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South America vs Eastern Europe
shroud | 
Argentina juanme555 
I've been seeing a lot of South American hate lately, it mostly has no foundation and talks a bunch of nonsense. 1) Argentina during 1860 up to 1929 was the freest or 2nd freest country in the world, but it was basically U.S, UK and Argentina and then everyone else was 10000000000000 miles below, we had arguably the most individual and economic freedom in the world , we were the richest country in the world in 1895 and 1896 , gliding up and down from 1 to 5 all throughout 1915 to 1929. 2) Chile Panama and Uruguay have a much greater living quality and average salary than Russia, Ukraine, China and Bulgaria, higher GDP Per Capita, Smaller government, lower taxes, less regulations and cleaner and prettier streets in the bigger cities. 3) Chile Panama and Uruguay have much more individual freedoms than Russia and Ukraine , you can progress there due to less regulatory and tributary burdain on the private sector and there are no anti-gay laws. 4) As Chile and Uruguay start to move to leftism because their populations are a joke, Brasil is finally waking up from that nonsense and it seems like they're about to make a huge entrance in the world, Panama is not going towards leftism. 5) Much less colectivism in Panama, Brasil and Chile than in Eastern Europe. This is all without counting Czechia and Estonia of course.
2019-11-05 17:47
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#1
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Italy mmbrnn 
isnt argentina going broke?
2019-11-05 18:00
i said 1860 - 1929 2019 Argentina isn't very different from Ukraine to be frank. 2019 Panama and even Chile up until 2016 however were infinitely superior picks than Eastern Europe (except for Czech Republic and Estonia ofc). Even today Chile Panama and Uruguay are still better places to live than E.Eu ur country a shithole as well tho xd
2019-11-05 18:03
Imagine being from Argentina and saying Italy is a shithole lmao
2019-11-07 21:07
#137
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Brazil JazZ98 
But italy it’s a shithole. That’s a fact depends on tourism to survive lol
2019-11-08 01:35
Italy>SA nt
2019-11-08 08:42
"2019 Argentina isn't very different from Ukraine to be frank." mazepa is coming for your soul
2019-11-08 05:21
2019-11-05 18:19
They can receive 100000$ more but if the prices are 100 times higher it doesn't matter.
2019-11-05 18:20
Depends on what goods you're talking about, food in Chile is much cheaper.
2019-11-05 18:24
#11
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Italy mmbrnn 
bulgaria much better than any sa country
2019-11-05 18:20
+1
2019-11-05 18:23
nop
2019-11-07 09:12
#43
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
+1
2019-11-07 18:39
you have to be pretty retarded to think like that tbh
2019-11-08 05:19
"this shithole smells better than this other shithole"
2019-11-05 18:21
+1 imagine bragging about being richer than gypsies LMAO
2019-11-07 19:22
Why do you count Estonia if its not even Eastern Europe? In fact, Baltic states are not EE
2019-11-07 17:22
rly?
2019-11-07 17:23
Yes upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/t.. (red is EE) people put Baltic states in Eastern Europe because they were in Soviet Union. But thats wrong geographically and culturally. Eastern Europe are basically slavic nations and none of the Baltic states are slavic
2019-11-07 17:29
But aren't Polaks baltic race???
2019-11-07 18:19
no
2019-11-07 23:54
#46
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
0/8 estonia is the only nordic country others are EE and this map is full of bullshit serbia not EE? ofc ofc
2019-11-07 18:40
estonia nordic country? pls dont talk about something u dont know
2019-11-07 23:54
Baltic = Easter Europe tho
2019-11-07 20:35
The United Nations has classified Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania as Northern European countries instead of Eastern European.* According to the United Nations, Northern European countries are Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom.
2019-11-07 23:57
dude you bringing 1800s data lmao latam is doomed, only decent in chile and uruguay brazil is dangerous asf mexico is corruption and cartel wars argentina just died rest are just way worse
2019-11-07 17:27
Brasil is gonna change and if you dont like it cry and roll on the floor esquerdalha lixo. Chile is actually about to turn into Argentina V2. Uruguay is shit. Argentina's been dead for 70 years. Panama is good.
