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smooya | 
United Kingdom UKCS_BESTCS 
twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/11925.. They actually think it's fair to take $100bn of a man's earned wealth. A man who has given and continues to give so much already of his own free will. What is wrong with people?
2019-11-10 00:03
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#2
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
his money, he earned them, he should keep it. taxes must be fair to every1
2019-11-10 00:07
+1, there should be a tax for everyone that unless you are significantly below the average income everyone must pay at the same rate, like a 15%. People should also be able to vote for where their taxes go. For example, If the majority of people don't want their money to go to the military, why should it? A liberal and functional democracy utilizes referendums to ensure that everyone is happy, but it does not brusquely take from its citizens without a purpose they can agree to
2019-11-10 00:18
#21
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
disagree, i think the military needs tax money whether someone likes it or not. however, i think for example, there is a goverment funded tv channel in Finland, and also the amount of money going into immigration should be voted
2019-11-10 00:19
saying that the military "needs tax money" doesnt make sense. How can you argue that a democracy advocates for the indirect representation of its citizens without adhering to their needs? If they don't need a strong military, why have one ? Because of the steps that globalization has taken to ensure every country be protected and allied based on supranational organization, there is no need to even have a strong military. Removing it would not be a bad thing. If people do not wish to support the quasi-autonomous television channel in finland that is fine too. Idk what you mean by the amount of money going into immigration, but immigration is definitely a good thing for any country's economy whether nationalists want to believe that or not
2019-11-10 01:02
#73
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
because finland need strong defence, period, no doubt, period, tax money to military yes, tax money to africa no
2019-11-10 01:16
why does finland need a strong military? If people really think that won't citizens vote to put their money to it?
2019-11-10 01:17
#77
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United States PsychoLogical 
3 words: They Border Russia.
2019-11-10 01:18
if you think that is an actual concern in a modernized and globalized world you actually don't understand basic politics lmao, take a high school government class then try to make that argument again
2019-11-10 01:19
#83
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
oh yeah tell me about ukraine and georgia ?
2019-11-10 01:19
ukraine and georgia are entirely autonomous and sovereign countries?????? what are you arguing LOL the only region that isnt is crimea
2019-11-10 01:21
#89
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
"if you think that is an actual concern in a modernized and globalized world" to me it seems russia invaded both countries in a modern and global world
2019-11-10 01:21
+1
2019-11-10 01:34
The key difference here is that there's an obligation in the European Union where if a country is attacked, all other countries within the EU have to come to their aid, so Finland has a great deterrent in that regard (far greater than nuclear weapons, in my opinion). You really don't need to bump up military spending.
2019-11-11 12:15
like the eu would actually start war with russia.
2019-11-11 13:30
The EU wouldn't be starting anything, but we're not cowards, we're not afraid to fight, we've just realised its futility. I adamantly believe if an EU nation was attacked, all other EU nations would come in to protect them, which I think is the main reason Russia wouldn't invade an EU country. Do you think Russia would take a risk of fighting nigh on the entire European continent? I don't.
2019-11-11 16:11
The world is so unfair :(
2019-11-14 13:45
Russia annexed territory from a fully Sovereign country - Violating its Sovereignty, with minimal international repercussions. That is Why Finland needs a military.
2019-11-10 01:35
Was a product of the Ukranian revolution in 2014 and orange revolution in 2004 because people in Crimea actually wanted to leave Ukraine. Are you suggesting that we ignore what people want when an authoritarian regime oppresses them? How are you a centrist lmao you just sound like an indoctrinated commie
2019-11-10 01:37
You're telling me the Crimeans wanted to be annexed by a militaristic authoritarian power, only to be caught up in an international incident that would decimate the region's economy? I mean, Eastern European nationalism is a strange beast but I have no idea how that logic checks out. Even if the people want to be a part of Russia, The Russian government still forcefully annexed the region, violating a nation's sovereignty, can you not see how that would make surrounding countries nervous? Russia is an Expansionist country, and is inherently dangerous to those it borders.
2019-11-10 01:46
You're misunderstanding the point lol, there is a reason why no war ensued because of Russia's actions or any conflict really and that is because citizens in the crimea region generally did not want to be a part of Ukraine. You're argument is that Russia has an authoritarian regime but the reality is 1.) they are an illiberal democracy, 1993 boris yeltsin revolution ensures that the country isnt an authoritarian regime and 2.) ukraine is far more oppressive than russia is to citizens. Though the situation was not diplomatic, Russia would never do something so insane as to annex finland against the finnish people's wills. Ukraine is not supported by the EU like Finland, so there is a huge fallacy present by comparing the annexation of crimea to the theoretical annexation of all of finland
2019-11-10 01:51
I don't know if that's true, that the people living in Crimea wanted to join Russia. If you're basing it off the referendum (which was illegal in both the Crimean and the Ukrainian constitution), there is still some strange business in that regard. For example, a Russian journalist admitted that they were allowed to vote in the Crimean Referendum, which makes absolutely zero sense.
2019-11-11 12:13
#90
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United States PsychoLogical 
does it look like countries like Russia cares? No. They have an imperialist foreign policy, meaning they’re not afraid of making decisions for their own interests even if it would be extremely consequential. Same goes for USA and China’s. And keep in mind, they have the second strongest military in the world and have the most nukes in the world.
2019-11-10 01:24
Yes, russia does certainly care. You can make the argument that Russia is ethnocentric but that means nothing if they arent cooperating with a globalized economy. By launching embargos onto Russia's nationalized and isolationist country that doesnt actually have many resources other than fish (landscape is too cold to grow much, enzymes in the stroma of plants denature in frigid cold environment). By having every country in the world against russia besides whatever dude chooses to support them, there is enough of a threat for russia to not become violent for no reason. As the younger globalizing population of russia continues to expand with the nationalists dying out, you have to wonder how Russia would even have a population that supports invading finland, knowing that they would probably all die in the process for a government they barely even support anymore. Think about these situations logically before making deductions, most people dont support russia's illberal practices even in russia, that is why young people are being detained frequently for protesting
2019-11-10 01:29
#80
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
im so glad people wont be able to vote on it, glad that we have a solid defence to defend our small country against big aggressors
2019-11-10 01:18
#75
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United States PsychoLogical 
the only logical reason you guys even need a strong military is cause Finland borders Russia.
2019-11-10 01:17
#78
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
well duh?
2019-11-10 01:18
russia would never even invade finland knowing they would start a war with eu + nato + any other allied
2019-11-10 01:18
#82
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
russia could try to invade finland with zero consequenses JUST LIKE THEY DID BACK IN 1939 AND 1941, NOBODY helped us. thats why we need to stay on our own
2019-11-10 01:19
are you stupid? treaty of rome passed in 1957, eu membership in 1995 its not world war 2 anymore... delusional?
2019-11-10 01:20
#86
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
EU membership OMEGALUL like if they did anything to help us in case of a war
2019-11-10 01:20
they did during ww1 ww2 and have for many other conflicts, you definitely arent very well educated
2019-11-10 01:21
#91
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
Finland never received any help in their wars other than national socialist germany who actually took care of us (thanks hitler)
2019-11-10 01:22
k you're baiting, could tell from your comment about immigration. You really should take some classes on this stuff if you're serious though because its impossible to debate something with someone who knows nothing:)
2019-11-10 01:23
#97
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
name a war where finland received help then
2019-11-10 01:29
ww1 treaty of versallies ww2 paris peace treaty 1995 cold war ends, Finland capitalizes by joining the eu and is now a propserous country. The european union helped them by securing protection of their country against Russia's potential aggression help comes eventually, russia wouldnt be nearly as aggressive as it was during the cold war
2019-11-10 01:31
military help ty
2019-11-10 01:32
#99
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
immigration from 3rd world countries and middle east does not benefit a country IN ANY WAY. Not in a single way. yes, some might come here to actually work, but most of them for the free money from state. even those who come to work are actually bad for the ordinary people since they are willing to work with really low wages which causes the minimum wage to be even lower
2019-11-10 01:30
I can assure you it helps your "socialist" nordic countries more than you could ever understand. By occupying jobs that nobody else would take, incentivinzg the creation of businesses through cheap labor and reducing the prices of goods as a result of a lower PPP, finland and other "socialist" countries fueled by capitalism are held together by immigrants, regardless of what your racist dad tells you :)
2019-11-10 01:33
guess youre not from estonia xD
2019-11-10 01:34
what makes you think that LOL because im not a closet racist? Because I understand how the economy functions or how governments work together? Sorry that I have a brain dude, guess that makes me not estonian LOL
2019-11-10 01:35
not a supporter of humanitarian immigration = racist end of the debate leftist mens)
2019-11-10 01:35
i am economically right socially left because I understand how your country is fueled bro, take a seat in a government 101 class at helsinki university and learn about what you're missing, beacuse i assure you rn you are missing quite a bit of fundamental knowledge that might help you break out of your delusional fear that russia will invade lmao
2019-11-10 01:39
i never said russia is going to invade us btw
2019-11-10 01:58
you ssaid that russia would invade you if finland didnt invest as much tax money into their military. My argument proves that generalization wrong
2019-11-10 02:04
no i said its good to have military and tax money into military since russia exists
2019-11-10 02:08
And logically, you obviously mean that Russia existing may lead to an invasion, you don't funnel money into the military if a certain country simply 'exists'. You're just proving his point, I think.
