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United States onceuponacringe 
what the fuck is with the tenz hate on hltv. this guy is fucking 18 and only had the chance to play ~15 maps to prove himself. you're simply wrong if you think this was a fair move by C9. tenz will rise again.
2019-10-20 22:50
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Europe maybedontknow 
His decisions were still extremely dumb, nothing against the boy, but he played it in the worst possible manner
2019-10-20 22:51
wow its almost like every single top pro player had a rough start in the pro scene also. you're delusional if you think the players on astralis, liquid, eg etc had a perfect start to their careers.
2019-10-20 22:52
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Germany shook0 
Look at device, had a really hard down phase in his beginning
2019-10-20 22:54
exactly, same with all the NA greats
2019-10-20 22:55
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom HectykJ 
don't you think that getting benched will make him work harder and come back better, staying on a team where he cannot reach his full potential will not be beneficial for him or c9
2019-10-20 23:14
there isn't any "NA greats" wtf are you talking about
2019-10-20 23:39
Xyp9x | 
Cyprus Xeeh 
Good one..
2019-10-21 09:10
2019-10-21 09:13
Na will have at minimum 5 players in the top 20, sweden will have maximum 0
2019-10-21 09:14
Krimz and jw could make it
2019-10-21 09:15
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2019-10-21 09:18
with a strong finish I'm pretty sure JW will see top 20
2019-10-22 13:50
Switzerland sl4p3z 
that was funny lol
2019-10-22 10:36
they are literally top 20 big events this year and with 2 top 2 finishes and one top1 why not
2019-10-22 11:29
Switzerland sl4p3z 
i dont think they can make to the top20 this year, if they do its gonna be around top15 (maybe with that last final vs vitality they got more chances) JW is godlike lately
2019-10-22 11:33
yeah i was thinking around 15-20
2019-10-22 12:17
2019-10-23 15:22
what "hard down phase" did device have? He was instantly recognized as one of the most skilled players in the world from the moment he started he playing. You referring to the period where he was known as a "choker" in semis is nowhere near an equivalent to TenZ being the lowest rated C9 player in bo3s against Eunited, Singularity and INTZ, when you have Daps on your team. Device was a top 5 fucking player in the world in groupstages, that's why him only playing average in semi's was tragic, but overblown.
2019-10-20 23:45
North America X3phyR 
Device was pretty much shit through late 2015 to early 2017 before the Atlanta Major
2019-10-21 04:04
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Denmark bebm 
what the fuck are u talking about if world #3 back to back in 2015 and 2016 is "shit" then every single player in NA history is shit, since none of them finished top 3 yet besides elige this year but he hasnt done it twice
2019-10-21 04:10
No he wasn't newfag, he simply choked in semis along with the rest of his team, outside of semis TSM were probably the best team
2019-10-21 04:39
lmao probably the best CSGO player of all time and the most consistent. Go to bed, dumbass.
2019-10-22 02:04
What are you trying to say retard
2019-10-22 08:12
Australia Raychippy 
umm you replied to wrong person? xD
2019-10-22 08:30
didnt even know iraq had internet
2019-10-22 12:10
Japan Zyuwu 
iraq internet OMEGALUL
2019-10-23 01:13
Device was always considered a very good player since basically the beginning of pro CSGO.
2019-10-21 05:26
?? Did you pull that statement out of your ass? Cuz it's full of shit.
2019-10-21 05:35
Like your streets
2019-10-22 10:48
2019-10-22 13:34
Russia harvard 
He's literally the most consistent top player of all time. He's in all top 20s i think as a top 5 in most.
2019-10-21 06:30
Norway AdNiB 
Not in 2013
2019-10-21 08:17
Because he barely played
2019-10-21 08:28
2019-10-21 13:08
Russia harvard 
dude f0rest was good in early cs and is consistent as an NiP player. Astralis/device has been at the top more often and always plays better. he's better lol.
2019-10-22 02:38
Other nt_newfag 
NA brain LUL
2019-10-21 09:04
Australia Raychippy 
Id 1179716 Signed up 2019-05-14 LUL what can i say
2019-10-22 08:29
newfag spotted
2019-10-23 01:02
Canada Shadoww_ 
you have to be retarded to come to that conclusion
2019-10-23 01:20
ehm device was not very good in the beginning ....