2019-11-07 18:15
left > right
2019-11-07 18:20
Except in reality. Your country is about to embrace freedom, will turn much better for it, all them RICH CAPITALIST will make your country greater than ever and you're gonna be mad, because you're a piece of cowardly authoritarian shit colectivist pussy.
2019-11-07 18:23
left > right tho
2019-11-07 18:25
Right > Left ps: left worst scum in history of humanity and Earth.
2019-11-07 18:27
If u see this from diferent scopes i could be left = right, or right =/= left ... what has the left is precisely the education (u making this argument), but what has the right is the concrete progress, the structures and positive freedom (which can be a LIE in certain subjects-persons).
2019-11-07 18:31
What do you mean by the left has education? you mean that the left has taken control of educational institutions?
2019-11-07 18:33
no, no.. i mean, 'left' gives u social-historical-etc... not invested-compromised-interesed-... education - basically u study JUST to know (what Aristotle defend in human nature).
2019-11-07 18:34
Im sorry but no, the left feeds you a bunch of equalitarian bullshit and rewrites history constantly, you have to go on your own to get a real good look at history and you'll end up finding out that these scumbags always fucked everyone up while claiming virtue...it's fucking repugnant, SPECIALLY during the French revolution, started out of resentment claiming they'd seek and achieve liberty and became an equalitarian top down fully centralized brutal monarchy even worst than King Louis inoperant crown, it's one of the most blatant pre-marx communist revolutions, it has NOTHING to do with the U.S American revolution in terms of ideals.
2019-11-07 18:39
My point is A-historical, an is this: when the education is free (state in a leftist attitude towards economy) u don't think about the income money u have invested (father puts u in a 1000000k career, u have to PRODUCE 10000000000000k income), there's is no initial bet in the other way, in that sense, u could learn just for the knowledge it-self which is the absolute freedom (based on Hegel).
2019-11-07 18:42
But to respond ur message: everyone, and everywhere History re-writes itself over and over no matter who is and what for. The French Revolution as an Ideal, and just like it, was the sense of humanity, in that sense is great (we could still be in a monarch system with kings and queens making religious extra-moral decisions for you, instead of Reason it-self).
2019-11-07 18:44
Ufff you wrote a lot of bullshit. Education is never free, the argument for state public education back then was that over half the world was illiterate , that being erradicated public education should've been abolished with it but just as every social program, it comes to stay and it always does far more harm than good. Keep this in mind, if it werent for public education the entire world would be much freer and more prosperous, and yes it would also be a lot more "unequal" , still a much better, wealthier, fairer and happier world. The conclusion you came upon for the French revolution is appalling.
2019-11-07 18:55
As u are appalling me, and bullshited me. I shall stop then. And as u don't like 'free things', i hope u will paid my time, and watch all the mathematicians philosophers that produce the free-educational-system of France. Just for Fun: que viva el che!
2019-11-07 19:12
That's where you lefties fail to understand the "free" stuff argument. See, i never requested for your time, you willingly decided to come into my thread and engage, so i followed through. I am supposed to pay for something i want. The phillosophers of France are all retarded , they're very well articulated and spoken mannered individuals with shitty ideas and theories that have lead to nothing but misery and trauma. Their educational system sucks, that's why their society is shit and why their country is an unsustainable shithole. Im not surprised you adhere to all of this seeing your flag...Colombia hahahaha , the leftists who think they're right wingers because they elect conservative statists. What a joke this region has turned into pfffff
2019-11-07 19:17
I was joking on you, i in fact remember a Sketch of Monty python where an enterprise actually CASH for fights! hahahahaha i still waiting for my money juanme555, i know u want to responde this and, for thus, pay ME! Long live to Rousseau, Deleuze, Sartre, Descartes... <3, Grothendieck, Sellers, Cartan,... <3.
2019-11-07 19:20
Nope because your replies are not something that i've requested at all and to be frank, they don't hold any value, not talking shit dog just keeping it real to the game. I hate the fact that Colombia is and always been a shithole , i hate the fact that Bolivia is and always been a shithole, i hate the fact that Venezuela is a shithole and almost always been a shithole. When are you going to realize that big government, "free" shit and things that you think the government NEEDS to give you are actually whats been drowning you in misery for centuries??? how fucking stupid does one have to be??? jesus...