2019-11-11 12:17
btw why immigrants come from all the way from middle east to finland through multiple if not even tens of safe countries? to work? nah. to get money from state
2019-11-10 01:37
They go to finland to get certain jobs? Are you stupid LOL the difference between sitting in macedonia vs finland is that macedonia hasn't globalized enough to properly support businesses because nikola gruevski advocated for socially isolationaist policy against the ideals of most businesses. Though Macedonia shows strong economic support of businesses without much restriction, that doesn't really matter if the country has a shitty currency and most people arent employed to begin with. Finland's government and regime are stable, most businesses are located here and there is access to better resources so that you aren't working for nothing like you would in macedonia or albania
2019-11-10 01:43
#150
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Australia PuncherCS 
just stop, the guys clearly very knowledgeable on the subject and you aint gonna win
2019-11-10 02:30
i mean the guy started comparing finland to macedonia, and never responded why immigrants from syria come to finland, they claim to run away from war, but yet they cross tens of safe countries through their way here. he talks a lot, very little actual facts and information in his text which appears as "knowledge" to you.
2019-11-10 02:50
He literally said why they do it, to get certain jobs, and bluntly, to have better lives. He is clearly very knowledgeable. And yes, he did mention Macedonia and compared it to Finland, because Macedonia would be a country that's on the way towards Finland if the migrants are coming in from Turkey, so if they had a chance between staying in Macedonia and earning 9/10 thousand denars (barely 162 euros, it is truly a pitiful amount), and going to Finland and earning 23,000 euros a year, they're quite obviously going to fucking take the latter choice. By the way, that's for the same job as a cleaner, except in my Macedonian example, that's for 'doing cleaning jobs and transporting wastes', so it's actually more than what you'd do in Finland. You are quite obviously a closeted racist/race supremacist, everything in this thread points towards it, and your whole touting about how Hitler was a 'good guy, and was trying to save Europe' bullshit literally just solidifies that.
2019-11-11 12:23
and to add, he literally says that immigration is good for europe from 3rd world countries. how is this even considered knowledgeable
2019-11-10 02:54
to add even more, he thinks that those who oppose immigration from 3rd world are racists
2019-11-10 02:55
#94
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Europe jvesper 
imagine being scared of russias invasion in 2020 :DDDDD world is in a different state now aint it?
2019-11-10 01:24
he is baiting dw, nobody is that delusional lisbon agreement in 2009 basically ensures that if russia wanted to "invade" finland they'd get fucked immediately
2019-11-10 01:25
#98
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
i am not scared, i just prefer my country to be ready and have a military force that is big enough to defend itself. clearly u cant read
2019-11-10 01:30
#102
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Europe jvesper 
ur retarded if you think that they will come with soldiers and tanks like in the old days just FYI
2019-11-10 01:32
nah, probably launch another separatist operation in 2030 when theres enough russian land owners in finland
2019-11-10 01:33
#119
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Europe jvesper 
:DDDDDDDDDDD for what reason
2019-11-10 01:37
i am not scared, i just prefer my country to be ready and have a military force that is big enough to defend itself. clearly u cant read
2019-11-10 02:55
#217
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Europe jvesper 
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD good brains 10/10
2019-11-10 17:19
You'd probably be a draft dodging little shit, too.
2019-11-11 12:25
#76
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Finland HATER_OF_ENCE 
immigration from 3rd world countries and middle east does not benefit a country IN ANY WAY. Not in a single way. yes, some might come here to actually work, but most of them for the free money from state. even those who come to work are actually bad for the ordinary people since they are willing to work with really low wages which causes the minimum wage to be even lower
2019-11-10 01:17
Legal immigration of educated workers is good, yes
2019-11-10 19:15
#477
xeta | 
Korea minixeta 
everyone needs a strong military. Some people just think they dont, but thats because their country is part of nato.
2019-11-14 15:18
If that happened, the majority of public services would experience extreme budget problems or collapse entirely. And for something like the military, having a secure country is a benefit every citizen enjoys. It wouldn't be fair for some people to not pay for it and still get defended.
2019-11-10 00:36
If public services are important then they will continue to be supported? I'm suggesting that citizens determine where their tax money goes, not that they are no longer taxed at all. A 15% flat tax on income ensures that there is 100% enough money provided for government, and if there isnt then the referendum comes into play, allowing for people to choose what is important to them where some areas like a large military might not be as useful for their taxes to be spent on. If certain state industries are not funded yet there is still an inherent need for them then private organizations can supply what people aren't willing to allow the government to supply. For example if nationalized schools are not providing a sufficient enough education for 50% of the population or more, privatization will increase the quality of education by ensuring there is an incentive for teachers to teach better (higher wages supported by revenue the school obtains from student's families)
2019-11-10 01:06
How on earth is a flat 15% tax going to provide enough money Just think about that for a moment, consider the current tax rates and the fact that most countries still have a budget deficit. CBA to answer the rest of that. It's nonsense.
2019-11-10 01:36
You know there are united states states that use flat tax right? They are perfectly fine sustaining themselves, yet apparently it doesnt work? Not really sure what you're trying to argue when there are notable examples of both countries and states that use flat tax to success; its especially possible in a globalizing economy that supports the creation of businesses and privatization to regulate and construct what government would be doing based on whatever economic "deficit" you think exists
2019-11-10 01:46
State tax uses flat rates. Federal tax doesn't. And states also get funding from the federal government. And the United States still has the most debt in the world. And Google "budget deficit" and tell me it's not real lmao.
2019-11-10 01:57
a budget deficit does not emerge for most countries. If you want an example of an actual budget debt deficit ik there was one in maldives following decolonization because they spent too much money on infrastructure. The difference between a rare situation like that vs. globalized countries is that privationzation and creation of businesses was extremely low in the Maldives before businesses began to utilize the service sector of the country to create hotels. Additionally you will note that the Chiense belt and road initiative ensured that the Maldives continue to be funded in exchange for the creation of chinese hotels and the male' friendship bridge between maldives islands. So to summarize, the Maldives was in a true budget deficit because no businesses were supporting the country (as it was isolating from economic globalization until the presidency of nasir), had just decolonized so its economy was unstable, and had no foreign support. There is a huge difference between countries that actually experience budget deficits and those that you think do. The United States does not have an actual budget deficit because it can still afford pretty much everything it needs, a 15% flat tax will not change that because a lower tax will incentivize more businesses + more foreign migration to ensure that the country's economy continue to expland and globalize. It is important that a country like the United Kingdom not leave the EU otherwise a huge tax is essential for your country to survive. That is why your currency lowered a fuck ton when Brexit was announced
2019-11-10 02:05
Britain and America have a budget deficit. I have no clue what you're talking about.
2019-11-10 02:07
literally just told you what im talking about learn to read maybe, you're a bit too slow to understand my comparison?
2019-11-10 02:11
I read it. It makes no sense, and not due to my inability to understand, but yours to explain. If you can't see that, I see no point in continuing this conversation. I suggest you learn definitions before saying things in the future. /closed
2019-11-10 02:23
dw this guy is ideologically biased
2019-11-10 02:56
And you're fucking not? lmfao
2019-11-11 12:26
It’s a failure on my part because you aren’t educated in comparative governments? What university are you attending? Because my professors and peers understand me perfectly :)
2019-11-10 02:57
No, you cannot borrow your way to prosperity. Which is what all of that is trying to rationalize in a nutshell. It will work until it doesn't and at that point everything will move very quickly. The problem is extremely simple. The private sector contracts in recessions. The public sector grows constantly. In the US-the public sector at all levels spent $7.5+trllion in 2018-GDP $20.5trillion. At no time in the history of the USA regardless of tax scheme have they collected over 25percent of the GDP in taxes. The end here is write downs and/or defaults on the debt. After paying insane interest on the debt along the way. We're already paying endless billions a year now at all levels-that sucks growth out faster and faster and faster while reducing current services for citizens. If not for the Trump economy, some states which are already borrowing at 6percent and up or junk bonds prices would have already had significant problems.
2019-11-10 03:29
#152
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Australia PuncherCS 
privatization is a terrible idea, it lets companies with far too much cash get a monopoly on the services they provide, just like is done in Western Australia, one power company has the monopoly on providing the power and its expensive as hell
2019-11-10 02:35
Issues with privatization derive from government restriction. In a country like Cyprus with no restriction on businesses their gdp increased tremendously since 2008’s sovereign debt crisis. In Greece the government still restricts business so that the ease of business is not high, thereby causing for prices to be high with the creation of monopolies and oligarchies
2019-11-10 02:59
#343
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Brazil JazZ98 
I can’t take this anymore /closed
2019-11-13 16:48
#286
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
I probably lean a lot to the right to most people but come one, even i think ridiculously rich people should contribute a bit more to society than some hobo. As long as our money doesn't go to some stupid projects like gender studies or free entrance to museums or shit like that, just enough. Necessary stuff like health care, military etc.
2019-11-11 16:34
socialists dont seem to understand that their systems will never work without what capitalism provides them. Capitalism is literally the perfect system; nobody who works hard is starving or homeless, only the leeches who didnt try hard at school or at their job believe its fair to take from those who did work hard because they are rightfully living better lives. Capitalism has worked and always will work because it prioritizes those who benefit society, not the inbred monkies too lazy to do anything more than complain That is why mao's great leap forward failed, that is why the industrialization of the soviet union failed, and that is why communism and socialism will always fail -- there exists no purpose for people to do anything if there is no incentive for doing it. The only ways to enforce communism is through an authoritarian regime -- one which exploits people using clientelism and coercion. Marxism will never reach full fruition because without a government to control people, there exists no obligation for people to do anything. Lenin-marxism and mao-marxism are inherently flawed because they have to abuse their population to function properly and defy the basic teachings of marx.