2019-10-23 15:23
You didn't watch back then.
2019-10-23 19:53
Mexico evm 
2019-10-20 23:04
nice hes like the only player!
2019-10-20 23:11
Mexico evm 
2019-10-20 23:18
you're retarded lol!
2019-10-20 23:26
Mexico evm 
2019-10-21 05:52
shox | 
Italy DaDoar 
2019-10-21 09:09
2019-10-21 12:57
Estonia Mrkruvi 
2019-10-22 10:34
so what dude your arguments don't convince me at all. We are talking about a big org, ofc they are not going to wait for you forever, they want early results. Tenz playing like shit but he has the aim for sure. His problem is the age most likely, that pressure fucked him over.
2019-10-20 23:28
i don't think it's pressure it's him not adapting to a higher level and doing things that he could get away with in mdl but can't against actual good teams
2019-10-22 10:32
nah it was 100% pressure.
2019-10-22 22:26
France samuu007 
zywooooooooooooooooooo top 1 hltv on his first tier 1-2 year :d
2019-10-22 22:27
Argentina [Darkaren] 
You do realize that C9 wants to start winning now and not in 3 years when TenZ becomes a good player. When TenZ becomes a good player they can consider buying him if the team is actually good enough to get him in their team, it's a stupid bet when you're a shit team to keep being a shit team, mostly for an org like C9, if it were some shit org like let's say Cr4zy then I can see where this is a shit move, but C9 with that name and the money they've got should probably have a top 10 team.
2019-10-23 01:42
he was cheating his tis off you moron. All it took was that little time for him to mess up with his aim assist 2-3 times. And they replaced him with subroza ROFL
2019-10-23 15:23
Sweden bananablast900 
too bad the bots shoot back in real games
2019-10-20 22:52
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2019-10-21 04:39
Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
You fucking killed him dude.
2019-10-21 09:03
Norway CheNaLii 
2019-10-21 09:16
"This isn't the killing house anymore, this is real life." ―Round start `Bot Vitaliy`
2019-10-23 00:49
Russia palll 
clown9 not deserved TENZERAGOD1337
2019-10-20 22:53
Europe unlukomaluko 
Stop hating on the guy goddamnit he just got benched
2019-10-20 22:55
United States Hubterbean 
I wanna know who he was clashing with, he said the team but koosta isnt clashing id think tim is either so im pretty sure it was daps using him the wrong way. Daps creates all of his teams the same and i think he wanted tenz to be breehze in c9 but he reminded me of a stewie type player. I just cant believe they added subroza he fucking sucks actually kicked from ghost. You can go trade for s0m fr
2019-10-21 04:27
nobody wants subhuman weebs around them
2019-10-21 09:17
Europe unlukomaluko 
Subroza is much better than s0m in my opinion, also s0m and tenz are pretty much playing in the same game style, people doubted koosta and mixwell too, time will tell
2019-10-21 12:53
United States Hubterbean 
Totally different, mixwell and koosta always had potential
2019-10-21 13:30
who else would they add, most players are under contract and others arent gonna leave there teams to join c9
2019-10-23 01:16
People are mad that a guy with anime profile pic is better than them
2019-10-20 22:57
Bulgaria Ju7y 
2019-10-21 12:55
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United Kingdom Dylan9007 
he want even bad
2019-10-20 22:58
IDK im not gonna say it was unfair but I think subroza is not gonna do any better and koosta was the worst pickup of all time, worse than tenz.
2019-10-20 23:00
You're wrong about koosta, he looks/sounds like he would be the worst pickup but he has been one of their best players alongside mixwell and together they make all the difference for cloud9 right now. Have you even been watching their games, because it doesn't look like it to me.
2019-10-20 23:19
you could have been less condescending in your disagreement. I haven't watched every single game but I've been generally keeping up. I didn't say anything about mixwell since I'm not sure of him but it's still weird to me that they'd import him when players like Wardell are out there and why not import an even better awper? We can agree to disagree about koosta though you are right in that he's been way more valuable than tenz I should've seen that. The thing is C9 is pretty shit overall right now and koosta and mixwell having an occasional impact on a lukewarm team with their win record isn't enough for me say they are good picks.