2019-11-07 19:23
If they aren't requested, why u keep replying, i still want to pay me even more? wow, dud chill.. haha. And i can't hold what hazard has putting me into, i just firm my luck and probabilities in any place i am. Realice the realigned real can't be my real, just as assuming the real and putting as real to the reality can't be my dis-aligned reality of the real hahah u owe me juan juan. Pd: Jesus invocated in the hall
2019-11-07 19:27
I keep replying because that is how an argument operates, it's mutual consent...if you wished to quit the argument you'd quit replying...if i CREATED THE FUCKING Thread im obviously willing to argue to the end, if you're not then you should quit replying, if you keep replying you want to keep engaging in a mutually consented argument. It's so sad that mutual-consent, private property and freedom of speech are basically evil inhuman concepts to the Colombian society, it is also reasonable...seeing the country.
2019-11-07 19:36
facebook.com/watch/?v=570647616436432. this will said it all
2019-11-07 19:37
Nationalism in Hegel. I, personally, like the political oriented of HLTV's forums: the process of the discussions, insults, arguing, topics, development.... etc; but one shall just imagine, this, without showing off the User Country Flags . Hegel said there's a consciousness where the only thing that's left for them is their country. But i think this is used not only where them, the Empty Subject (for using G. Agamben Term), feel left or lack about, but where they feel where to start on, or what is their only 'real' content to start talking 'reality'. As L Wittgenstein said: there's a life which the only use they take of their language is, what their language give them. (Imagine an 'empty guy' without the a-priori rational structure of his/her language, he/she would go crazy!!, just as without a country!).
2019-11-07 19:49
You do realize that Hegel and Marx laid the foundations to Germany's hyperinflationary crisis of the 20's right? im glad you read it, im not glad you seriously take his content this serious. In any case, i hope Colombia will one day embrace freedom...but i dont see this happening any time soon, even living right next to Venezuela your people are still BEGGING for more government....good god...
2019-11-07 19:56
Ideology in Zizek. There's a point when the Fictional and the Real meet, and that is Violence. Massacres, Racism, Shootings, Wrath in Tweets, Immigrant Discrimination, Bombs, ... etc. In the Perverts Guide to Ideology (a Movie of Zizek) he explains that someone, just one subject, embodied himself ALL the Ideology of his World. Basically he/she go nuts - cuz he can't repressed anymore the fiction that lies in reality. He or She becomes the addiction itself (THE Porn Star, THE Movie Actor, THE President, THE Nationalist extreme guy... etc) all of these are ideologies, or basically the necessary fictions humans made for remain 'sane' or with 'sanity' within reality. (Imagine an 'empty guy' without the a-priori rational structure of his/her language, he/she would go crazy!!, just as without a country!).
2019-11-08 01:10
right shootings = 250 left shootings = 0 right putting kids in cages = thousands left = 0 right racism = yes left = no
2019-11-07 18:34
but u have to agree with him, left-stated politics failed. what u could defend is some post-leftist attitudes like mini-revelions - the points is, left could be as totalitarian fascist assholes as the right. (EX: Mao tse Tung, Banda de los Cuatro, Genetics-Communism of Hitler, ... etc.)
2019-11-07 18:37
How can you defend governments like PT in brazil?
2019-11-07 19:32
#21
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United States Number1User 
South America needs fascism
2019-11-07 17:28
South America needs Minarchist Libertarianism like Argentina in 1853-1928 , if other countries copied that model they'd be soooo much more developed than Western Europe...it's so sad.
2019-11-07 18:16
bring swat vest if you go to south america guys
2019-11-07 17:38
sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?progr.. Seems like they never stood a chance, even with a kevlar vest.
2019-11-07 18:18
and defuse kit if you go to sw...
2019-11-07 18:23
+9999999999999999999999
2019-11-07 18:23
that doesnt make any sense dude?