2019-11-10 00:17
#105
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United States Freakmode 
+1
2019-11-10 01:33
Well you need controls on capitalism, and human centred capitalism. You can't just give boundless freedom to companies, nor allow them to do as they please with the workers. Have controlled capitalism, make sure people who inherit poverty have an equal chance to get out of it (because they don't and that isn't capitalist). People are humans, so we need to make sure no one is sleeping on the street, instead of just blaming them for their mistakes. That's why i believe in Universal Basic Income over benefits. Since that gives people the ability to drag themselves up, pull themselves out of a ditch, rather then benefits, which allow them to survive in the ditch.
2019-11-10 18:27
Have you not heard of the stories of people who are on a financial aid programme, and working at the same time, but who are literally disincentivised to progress in their careers because they'd make less money than if they stayed at their current level with benefits? There is clearly a problem here, and even if you make the case that the people should stick through harder conditions in order to get better conditions later on, there's 1) the problem that it may take a long time before they're back to the financial level they were at before their progression and 2) this goes against your entire principle of "you work hard, you live better" in the first place.
2019-11-11 16:19
#307
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North America 007DBR9 
LMFAO capitalism is the perfect system XDDDDDDDDDDD nt you probably don't even know how tax works
2019-11-13 13:33
yeah just pretend the working poor don't exist
2019-11-13 13:59
#4
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
tbh he should lose like 30 billion just for creating the xbox
2019-11-10 00:09
#51
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United States HLTV_Jew 
+1
2019-11-10 00:43
Nice try PlayStation fag
2019-11-10 00:45
#57
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
i have a switch. and yes im enjoying my top of the line exclusives
2019-11-10 00:46
Nerd
2019-11-10 00:49
exclusives are bad for the industry
2019-11-10 01:36
#180
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
no they aren't lol. its the exact opposite. make good exclusives -> get money -> make good exclusives -> get money -> develop augmented reality csgo
2019-11-10 10:05
Making exclusives to a platform locks people away Its good for the company not the industry
2019-11-10 18:20
Did your wifes bf buy you that switch?
2019-11-10 02:56
But gain 30 billion for creating Windows
2019-11-11 12:27
#263
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
-30 billion for windows 10 and windows phone
2019-11-11 12:41
Imagine all the toucans you could buy for that money :O
2019-11-10 00:09
Imagine all the toucans you could kill with that money :0
2019-11-10 00:11
NOT YOU AGAIN
2019-11-10 00:12
It's my thread lmao wtf
2019-11-10 00:12
I didnt realize that until now.. Plz dont hurt any toucans, they are so beautiful
2019-11-10 00:13
I'm gonna fucking curb stomp so many toucans omg I'm erect thinking about it
2019-11-10 00:14
#16
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
wtf man
2019-11-10 00:14
Yeah.. He is really making me sad(((
2019-11-10 00:17
#20
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
toucans are so cool. they've got the long ass beaks. imo parrots are better, but they make you sick :(
2019-11-10 00:18
Yeah, their beaks are cool AF. I like parrots too, but Toucans are my favorite!
2019-11-10 00:19
#25
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
cool
2019-11-10 00:20
I wish I could snap those beaks
2019-11-10 00:22
#32
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
bro
2019-11-10 00:22
Bro I fucking hate those rats so much
2019-11-10 00:23
Stop saying stuff like that! Its not even funny (((
2019-11-10 00:15
It's not about mere fun. It's about the sheer euphoria I will experience watching those little fuckers bleed out.
2019-11-10 00:20
2019-11-10 00:21
She's next
2019-11-11 15:42
PSYCHO WTF
2019-11-11 12:45
when it's someone like Jeff Bezos I don't care because that guy is sleazy, but Bill Gates has done a lot of good
2019-11-10 00:10
bill stole alot of other peoples ideas like the mouse thats why he started with giving away money to people who starve, dispite he could easily stop all world hunger, but chooses not to.
2019-11-10 00:20
I'm no fan of Bill. But the reality is avg yield per acre has as much as tripled largely thx to the agri tech industry-something that did not and/or could not even exist before MSFT. A book fr abt 45yrs ago called The Population Bomb warned of mass starvation aka peak food. Instead the largest killer of man in history- famine is mostly gone and some of the wealthy countries are fighting obesity epidemics. Bill and MSFT deserve some small part of credit.
2019-11-10 00:48
#452
Xyp9x | 
Denmark n0ia 
no he couldn't... retard..
2019-11-14 14:40
its estimated that it would cost 36billion to end world hunger, he is worth 100 billion, why couldnt he?
2019-11-14 14:59
#506
Xyp9x | 
Denmark n0ia 
I'd very much like a citation for that.. and then I will explain to you why it's bullshit..
2019-11-16 03:27
He is just as sleazy. You don't know how ruthless he is. Just like Bezos.
2019-11-10 00:21
I'm not trying to say he isn't sleazy, anyone who is that successful is most likely going to have done shitty things. I'm saying that he has done a lot of good with his money, giving a shit ton to charity. It's all for PR, I know, but so what? That's still money going to good charities
2019-11-10 12:09
that's what you think axaxaxaxaxaxa it all funnels back to bill xaxaxaxaxa
2019-11-11 12:46
ok
2019-11-11 12:48
#149
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
yeah he did, he gives a lot back to society but tell me what does he need 100 billion dollars for?
2019-11-10 02:30
he doesn't, but taking 95% of someone's wealth is fucked, no matter how much money they have
2019-11-10 12:10
Of course it's fucked, taxing 'the rich' so fucking hard and doing nothing to the system is already a compromise. Ahh it's awkward to say dat shit tbh. My country doesn't even collect inheritance tax, could be a problem.
2019-11-13 17:48
if he knew beforehand that he had to give 100b of his ACOMPLISHMENTS he wouldn't had acomplished 100b just the 7b he will keep. socialists logic's end is stagnation. just invent something better already there is no right way to do stuff.
2019-11-10 00:11
#308
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North America 007DBR9 
this dude doesn't know how tax works xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-11-13 13:35
its easy for us to say that against rich people, but imagine yourself in his position. Hypocrites...
2019-11-10 00:14
+1 perfect. the impulse of guy that says that(ken), is anger. he is angry at rich ppl. but why? let ppl be happy. the hero's way is to sacrifice himself to save others. the villan's way is to make everyone suffer as much as he suffers. be a hero. like bill there, he's the reason we all can comunicate in HLTV
2019-11-10 00:22
award for dumbest comment today goes to rock_solid people are not happy because of social inequality. "let people be happy" yeah let the inequality increase untill its just 0.01% of them, in castles with private armies and every ressoruce they need, versus us outside, strugging to survive from day to day.
2019-11-10 00:39
#92
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United States Insertidd1 
The "wealth inequality is growing" rhetoric is very misleading. While it is true that there is a larger difference between the rich and the poor than 50 years ago, the way it is presented is downright dishonest. In the time that the rich have gotten twice as rich, the poor people have gotten 1/3 richer, accounting for inflation. This proves that the rich have helped to improve the lives of the poor people by creating a product or service that they want as well as providing them with millions more jobs due to their massive companies. But socialists will only say "wealth inequality is getting greater" because that paints a very pessimistic picture of the world, which is what they want. They secretely want the world to become a worse place so that they can say "I told you so" or some bullshit like that. But the fact is, the world is getting better, it has been since cities started to exist, and it will keep getting better. You can't stop the world becoming a better place. It's human nature to improve and make everyone's lives easier. Stop having a pessimistic view of the world because it's not like that. Mature and learn to accept that you are wrong. But you never actually admit that you are wrong because you can't set your ego aside and change your opinion.
2019-11-10 01:23
Gotten 1/3 richer? What kind of arbitrary number is that you pulled out of your ass? Living standards have improved but it's not the same as "people becoming richer". Cost of living has steadily increased, rents have increased, prices for property have increased, but you know what hasn't? Salaries. cnbc.com/2019/01/23/most-americans-dont-.. 60% of americans have less than 1000$ to their name. Wow, poor people sure have gotten richer. Class mobility is a thing of the past, the richest get tax cuts, corporations are getting treated as people by the government and bought out if they fail. Poor people are left behind. If you don't reach enough people with a gofundme campagin because you are ugly or unimaginative or simply unlucky, you will die of whatever deadly disease you contracted because you can't pay for your fucking healthcare. Your president is the definition of a wallstreet scumbag who lies so much people stopped caring. It has nothing to do with socialism and you have no fucking clue about this "human nature" you talk of. If you are not trolling I think you may be retarded.
2019-11-10 03:44
#184
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
reread the comment stupid lefty
2019-11-10 12:29
learn to read and suck my dick you dumbass
2019-11-10 12:30
#193
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
i read you comment i commented to reread his comment but you started insulting me for nothing btw expected from leftist EU flag
2019-11-10 13:06
not left because you dont like what I'm saying you fucking dumbass. everything is about left and right for you, expected from dumb brainwashed rightwinger 3rdy.
2019-11-10 13:07
#195
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
first i am not right winger and brainwashed i am centralist who realist and you getting upset over 2 comments and your name checks out
2019-11-10 13:09
first I dont care about your political orientation, you call me a "stupid lefty" because you got triggered by me spitting facts. sorry soyboy, now shush.
2019-11-10 13:19
#205
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
not soyboy and you are still stupid because you cant read his comment and you comment different thing
2019-11-10 13:56
no i dont. you are a stupid soyboy that just talks shit on hltv. learn to read and stfu.
