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SG-553 balancing sugestion
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
Keep everything the same, but make it impossible to kill with 3 shots, make it 4 shots at every range against armor, keep it`s 1 headshot kill capabilities
2019-11-09 22:06
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#1
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Finland Love_God 
Just make it a bit more expensive and maybe a slight ROF nerf
2019-11-09 22:08
#8
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
+1
2019-11-09 22:13
#133
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United States TorrN_ 
this
2019-11-11 21:06
+1
2019-11-12 04:53
#163
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India Wise_Indian 
+1
2019-11-12 05:58
Pointless..both raising the price AND nerfing the rof will kill the gun. No one will pay extra 400-500$ for a scope. Just raise the price...they should have done the same with the aug, but now its dead. Its a fair trade, you get a better rifle than the default (m4, ak), but you'll have to pay.
2019-11-12 16:21
#174
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Finland Love_God 
Increase price by 300$ and rof a bit
2019-11-12 16:50
the rof is what killed the aug
2019-11-14 04:21
And spray... I used to get so many kills when AUG was meta but noooooo we'll nerf the rof and accuracy fucken ass holes at valve
2019-11-14 11:51
#230
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United States ferric 
Do you happen to be a player for ENCE?
2019-11-15 01:42
no wtf mens)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
2019-11-15 09:09
+1
2019-11-14 04:34
#204
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Romania TheFatKid 
+1
2019-11-14 11:47
#2
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United Kingdom replicanoob 
$3300 nothing else, no nerfs why nerf it
2019-11-09 22:08
#31
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Brazil goatzera 
+1
2019-11-10 04:58
#36
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Brazil Biel675 
$3100
2019-11-10 05:27
#41
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Finland Smoonah 
$3150
2019-11-11 03:15
Elige said 4000$ will be good
2019-11-11 03:19
#86
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Palestine MrZoldiK 
Too expensive, maximum 3500$
2019-11-11 14:19
+1
2019-11-12 04:54
$3500 is perfect for how good it is
2019-11-14 00:25
#199
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Palestine MrZoldiK 
+1 , just increasing the price will solve the issue
2019-11-14 10:18
it will just make csgo back to ak vs m4
2019-11-14 18:14
totally agree. so this gun will be used when you have good economy only, and when everyone has 5000 there will be good old ak-47
2019-11-14 10:37
Elige can suck a fat one, no one will spend 4000 on the gun. It's not that powerful, people need to stop exaggerating everything.
2019-11-11 14:20
thats why people throwing their awp away to play the krieg
2019-11-11 17:47
#127
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United States xxpowmanxx 
People only do that CT side when they have plenty of money, they also do that for AK47.
2019-11-11 20:17
What you said applys to the ak. You allways pick sg over awp as ct
2019-11-11 21:20
#149
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United States xxpowmanxx 
Not always, just when money is not a concern.
2019-11-12 02:27
#181
flusha | 
United States ctb^_^ 
sg is legit a 30 bullet automatic awp on ct side theres no reason to never not pick up an sg over an awp on ct
2019-11-14 00:21
Ya cuz sg is one shot to upper body rite
2019-11-14 00:25
#185
flusha | 
United States ctb^_^ 
might as well be since its 3 shot and shoots fast as fuck
2019-11-14 04:07
#200
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Finland Qurko 
gold nova, flag checks out
2019-11-14 10:23
#215
flusha | 
United States ctb^_^ 
so you think awp is better than sg on ct side?
2019-11-14 20:50
#231
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United States ferric 
Nah, sometimes I'd definitely take an awp over a krieg on CT side if I was facing a buy round. I'd definitely take a krieg over the awp tho if i knew that they were gonna eco next round.