2019-11-07 18:55
#25
2019-11-07 18:55
whats ur point that was one of the worst attacks in swedens modern history and its daily basis for braziL
2019-11-07 19:01
? Brasil doesn't have terrorism.
2019-11-07 19:01
#67
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Belgium Miiyata 
Brazilians cant afford bombs cuz the country didnt embrace freedom kekw
2019-11-07 19:38
Well, thing is... we'll never get terrorist attacks like you get on Europe because you're inherently beta coward individuals by rule (there's exceptions ofc) , Argentina embraced real freedom like your joke of a country never did, in fact like no country besides U.S and UK ever did, and we had millions of people coming abroad, we were the richest country in the wolrd in 1895 and 96, and stayed on the top5 for 20 more years, take a wild guess on how many terrorist attacks we had.
2019-11-07 19:40
#69
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Belgium Miiyata 
Holy shit, relaxxx. Why are you so negative and stuck up about politics. Always ramming on about politics makes you legit become a negative person if you dont study for this and campaign in argentina
2019-11-07 19:45
You know what? I find it amazing that you're not "ramming on about politics" at all yet in every political thread i always see you "fighting the evil rich capitalist oligarchs" and talking wonders of equality and "free" stuff. I am a realist, if we stoped turning a blind eye to the actually terrible stuff in this world to avoid confrontation...eh...shit might not be as fucked up as it is. In any case, dunno who you're trying to sell your bullshit apolitical stuff, you havent changed your name ever, a bunch of people in these threads recognizes you...theres literally like 3 belgian users in this site.
2019-11-07 19:53
#73
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Belgium Miiyata 
Read only few lines but dude you are insulting ppl and litteraly raging. I stronlgy advise you to actually start politics in Arg. I mean it for your goodness btw Edit: OK i actually read everything and i will always say this. Free market for economic growth but not only in hands of rich ppl. Thats my stance. But ill say again, i have seen you write you would punch ppl and stuff like this, its pretty crazy dont you think? Or do you find this total normal behavioir
2019-11-07 20:00
Nah i dont rage generally, its really hard. Im just bad mannered like that, if i tried to speak fancy i'd be too fake i can't do it. I seriously advice you to JUST take a look at Thomas Sowell and Friedrich Hayek.
2019-11-07 20:01
#76
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Belgium Miiyata 
I am not that into politics to start reading books. But did you ever consider going into politics in Arg?
2019-11-07 20:03
Nah, the leftism virus has been too perfect in this shithole, there's no hope for this country, for now i wanna get out. My dream is to grab the non leftist region of Argentina (there's actually a 5 Provinces region in the center that doesn't vote statism lul) , empower them to quit being a bunch of pussies and independize from this fucking decadent shithole. Man you aint got a clue of the misery you see everyday here...
2019-11-07 20:12
#78
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Belgium Miiyata 
Well since i'm not from there and never been. I legit can't talk for SA. Perhaps there, since (i think, didnt check) it's still not a developped continent, free market is indeed the way to go to boost the economy and make it grow. But for me, the role model of this world, is a country like Norway or DK. Also i sometimes read here that free market = freedom. But this is what i find ridicilous. To me freedom goes way deeper... A rich man can't become richer without the expense of someone working for him. And i am fully aware we need the rich to become richer.
2019-11-07 20:20
So you see how you talk about Denmark and Norway? this is exactly the same way every leftist spoke about New Zealand in the 70's and Sweden in the 90's , you see...it's always a success until it crumbles like hell and then "it wasn't real leftism" , i wonder which will be your next role model when Denmark and Norway crash, if you learned anything about basic economics you'd be VERY surprised about how soon this will happen. If you truly think the rich get rich AT THE EXPENSE of the non-rich , you've got it wrong man. Aint expecting much tho since Belgium never had freedom. Agreed that just trading freedom isn't real freedom.
2019-11-07 20:31
LOL that was good
2019-11-07 21:05
thanks for this. this is some litterated argument! S. America had his chance, maybe it could return, greetings parcero
2019-11-07 18:28
#34
meyern | 
Sweden meistr0 
NT! Panama is a central American country.