2019-11-10 14:05
#212
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
xaxaxaxaxa mad go cry more pls i need to laugh more
2019-11-10 14:46
if you want to laugh more just look in the mirror :)
2019-11-10 14:59
#215
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
i look at the mirror and saw leftist who was crying over comments
2019-11-10 15:03
all I see is some bulgarian kid making dumb comments that waste everyones time, learn to read bruv, please read both his post and my reply carefully and try to understand what I am saying and you will know I am right
2019-11-10 16:41
#219
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United States Insertidd1 
"Human nature" is wanting to have more things. It provides the incentives to work hard and make something of yourself. If you want to call it greed, so be it. The want for money drives innovation and progress, not government aid programs to give money to undeserving people, who will then go out and spend it on balenciagas instead of using it to clean up their apartment. Don't believe me, well guess what? Some of my friends are EMTs and they frequently have to respond to calls where the living conditions are horrible for everyone including the kids, while the parents are wearing 200 dollar shoes and the mom wearing 300 dollar high heels. And this isn't a one off experience. It happens way more than you would think. Government aid won't lift people out of poverty, it will just give them more money to waste on worthless shit. It happens every time. One of the main reasons people are in poverty is because they can't manage money and squander it on unnecessary stuff. This has been proven time and time again, you can't even refute it.
2019-11-10 17:46
this is called moving the goalpost.
2019-11-10 17:57
and as for the other arbitrary numbers of your retarded rhetoric, "rich got 2x richer", where the fuck do you come up with this dumb shit?? the financial market has in the past half century gone from somewhat on the same level to the real goods market to exponentially outgrowing it, and do you know who is participating in the financnial market? have you even looked at any numbers? NOONE got richer except the rich, and the super rich got exponentionally richer, so much so that no poor could EVER compete. the middle class has all but vanished and the entry level for the upper class - the new middle class - keeps increasing all while class mobility completely vanished. you are so dumb, you have no idea and you come from a country where the issues of inequality are so glaring. please shut the fuck up and never talk about this topic ever again.
2019-11-10 12:45
#218
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United States Insertidd1 
"According to the most recent estimates, in 2015, 10 percent of the world’s population lived on less than US$1.90 a day, compared to 11 percent in 2013. That’s down from nearly 36 percent in 1990." worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview Class mobility has vanished, you say. I'll have you know that my grandparents both grew up poor and worked their way up into the middle class. My grandma became a banker and my grandpa an electrician. My dad married my mom and then had three kids in his mid 30s, and was pretty poor when I was a young child. He worked his way up through the ranks and now holds a six-figure job because he went to college and educated himself. He worked his ass off for 20 years after his kids were born to make a better life for them and guess what? he moved into the upper middle class because he put in the effort. That's how capitalism works, it rewards the hardworking with nice things because they earned it. I'm guessing you're a lazy teenager that has done nothing with thier life and doesn't want to work hard because they want to leech off of people that have made thier fortune by creating a service that has improved the lives of billions of people across the globe.
2019-11-10 17:38
People who think like this are literally retarded, I can't believe that so much millennials and gen z are brainwashed into thinking that socialism is good.
2019-11-10 00:15
the sad thing is they have zero self awareness to question all the bullshit their professors are poisoning their minds with. the human ego is a strange thing.
2019-11-10 00:25
#24
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Russia NikSmoK 
Imagine using people to get wealthy and after that cry like a pussy that someone trying to take what you didn't earn.
2019-11-10 00:20
#220
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United States Insertidd1 
Except they did earn the money, by providing a service to billions of people everywhere. Bill Gates most likely made the computer you are using to read this right now. And you bought the computer which included the software because it is a necessity to have it. The software that he created has made managing business easy, you can watch any type of content you want. The amount of stuff that he has done to improve the lives of most people is inconceivable if you actually fucking think about it.
2019-11-10 17:51
#232
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Russia NikSmoK 
My computer have CPU that build on USSR technology that has been stolen by some jew after USSR falls. Same with software - he just stole his friend idea and his mother helped him to sell it to US goverment. He done nothing besides hiring people to do his job while he earn money.
2019-11-10 20:17
#255
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Serbia Provizija 
why you argue with americans, they are so ignorant its just pointless to replay to thair comments
2019-11-11 12:20
oh so bill gates is working in chinese sweatshops assembling the parts of my motherboard?
2019-11-13 14:00
Foxconn and etc.
2019-11-13 16:55
#26
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United States PsychoLogical 
classic anti-billionaire mentality. People like them are hypocrites and plus their fantasies will never come true anyway. Majority of America are moderates aka the silent majority. The socialists are the loud minority.
2019-11-10 00:20
yeah. if bernie wins in US i will come at you guys. do not let that grow. berni just congratulated Lula in twitter. Lula, a corrupt politician with comunist ideals. open your eyes america.
2019-11-10 00:27
#43
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United States PsychoLogical 
Bernie’s a fool anyway. All of his ideas look great if it werent for the fact that they’re never going to get passed due to the details of them which fyi are retarded and illogical. Bernie wont get nominated anyway. Also the majority of Americans either dont care or destest politics.
2019-11-10 00:41
you elected a populist anti environment extremist and corrupt scumbag as president, shut the fuck up or we will come at you.
2019-11-10 04:22
#398
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Norway TaraZ 
+1!! Enough said.
2019-11-14 12:04
seriously you should be the last one to talk you maggot with your shitstain of a president, un fucking believable.
2019-11-10 06:19
#309
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North America 007DBR9 
Trump's retarded, he fucked the midwestern farmers and the rustbelt industry is getting worse
2019-11-13 13:43
#34
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Why not go down the economic route on why socialism isnt a good alternative? This is dumb as fuck and it shows how politically illiterate you are
2019-11-10 00:24
Have fun with it!
2019-11-10 00:51
#123
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
..what
2019-11-10 01:40
Have fun with socialism men)
2019-11-10 01:48
#135
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
...can you read?
2019-11-10 02:01
Selective reading, very common these days.
2019-11-10 02:14
#167
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
"Why not go down the economic route on why socialism isnt a good alternative?" And I'm a socialist?
2019-11-10 03:18
#186
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
he said have fun with it not that ur socialist
2019-11-10 12:31
ok boomer
2019-11-10 00:26
ok millennial
2019-11-10 00:38
#310
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North America 007DBR9 
he's probably not a millennial, but I doubt you know the generation change
2019-11-13 13:44
I doubt you know I'm joking
2019-11-13 14:57
#348
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North America 007DBR9 
It's obviously a joke, but zoomer is factually correct and a far better insult
2019-11-13 18:05
#38
f0rest | 
Czech Republic rusteDD 
hahaha socialist always losers, always envious, always living in their mommas basement till 40s then moving to pods, always completely retarded, always having no education and dont even know what net worth means xdd
2019-11-10 00:32
they think he has 100b sitting in his bank lmao
2019-11-11 12:21
#46
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Yikes
2019-11-10 00:41
lol
2019-11-10 06:20
pretty good
2019-11-14 15:00
I noticed socialists mostly post M-F during working hours.Obv when it is on someone else's dime. Some insane percent of US WP obv socialist edits are made M-F during US working hours.
2019-11-10 00:41
#113
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United States Freakmode 
indeed
2019-11-10 01:35
have you heard of time zones? :^)
2019-11-10 20:19
#312
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North America 007DBR9 
He's an American, of course he hasn't lul
2019-11-13 13:47
#72
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Sweden flippig 
poor bill gates
2019-11-10 01:07
#100
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
billionaires shouldnt exist
2019-11-10 01:31
Because
2019-11-10 01:43
#144
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
because no one needs 1 billion dollars
2019-11-10 02:19
By your own logic, no one "needs" $900m.
2019-11-10 02:24
#148
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
whats your point?
2019-11-10 02:26
Then surely people with $900mn shouldn't exist
2019-11-10 02:35
#154
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
yeah, whatever. its not about a number, its about people that have way more money than they would ever need to live (without ever worrying about having money to do/get anything they wanted) my point is he could pay way more taxes and that wouldnt change a single thing in his life
2019-11-10 02:42
So could a lot of people. But it's his money. He's probably given more through charity than anyone else in the world, probably more than a large amount of the world combined, voluntarily. And the creation of Microsoft and Windows also probably shaped the world we see today, for the better. But you still want more, and not only that, you want to take it from him. It's his fucking right to keep what belongs to him. There will always be people more successful than you and I, stop trying to punish them for that fact.
2019-11-10 02:51
#168
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
it is his right to keep all the money to him it shouldnt be simple as that
2019-11-10 03:19
it is his right to keep all the money to him as it should be simple as that Stop behaving like a complete idiot. Let's take Bill Gates. Say he has $107bn in his bank account. Do you honestly think it's fair that $106.99bn should be stolen from him just because he's more successful than you or me? If the answer is yes, you're not worth talking to.
2019-11-10 03:22
#224
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
i dont give a shit that hes more successful than you or me, thats not the problem, hell i even kinda respect bill gates (as much as it is possible to respect a billionaire), as i said in another post, he does give back to society but the problem is that he could lose 100 billion with taxes and it wouldnt change a single thing in his daily life, while improving the life of a shitload of people (considering a good government here) if you dont think that this is fucked up you're not worth talking to
2019-11-10 17:57
The US national debt increases by $45k every second. Their total debt is $26 trillion. I think it's gone up by over a trillion over the past year. If you honestly think that $100bn will make a fucking dent in that then you are delusional. That will all be spent in a heartbeat and then they'll just go back to borrowing more from other countries. Do the math. If you want to say that other billionaires will give as much too, first, there aren't many people as rich as Gates. Second, let's say that the US government rakes in a fortune from taxing all the billionaires. That money will still be gone in a few years, and the ex-billionaires will have no money left to give. It's a one off payment that will be used very quickly. ALL THE BILLIONAIRES IN THE WORLD only have $9.1 trillion combined, with the current rate of spending that money will only last maybe just over a decade if it all went to the US, and won't do anything to actually reduce government debt. If the wealth of only US billionaires was taken, it would be enough money to fund the government for 9 months. That's nothing. Billionaires are NOT the problem, taking all their money will not change ANYTHING. His money will put to much better use if he decides where it goes. He's paid $10bn in tax already. He's donated $30bn to his own foundation and raised $20bn from others. He convinces other billionaires to give away more of their money. Just leave him alone. Read what I just wrote and just accept defeat, you're embarrassing yourself. I'm done here. /closed.
