentOS. It's not about the product being ass. It's about compatibility issues in a corporate environment. Just because you can replicate what Word, Powerpoint, etc does with LIbre doesn't mean it's going to fly in the corporate world embedded in Microsoft's ecosystem. It's the same as gaming. Retards here think Windows is a better OS overall simply because it supports gaming. No, it's developed for due to them gobbling up that and forcing game devs into their ecosystem earlier on. At the end of the day, it's not up to me to decide whether I can use libre or office products. It's the customer and corporate.
2019-10-23 00:12
Oh, you also have to realize that this is a personal laptop as well. A TON of shit isn't supported for Linux and I'm not living through wine. An extremely quick example is the Adobe products. Guess what isn't developed for entirely on Linux distros? Yeah, actual web browsers. Did you not know this? My Firefox and Chrome crashes in some way, shape, or form at least once a week on my CentOS workstation. Guess what machine has done development work, dual boot, ran VMs, been in my personal life for over three years and hasn't even had the OS freeze for ANY amount of time? Guess what has had the same crhome/safari window open for two years? Guess what has NEVER had driver issues no matter what I connected it to regardless of the method? Bro, I work in CentOS all day and I'm not about to subject myself to that miserable existence for personal usage.
2019-10-23 15:39
Not sure what you are talking about. Both Firefox and Chrome are native to Linux and I've been running NixOS for a few years now and my Firefox has never crashed, not even once. I can't say much about CentOS and therefore can't really judge it but most Linux distros are extremely stable and the only way to brake them is human error (ARCH). Also I don't see your point in bashing Linux distros at this point. We initially talked about Macbooks vs XPS and Thinkpads. And the trackpad of the current Macbooks is the only thing they have going for them. When we talk about the performance/cost ratio, Macbooks lack behind for obvious reasons. Also there is no point in talking about software support since you can just install Windows on the other notebooks if you wish.
2019-10-23 16:00
1. Them being native to a platform doesn't mean it's as supported on that platform compared to others it is native to. There has been extensive testing done for the major browsers across different platforms and the most stable are always Windows and MacOS. phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=.. 2. Most Linux distro front ends are nowhere near as stable as what they are trying to compete against in that ballpark. Linux distros acting as headless servers are extremely stable. Linux machines acting as personal computers are nowhere near as stable as Windows/MacOS. It's been a downfall of distros for a while for personal usage and it's commonly known. 3. Not entirely shitting on them. I love Linux, but I'm bringing up the entire system that you get with a Macbook Pro is something you can't get elsewhere. It's an insanely balanced platform regarding build quality, performance, and battery life all while having a great front end and unix in the back. Bro, I fucking hate Windows at this point and don't want anywhere near it on my personal laptop. I also don't want anywhere near the atrocity that is linux distros for personal usage. Something I gloss over daily on my CentOS, ubuntu, RHEL builds is something that would make front page reddit or national news if it occurred on numerous platforms that Apple provided. Also, Linux is atrocious regarding performance/power consumption for laptops. The OS wasn't made for it and you're going to have to go through hoops to even get close to the playing field of MacOS/Windows with it. 4. And saying the only thing going for the current Macbooks is the trackpad is asinine and you know it. MacOS by itself has tons of use cases and is a great platform. The screens alone are better than any of their competition by miles in regards to laptops. Come on, dude.
2019-10-23 16:26
Correction. You probably think git is github.
2019-10-23 00:04
0/8, i've already written code long before you finished college
2019-10-23 00:06
#113
i am | 
Turkey kwhrajex 
-buying macbook -logic choose one
2019-10-23 00:00
i refuse to believe anyone that has a brain and isnt rich spends $3000 on a laptop
2019-10-23 00:05
#129
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Portugal xxxRUI75xxx 
My MacBook pro is already 5 years old and it´s still working fine. Actually I prefer it to my (work) windows laptop which is garbage. I don´t play games on my MacBook though - and never installed any game in it because I know I would have crap performance.
2019-10-23 00:15
#132
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Of course it's garbage.
2019-10-23 00:18
#136
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Netherlands poeya 
imagine being a retard and buying apple product XDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-23 01:00
#137
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
haha my macbook pro mid 2014 runs it at 60fps average with lowest res & settings, which is shit but playable to a certain degree. but i don't get any weird bugs nor freezes or restarts. so maybe try to fix it cuz it's not supposed to be like that. and yes, macbooks are just overpriced normal pcs. wont buy another one 4 sure edit: i use "c" for crouching, dont fucking use the "command" key lulz, r u idiot?
2019-10-23 01:12
#139
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Finland Smoonah 
my gf spent 4k on the new iMac iPro whatever the fuck computer. i just laugh and tell her i could have built one for 1/3 of that price
2019-10-23 01:56
Yep, and I bet your rig shits out in 1/3 of the time of the iPro and the parts/build only resales for 1/3 of the original price you paid as well.
2019-10-23 15:44
#156
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Finland Smoonah 
I didn't pay for it wtf
2019-10-23 19:22
Bro... You srs? It's a hypothetical response to your hypothetical build for her.
2019-10-23 19:44
#159
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Finland Smoonah 
was confused when you said "you paid" when I dunnit paid for jack shit enit?
2019-10-23 19:59
All good. I need to stop implying shit on a site that isn't majority American. Should have started with," Assuming you built her rig I bet your rig shits..."
2019-10-23 20:01
#161
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Finland Smoonah 
true friend
2019-10-23 20:01
#143
rko | 
Saudi Arabia WWF 
Sounds like a mad Indian that has shit android and shits on apple every day
2019-10-23 15:41
MacOS has Windows dual boot built in. Literally worked in tandem with Microsoft on it. OP is just rarted.
2019-10-23 20:37
If you want to play games. Buy something with windows on it.
2019-10-23 15:42
best option u have is to get a bootcamp windows installation and play the game on windows on ur mac. The problem is not the computer, but the game, which is obviously not designed to run perfectly on OSX
2019-10-23 15:42
Apple is shit
2019-10-23 15:46
I have a macbook for school
2019-10-23 16:00
So I play CS on macbook didn't read any further
2019-10-23 16:01
I use macbook only for reading HLTV
2019-10-23 19:50
imagine being that retard for not usin bootcamp for gaming and tell it to everyone
2019-10-23 20:13
#166
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Kazakhstan dc7 
they are made for music production, what do you expect... they all have old radeon cards also
2019-10-24 11:33
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