2019-11-15 01:44
honestly it should be like 6500 dollars it so good men it need more money to spend than auto and armor
2019-11-11 15:02
#125
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Greece Gianopoulos 
Who CArs about elige
2019-11-11 20:13
elige said he would still buy the gun at $4100-4500. IMO should be $3600
2019-11-11 04:59
#64
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Iceland CHAPOLE! 
absolute bull crap, no one is going to be buying this weapon if its over 3300 on t side unless they are stomping the enemy team and have infinite bank
2019-11-11 13:39
#65
Germany pmb  
+1
2019-11-11 13:42
imagine having to eco 4 rounds striaght to buy a weapon + full armor + grenades elige is full of bullshit
2019-11-11 13:50
2019-11-11 13:53
Him saying it doesn't mean him meaning it
2019-11-11 14:59
#135
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
What a stupid comment
2019-11-11 21:09
I don't think he will
2019-11-14 04:34
8/8 3300 seems like a fair price for how powerful it is. i'd still buy it, its recoil is ridicilously insane after practising it for like an hour its easy for a scrub like me to master.
2019-11-11 17:16
Just buff everything else, that way we can achieve realism and make people shoot lasers instead of bullets. That way CS will remain popular, ez profit.
2019-11-11 22:10
#164
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India Wise_Indian 
+1
2019-11-12 05:58
#3
ropz | 
Canada Bucket0 
I honestly agree with this but only foresee a cost change
2019-11-09 22:09
should just make it 4000$ so teams can't buy it round 2 after bomb plant.
2019-11-11 05:39
Too expensive for T side tbh, nobody would use it, $3500 maybe?
2019-11-11 22:11
#160
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United States Samsquanch_ 
I honestly think 3750 would make the game more interesting. Makes the weapon a viable scope option if an awper can’t afford the awp, while still being semi reasonable. Also 1000 more than AK which is justified by higher rof, bullet acc, and scope.
2019-11-12 05:02
#187
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Russia yeyeye 
3750
2019-11-14 04:18
#4
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Canada fvrkan 
just make it 3300 holy fucking damn why does everyone ponder that shit day and night
2019-11-09 22:10
Because the game is fucked with it in the game regardless of its price.
2019-11-11 05:45
+1 im sick of seeing it at all would be happier if it was just gone from the game it is ridiculous to watch and play against
2019-11-11 05:46
waaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah why do players use something other than the ak
2019-11-11 15:08
spotted the silver
2019-11-12 03:27
flag checks out
2019-11-12 13:31
I don't think you understand how damage in CS works...
2019-11-09 22:14
#61
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Liechtenstein Niko0 
I dont think that you do. You can lower down base damage and bump up headshot multiplier
2019-11-11 13:35
#161
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United States jaeger_steam 
+1 each gun has a different HS multiplier. you could make the bizon a one shot HS if you really wanted to
2019-11-12 05:06
#167
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Liechtenstein Niko0 
I think negev with a 5x hs multiplier would be a fun thing :D imagine those wallbang oneshots with negev
2019-11-12 10:50
#175
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United States jaeger_steam 
nah. revert the negev to how it was before they fucked it up, instead make those changes to the m249, and then jack up the HS multiplier! old negev was so much better, and the m249 is still absolute trash
2019-11-12 21:04
You sure about that? I think headshot is always 4x.
2019-11-14 00:15
#13
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France J0riS 
And make it 3200$ so you can choose firepower or grenades
2019-11-09 22:15
#15
s1mple | 
India fs0sp 
Increase the price to 2900
2019-11-10 04:28
+100 finally a smart person.