2019-11-10 18:51
#228
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
man i give up you're so incredibly dumb i dont have the words, honestly i tried
2019-11-10 19:01
"muh wealth distribution"
2019-11-10 19:07
I just deconstructed your entire argument. That's pretty much the response I expected. Next time, think before you speak.
2019-11-10 20:26
#238
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
nope, you didnt understand at all because you are dumb as a rock but i wont waste more time, its like talking to a wall
2019-11-11 00:19
You presented nothing factual, your arguments were purely emotive and I showed that in the real world they wouldn't do anything. Sorry if that's a hard pill to swallow, if you're struggling read #227 again.
2019-11-11 00:21
#352
ppk | 
Brazil 4vengerr 
He's leftist, I pretty sure he dont have a brain
2019-11-13 20:06
holy shit you're pathetic
2019-11-11 10:50
You look clueless buddy
2019-11-14 09:50
#313
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North America 007DBR9 
Exactly why the dumbass US government needs to stop spending so much on a military that is just used to set the middle east on fire
2019-11-13 13:51
US doesnt really borrow from other countries. they are borrowing money against the guarantee that you can spend US dollars anywhere in the world, and that the american economy will continue to grow. by now its getting pretty close to the point where the interest on the loans will start getting bigger than the growth of the economy. at which point they will cause another global financial crisis so they can get out of the hole a little bit and drag everyone else down. like they did in 2008
2019-11-14 09:48
the answer is yes because 0.01 billion is still 10 million and thats still more than anyone could need to live for a hundred years. also its not stealing if its rightfully the property of the people if anything its bill gates who stole it by profiting too much from broken tax systems
2019-11-14 12:46
It's not about how much he has left though. It's about how much you are taking. And how is his money rightfully the property of the people lmao
2019-11-14 16:38
lmfao the comment of the day
2019-11-10 13:20
#108
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South America d0cco_loco 
socialist=autist
2019-11-10 01:33
#120
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China tralia 
tho there is one example show socialist coiuld success)))
2019-11-10 01:38
What
2019-11-10 01:42
#132
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Reunion AlexTenebrae 
Socialist bitches never tried to use their brain, otherwise they would already got that idea that you will not be in need to raise taxes higher and higher if you will just cut off worthless spendings, like LGBT policies, refugee payments, etc
2019-11-10 01:54
#145
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
sure, lets take away rights from those that NEED them instead of taking money from those that dont need it
2019-11-10 02:20
#155
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France OtelloO 
Tell how much money we're spending in "LGBT policies" lmaooo
2019-11-10 02:46
#183
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
" LGBT policies" Yeah you sure have a lot of those. What a stupid argument.
2019-11-10 12:19
Using words you don't understand to defend a guy who pays less taxes than a guy at Walmart by percentage. Lets call it socialist and keep sucking the oligarchs dicks. The world is fucked
2019-11-10 12:51
#315
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North America 007DBR9 
+1
2019-11-13 13:52
#314
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North America 007DBR9 
Worthless spending is military
2019-11-13 13:51
#342
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Reunion AlexTenebrae 
LULW say this to countries who are bordering braindead empires, Japan, South Korea, Poland, etc
2019-11-13 16:29
-1, unless all countries agreed to disarm then it is always worth it, and even then you need some armed people to keep radicals in check who dont give a shit.
2019-11-14 14:02
you realize, that those refugees will cost even more money, if you dont pay for a camp to put them in? then they will just put tents in some park and you have to send police to clear it out and arrest all of them and put them in prison for months awaiting extradition that their home countries will probably refuse? that costs more money than a couple tents or cheap housing.
2019-11-14 09:45
#503
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Reunion AlexTenebrae 
Mens))) the only thing that I've counted is a price of a bullet. And then just burn them. Why would I care about THEM? LUL
2019-11-14 21:29
#138
i am | 
Brazil |LUCAS1| 
Despacito
2019-11-10 02:04
I don't know anything about this news but doesn't like a 'socialist' idea at all actually.
2019-11-10 02:13
#165
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Argentina sebaxinho 
21st century socialism bro... it's different from 20th's... Nowadays it's just a toxic, covetous ideology, that destroys the very same people they claim to protect.
2019-11-10 02:58
#316
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North America 007DBR9 
All governments are just as bad, pretty much everything is just an oligarchy at this point, and we're gonna be dead by the 2100s at this rate
2019-11-13 13:53
#351
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Argentina sebaxinho 
Well I agree. The state is bad. And I would say it's not an oligarchy but a plutocracy. Campaigning and propaganda are millionaire affairs. Those with more money have higher chances.
2019-11-13 19:37
#151
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
man i wanna poke my eyes out after reading most of these comments
2019-11-10 02:33
#172
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Brazil mstrYODA1337 
They are too hungry to think
2019-11-10 03:45
Yet trad con cucks thinks it's okay for Jeff bezos' ex wife to steal half of his net worth
2019-11-10 04:04
Yeah, I think that's wrong too.
2019-11-10 04:07
#178
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Ukraine sodaH_ 
(((Klippenstein)))
2019-11-10 06:24
Oh no. How will someone ever survive with $1,000,000,000!? Meanwhile you only need $2,000,000 to live comfortably for the rest of your life...
2019-11-10 07:11
#188
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
he made those racks tho
2019-11-10 12:47
yeah just take away the money from people who have worked for it and give it to human waste aka (most) welfare recipients
2019-11-10 13:27
Just ignore xTheDeadBrainCell bro, he's actually mentally ill, not worth wasting your time on this retard
2019-11-10 13:29
Go ahead and find me one reason. Literally just one. That someone should ever need that much money? Just saying they earned it is a bullshit excuse and you know it. It's in our nature to explore shit But emotions get exploited There should be no poor, or rich We should all just play our part To help the world we’re in So we’re free from selfishness Where before we save ourselves, we’re saving someone else's skin
2019-11-11 06:40
> Just saying they earned it is a bullshit excuse and you know it. No, I don't know it, because it's not a bullshit excuse, if you work hard to invent something that other people find useful and you make a ton of money in the process, then you deserve that money. Look at Bezos, he created Amazon that millions find very useful and use it every day, people LITERALLY give him the money by using his services. If you hate the rich people so much then stop fucking buying shit from them and then tell me how enjoyable your life is without all the great stuff they invented lol Taxing the rich people to death will take away the incentive to invent new and useful stuff, it's also unfair to tax someone more just because he was smarter and worked harder, so please fuck off with your communist bullshit
2019-11-11 07:02
That right there is the problem with you lot. You seem to think we hate successful people and want to punish them for it. No. It's very simple. Growth is not infinite. Over the last 40 years in the US the top 1% have had a $21T increase in their shared wealth. Whilst the bottom 50% has seen a $900b decline. It's ridiculous that some of you don't understand that the things Bernie wants to give you are things you *used to have*. That you don't understand that the reasons your infrastructure is falling apart, or your housing or education is so expensive, is because of the shift of wealth away from the people to the elite. The shift of those things being taken from the public and given to private entities. Saying billionares shouldn't exist isn't "extreme commie propaganda". It's common sense. Or are you seriously gonna cry because the guy that has $999,999,999 can't make 1 more dollar?
2019-11-11 10:39
I'm not going to cry because the guy can't make 1 more dollar, but I want things to be fair, people should pay equal taxes and so on. As I said before, if you hand your mone to jeff bezos by using amazon, then yes - he does fucking deserve to be a billionaire and commies should not take it away from him, if you don't want people like him to be billionaires then don't use their fucking services.
2019-11-11 11:11
Fair would be the minimum wage rising with inflation. Unfair is not doing that and it being lower than it was in the 70's. Fair would be the expansion of Medicare to all citizens. Unfair is a profit-motive on healthcare Fair would be saying "the more you earn the more you contribute to the betterment of the country." Unfair is saying "Earn as much as you like, allow those with low self-control to be maniupulated by your marketing schemes, hoard your mountains of wealth outside the country, go multi-national, thousands of stores in every nation, all that income. All those bonuses for CEOs and board members. Yum yum." It's easy to tell people don't do it. It's another for it to actually happen. Right now, go find some Manhattan heiress and tell her not to shop at Gucci ever again. Doubt very much it would work first time. There's either two reasons you'd think about this the way you do. A) You don't care what happens to humanity after you're gone.. B) You have dreams of one day making it big yourself.. Sorry to say mate, but literally every right we have has been from the people standing up and saying no more. I don't know how young you are or how much you've read about revolutions. But we're literally just asking for what we used to have, and then assurances it would never be taken. So yeah, we are going to say that no-one should be able to possess such mass amounts of wealth, because we've been here before, and it's not happening again.
2019-11-11 12:42
You have a fucked up definition of "fair" if you really believe that rich people should contribute more to the "betterment of the country", fair would be to let them do whatever the fuck they want with their money, ever heard of FREEDOM? You fail to understand that people don't deserve ANYTHING, you don't deserve "free" health care, "free" education, "FREE" money (welfare), you don't fucking deserve ANYTHING and FYI, I'm 25 years old, raised in a poor family (my dad is a truck driver, mom is a minimum wage cashier), I've never had it good, never felt what it's like to have financial freedom, but I work my ass off and I'm slowly getting there, plus I have common sense which is something you lack.