2019-10-20 23:35
I never said that they were good pickups and I actually agree with most of the things you have written so far. It's just, I dont know if there are any other options for c9, I feel like this team was the best that they could put together right now. I think that the c9 org has said that they want an NA-team and obviously all the best NA-players are taken right now and wont leave for a struggling cloud9. I also dont know why they didnt sign Wardell, especially not now when he is free agent (for free).
2019-10-20 23:41
Wardell rejected c9, not that c9 didn't want him.
2019-10-20 23:41
really? can I get a source?
2019-10-20 23:42
wardell to OG
2019-10-21 05:16
i wish lol
2019-10-21 05:16
HAhahaah 15 maps
2019-10-20 23:03
Dear Clown9 , stop getting Tier 5 players just because they are on the top at Tier 5 league , the other Tier 5 players make them look good , in reality , they have no chance agains Astralis , Navi , Fnatic etc
2019-10-20 23:04
Petra | 
Netherlands Yourii 
He is playing worse than daps. OFCOURSE ITS A FAIR MOVE
2019-10-20 23:05
2019-10-20 23:59
Rarely hate players, though I hate cheaters, hence I hate TenZ
2019-10-20 23:05
North America SLGam1ng 
are u 100% hes cheating?
2019-10-20 23:32
2019-10-21 08:15
United Kingdom Cryaosic 
Isn't the whole point of cheating to give you an advantage and make you better ? He was straight out trash...
2019-10-21 08:23
Yup, thats how trash he is, not even cheats made him good
2019-10-21 09:00
I mean he had 2 pretty blatant lock moments so I guess he got scared
2019-10-23 02:09
he was almost as bad at fragging as daps, how tf was he cheating
2019-10-23 01:05
How shit does he have to be for you to accept it? It couldn't be more obvious that you are a fanboy of a guy that has accomplished nothing and during his time on c9 performed worse than daps. It's ok if you like him but you can't escape the truth, man, he has been shit ever since day one in cloud9.
2019-10-20 23:05
He's a cheater and most likely got where he was because of cheating.
2019-10-20 23:06
Portugal joaosenra 
2019-10-21 04:30
Bcs he's cheater?
2019-10-20 23:07
Croatia mds818 
imo it was a good move, yes he doesn't have expirience and I was also thinking "give him a shot"(in terms of time) but tbh guy just kept underperforming over and over again... and he was brought in as a next stewo... you had similar situation in fnatic with brollan however brollan somewhat hold his own at least and had "better" teammates to help him out+xizt was the obvious problem there... c9 doesn't really have any other players who tenz could rely on if he plays a match or two badly..(he played 90 percent of matches bad) All things said, I still don't think that subroza is a solution however they're doing what they can....
2019-10-20 23:08
I'm glad he was removed just because he looks like such a weeb.
2019-10-20 23:10
Finland Smoonah 
ban all weebs
2019-10-20 23:10
Canada Kry^tech 
+1 purge anime
2019-10-20 23:19
shroud | 
Europe zmjtvca 
Well tbh everybody criticized stewie when he joined c9 and he had to play months to show positive results.. This time they took another path.. which isn't well consuming
2019-10-20 23:12
Germany naeqode 
Stewie was good right away when he joined C9 lol, the team sucked cos Slemmy was a bot.
2019-10-20 23:53
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
I hated him until i found out he was a weeb and know he gained my respect :)
2019-10-20 23:17
yes but he hack mens ;(
2019-10-23 01:00
How is he even pro dude is trash
2019-10-20 23:18
he is a weeb. enough reason for me to hate him.
2019-10-20 23:34
Bulgaria Ju7y 
I'm a weeb too, do you hate me?
2019-10-21 13:04
nah, you are hltv user so we are brothers, i cant hate my brother
2019-10-21 13:25
Bulgaria Ju7y 
Thank you brother, what if he uses HLTV too?
2019-10-21 15:38
clown9 done with csgo, they are smart. it`s the biggest esports org with highest earnings, revenue etc.. if csgo was worth it, they would have ez top3 team. so there are 2 explanations: 1) cloud9 management 0iq because they think they can have success with their moves in csgo 2k19 2) csgo not worth it I think in c9 are some of the smartest persons in esports,so -> csgo isnt worth it to pay X00 k $ buyouts and 30k salaries. it`s more like "lets pick an online kid, pay 5k, talk something about "big chance" and kick after 3 weeks if no magic happened".
