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[PC BUILD HELP] Motherboard advice
Europe JonathanEIsGay 
Ryzen 3700x RTX 2070 Super 16GB 3200 RAM What motherboard will good for me?
2019-10-26 12:48
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Any x570 board should be fine but then is it for ATX, mATX, mITX-case?
2019-10-26 12:51
ATX
2019-10-26 12:51
in that case any manufacture is great(asus/msi/gigabyte/asrock you should side by side look as for difference on the different manufacture-board. price and if they are similiar in as in slots for usb, SLI-supportive or not. Price range seems on pair with any of the x570-boards. although the cheaper b450 should also be fine IF they are stated it's an updated board which support up to 3000x series so to speak*
2019-10-26 12:55
Thank you, I guess MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX is my choice
2019-10-26 15:50
Never save on motherboard. Never save on anything when buying expensive hardware. You just picked the cheapeast available that looks somewhat "gamy"
2019-10-26 15:55
What can you offer for me?
2019-10-26 16:31
Lmao tomahawk is one of the best B450s
2019-10-26 16:43
yeah.
2019-10-28 13:00
#44
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Sweden Kasidro 
I would pick a b450 tomahawk over any sub 250 euro 570x. And even if you get a good 570x you will still get a mobo with a fucking fan...
2019-10-26 18:16
#49
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World ZMDR 
Please don't spread misinformation. That board has an excellent VRM setup comparable to boards that cost significantly more.
2019-10-26 18:25
+1
2019-10-26 19:42
+1
2019-10-28 13:03
#13
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
its garbage, shit vrms and so on. if u want MSI look at their x470 boards nvm misread, dont buy their x570 boards anyway
2019-10-26 16:34
x570? Why? Is MSI X470 Gaming Pro Max good? My problem is, I don't know how do I update BIOS in the case this motherboard is too "fresh" for Ryzen 3700. Sorry, I'm noob in this question
2019-10-26 16:48
#30
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
buy it from a serious vendor and ask customer support to do it for you if it isn't labeled as ryzen3000 ready, many motherboards can't be flashed w/o compatible CPU. x570 isn't really worth the money unless you really need latest PCIE which you don't. i got x570 cause the price difference was small. MSI:s x470 boards are really good, if you're interested here's a long video youtube.com/watch?v=4FeMLXFenjE gl with your build man
2019-10-26 16:59
Big thank you
2019-10-26 17:00
#33
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
no problem
2019-10-26 17:01
#48
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World ZMDR 
That guy is clueless. Tomahawk's VRM is comparable to some of the best X470 boards. It will easily do the job. X470 isn't as dumb a choice as X570 but its still dumb when B450 is available.
2019-10-26 18:24
Thank you, will think
2019-10-27 06:18
Hello. Is X470 still dumb even if I want to upgrade my CPU and/or GPU after 2–5 years?
2019-10-28 02:24
#71
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
NVM MISREAD yall cant fucking read either LOL
2019-10-28 07:30
It is not garbage? It has better VRMs than the X470 Gaming pro/gaming plus. Source: My X470 Gaming Pro motherboard + the many B450 Tomahawk/Max boards I used at work.
2019-10-26 17:10
#70
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
NVM MISREAD
2019-10-28 07:29
#43
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Sweden Kasidro 
MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX does not have shit vrm.
2019-10-26 18:13
#69
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
NVM MISREAD
2019-10-28 07:29
#26
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Singapore Asturobot 
SLI? what year is this
2019-10-26 16:49
Some of the lesser MSI ones supposedly have problems with heat management and run hot. youtube.com/watch?v=kxJ8rB5DiUE&list=PLy..
2019-10-26 18:17
any msi, asus mid/high tier that support your cpu will be good
2019-10-26 12:51
I'm thinking about MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX
2019-10-26 12:52
yeah that one is very good, if you want rgb stuff theres a msi pro gaming carbon if im right which is also very good
2019-10-26 12:53
#21
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World ZMDR 
best option, looks like you already know what to get
2019-10-26 16:40
have the exactly same setup and I have x570 aorus elite you could probably go for something cheaper but I got no problems with this motherboard, easy to install and bios settings are great
2019-10-26 15:52
Did you update BIOS after unboxing?
2019-10-26 16:32
No
2019-10-26 18:05
#9
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Asia Ace_Y 
depends if you want to overclock don't go with the Tomahawk if you do
2019-10-26 15:53
#18
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World ZMDR 
overclocking 3rd gen is pointless to begin with
2019-10-26 16:36
It is not pointless if you do it the right way, which is overclocking each CCX.