2019-11-11 13:01
You have the freedom to do whatever you like with your money. You earned it. It's yours. You do not have the freedom to run an inherently exploitative business model. Again man, you're so close yet so far. No, I don't think I'm "deserving" of anything. What I do think, it's actual fact. That we as a society made the decision to not have private police. That we as a society made the decision to not have private firefighters. That we as a society made the decision to have the 5-day work week, the 8 hour work day, the minimum wage, laws against child labour. That we as a society made the decision to expand education to everyone. Not just those that can afford it. Your freedom is the freedom to exploit. My freedom is the freedom from burden. And that is why right-wing economics will always fail. It's funny you say I lack common sense when you're the one that can't put 2+2 together. Bernie is picking up where MLK left off. Corporatism and oligarchy in the US is finished.
2019-11-11 18:39
Simple thought experiment for you. I work with a Venezualan migrant. She owned her own pharmaceuticals store back home. Her boyfriend developed heart issues and had to stop working. Here she has 3 jobs and works from 5am to 8pm. Now, what's "fair"? A) Telling her to deal with it? B) alleviating some of her financial burdens so that she can be more productive? What you perceive to be freedom, I see as slavery....
2019-11-11 18:55
Well not sure how it works in the UK, but if she were in the US you could start by telling her to get a fucking health insurance Now, about your previous comment where you said "Corporatism and oligarchy in the US is finished." and Bernie and all that stuff, well, sorry to break it to you but Trump is winning in 2020, the vast majority of people in the US prefer the moral system of capitalism rather than the immoral socialism and please, don't tell me "tHe PoLlS sAy ThAt TrUmP wIlL lOsE", the same fucking polls said that Trump has no chance of winning in 2016. By the way it's funny how you work with a migrant from a country that has been destroyed by socialism, yet you're a fucking socialist
2019-11-12 01:36
1. In the UK we have public funded healthcare. 2. The drugs he requires are not covered by the NHS due to people like you that defend privatised healthcare. 3. Farmers are going broke, coal plants closing down and refusing to pay staff, truckers striking, number of outsourced jobs higher than under Obama. He flipped on campaign promises like higher taxes of rich and ending corporate tax loopholes. If you honestly think he's winning again then you've not been paying attention. 4. No-one is advocating for full socialism. You're either dumb as fuck or you've been lied to if that's what you think. 5. She migrated here in 2013 when Maduro took power. She praises Chavez. 6. Did you completely ignore the part where I said she had her own pharmaceuticals store back in Venezuala?
2019-11-12 11:13
We will talk in 2020 when Trump gets re-elected and continues to make America great again (+ defend it from evil socialists like Bernie)
2019-11-12 11:18
We'll talk in 2020 when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s vision of America is finally fulfilled.
2019-11-12 11:20
Cool, in the meantime you can do something more productive and stop discussing US politics because you don't fucking live here see you in 2020
2019-11-12 11:26
In the meantime I shall continue discussing US politics, since I have 9 friends across 5 states, 2 being active duty Navy.
2019-11-12 11:29
oh I have some friends from the UK too, boris johnson best PM in the history
2019-11-12 11:35
A short-lived premiership I'm sure.
2019-11-12 14:35
It's too weird to see an ideology that should be defined ‘Social Liberalism’ or just ‘ Social Democracy’ to be labelled ‘retarded commie/socialist propaganda‘. Plus I'm noticing our gov doing neo-liberal things (in a twisted form but still) to economics while not only ‘westerners’, but ppl among us believe we are actually doing communist things. Fuck it, the world is screwed. Plus what role did the media web and education take in mongering those things to all of us? Now I'm beginning to think that always feelin dissatisfied with hearing what I 'want to hear' from the media--all of them--is a good habit.
2019-11-13 17:36
its about creating us vs them conflicts so the working people are too busy being mad at each other, so they dont revolt against the rich. doesnt matter whether its 'communist' country like china or america, its the same thing everywhere.
2019-11-14 09:42
#317
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North America 007DBR9 
Most of it would be wasted on military spending 1/3 of the US budget is meaningless military spending, and the next biggest section is paying old people
2019-11-13 13:57
So he's paid 10bn taxes on 108bn of his fortune. How is it fair that I pay over 30% taxes on less than 50k a year and he pays less than 10% and thinks he's doing the world a favor. 100bn in taxes is a joke but cmon he can at least pay as much as a working class person.
2019-11-10 12:49
why should he pay 1000000% times more than you? only cus he earns 1000000% more than you? is it his fault?
2019-11-10 13:28
Thats how percentages work. Incredible how people argue that rich people should be except from the rules and have no problem that all their cash is sitting in some Shell company in panama. You earn more you pay more taxes easy
2019-11-10 13:45
"You earn more you pay more taxes easy" summarized your intellect perfeclty, bye
2019-11-10 14:09
#318
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North America 007DBR9 
This dude doesn't even know how tax works XDDDDDD
2019-11-13 13:58
youre both retarded
2019-11-14 09:39
youre both retarded
2019-11-14 09:40
thx :*
2019-11-15 13:07
#208
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Norway Warerks 
net worth =/= money in the bank
2019-11-10 14:28
True, but does that mean just because the money is locked up in stocks it should not be taxed. Weird that only the commoners way of making money is taxed...
2019-11-10 14:40
#210
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Norway Warerks 
it is taxed if he liquidates them
2019-11-10 14:42
Bit naive. When it does get liquidated it will be done over shell companies on little Caribbean islands paying 0 taxes. Maybe not with gates but most wealthy people
2019-11-10 14:45
in some more or less civilised countries you pay tax over the estimated worth of your stocks at jan. 1 every year
2019-11-14 09:38
Sounds like a good solution
2019-11-15 13:07
Gates is actually a supporter of higher income taxes for the billionaires. But the wealth tax is extremely illogical and doesn't work
2019-11-10 20:24
Socialism is the future. Everyone who doesn't agree with that is a fascist, racist, bigot, sexist, anti-feminist. Real Socialism has never been tested
2019-11-10 12:55
#213
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Germany Merkelistan 
name checks out
2019-11-10 14:55
#319
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North America 007DBR9 
you got baited so hard lmfao
2019-11-13 13:59
lolololololololololololol
2019-11-10 13:12
your point in posting stuff like this here? most people are around 17 here (based on a survey i did a few weeks ago)
2019-11-10 13:19
I thought they were older tbh
2019-11-10 17:53
it rather depends on what kind of thread youre in
2019-11-14 09:38
#200
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Portugal dave1906 
socialism is dangerous. every time some governor just appears with a 'new form of socialism' and caliming that it will work and shit. it doesnt. any time. pls end socialism and his deathfull ideas
2019-11-10 13:24
You literally couldn’t take $100bn that’s not even what net worth is
2019-11-10 17:53
Flat tax at 10-15% and lower the military budget and public healthcare for everyone except the poor
2019-11-10 19:14
#321
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North America 007DBR9 
flat tax doesn't work, the current system works but it needs adjusting
2019-11-13 14:00
It has never been tried
2019-11-14 14:46
flat tax will only make it worse lol
2019-11-14 09:37
Make what worse?
2019-11-14 14:46
income inequality dragging down economic growth
2019-11-14 14:48
"EARNING TAXES" Encouraging success and high salaries = economic prosperity You can deal with wealth saving instead of spending by simply applying savings taxes
2019-11-14 14:52
no, spending power for the working class = economic prosperity savings taxes only incentivise people to invest their money, and then they get a return on their investment and have even more money and invest it again. people who actually work for their money will see their wages go down and companies see their profit margins go down because of all this interest on loans that has to be paid out. it doesnt solve anything. wealth redistribution does solve a lot of problems.
2019-11-14 14:55
Investments = companies want to fucking move in to your country, they will do the opposite if they get taxed to shit and if there is less money to invest. What do you mean by "actually work for their money" ?
2019-11-14 14:58
adding value to a product or service. like most people in wage labor do. most investors just sit on their ass watching the stock market go up and collecting subsidies from govt, and if the market crashes they get bailed out by the govt. risk free entrepeneurship. meantime people in wage labor lose their jobs and their houses. if they get taxed to shit, there will be more money to invest in the purchase power of the working people. as long as they can make a little bit of money risk free those companies wont leave. and even if they did it would be good riddance. companies leaving doesnt magically make people not want to buy products. they will be replaced by other companies who do pay taxes. btw currently, we are having more of a problem that there is too much money being invested than too little. stock market and housing market are exploding.
2019-11-14 15:08
#235
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Denmark how_much_ 
imagine thinking socialism is will improve living standards, HAHAHAAHAHAHAAAH fucking hilarious
2019-11-10 20:24
#323
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North America 007DBR9 
*lives in Scandinavia (unless you don't consider that socialism)
2019-11-13 14:00
Homogeneous country with a low population and developed neighbours
2019-11-14 14:53
socialism=shit because of Argentine socialism is how it is
2019-11-11 00:21
#324
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North America 007DBR9 
full on socialism doesn't work, the most extreme should be Sweden, Norway, or Denmarks ways
2019-11-13 14:01
#399
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Norway TaraZ 
Explain more pls
2019-11-14 12:12
Socialism is just stupid Who cars about it We all know it just doesn't work
2019-11-11 10:46
It obviously works since most of the countries that are considered to be the best to live in are socialist countries
2019-11-11 10:54
example: Norway Why do they have money for socialism? They have oil and gas What would happen if there was no oil or gas?
2019-11-11 11:42
#326
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North America 007DBR9 
example : Sweden, Denmark
2019-11-13 14:01
basically the same except with a couple % less money. source: my country is rapidly ending the expoitation of our gas reserves
2019-11-14 09:36
#327
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Brazil 4vengerr 
like venezuela, right? HAHAHAHAHAH
2019-11-13 14:02
Venezuela isn't considered to one of the best places to live. And not Brazil either, rather the opposite :)
2019-11-13 14:08
#335
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Brazil 4vengerr 
I didn't mentioned anything about Brazil LUL your post was : "considered to be the best to live in are socialist countries". again, like venezuela ? Because they are a socialist country
2019-11-13 14:13
You're obviously not understanding what I'm trying to say. Here's some easy instructions: 1. Find a list of the the greatest countries to live from any of the last 50 years, preferably from World Population Review 2. Look at how many of the countries on the top of the list that have socialist governments 3. Good job
2019-11-13 15:55
ussr cuba china?
