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SG NERF
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
put the price at 3100 like m4 is all the nerf it needs (anything more is too much) - now pro players have to decide if they want to buy ak with flash and smoke, just sg (but better aim) without utility or do a hard save and get sg + full utility. what this will result in is obviously more aks because most teams wont stop force buying/half buying and teams not buying 5 sgs and instead having a mix of mostly ak+sg (maybe awp) i think its great that that another weapon on t side is finally viable but sg is too op compared to ak.
2019-10-23 14:24
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#1
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South America FAN_OF_M16R 
price increase good nerf
2019-10-23 14:25
#5
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
its the only nerf that makes sense. anything else or an even bigger price increase will kill the weapon
2019-10-23 14:27
#6
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South America FAN_OF_M16R 
yes u r right
2019-10-23 14:27
lower the fire rate
2019-10-23 15:42
#33
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
will kill it. the reason why sg is used by pros is cuz you can spray with it as good as with an ak. kill it and you kill the weapon
2019-10-23 15:46
the sg is better than the ak in every single aspect higher firerate,scope,100% armor pen,easier spray they need to bring the firerate to the same level as the ak
2019-10-23 17:02
#36
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Denmark WeiZy0 
Well your math is off tho 2700 + 200 + 300 = 3200. Not 3100 :)
2019-10-23 16:00
#38
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
i never said that was the math. sg at 3100 you cant buy smoke at 4300 which you can with ak which is my whole point
2019-10-23 16:07
Nerfing the price would fix the 3 Krieg buy problem after the t's lost pistol
2019-10-23 14:25
#3
loli | 
Poland kittykot 
yeah i love the krieg but i agree, 2900 or 3100 would be reasonable
2019-10-23 14:26
#11
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
price has to be above 3000 so you cant buy smoke at 4200. has to be 3000-3200 - i settled for the middle
2019-10-23 14:30
#14
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Slovenia wanek_sti 
But it was 3000 before and no one was using it. Wtf
2019-10-23 14:56
#15
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
people just didnt use it cuz most pro players were to traditional. no one cared to learn the spray etc . now people got used to it and even the oldest pro uses it
2019-10-23 14:57
#4
tiziaN | 
Germany FREIER 
only price increase!! +1
2019-10-23 14:26
+1
2019-10-23 14:28
make it 4k. almost as op as awp
2019-10-23 14:28
0iq
2019-10-23 14:30
#12
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
rip sg
2019-10-23 14:34
#19
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Brazil Novat0007 
+1
2019-10-23 15:07
fire rate to 600 buff aug fire rate back to 666
2019-10-23 14:28
666 is satanic mens lets do 667
2019-10-23 15:25
1337
2019-10-23 15:59
if it was 3100 i would buy AK every single time, id rather have ak + smoke/x2 flash then, it shouldent be higher than 2900 for it to be justifiable to buy imo
2019-10-23 14:53
#17
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
1st round loss bonus 1900 + 2nd bonus 2400 is 4300 without $300 bonus for each kill if sg cost 2900 then you could at the least still buy smoke on 3 people and 2 people 4 flash. most teams would still buy the sg like it cost 2700 and therefore be op
2019-10-23 15:01
i don't think so, 3100 is way to high for krieg you would need atleast 2-3 kills in pistol + following eco for it to even be worth it, id much rather save 400 and get AK then
2019-10-23 15:15
#21
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
no, if u force second round (which a lot of teams do) and then full save next you have enough for a good buy with sg, nevermind after you have loser bonus you can basically always buy sg
2019-10-23 15:22
Yes but your calculation assumes alot of variables, it would limit people to play economy in one way to make this work as you have it set up.
2019-10-23 15:32
#25
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
of course it would. its supposed to be a krieg nerf and pros using the ak more
2019-10-23 15:35
then everyone would just play the same way, because why would you not play the game the best possible way? i think it's balanced but a slight price bump is fair but i feel like 3100 is just a bit too much imo
2019-10-23 15:36
#29
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
but why would everyone play the same way with the sg being at 3100? there are literal teams that are dependent on their sg play; look at all of evil geniuses and furia, key players in big teams like elige, brollan, zywoo who are ten times better with the sg than the ak. they all would still buy sgs at 3100 because their t sides are heavily dependent on it. now a lot of players would also drop it (like you) for the ak but thats the whole point: you cant just buy an sg everytime like you would an ak. my calculations just show that $200 more very likely wouldnt be enough for the nerf to be impactful.
2019-10-23 15:41
but you dont know how to use utility so why even bother?
2019-10-23 15:38
You don't know me so why even comment?
2019-10-24 18:38
#16
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Brazil cavaquinho 
increase the price would be nice
2019-10-23 14:59
3800 Krieg pls
2019-10-23 15:02
3500 atleast
2019-10-23 15:27
#28
draken | 
Romania meIodic 
price nerf wasn't enough for AUG tho
2019-10-23 15:39
#32
flusha | 
Germany sanos 
id argue $400 is enough, though. if you full save after pistol lose you have 4300 without killing anyone (glocks make this unlikely) which essentially means you can buy sg with flash only. that will result in most of the team either buying aks for flash smokes and maybe one sg (best sg player on team e.g. elige). its almost like an awp buy in rounds with economy where you cant buy all the nades (which is very often the case). its a huge tradeoff in comparison to right now
2019-10-23 15:47
#30
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Serbia CoIe47 
+1 good price
2019-10-23 15:40
only good on maps like train/dust 2/nuke(outside)/overpass/mirage but thats 5 out of 7 maps. Now about 4 of these are CT side and that means nerf shouldn't be hard but still shouldn't be same as ak. Tbf nerfing it hard makes AWP on CT side really and on T side very necessary. I guess making it at old price is better and a little firerate nerf like AUG pretty much
2019-10-23 15:50
That would stop the forcebuys with SG as well, the only nerf needed, the fire rate is to high as well, put it at least equal to the ak
2019-10-23 16:01
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