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games that take more skill
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Sweden bananablast900 
When you reach a certain level in CSGO, you realize that you can't really get much better. Battles against two people start being summed up to just who can get better RNG to headshot first. I'm looking for a game that takes a lot more skill (higher skill cap) and has a decent player base. Plus at this point its just who can abuse game mechanics more and get luckier... looking at you Astralis. What games are there that take more skill than CSGO? (Don't respond if you're a delusional idiot who thinks CSGO is the peak skill based game)
2019-10-21 04:21
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#1
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United States WindyInu 
0/8
2019-10-21 04:22
Still think it's bait?
2019-10-21 05:16
age of empires 2
2019-10-21 04:22
#4
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Sweden bananablast900 
It's not competitive, nor does it have a large playerbase
2019-10-21 04:23
u clearly have no clue
2019-10-21 04:23
Name one $100k+ tournament in the last 5 years. I'll wait.
2019-10-21 04:25
by that definition theres literally only about 5 games that apply, and csgo is the only one of them that isnt artificially inflated LUL (and csgo is also by far the most skill-based of them, so gj brainfucking urself)
2019-10-21 04:28
Even Warcraft III has had one in the past 5 years... you're not making much sense.
2019-10-21 04:28
How is CSGO more skill based than Starcraft II, Dota 2, or League of Legends? Just give me an example of what CSGO does that they don't.
2019-10-21 05:12
#96
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Luxembourg _hhh 
have 3 dimensions
2019-10-21 05:53
#97
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Luxembourg _hhh 
this isnt an actual argument i just wanted to meme
2019-10-21 05:54
Ok men
2019-10-21 06:41
why are u making a thread asking a question that u have 3 answers too already?
2019-10-21 05:56
#108
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Denmark ntnoscene 
How is CSGO more skill based than League of Legends? Are you joking right?
2019-10-21 07:11
I'm asking how he thinks they aren't? Don't answer my question with another question.
2019-10-21 23:47
#120
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Denmark ntnoscene 
u re so funny dude hahaha :D
2019-10-21 23:56
#109
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Australia mooqhbwease 
+1 genius
2019-10-21 07:16
#8
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Denmark ntnoscene 
u clearly have no clue
2019-10-21 04:24
I thought the post was about games which take more skill, not games which have a more competitive community.
2019-10-21 04:27
>decent player base.
2019-10-21 04:44
And Age of Empires 2 has a decent player base
2019-10-21 05:12
Peak 13k players that has been declining pretty much every month. steamcharts.com/app/221380
2019-10-21 05:16
How many players do you need? 13k is a lot, and the game is consistently in the top 50. steamcharts.com/top/p.2
2019-10-21 05:32
#123
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Spain VIKTORAL 
and u have to sum the voobly community, which is a competitive elo-based system where people take it kinda serious and play smart. 2.5k active the whole time users always there
2019-10-22 00:00
#40
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United States Redgear11 
You clearly have 0 clue
2019-10-21 04:44
Avoiding bans on HLTV
2019-10-21 04:23
#5
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Sweden bananablast900 
Tried that, not very fun.
2019-10-21 04:23
+1 The rules aren't even well explained
2019-10-21 04:25
The solution is to avoid making too many comments when most of EU is awake.
2019-10-21 04:25
+1 If no one makes threads, you cannot comments, and thus, cant be banned.
2019-10-21 04:26
+11111
2019-10-21 04:35
#7
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Temple run.
2019-10-21 04:24
#9
koosta | 
United States yghj 
quake
2019-10-21 04:24
Is the scene alive?
2019-10-21 04:27
#19
koosta | 
United States yghj 
kinda
2019-10-21 04:27
Might give it a shot.
2019-10-21 04:36
#44
koosta | 
United States yghj 
classic quake was better but now its kinda got a weird class system. i dislike it but it might be up your alley
2019-10-21 04:46
Is it anything like Overwatch? I really appreciate the kind of equal footing of CSGO, so if it was something like a rock-paper-scissors mechanic that I can't really counter effectively then I'll be kinda discouraged. Thanks for your input tho
2019-10-21 05:14
#76
koosta | 
United States yghj 
not really rock paper scissors, but each does have a unique ability. they are reasonably minor but it isnt nearly as equal as old quake, where everything was as fair as you can make it. sset spawns, set item spawns, timeings etc, same weapons, damage shield etc. ultimate reflex shooter. i would look into an original quake community
2019-10-21 05:15
Ok, will do. Thanks.
2019-10-21 05:18
#10
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United States matteyo11 
Stopped reading at "RNG to head-shot first" how often does this effect determine who wins a fight? Rarely You sound like a boomer, go play those resource games
2019-10-21 04:24
Nearly any time you're mid to long range with an AK-47? Any time you're semi-long to long range with a M4? The only gun not entirely fucked by RNG is the krieg, and that's getting nerfed soon. Too bad this makes an imbalance in the side's weapons, so even if you're a better aimer you'll still lose fights because of the weapon, especially on CT.