2019-10-20 23:38
Cloud9 Shit CSGO team and No Dota 2 team. and these are 2 of the top 3 Esports. Shit org with shit decisions.
2019-10-20 23:47
success doesnt lie. c9 is the highest valued esports company csgo just irrelevant
2019-10-20 23:58
i mean part of the reason C9 became so loved was because of there LoL and csgo teams. im talking the sgares freakazoid days
2019-10-23 01:22
Norway JorgyZ 
Why would c9 start doing good pickups now after buying out trash players for the last couple of years? Tenz might have been decent, but i trust c9's ability to make him awful
2019-10-20 23:43
He's a good player, I believe he'll be back soon.
2019-10-20 23:47
"In the video announcement, C9 coach James "JamezIRL" Macaulay cites differences in the approach to the game between TenZ and the rest of the team" means he had a fight with the team toxic kid
2019-10-20 23:52
Canada thelegend27 
wtf the home alone guy is coaching c9
2019-10-23 19:57
Russia mmmmmmajestic 
He's a cheater and a weeb
2019-10-20 23:54
A lot of undeserved hate fs but he has been constantly seen changing settings and it's obvious his game sense is slacking is certain situations. Plus them citing differences in playstyle is a big part so hopefully he can find another team that better fits it.
2019-10-21 00:01
North America X3phyR 
Probably he will be bought by Envy as they are still looking for more firepower or potential 100T member?
2019-10-21 04:07
100T would be dope but not much talent left to build around unless they go mainly international and pick up maybe Wardell
2019-10-21 17:12
North America X3phyR 
Why would Nadeshot go to Berlin if he wanted to stick to a full NA team.
2019-10-21 20:28
Never said he did but there were NA teams there and he was in the discussion to get NRG so tf are you on about lmao? Plus if you build around Tenz and Wardell going international would be a shit move considering those teams never actually succeed and it would just hurt their careers
2019-10-21 21:21
United States @FyreCS 
He will rise again! They didn’t use him properly just like Karybye when Valde and whoever igled before him did
2019-10-21 00:03
Brazil Florastation 
Kjaerbye was playing well tho?
2019-10-21 04:31
United States @FyreCS 
No, he had like 1.03 or something like that. This is the best form I've seen from him in so long, like Astralis level Kjaerbye again
2019-10-23 03:21
Brazil Florastation 
hopefully, he was a really cool player
2019-10-23 23:19
United States @FyreCS 
Indeed men))))
2019-10-24 13:45
If they are haters and they hate tenz does this make them hatenz?
2019-10-21 04:09
yes but also no
2019-10-23 01:02
Brazil Florastation 
yes, he is a potential star player that needs time but there's a catch. C9 isn't supposed to be a team like Epsilon or Hell Raisers with players like Frozen and Oskar, players that were picked up in the hopes they would become world class and then the org would sell them, C9 is supposed to be soon tier 1-2 team not a top 1 TenZ waiting room. I'm sad to see he didn't do well with the oportunity he had but it's the way things work, if you suck and don't lead, you get cut.
2019-10-21 04:30
United Arab Emirates X_Equinox_X 
2019-10-21 09:25
Indonesia lukerey 
Ofc he will rise again. For now he still a fpl player level. Not a pro level. Unlike som, food, or oBo.
2019-10-21 04:32
Lmao he just basically trashed C9 when he talked about why he was benched on his stream
2019-10-21 04:35
Israel Trust_me_bro 
Can u clip that pls?
2019-10-21 10:26 Here's a link to what he said He basically whines the whole time about how he didn't get to play aggro and puggy in Daps system and that he tilted hard in the EG game and said they won't win anything playing like this
2019-10-21 22:46
subroza is miles better than tenz. simple as that, good roster move
2019-10-21 04:36
Israel Trust_me_bro 
He was good in ghost, I hope there will be koosta and sub deadly duo
2019-10-21 10:28
36 maps*
2019-10-21 04:45
Nobody hates him though, if anything people don't like how massively overhyped he was for killing static bots
2019-10-21 04:45
LMAO at all the blind fools taking it seriously "oh he's a potential star, oh he needs time" Give me a fucking break he only got to where he was by cheating you'll never see him go anywhere again.