2019-11-10 04:45
#38
s1mple | 
India fs0sp 
Ty men
2019-11-11 03:02
#117
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Estonia Nap0le0n 
+1
2019-11-11 17:53
Price 2750
2019-11-10 04:29
#23
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United States ottovonlousie 
+1 smart Finnish masterrace
2019-11-10 04:48
ak can kill in 3 aswell
2019-11-10 04:32
#19
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United States porcupine2020 
sg has 667 rpm so slightly faster kill as well, true ak does 34 damage to stomach armored
2019-11-10 04:43
#18
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
tbf its already ok but aug back to old og aug when teams abused it
2019-11-10 04:37
#21
allu | 
Switzerland Jeded 
Name does not check out
2019-11-10 04:47
#28
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
what
2019-11-10 04:54
Ence and augs
2019-11-14 10:34
everyone and augs* and if u think ence used it a lot, nah aerial used m4a1 and added that allu (bot allu) played with awp, and sometiems even double awp on ct site
2019-11-14 16:40
That’s what he said, not me.
2019-11-14 18:06
Make the price 3500. a gun that broken should be an investment just like the awp.
2019-11-10 04:47
#24
GuardiaN | 
Other Darge 
Just revert the AUG changes and the meta will find a new balance, do what Valve intended to do at first. AUG was so OP because teams still were playing mostly with AKs instead of SGs, but we could find a new balance. If nerfs are needed that would be a lot more fair and reasonable ground to start with changes to scoped guns.
2019-11-10 04:52
this would balance it, probably. but many people would not like the scope meta. ak m4 has been a staple of the game ever since 1.6 and requires much more skill!
2019-11-11 05:01
#60
GuardiaN | 
Other Darge 
I've been playing CS since even before 1.6 and I don't mind the scope meta at all, I honestly feel like CS has moved way beyond ScreaM's kind of flicks. It needs to move on the direction that Astralis is pushing it, where smart CS beats raw skill. Scoped guns add new variables to the game, you shouldn't nerf those but instead change the way you play with them. Like make that the AUG noticeably slow you down but without all the current nerfs, that the SG pattern go wild after the first 3 bullets if you aren't scoped. Make them non-expensive viable guns, but force the players to put some thought behind going for the scoped guns or not. The game will only gain in depth if there's more good options to play with, just don't make guns better or worse, make them different.
2019-11-11 13:11
#77
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North America Sluttysally 
+1 this is so true. Especially the remark about how Astralis is pushing the limits of the game
2019-11-11 13:58
"that the SG pattern go wild after the first 3 bullets if you aren't scoped." krieg spray is ez as fuck on first 10 bullets you clearly havent played 1.6 stfu you dumb fuck. people always shit like "ive played since 1.6" on Krieg nerf threads bruh im sure as fucking hell ure at most a Nova
2019-11-12 03:35
If you claim that the pattern is easy and I want a harder one, aren't we on the same page then? Just go to play MM since that's how you measure skill and game knowledge, you may have some silvers to impress.
2019-11-12 09:26
#62
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Liechtenstein Niko0 
I think just nerfing sg's firerate just a bit and bumping up augs rate same would make the game perfect. Ak's and m4's would be still better at close range and krieg's and aug's would rule at maps like dust etc
2019-11-11 13:37
I had a break with using AUG, but recetly I tried it and it's still a good weapon, especially on longer distances, holding Long on Dust 2 or Outside on Nuke is very easy.
2019-11-11 21:11
It's still too expensive, picking between M4 or AUG should be an strategic choice and don't be influenced by economy. AUG price needs to drop down so we can balance the SG on an even ground, I want them to see play and don't be throwed into the garbage bin.
2019-11-12 01:10
#25
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United States Nohj 
just lower the firerate like they did with the aug
2019-11-10 04:53
SG is fine you guys should improve your skill lul
2019-11-10 04:54
#69
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Australia CLEGGY 
+1
2019-11-11 13:46
It needs a power nerf $ nerf ehh
2019-11-10 04:54
#29
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Australia Lon3wolf12 
Make the scope fall off after the first kill lmao.
2019-11-10 04:56
#37
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China Rynaki 
Very smart mens +1
2019-11-10 05:31
#30
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
just make it 5000$ since its better than awp
2019-11-10 04:57
#32
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China Blitzer 
They should raise the price, lower the fire rate, and increase the recoil because there's almost no recoil on it compared to other rifles.