2019-10-21 04:26
Bro I agree with you 180%. 1.6 has much more higher skill ceiling than GO. I don't understand how CS GO can be even called competitive game with such a low skill ceiling and so much RNG.
2019-10-21 04:27
Yep. 1.6 may not look nice now but the RNG and other bullshit in CSGO is mind-numbing. In CSGO any random with an AK can insta headshot you just because of how angles and shit work in this game. Even if you have the better aim, often you'll have the inaccuracy fuck you anyways so you lose the round due to luck. Happens in pro games all the time but oblivious casters just call getting fucked by RNG a "whiff."
2019-10-21 04:34
#82
Xyp9x | 
Denmark Khronov 
Yeah wallbang everything is so skillful men)))
2019-10-21 05:21
Sometimes it wasn't but often times the wallbangs you could do really countered the effects of peeker's advantage and right-eye advantage.
2019-10-21 05:23
#86
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Brazil 1_Flippy 
this is true ^ even though i disagree with the rest
2019-10-21 05:26
Wtf is this... If you reached that level, how come you are not competing for being worlds best along side simple and zywoo? You can always get better. Even in pro cs there is a significant skillgap.
2019-10-21 04:28
Pro scene is a bubble. Even at lower levels like FPL-C you'll get kicked if you aren't in a clique with some of the other players. Teams always are recycling the same players and Valve never updates the maps to remove the ones with garbage tier skill ceilings (Mirage). If Valve put in maps that actually reward skill more than abusing game mechanics the game would be 10x better.
2019-10-21 04:32
Maybe you should just focus on making those onetaps before complaining about cs being too easy
2019-10-21 04:34
My aim is fine. Not much you can do though in many situations. It's not like 1.6 at all with the variety of things you could do to get out of any situation.
2019-10-21 04:35
There is nothing you can do in 1.6 compared to cs go, that will make you win a fight with low hp. Only way out is to tap that face before you get hit yourself.
2019-10-21 04:40
You could outplay your opponent with a smart wall bang often in 1.6, yet in CSGO there's nothing of the sort. The movement is especially dumbed down for more casual players so idiots can just hop around not even hitting a bhop and not get punished with a drastic loss in speed like in 1.6.
2019-10-21 04:47
I agree that movement in 1.6 was way better skillwise and something you could use a lot of time on. In cs go its all about being good with utility besides being a good aimer. Guess all those people whining about duckjump in 1.6 got what they wanted.
2019-10-21 04:54
I mean I'm fairly good with utility, and while I'm not doing badly in the games I play, I often feel like it's impossible for me to consistently win even if I'm the best in the server.
2019-10-21 05:05
Because its a teamgame even if you like it or not :) even though if you hard carry, your chances should be fairly better.
2019-10-21 05:07
Guess i'll just try playing the team aspect of the game more. Faciet PUGs have got me hating this game.
2019-10-21 05:14
Been playing cs for 20 years, but I refuse to play with randoms these days. Find a hub or some friends or you will get cancer.
2019-10-21 05:44
#117
Boo | 
France mbl4 
No it's not. A lot of excellent of FPL players went to pro team but failed to deliver (TenZ, s0m (hs starting to adapt tho), jeyN). Being good at CS isn't just about aim, and that's what people from FPL and lower fail to understand. They lack experience. You say it's a bubble because pro teams don't want to pick unexperienced players, but if they don't pick them it's because most of the time they are just not good enough for pro
2019-10-21 23:52
#117
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Triple post sorry, fuck my internet connection
2019-10-21 23:53
#117
Boo | 
France mbl4 
#117
2019-10-21 23:53
Every game you play you will hit your max skill Maybe osu??
2019-10-21 04:36
OSU might be fun but im worried that at a certain point it just becomes memorization and people don't actually becoming better. It's stupid because I'm getting fucked by people objectively worse who get lucky with their RNG. I crouch down, aim center of the head at someone not looking me medium range and tap/burst and it'll miss like 30% of the time. Too big of a statistic for it to not sway the endings of games. Honestly I may just become an AWPer given it's easiest gun in the game.
2019-10-21 04:38
Ye when you play osu enough and you’re at your peak it’s just grinding the same maps over and over again
2019-10-21 04:42
Yeah I mean I like anime though so maybe it would be a fun kind of hobby game to get good at just for fun. It'd be cool to see tournaments with blind maps but I imagine it wouldn't be feasible for most players.
2019-10-21 04:44
2019-10-21 04:36
Doesn't it become memorization at some point though? I bet it's not the first time he's played that match.