2019-11-13 20:12
The premise was that socialism doesn't work. Look at the top of the list that I mentioned in #341, then on your previous comment, and then try to add 1+1 together.
2019-11-14 08:54
scandinavian countries have a lot of socialist policies, so does my country, and we are consistently ranked very high in lots of rankings, for income, happiness, quality of life. good job.
2019-11-14 12:47
That's exactly my point. Learn to read first and write after. Goob job.
2019-11-14 14:10
well the way you phrased it could be one way or the other
2019-11-14 14:15
If you don’t read my previous comments, perhaps. But on the other side, I wasn’t talking to you.
2019-11-14 14:23
well i dont think this other guy will respond again
2019-11-14 14:25
Small countries, developed neighbours and a homogeneous population
2019-11-14 14:54
Please feed me with more pointless information without context
2019-11-14 15:16
"Oh noes, he's going to lose his private jet or something! Think about his family! He'll only have enough money left for a hundred lifetimes! How dare they!"
2019-11-11 12:07
Just be successful yourself retard
2019-11-14 14:54
What does that have to do with anything?
2019-11-14 14:56
Why cry about others earning money when you can do exactly the same thing as them?
2019-11-14 14:59
Where did I cry about anyone earning money? People should earn money and it's good that they do. I only put a summary of the people being offended that some people earning more than necessary for any human being to live more than comfortably for a thousand lifetimes have to pay huge taxes, while even paying these taxes would still give them more than enough to live comfortably for several life times anyway. It's a ridiculous outrage. Be outraged about actual real issues which actually hurt people's living standards, like world hunger or malaria for example, there you have real reasons to be outraged. Even if you don't want to go that extreme, be outraged about the living conditions of the poor in developed countries, that's something to be outraged about. But crying over other people losing billions and being left with "only" billions to live off of is just ridiculous. Whether or not I can earn the same amount of money (on top of being ridiculously false, otherwise most people would already be a billionaire if it was just as easy as doing what they all do) is irrelevant, if I was a billionaire, people crying over me being taxed heavily would be just as ridiculous.
2019-11-14 15:09
You could just apply savings taxes to make sure that the billions keep flowing around the market but i'm pretty libertarian so they can do whatever they want with their money, apart from a small portion of it being taken away to fund roads, education and etc. I can see how it's "too much money" but in my eyes that's not my business
2019-11-14 15:53
The point is to redistribute some of the money towards other hands and other goals, if you tax them just so that they keep the money flowing, they'll just keep it flowing to avoid the tax but the money won't change hands and goals: it'll still be in the hands of these billionaires and will accomplish the goals of these billionaires. Besides, it's easy to fake services in order to transfer money, that's how they operate tax heavens, so keeping the money flowing will be a piece of cake, even if the money doesn't do anything other than amassing interest while changing bank accounts every day. The aim to tax on capital is to take some of the money away from those hands and goals so that public interests are served. Now of course for public interests to be served it requires a somewhat efficient and honest government, but that's another problem entirely. My point is not that it's too much money. It's just a lot of money, and taxing it heavily is not a problem for the living standards of these few people, while it can make a tremendous difference in the lives of many, so that's not something I'm going to cry about. I don't think heavy taxes on the rich will be as effective as it could be in current political systems, because it requires systems where power is a lot more decentralized so that it cannot as easily get corrupted, but it's definitely not something I'm going to cry about. Redistribution is necessary in order to have a society which treats its members well, and even though some of this money will be taken back by the extra rich through lobbying and corruption anyway, at least some of it will be used for public goods, which is better than nothing. In any case, the "don't you see I'm going to be left with only billions" line by those rich people is asinine and certainly not worth my outrage.
2019-11-14 16:53
Imagine being triggered by a tweet from a no name random idiot
2019-11-11 12:19
Taking his money only offsets the economy and ends up hurting you in the long run
2019-11-11 12:31
not if you give it to the poor. it would be very beneficial for the working class in USA if the minimum wage was increased a bit, a lot of their debt was paid off, and they didnt have to work 2 fulltime jobs to pay the rent and send their kids to a good school. a more wealthy, happier, and more healthy population is more productive and will generate even more wealth for the 1% than the current situation where they just take too much. it doesnt make any sense from a long term perspective, until you accept that the actual goal of this system is to oppress people and keep them poor and dependent.
2019-11-11 13:08
giving money to the poor will only cause inflation, they wont actually get anything out of it
2019-11-11 13:21
prices for many products are inelastic, milk wont become much more expensive if you give poor ppl money, certain luxury goods might. but iphones already cost 1000 euro anyway and poor ppl still go into massive debt to afford them. also most luxury items are constantly going down in price anyway due to technological progress more money & lower debt on poor ppl -> better health, better nutrition, happier, less sick days, more room to invest in the future with education, training courses -> more productivity -> more money for the rich and the money always ends back up in the pockets of the same couple hundred people anyway its win win
2019-11-13 13:19
This is why amazon doesn't pay taxes
2019-11-14 00:44
nah they dont pay taxes because theyre greedy and shortsighted and they have the government in their pocket jeff bezos is smart enough to make billions but he doesnt understand keynesian economics? sure he does, he knows its wrong what hes doing, but whos going to stop him? most americans are raised to believe greed is good and trickle down economics works. they want to continue to be exploited. its quite kafka-esque
2019-11-14 09:25
If you increase the minimum wage people will just lose work to machines and inflation will kick in.
2019-11-14 14:55
thats great, then we can increase tax for highly automated businesses and those people can go do something more interesting with their lives than manual labor
2019-11-14 15:00
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” ― Buckminster Fuller, July 12, 1895 – July 1, 1983
2019-11-14 15:02
Ok go pick berries and think, i aint paying for your shit
2019-11-14 15:49
dont worry mate im one of those 1 in 10.000
2019-11-14 15:50
good and dont pay for other people's shit either
2019-11-14 15:53
you cant stop me
2019-11-14 15:53
#262
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Kazakhstan dc7 
so if valve keep inviting astralis to competitions, each time they place 1st they should revoke it and make 2nd and 3rd prize more because their players already have too much total prize money won bruh.... american government invites business people and entrepreneurs to its country because it is pro-capitalism, taking it off any business person goes against all the capitalism they stand for
2019-11-11 12:36
#328
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North America 007DBR9 
I don't think you understand the magnitude of 100 billion dollars
2019-11-13 14:03
Nobody stopped you from earning the same amount over time?
2019-11-14 14:56
yes they do? even if you succeed at starting a software company these days you will either get bought out in a hostile takeover, get buried in regulation written by your multi billion dollar competitions lobbyists and lawyers, or they will simply outcompete you by selling their product below cost price until you run out of money because they have deeper pockets no one can do now what bill gates did in the past. no one can now start a company like google or youtube from their fucking garage. those days are over. big money wins. again.
2019-11-14 15:53
Selling for below cost price is a crime btw
2019-11-14 15:54
not if your company is called uber or amazon
2019-11-14 15:56
They make profit, so nope
2019-11-14 15:59
they do now yes but not when they started for the first few years, they just ran on billions of venture capital money too big to fail
2019-11-14 16:06
actually uber still isnt making money theverge.com/2019/8/8/20793793/uber-5-bi..
2019-11-14 16:06
Just a bad business then
2019-11-14 16:16
Also im done replying, this took up quite a bit of my time and i have something i have to finish, thanks for the talk i guess
2019-11-14 16:17
you too
2019-11-14 16:18
or netflix. or spotify.
2019-11-14 15:57
the fuck are you on about with these 2
2019-11-14 15:59
both these companies ran at a loss for years, funded by billions from venture capital firms, charging users less than what they pay in royalties to music companies, until they killed the competition, and now they are raising subscription prices oldest trick in the book
2019-11-14 16:01
or microsoft giving away windows 10 for free
2019-11-14 15:57
Nah thats a way to get people into your ecosystem and those who dont pay pirate anyway. There are many free OS
2019-11-14 15:58
its also anti competitive. they give it away for free so that people dont switch to free OS like linux. then after they forced everyone to upgrade with windows uppdates that literally automatically replace your OS, and forced businesses to upgrade, they start charging yearly subscriptions and collecting data to sell targeted ads. its impossible to win against a company so big that is allowed to do such things.
2019-11-14 16:00
#268
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Brazil jstrr 
not saying Gates shouldn't be celebrated for his contributions to computer science and technology, but imagine believing billionaires should even exist whilst most people can't even get a doctor without starving themselves in your country lmao
2019-11-11 13:04
#285
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Croatia DNM_ii 
Just get a fucking job then. Most employers pay for your insurance and doctors. If you've worked hard and earned a billion dollars, why shouldn't you exist?
2019-11-11 16:31
#287
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Brazil jstrr 
imagine legitimately believing most people who have a billion dollars worked hard for it
2019-11-11 16:54
I did not read through this whole thread because why the fuck would I do that...But it appears no one has grasped that he was fucking making a joke. He's probably the most progressive billionaire on this planet, but of course everything is taken out of context because this is the fucking internet and that's just what we do.
2019-11-11 13:14
most progressive billionaire on the planet is still a greedy asshole who probably got thousands of people killed by just taking too much and leaving too little for others. and then we havent even talked about them literally murdering people, like this epstein guy, lobbying the govt to start wars so they can make more money, etc etc. microsoft just got a 10 billion contract from the DoD. what do you think theyll be making for that money?