2019-10-26 17:39
#46
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World ZMDR 
Even with CCX overclocking the voltage required to sustain a significant overclock is way too high and not worth the increase in power consumption. These CPUs already boost to their max potential out of the box with PB2. You're going to lose out in single threaded performance even if you go for a crazy overclock.
2019-10-26 18:20
Depends on your skill + your silicon luck.
2019-10-26 19:05
#53
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Asia Ace_Y 
you are going to lose in single threaded benchmarks, oh no, because so many programs still use only 1 thread also, have you seen the der8auer video regarding their boost? those cpus dont boost for shit on cheap motherboards
2019-10-26 19:36
#72
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World ZMDR 
I see better performance in games like CS with stock/PBO. Manual/CCX overclocking helps with benchmark scores but doesn't translate to in-game performance, mostly due to a lower single core boost. CPUs have trouble boosting on even some of the higher end motherboards, and pretty much everyone knows that its a BIOS issue now, not a board issue. Hell there are videos of people running 3900X on terrible little A320 boards and they still boost fine. Not that I recommend doing that but you get my point. Watch HUB's video on the same topic as derbauer. Derbauer only tested one board IIRC but these guys tested many.
2019-10-28 10:03
Why not? The B450 Tomahawk has better VRMs and cooling than the low-end X570 boards.
2019-10-26 17:29
#52
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Asia Ace_Y 
no it doesn't lol they all have low end cheap af vrms Tomahawk 4C029N hi and 4C024N lo (both are shit mosfets, check the datasheet) you can't even have shittier mosfets than those, the cheap X570 have mosfets comparable to these or a bit better I was not talking about cheap X570 anyway
2019-10-26 19:34
#73
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World ZMDR 
yes but low end mosfets + good heatsinks > slightly better mosfets + terrible heatsinks
2019-10-28 10:06
#75
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Asia Ace_Y 
why would the heatsinks be terrible? There are much better heatsinks than what the tomahawk has, wtf are u on to? also, he said "better VRMs" VRMs do not include the heatsinks
2019-10-28 12:52
#81
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World ZMDR 
The heatsinks are terrible on some of them, especially MSI boards. I don't know how they messed up so badly but they did, and VRM thermals confirm that. Tomahawk's thermals are much better. And VRM performance relies on both VRM quality and heatsink quality.
2019-10-28 18:49
#12
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
x570 TUF is the best you can get for the money
2019-10-26 16:31
amd omegalul
2019-10-26 16:33
#16
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
intel is since long ago in the rear mirror
2019-10-26 16:35
#17
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World ZMDR 
shintel is 2019 LULW
2019-10-26 16:36
0/8 baits omegalul
2019-10-26 16:43
try again tomorrow
2019-10-26 16:52
#29
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Poland misterr_ 
its 2020 bro
2019-10-26 16:54
#19
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India h4rd^ 
Asus b450-f
2019-10-26 16:37
#20
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World ZMDR 
Going X570 kills the value of your system, which is the whole point of going AMD in the first place. You don't need X570 unless you're going 12 cores or 16 cores. B450/X470 will serve you perfectly fine. I suggest a MAX labeled B450 board from MSI, they support the latest CPUs out of the box and work pretty damn well for memory overclocking etc.
2019-10-26 16:38
+3
2019-10-26 16:44
#32
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
you buy AMD cause they're literally better than intel at everything except games and rare single thread workloads. the latest x570 boards are far more advanced than z390 so if you actually have a brain you go AMD.
2019-10-26 17:01
#36
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World ZMDR 
"everything except games" we're on a gaming website, not really the best way to convince someone and the only thing "advance" about x570 is pcie4, which is useless only navi supports and it still doesnt give it a performance advantage. b450 is the way to go.
2019-10-26 17:25
#28
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India nAgent 
As you have 3700x and 2070 Super in your list, I will recommend X570. Going with B450 is pure foolishness, unless you wish to use this PC for 3 years max then kick it out into the space. if you had anything less than 3600 I would have said, go with B450. But with 3700x not worth it especially when you have 2070 Super.
2019-10-26 16:53
#38
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World ZMDR 
What part about B450 makes it obsolete in 3 years? absolutely nothing. Assuming you get the right board, VRMs are more than sufficient for feeding an 8 core. The only "advantage" X570 has is PCIE4, which is supposed to be phased out soon in favor of PCIE5. Its a "filler" technology, a dumb investment to make for the sake of "futureproofing". Not to mention modern GPUs are nowhere close to saturating PCIE3.