2019-11-07 18:29
Yeah but they're still Latin American. Anyways they're actually north american , central america doesn't exist, all of those shitty caribean central island are all in North America. It's just north and south and Panama is in the North.
2019-11-07 18:34
Panama was from the ancient 'la Gran-Colombia' :(, still we all speak NOT SPANISH but Latin. From mexico to arg.
2019-11-07 18:39
#60
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United States ottovonlousie 
Except Eastern Europe is actually pretty and nice to visit and live in
2019-11-07 19:24
Yeah im sure you'd love to live in Ukraine or Latvia. pffffff cringy commiefornian.
2019-11-07 19:25
#82
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United States ottovonlousie 
I would it's beautiful! I would rather love in Slovakia but still beautiful. I'm from texas
2019-11-07 20:38
No, im talking Ukraine or Latvia. Would you move from Texas to Ukraine?
2019-11-07 21:36
Yes I hate it in America, especially the South
2019-11-08 05:02
#84
flusha | 
Lithuania fbhx 
latvia is miles ahead of your shithole which you call home lol
2019-11-07 20:41
poland is pretty much socialist and economically speaking a leftist country, and look at this images.app.goo.gl/ykZMnDuNDN2U8dy37
2019-11-07 19:59
#80
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Argentina is a fucking shit whole and not a single fuckign soul outside of fucking Argentina gives a fuck that you were the 2nd freest country from some time noone gives a shit about to a time when noone give a shit about
2019-11-07 20:33
#86
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United States PsychoLogical 
christ this comment thread is cancer.
2019-11-07 20:44
#87
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Are you saying you dont care about irrelevant shithole in south America? Couldn't imagine
2019-11-07 20:46
#91
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United States PsychoLogical 
Juanny boi here is just a hypocritical doofus half of the time. Relax. Do I care about SA? Yes and No. Basically 50/50.
2019-11-07 20:50
#93
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
I was joke man. The dude is actually a fuckign npc when talking about anything. Somehow he will always bring up in this date to this date how Argentina wasnt the shithole it is now.
2019-11-07 20:53
Im probably the most consistent user in the entire site. My man you said you wanted to abolish the sales tax and then you wanted to implement a sales tax with a different name...pls 🤣🤣🤣
2019-11-07 20:58
+1
2019-11-07 20:47
And yous the cherry on top ;) Hi broda how u doin
2019-11-07 20:49
#92
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United States PsychoLogical 
you tell me.
2019-11-07 20:50
your whole post is garbage what the fuck are you talking about we live in the 21st century in case you didn't already notice.
2019-11-07 20:46
#94
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Buttt from 1142 to 1143 Argentina was a global powerhouse :))))
2019-11-07 20:54
Tbh your country is a little cringeworthy island filled with beta males and slutty promiscuous girls where incest is all but uncommon. Very hypocritical from you to call my country a shithole.
2019-11-07 20:59
#103
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Atleast you know where my country is. Ask most people from actually first world country's and a good percentage of em wont even know Argentina exists.
2019-11-07 21:08
No actually most people dont even know your country exist, in fact a bunch of people think Finland is a Scandinavian country and dont know your tiny beta land exists. Argentina is next to Brasil so its much easier to point, its the 8th largest country in the world, if you seriously cant point it out then u straight retarde xd btw, you put a map into anyone from Germany, Portugal, Spain, France and OBVIOUSLY...Italy , you ask them to point Argentina and they'll get it right within the first 3 tries. Your country a bunch of them wont know exists hahahahahahahaha.
2019-11-07 21:11
#108
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
People actually know the name because of the retared naming of Iceland and Greenland. Nothing else. Better than shit hole brazil and shit hole Argentina
2019-11-07 21:14
#104
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
And I know your a protectionist moron but cmon man do you really think I give a fuck what people do in their free times. I'm not an authoritarian like you, I dont care what actions they want to partake in
2019-11-07 21:10
?!?!?!?!?! ME A PROTECTIONIST???? ARE YOU INSANE???????
2019-11-07 21:12
#107
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
You are.
2019-11-07 21:13
How????
2019-11-07 21:14
#111
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Do you think that we should go to a global economy. Or another question is do you think you should export labor ?