2019-10-21 04:39
ahahahah typical newbie who thinks people memorize each map before playing there are thousands of beatmaps lol
2019-10-21 04:41
Obviously not each map, but when they get to those 8 or 9 star levels, surely they don't just play a map once then stop?
2019-10-21 04:41
no they can sightread(first time) fc too funny thing is you become worse at the map when you play it over and over again
2019-10-21 04:44
Really? Can you send me a video of it? Hard not to doubt when you see how surreal those levels are.
2019-10-21 04:45
youtu.be/pb3vY1EIvEo this is some godlike shit
2019-10-21 04:46
Was this seriously his first try ever on the map?
2019-10-21 04:48
yes afaik
2019-10-21 04:49
#52
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United States me_0_major 
no, it might've been his first try that playsession but he'd been grinding that map for days
2019-10-21 04:54
:/ Kinda dissapointing. I admire the dedication and skill needed before but it seems at that point you're just grinding over and over again.
2019-10-21 04:55
#57
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United States me_0_major 
it does happen sometimes, youtube.com/watch?v=qAaUmC4HCHY this is classic example of true sightread, cookiezi's first ever play on that map is first ever FC which stood for 3+ years
2019-10-21 05:01
Pretty amazing but how often is this really possible even for the best players?
2019-10-21 05:03
#67
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United States me_0_major 
Admittedly not often, but it isn't really "memorization" that's holding back top players. Like you can memorize how to shoot someone in the head with an AK but it takes you hundreds of tries to perfect the movements.
2019-10-21 05:08
Yeah I guess you're right. I'll give it a shot. What discouraged me last time is trying to find a proper skin and good maps to play. How do I find both?
2019-10-21 05:17
#83
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United States me_0_major 
i recommend YUGEN skin, very popular and clean aesthetic, or you could go more minimalist with CHITANDA. Good maps depends on your taste but if you have a particular artist or genre you like just search it on the website there's always gonna be at least a couple maps.
2019-10-21 05:22
#33
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Brazil Florastation 
Smash Bros Melee video for reference: youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8
2019-10-21 04:39
Games where you can get insta k-o'd just after like 1 mistake aren't my cup of tea. Plus scene is kinda dying
2019-10-21 04:43
#47
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Brazil Florastation 
scene is doing well the clip is also setup, the combo isn't completely true (and it wasn't even done vs a real person) it was made as a showcase of how fast you can be
2019-10-21 04:47
Was left out of EVO and prize money is getting lowered each year. It's on the decline for sure and I'm confused about to means to which I would play online.
2019-10-21 04:52
#56
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United Kingdom fal36 
dolphin emulator and netplay is how u play online
2019-10-21 05:01
It's not really declining. It's just steady now that the new smash is actually decent. There's been more of an attention shift towards it, so it doesn't seem as big. But that perception doesn't reflect reality. It being dropped from EVO doesn't really mean anything neither considering how many other big tournaments it has. To put it into perspective, EVO hosted melee for YEARS and still never hit top 10 in terms of event prizepool. Anther's Ladder for online matchmaking.
2019-10-21 05:03
#63
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Brazil Florastation 
still a great game with really good local communities, even brazil has good local communities and FGs aren't really popular, you could also play Starcraft 2 btw
2019-10-21 05:04
Starcraft II seems impossible for a newcomer to get into though... just watching the APM of the best players. And the game is also on the decline it seems.
2019-10-21 05:06
#68
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Brazil Florastation 
it's not supposed to be easy you'll suck like everyone else, doesn't make sense to ask for a game with a high ceilling and be scared because it's hard to get to also pls fuck off with "game on the decline". You want a game with retarded prize pool? got play Dota and get sad you'll never even smell the money, just pick a game and play
2019-10-21 05:08
Well why should I get invested in a game that will take me 3+ years to get to a high level when by the time I'm there the competition will be so shallow that I'll just be playing random PUGs against other higher ranks with no chance for an actual money making opportunity?
2019-10-21 05:11
#100
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Brazil Florastation 
because you like the game not because it makes money? you know, there are people with souls that don't put money on everything and that just like to play something and not feel like shit for a few hours
2019-10-21 06:23
Eh you should play the game because you're interested in improving at it. Not because of the reasons you listed. Under your logic, SC2 would be favorable over games like Quake, a majority of fighters, and osu even though all the games listed require a lot of individual skill. Anyways, SC2 is actually doing fine. Since they went F2P, there's been an uptick in viewercount and prizepools. 2017 and 2018 had the biggest prizepools in Starcraft's 20 year history. If you just want the game with the biggest casual and competitive playerbase then there's CSGO, LoL, and DotA. Hell, SC2 #5 in esports prizepools and there's a pretty massive drop for the #6 game.