2019-11-10 04:58
"and increase the recoil because there's almost no recoil on it compared to other rifles" What? SG 553 has a raw recoil amount of 28 per bullet (second only to the ak at 30) and when combined with its high ROF it gains the single highest raw recoil of any rifle in the game (unscoped, of course)
2019-11-10 05:23
#34
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China Blitzer 
i mean... a hardly "pattern" for the recoil, like it's ridiculously easy to manage compared to ak and m4 when you realize it's basically a diagonal line.
2019-11-10 05:24
that's true, but just "increase the recoil" doesn't fix that problem, does it? the only real way to change that is to change the pattern...
2019-11-10 05:26
#193
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
is that really ez for u ? full kriegg recoil is so hard to control even the master himself ELiGE cant make a 'perfect' one
2019-11-14 04:40
#39
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Singapore Blloopy 
Ez make it more expensive ($3200) and make it so that it cannot one shot helmeted enemies.
2019-11-11 03:11
They will most likely do to the krig what they did to the aug.
2019-11-11 03:14
all these threads about heavily nerf krieg make me mad. its gun that was always there and now just cuz price drop all pros and everybody and their mom complain about it. 1st raise price to 3200 then see how it plays out not just massive nerf all at once like aug
2019-11-11 04:51
this, valve never does stable changes, they always make gun useless after nerf. if they wanted players to use bigger variety of guns, they would start dropping m4a1-s price by few hundred dollars, see where it goes and raise krieg prices and check the numbers. its so fucking simple dont even have to change bullets, damage or anything just manipulate usage % by fucking price hello dogs
2019-11-11 05:03
"it has always been there" is a bad argument if there was always been a dick in your mouth you wouldnt want to remove it is that so?
2019-11-11 05:05
+! Lol, these braindead logics. "It's soo retarded and nobody realized it until now soo bcz nobody realized it up until now, It shouldn't be nerfed."
2019-11-11 14:15
valve knows 2 things -make it op -trash it im fine with that since the krieg is cancer.
2019-11-11 06:17
if they want to get perfect balance, they should start adding 100$ to price every other update and check the usage numbers. smol brian volvo
2019-11-11 05:03
Who actually enjoys watching this weapon being used at a pro level? Remove scoped automatic rifles.
2019-11-11 05:01
#54
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Australia zanics 
i dont mind the aug existing in its current state tbh good sometimes but not always delete krieg or nerf it into the ground
2019-11-11 05:43
#137
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Yeah tbh the current state of the AUG is fine. Situational with some advantages over the m4 and some weaknesses but not prioritized by every player in the server, that's how it should be.
2019-11-11 21:12
Spray changes will only catch up in 3-4 months after a couple of pro teams grind the gun more. Reduce its rate of fire to be the same as the AK and make it 3100 so people will buy it for the scope and the first bullet accuracy instead of the 1 second 3 body shot kill
2019-11-11 05:47
+1
2019-11-11 16:49
Dumbest suggestion on HLTV without a doubt.
2019-11-11 05:49
#63
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Sweden hjelm[arN] 
3000$ and remove scope, keep stats
2019-11-11 13:39
Should be £4750 like the other gun with a scope that can one shot
2019-11-11 13:48
sorry did you mean $1700? because that's the price of another gun with a scope that can one shot 🙃
2019-11-11 15:11
#105
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Poland morosek 
You mean 3300? Scout can 1shot only with hs or when enemy doesn't have a kevlar (and still it's not a 100% guaranteed 1shot kill).
2019-11-11 16:18
wow, so it's exactly like the krieg, just not automatic
2019-11-11 19:50
only people who stick up for this gun is silver kids who can't get kills without it
2019-11-11 17:13
At least Silver kids know that the scout exists; expected from UK CS.