2019-10-21 05:08
United States JustBitsy 
They need to invest in future csgo talents. They will fail with subroza too. Its as simple as that
2019-10-21 05:11
The only gamemode he is good at is aimbotz map
2019-10-21 05:21
people hate weebs, rightfully so
2019-10-21 06:16
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Japan Jotaro 
tenz bad
2019-10-21 08:24
i never liked him, he sucks in lan
2019-10-21 08:29
Brazil hugoooo 
He's just not ready yet. He should've been playing in MDL teams for one year at least.
2019-10-21 08:32
Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
That's what cosplaying does to you. An insecure weeb can't keep cool on LAN.
2019-10-21 09:04
its not that they didnt give him time to grow if you did your research he didnt want to play in daps system anymore and the rest of the team did. it wasnt that he was a bad player its that he didnt fit in with the team.
2019-10-21 09:28
Germany L1lK1M 
its because he cheats...
2019-10-21 13:06
2019-10-21 13:06
Australia flashi 
weeb lol
2019-10-21 13:28
Brazil VerySafeName 
he's a weeb in the worst way. he literally corssdresses in maid outfits and his wall is covered in typical weeb shit. gives the rest of us who like anime a bad name
2019-10-21 13:31
cheating while he streaming . bot lan shroud #2
2019-10-21 15:39
United States FaZe_Burger 
Haven't seen subroza play, but both have hella fishy clips
2019-10-21 15:42
Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
He's not a LAN guy yet atleast.
2019-10-22 08:20
Autist defending a kid who literally argued with his own team and didn't like their style when he's playing the worst on the team. pathetic
2019-10-22 08:33
World memyselfandI 
Him having one of the fishiest plays of the year (FPL) makes me wonder if he was simply sacked for being too blatant. Subroza's clips are getting old, safer to hire him than a player with super fresh super fishy clips.
2019-10-22 08:33
lmao he was bottom-fragging
2019-10-22 22:26
World memyselfandI 
Exactly what do that has to do with my post? I have trouble finding any correlation whatsoever.
2019-10-22 22:28
If you did your research it had nothing to do with his performance, he didnt want to play in daps system.
2019-10-22 10:28
World memyselfandI 
So he gives up a potential career because of reluctance to adapt. Yeah right....
2019-10-22 22:29
look it up its all over youtube him saying he was the only person that didnt want to play under daps system, even stewie2k called him out on it
2019-10-23 00:31
World memyselfandI 
Do you always take what people say as the truth? Geeez, no wonder you americans support war after war, for reasons mostly based on lies.
2019-10-23 00:53
wow racist, why would tenz lie about not cooperating with the team, if anything hed lie and say that he was kicked and the team treated him badly? Also i dont think ive ever supported a war in my life, but hey atleast im not afraid to show my flag.
2019-10-23 01:12
World memyselfandI 
You need to look up the word "racism" before you misuse it again. I am noflagging because I am not a nationalist. But I can hint you that my nation ihas been the very best at this game for the past couple of years.
2019-10-23 01:30
You're still generalizing me into a stereotype based on my nationality, plus like I said idk why some 18 year old would lie about not being cooperative. If he was to lie he'd just blame all of c9.
2019-10-23 15:19
more than 15 maps
2019-10-22 10:44
It's not that tenz is bad. He just really has a toxic mind. It's like this kids first time playing at a higher competition, and he straight up complains. Like cmon, you're with people who had ton of experience and now you're saying these stuff.
2019-10-23 00:37
Ukraine sodaH_ 
overrated and bad
2019-10-23 00:50
EliGE also didn't had good start and now he's best rifler in the world
2019-10-23 00:50
World memyselfandI 
No he isn't.
2019-10-23 00:54
2019-10-23 00:55
World memyselfandI 
He still isn't the best, far from. He is only top notch when his cheats is tuned beyond oblivion, otherwise he is just meh.
2019-10-23 00:57
France Dov 
There is an article on dexerto (I think that's the name) where he tells why he got benched. Basically he told their current system is not working and daps probably managed to get him benched
2019-10-23 01:34
Israel Trust_me_bro 
The point is that he didn't believe in this system and after he said that he got into an argue with the team ( Don't know with who specifically )
2019-10-23 20:00
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