2019-10-21 06:31
Anyone here good at Dota 2 or League of Legends? How's the skill cap in PUGs for those? Would have to be playing that for awhile before I would actually join a team.
2019-10-21 04:53
Dota 2 only if you play as a 5 man party and are ancient or more ranked. Rest are trash you can single handed win out the game. Requires good communication, trust in team mates and individual skill in your role. In the end all comes down to those fractional decisions. Atleast we don't get 1 tapped by some jumping tec-9
2019-10-22 00:10
i disagree. 2018 s1mple was consistently winning every fight (pretty much). if it was mostly rng this wouldnt be possible. all #1 players pretty much were like this. they win pretty much every fight they take which just wouldnt be possible if the game was mainly rng at that level.
2019-10-21 04:57
He was also using the most effective weapon in the game (AWP) and his entire team pretty much played so he could do well. Now his team still pretty much gives him a ton of space to let him get kills often to the detriment of one of his teammates.
2019-10-21 05:02
prime olofmeister was a rifler that could just take over games with a super puggy style fnatic were running. personally i believe the skill cap is super high in cs and a very good player will be able to win 80% of fights.
2019-10-21 05:04
Even s1mple has bad games though, hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/92991/.. Even though we know s1mple is the best he did badly on a map he usually doesn't do badly on. Call it an off game but I think a lot of random chance was involved in the rounds where he got fucked over.
2019-10-21 05:09
there is chance in every round and game. however that is not restricted to cs. every game has this problem. players like faker in league were dominant, but had off games too.
2019-10-21 05:20
Just get better and stop complaining. U can allways improve
2019-10-21 05:04
Not really.
2019-10-21 05:09
Its all about mindset. If u think u can, u can. If u think u cant, u cant.
2019-10-21 06:32
1.6. Skill based games have been nerfed since the old game engines of 1999-2004 to appeal to the masses simple as that.
2019-10-21 05:24
Amen.
2019-10-21 05:29
>better RNG to headshot first im not think that you sound like input lag blamming pousy boi
2019-10-21 05:26
It has nothing to do with input lag. \docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq.. Look at this spreadsheet. Every number describing inaccuracy represents the weapon's RNG factor. If it's higher, the more RNG is involved and the least likely you are to hit your shot in the first try even if you have perfect aim. If two AK-47s are fighting at mid range, it's not uncommon to have a tapping battle end in who got luckier with the RNG in getting a headshot.
2019-10-21 05:28
Rocket League
2019-10-21 05:27
Actually a great suggestion. Pretty cool game and high skill ceiling. Hard to get into but at least it's growing. Might give that a shot.
2019-10-21 05:29
Tekken 7 or fighting games in general, 100% about skill no luck involved.
2019-10-21 05:46
+1, most people think that you can win a tekken fight by just spamming all the buttons, it might be true against a newbie player but an experienced player will take you down everytime if you try that. Also you gotta learn a lot of special attack key combinations.
2019-10-21 05:50
You are not wrong. Have been saying this for years, they need to improve the skillcap in CS instead they keep lowering it, however I don't agree with Krieg being a healthy way doing so(if anything it creates even less separation). RTS, SC2/WC3, is probably the most skill demanding game, a average player will never beat a great one.
2019-10-21 05:57
#102
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Hungary subzera 
OSU
2019-10-21 06:31
#104
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Asia wantod 
what RNG are you referring to?
2019-10-21 06:33
Weapon inaccuracy
2019-10-21 23:48
How is Astralis abusing game mechanics? Lmao Gold Novas think theyre hotshit trying hard to sound he knows jackshit about CS Go back to aim training you dogshit nova
2019-10-21 07:03
Probably a higher rank than you, and Astralis had been abusing the smoke bug for awhile before it was patched if you didn't realize. If you think they're above exploiting you're delusional.
2019-10-21 23:49
#121
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South Africa nimmaJ 
The smoke bug is literally using ur radar and aiming lmao
2019-10-21 23:58
#110
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Australia mooqhbwease 
sdo-x
2019-10-21 07:18
#111
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Finland Cucumberous 
imo TF2 very high skill ceiling in both movement and aiming
2019-10-21 07:18
try some rust, massive difference between the best and the worst
2019-10-21 07:20
starcraft 1 and 2 have the highest possible skill ceiling in a video game
2019-10-21 23:49
Unless you are ranked top #1 world you have not reached the skill cap mate.
2019-10-22 00:00
#124
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Macedonia trashbait 
starcraft
2019-10-22 00:04
#125
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Norway NoeNOR 
Lucky headshots? You can onetap people who sprays at you..
2019-10-22 00:06
+1 i miss games like quake where you could go insane mode
2019-10-22 00:13
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