2019-11-14 04:37
lmao ching chong cs equally bad quality get over yourself, scout has been dead since they removed the ability to jump scout just a waste of money
2019-11-14 11:44
equalize damage with aug . exclude armor penetration
2019-11-11 13:56
who asked you for suggestionts ? fucking retards
2019-11-11 14:00
#80
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Finland Trashsports_2 
5000 dollars same stats
2019-11-11 14:16
#84
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Korea ecsta_s1 
switch accuracy of ak&m4 with krieg then nerf price to 3000$
2019-11-11 14:18
Take scope off Have it so it's same price and then $400 extr for the scope.
2019-11-11 14:21
#89
k0nfig | 
Denmark QDouble 
just make it 3300$ and we good
2019-11-11 14:24
Yes players pick sg over awp, but won't pay 3300 for it
2019-11-11 17:45
they pick it over awp because you can't buy the krieg on ct side
2019-11-11 20:16
Yes? Did they pick ak instead of awp? If they didn't, why didn't they? They can't get ak on ct
2019-11-11 20:53
it's based on the financial situation if you have money to spare, you can take an ak/krieg over since you can buy an awp regardless if you don't, it's better to guarantee an awp instead of getting the weapon you can't buy
2019-11-11 20:58
Not so much, sg is the best wepon in the game so pick awp over it is just retarded, and most pros are not retards
2019-11-11 21:18
leave the SG as it is, but make it burst fire only weapon. Would still be useful, bnut different than ak
2019-11-11 14:56
#97
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North America X3phyR 
Spread out recoil, reduce firerate and decrease movement with gun
2019-11-11 15:00
RoF nerf AND base damage or armour pen nerf (no more 3 shot kills ffs) are both needed. After those two are done, the cost should be slightly increased to maybe 2900 or 3000. Keep the scope and leave the weapon specifically to duel awps
2019-11-11 16:13
#104
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Poland morosek 
make it deal same damage as m4, leave old recoil pattern. Ez useless weapon
2019-11-11 16:16
best solution: all teams spawn with Krieg. Even on pistol round
2019-11-11 16:58
Like with Aug, less accurate when not scopeing
2019-11-11 17:45
#114
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Canada herocoolzzz 
make the price tag $3000 or $3100 reduce the scoped accuracy reduce the fire rate
2019-11-11 17:49
spray pattern like galil ez fix
2019-11-11 19:03
#150
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Canada herocoolzzz 
+1
2019-11-12 02:53
I think teams should be buying ak's more without any update tbh, buying kreigs is risking it to fall into ct hands, where it's more powerful.
2019-11-11 17:51
#194
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
+1
2019-11-14 04:42
increase price and lower ROF
2019-11-11 19:02
Best balancing sugestion evah: Uninstall
2019-11-11 19:02
i would say that they need to add the option to buy scope for every single gun in the game
2019-11-11 20:19
nerf with scope on
2019-11-11 21:08
#140
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Croatia nAmeless69 
Up the price by 500$ , that would do it
2019-11-11 22:05
no, not in pro cs and no way in normal cs. I hate that gun because you cant retake sites as ct. people win long range fights against awps. I just hate it, but love playing it, because its overpowered af. also makes pro cs not enjoyable anymore. they have to nerf the gun itself, not too much but dont make it 100% accurate, best firerate, easier spray + a fucking 5.0x scope for 500$ more? no people would still buy it more than the ak make it 3700 or 3800 then they can keep that gun how it is but 3250$ would not be a fix for this
2019-11-11 22:19
#168
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Croatia nAmeless69 
Yeah i agree, it’s op for sure for its price. But if u up the price, players and teams would use it less because of economy management. Maybe a bit more than $500 idk, but i don’t think they should nerf it so people stop playing with it like they did with AUG. Remember the times where everybody was calling AUG and SG noob/shit guns. I was occasionally using them even before and people would be so pissed at me
2019-11-12 10:53
you can only get 3 shots when the enemy hits you in the ballsack area, same goes with ak.