2019-11-07 21:15
Global Economy you dont know what you're talking about. I believe in 0% taxes on imports or exports, government shouldn't intervene nor get a cut in private's assets trading. If private companies decide to outsource they have the right to do so, but in my ideal country it wouldn't happen since the reason they outsource is due to tax and regulatory burdain, and in my country they'd barelly get taxed at all and they'd basically go unregulated, my ideal country would be the paradise where companies go to outsource to. Is funny cuz you're actually the protectionist.
2019-11-07 21:18
#113
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
O ok your not a protectionist but your actually dumber than a fucking protectionist
2019-11-07 21:19
Nah dog, you just have to call me dumb because you realize im GOOD and you can't wrap your head around the concept of freedom, its alien to you. Beta authoritarian coward cuck, you'd come crawling on your knees to the country i advocate for.
2019-11-07 21:20
#115
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
God I remember when vix used to call your dumb ass out on useing loaded language. Dumb fucks never change do they
2019-11-07 21:22
Im still not sure if you're Vyrox or Vyx or BigBaguette on alt.
2019-11-07 21:23
#118
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
You think those 3 can keep an alt quite for more than 20 minutes? And I just think your a dumb fuck who will flip flop on issues when it benefits your opinion
2019-11-07 21:24
#116
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Also what you want is the same as fucking anarcho commies. It will literally never happen
2019-11-07 21:23
Nope, i want Minarchist Libeartianism. Just abolish almost everything, except security and justice. Abolish almost all labour laws. Abolish all taxes but income and corporate taxes, make it unconstitutional to tax at doble digits at all levels. Then give full autonomy to the provinces eliminating co-participation. Argentina already did this and it worked AMAZINGLY.
2019-11-07 21:25
#120
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Yup so somthing that a coutnry did 100 years ago that would never work today? Would love to see the shit stem rolled by Brazil because your beta ass country couldn't defend its self
2019-11-07 21:28
2+2 was 4 100 years ago, 200 years ago and 500 years ago. Politics didn't kill that system because it didn't work, Politicians killed that system off because they were able to fool people into the system that benefits politicians and their friends. We'd have a very good army since that's literally 1 of the 2 functions the federal government would apply itself to...can you read??? Also Brasil is our brother country they would never invade us btw.
2019-11-07 21:31
#125
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Gotta love conspiracy theorists. Fuck off ya joke of a person
2019-11-07 21:36
Stats are on my side my man. Government expenditure over GDP was 5% in Argentina in 1895 , as it rises and with it, taxes and regulations rises too, world ranking GDP Per capita falls drastically, this started happened after the first military coup in 1930...terrible stuff, and you're on their side. You're a fucking shitty weak ass beta cuck coward.
2019-11-07 21:38
its also funny seeing these revanchists talking about how their country was a globa powerhouse when that insinuates nothing but harmful to them.
2019-11-07 20:59
Its not so much about BEING the richest, is about HOW was that country the richest. European countries were rich af but never really free and 0 opportunity in feudal monarchic societies, yall always been a shithole, UK carried the shit out of your continent and you STILL never adopted nor understood freedom, you're destined to be the beta males of the world bud..take pride in it, its in your blood after all hahahahahaha.
2019-11-07 21:01
Eastern Europe
2019-11-07 20:59
#110
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Canada Herodionus 
Flag checks out
2019-11-07 21:15
#126
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Bulgaria goshyy 
Fair enough ahaha we don't get that much money so we migrate to a different country, the same situation with Argentina, that makes us pretty much the same.
2019-11-07 21:36
Yeah i admit my country's shit situation. Good on you to do the same, i knew HLTV was leftist and gross as fuck but these levels of Eurocentrism are fucking repugnant, these European roaches migrated by the millions to Argentina and U.S in the 1800's and now wanna act as if they were the best, even though today the middle east and south east asia are richer per capita and in some cases, freer too.
2019-11-07 21:40
lol didnt read btw argentina is not white
2019-11-07 22:05
Eastern eu for sure
2019-11-08 05:24
#142
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Russia seized_goat 
Tldr; Eastern Europe >>> South Amreica
2019-11-08 05:32
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