2019-10-26 17:35
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max is realistically all that you will need. Asus X570 TUF Gaming Plus is what you'd ideally want with such a CPU.
2019-10-26 17:04
Asrock x570 taichi
2019-10-26 18:08
good board BUT also bad if you want to use the USB-C port because you cant if you install a gpu good design ASRock... not!
2019-10-26 18:12
#47
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Russia iHaZaR 
Tell me about these power supplies, what do you think? need any from 1 000w Super Flower Leadex II Gold (SF-1200F14EG) 1200W Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Gold 1050W Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Gold 1200W Cooler Master V1000 1000W Cooler Master V1200 Platinum 1200W Corsair RM1000i 1000W Corsair HX1200i 1200W Corsair HX1000i 1000W
2019-10-26 18:21
#54
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United Kingdom levymonsta 
Give us your specs, I doubt you'd ever need 1000W.
2019-10-26 19:37
#60
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Russia iHaZaR 
just say which one is better in your opinion and why
2019-10-26 19:59
#61
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Russia iHaZaR 
which of these power supplies will be the best does not depend on my characteristics
2019-10-26 20:06
#62
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United Kingdom levymonsta 
Out of those I'd get a Corsair RM 1000i, I've one myself. Edit: If money is not an issue go for the HX instead, it's slightly more efficient.
2019-10-26 20:16
#63
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Russia iHaZaR 
1200 or 1000? as I understand it, they are a little different apart from the power
2019-10-26 20:19
#64
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United Kingdom levymonsta 
I'm not sure I understand you. The number specified is the Wattage the supply can output, ie there is no HX 1000i 1200W. Since I don't know your specs I cannot answer what you would need. There is no physical difference between the 1000 and the 1200 other than that the 1000 would be a tad louder since the fan kicks in from 55% load (iiirc)
2019-10-26 20:28
#76
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Europe twitchy_ 
With a normal rig without sli, overclock or super high components you are not going to need more than 600w. I mean, If you need it, it's ok, but if not is a waste of money because those an a good 600w power supply would do the same work. By the way I would look to specialize it reviews because I doubt nobody is using one of them or have tried more than one to know which is better. Corsair should be the best, but maybe is not.
2019-10-28 13:00
#79
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Russia iHaZaR 
ty m8 :) I don’t take it just like that, I definitely need it :)
2019-10-28 15:06
For what? Also, Super Flower Leadex II >>>>>>>>>>>> Corsair RMi.
2019-10-28 20:25
#85
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Russia iHaZaR 
are you sure about this?cause when I read about him, people were not happy
2019-10-28 20:28
Yeah, I'm sure. What did you read?
2019-10-28 21:01
#87
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Russia iHaZaR 
that they have very bad cables and the power after 6 months is not the same as stated
2019-10-28 21:07
That's weird and kinda makes no sense. The components inside those units are top notch. About cables idk, I actually unboxed a Leadex Gold 850w today at work and they felt really nice with quality sleeving. If you're taking about the universal connectors, then I believe they switched back to regular ones on the Leadex II.
2019-10-31 15:52
#51
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Canada herocoolzzz 
go with rx 5700 xt instead, cheaper and perform almost like 2070 super, amd gpu aged very well tho
2019-10-26 19:07
#55
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Japan Johnny_Br@Vo 
asus rog x570-f any 3rd gen rog mobo with AM4 socket
2019-10-26 19:41
#56
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Poland friendlySeb 
x570 should be enough i think.
2019-10-26 19:40
#57
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Switzerland sl4p3z 
i got MSI 570 A PRO, did the bios update and it improved my booting speed from what they say
2019-10-26 19:40
#74
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World ZMDR 
return it if you can lol
2019-10-28 10:08
#80
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Switzerland sl4p3z 
why would i? im really happy that card will be bad only for 3950X , for 3700x its perfect.
2019-10-28 17:42
#82
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World ZMDR 
Its bad for a 3900X too, but for a 3700x it'll be "ok". But why settle for "ok" when you can get much better stuff for a similar price?
2019-10-28 18:51
#83
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Switzerland sl4p3z 
even for 3800x it starts being bad
2019-10-28 18:52
Look at what GamersNexus and ActuallyHardcoreOverclockikg recommend. If they recommend something, then it's worth getting.
2019-10-26 19:52
#66
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Fuck I hate motherboards, so hard to know if they broke. You literally have to go test every other part before you switch out the mother board for a new one and all your problems are gone
2019-10-27 07:12
Asus X470-Pro, make sure they update its BIOS, you may need to pay for that to the seller or go to a service center. X570 doesn't need that but it's overpriced.
2019-10-27 08:55
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