2019-11-11 22:09
Valve is probably rebalancing every weapon in the game at this point for the next update, otherwise I don't see why they would take so long with the SG nerf.
2019-11-11 22:12
#145
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United States jay_320 
600 RPM. Unscoped accuracy debuff to behind the AK. Maybe even slow down movement speed further when zoomed. The Krieg meta makes it so that *EVERY* team has good T sided riflers. These types of players are usually a luxury. What it means for your competitive game is that extremely good M4 players get beat by mediocre Krieg players in duels. It's done nothing but shrink the skill gap which is the last thing CS ever needed.
2019-11-11 22:16
MAD? U just got owned by my KRIEGAH
2019-11-14 11:50
why not just bring back the aug?
2019-11-12 04:41
Give it cz-75 spray pattern with slow recovery when scoped in. Best be sure your first bullet accuracy is insane when scoped.
2019-11-12 04:51
u need 5 shots to kill someone in legs btw
2019-11-12 13:35
and olny 3 shots in the balls area. weird that you can kill someone faster that way
2019-11-12 16:17
just make galil $700 and fixed
2019-11-14 00:17
i would remove scope. Automatic and semiautomatic guns shouldn’t have a scope in cs. Only one shot guns
2019-11-14 00:17
#184
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Brazil D1sco 
Reduce armor penetration so it isn't a 3 shot kill with kevlar, decrease first shot accuracy and up the price to 2900$ make the m4s a one Headshot kill
2019-11-14 00:28
#186
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United States Famous_Idaho 
Nerf it into the ground
2019-11-14 04:10
to make the game good again competive mode need t obe whit only 1 usp p2000 glock deagle galil famas m4 ak awp and we have a good skill requering game
2019-11-14 04:18
#197
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
3200$ no Nerf for SG 3600$ for Pre-Nerf AUG Buff ROF slightly for M4A1-S Then we good. Sacrificing a Smoke+Flash for that Scope seems fair to me.
2019-11-14 04:57
buff ak and m4. that will nerf the krieg
2019-11-14 05:01
#207
EliGE | 
Europe xSKYY 
Increase prize 3200-3500
2019-11-14 11:52
make ak and m4 500$ no one will use sg then
2019-11-14 11:53
Ak in pistole round
2019-11-14 11:54
#210
f0rest | 
Bulgaria lopGOD 
Put 3rd zoom for AWP. AK-47 price 900. New nades - FART nade / Gangbang nade / RektGG nade. Use SG as a DECOY!
2019-11-14 11:56
Fun joke, but a gas grenade would actually be a great addition. It could work just like a smoke grenade but you take damage inside it.
2019-11-15 00:48
#212
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Sweden thesain7 
Price to 3500
2019-11-14 17:05
Increase price to 3000 and reduce firerate a little, and make a 0.1 sec delay when scoping and unscoping.
2019-11-15 00:47
buff sg553
2019-11-15 00:47
No!
2019-11-15 00:48
oh shqipe why not buff
2019-11-15 00:48
Yes! Increase firerate 2x, give it another zoom like AWP, remove inaccuracy when moving so it can work like an SMG, remove recoil completely and reduce the price to 600$ so you can buy it on pistol round! That would be great, wouldn't it?
2019-11-15 00:52
YEEEEEEEEEES
2019-11-15 00:53
And maybe make it oneshot on body too like AWP?
2019-11-15 00:54
oneshot on leg
2019-11-15 00:54
oneshot on toe
2019-11-15 00:55
oneshot on miss
2019-11-15 01:00
Just make it more expensive to unable buy 3 kriegs after losing pistol round 3000-3300$ would be nice
2019-11-15 00:51
#229
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Japan Jotaro 
Make it shoot alot slower increase price done
2019-11-15 01:41
#233
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Finland ToxicDUD 
delete
2019-11-15 09:15
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