2019-11-14 09:28
I could write an essay on that topic, but political debates on hltv never end well.
2019-11-11 13:23
private property is theft wage labour is slavery
2019-11-11 13:25
Open your minds.. Stop thinking in terms of left and right, socialism vs capitalism etc. It limits you. These are theories that are quite old by now, a lot has happened. We've invented stuff. We know more. I think it's time for you little weasels who have studied "economics" and think you know everything to realize that the current system is completely broken and needs to be reformed. That doesn't mean anyone wants something like they tried in Russia or China. But to think that any change to this neoliberal system would result in that is just foolish,
2019-11-11 13:32
#329
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North America 007DBR9 
+1 no one seems to understand that ideology is 3 dimensional
2019-11-13 14:05
its n-dimensional, fucknugget
2019-11-14 09:28
I absolutely hate bill gates, and especially microsoft, but I would never advocate for retarded things like dynamic tax rate, nationalization and so on, he can keep his money and spend it on bio toilets for africans or whatever the fuck he wants to do with it
2019-11-11 13:38
how could u possibly "absolutely hate" him? xD
2019-11-11 15:55
#330
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North America 007DBR9 
He was making a joke, and Bill Gates is the most likable billionaire
2019-11-13 14:06
thats like saying ted bundy was the most likable serial killer
2019-11-14 10:29
90% of it will stay in his pocket and go to his family after he dies and they will sit on that pile of money and collect interest until someone pulls out the fucking guillotine
2019-11-14 09:29
Some people really need their heads checked
2019-11-11 15:54
#281
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
What they don't understand is that billionaires didn't only enrich themselves but everyone around them as well by supplying them with cheap goods of good quality.
2019-11-11 16:13
and everyone around them would be even richer if the billionaires paid 90% taxes which would pay for more infrastructure and education so more people can work more productively and create even better products at lower costs and then the billionaires would be even more succesful the truth is, that a lot of people dont just want to be rich. they want others to be poor and dependent on them. they want power.
2019-11-14 10:28
#283
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Netherlands gay_marriage 
I have no problem with socialism but he is retarded xd
2019-11-11 16:23
#284
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Croatia DNM_ii 
The problem with a lot, if not all socialists is that they have no idea how the economy functions. Literally all of my socialist friends tell me "I don't understand this" whenever I debate them. EDIT: Not to mention the wage increases they want which employers wouldn't be able to pay out unless it's Walmart or something.
2019-11-11 16:29
you should meet some smarter socialists then
2019-11-14 09:29
look at this argument if he needs to pay 100bi in taxes he have a LOT more than that and not working but exploiting the work of thousands of honest people. and more when you are a billionare you cant spend all this money at a point a person with that amount of money can buy only power buy politicians to earn even more money. its not health for the world a person with so much power and money when others are starving to death
2019-11-11 18:58
#291
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Croatia DNM_ii 
A person with so much money also owns Microsoft which is giving jobs to people. "Starving to death", get a job!
2019-11-11 21:41
#305
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Brazil mena$$a 
Jobs to people? MILLIONS of jobs all around the world. But don't waste your time, he thinks that big companies just exists to explore poor people and make money to the owner. And he didn't understand that 107bi is the net worth of him *facepalm really hard*
2019-11-13 13:31
microsoft isnt giving jobs to people. microsoft is taking money from people, just so they can work. if microsoft didnt exist, people could also work. if it was a cooperation instead of a corporation, with profit sharing, then it would be fair. this false reasoning is one of the biggest problems with american capitalism. rich people and companies dont create jobs. demand for products from the market creates jobs. the market is mostly poor people. working class. the people who work create the demand for products. rich people dont. theres just not that many of them. companies are just structures set up so some people who have enough starting capital can make money from the labor of other people.
2019-11-14 09:33
tl;dr srsly this thread could be someone's pHd dissertation. (+1) Taxation is theft.
2019-11-12 07:07
#297
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Belgium Axelele 
imagine having to give 93% of your earned money to the state
2019-11-12 11:23
#332
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North America 007DBR9 
oh no, I have to live on 7 billion dollars :sadface:
2019-11-13 14:08
oh the humanity
2019-11-14 09:33
The tax will make the ww lll more lit
2019-11-12 11:32
#304
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Finland ToxicDUD 
tfw the gov would spend that money in a few months and then need more
2019-11-13 13:18
#333
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North America 007DBR9 
they blow all of it on old people and the military
2019-11-13 14:08
#347
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Finland ToxicDUD 
false just entitlements are a huge cost
2019-11-13 17:53
#349
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North America 007DBR9 
military and social security is 2/3 of the governments spent budget, so no, they blow all of it on old people and military
2019-11-13 18:06
#350
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Finland ToxicDUD 
social security is so much more than old people
2019-11-13 18:38
look at his flag lol
2019-11-14 09:36
actually we don't want to take his money. we want to take his company and make it worker owned. taxing the hell out of him is the compromise
2019-11-13 14:01
#334
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North America 007DBR9 
is that socialism or communism, or just a workers rights thing
2019-11-13 14:09
socialism
2019-11-13 14:20
#337
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Turkey Stylight^ 
Imagine not knowing what 'net worth' is.
2019-11-13 14:20
They need to be put down that's it.
2019-11-13 14:22
I prefer guillotines but yeah we should get rid of billionaires
2019-11-13 14:27
No human needs over 100 billion dollars especially when there are people living in poverty.
2019-11-13 20:09
Why should he have to lose it because a bunch of spastics in government cannot use tax dollars better for their people. Fuck me dead the Left are idiots.
2019-11-14 09:33
because you cant even spend that amount of money in a lifetime. whats the purpose, of letting one man accumulate that much wealth at the expense of others? it will only slow down the rotation of money in society. its bad for the economy.
2019-11-14 09:35
You have no concept of reality and what it means to be successful and achieve goals. Have you considered the amount he donates and what he does for the world. Shut the fuck up boomer you have no idea about life and this topic.
2019-11-14 10:03
lmao why so mad he donates a couple % of his money. lots of people do that. he could donate everything except 1 billion dollars and still never have to worry about anything for the rest of his life. it means less that he gives some of it away, than it does for someone who actually has to work for his money what hes doing is actually very egotistical. he is a rich asshole, but he wants to think hes a good person, so he donates a bit to charity while his company and his money continue the crime against humanity that is our current economic system. hes a hypocrite. he should either sell all his corporate interests, and give away all the money he doesnt need to a good cause, or accept he's a bad guy who still wants to profit from crimes against humanity. its one or the other.
2019-11-14 10:22
Saumyax Look at this absolute boomers approach to life. Imagine him trying to survive in Australia with that attitude. KEK
2019-11-14 10:29
why would i want to live in a former prisoner colony with horrible weather and tons of animals that can kill you and terrible infrastructure and extremely high costs of living now can we get back on topic or was this your way of saying you have no arguments left?
2019-11-14 10:31
Letting a fellow Aussie know what kind of spastics live on the otherwise of the world. Lmao
2019-11-14 10:34
yes im sure he will agree im very spastic and didnt completely destroy you in 2 posts
2019-11-14 10:35
destroyed lmao Australians don’t talk logic to a person who believes a life times work should be given away because life isn’t fair and nobody should have that much money. It’s clear you have no success, self achievements and employment because you cannot see the value in success and accomplishments. Enjoy being shit at life forever crying about people’s success whilst you stack supermarket shelves studying gender equality hahaha Destroyed boomer.
2019-11-14 11:47
ahahaha tell me more about myself its quite entertaining youre the guy stacking boxes in supermarkets for the rest of your life because you dont get how the system works. i do.
2019-11-14 11:48
bill gates never worked a billion times as hard as people who only have 100 dollars saved up. he profited so much because he was smarter. if he's so smart, he can afford to pay 90% tax. he will win regardless. just like i win despite paying 40% income tax in the netherlands. because bill and i, we are competent white men and nothing can stop us. not even taxes. we are strong enough to provide for people. and for ourselves. without getting thanks for it. thats not what its about.
2019-11-14 11:55
also, maybe, you know, hold up on telling ppl they never accomplished anything until you actually graduate high school, kiddo. okay?
2019-11-14 11:56
Imagine working hard your entire life in order to become what most would consider the most successful person to ever touch this planet and then all ur hard work and wealth is just gonna be stripped off of you to be given to a hobo 21 yo guy that cant even use his brain to do simple mathematics after being educated and cries that he wants socialism to fix his brain damage Guy has already done so much. Retardo american socialists thinking 100B dollars to USA would be amazing, yet htey dont know he doesnt give shit about how much more USA earns rather he is willing to spend and has already spent millions towards other charities which are centralized around third world countries who are in dire need of that money.
2019-11-14 09:37
he makes billions and spends millions on charity. so thats about 0.1% of his income. i give away more than that.
2019-11-14 10:24
This Netherlands kid is a spastic.
2019-11-14 11:48
no u
2019-11-14 14:27
#371
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Belgium Septa 
It's just so entertaining to read the replies of people who actually use common sense and the only other "argument" the guy can come up with is a picture of Gates with Epstein. It's ridiculous. These people think they can change the world with idiotic ideas like this. My goodness.
2019-11-14 09:38
a picture of bill gates with epstein is a pretty good argument imo
2019-11-14 10:25
#501
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Belgium Septa 
A lot of people have been in the same room as Epstein, or even on a picture with him. There's no context, there's no facts about what their business relationship was. Pretty shitty argument to me.
2019-11-14 20:59
Interesting, don't think I've ever seen such a number of dumb people in one thread before...
2019-11-14 10:29
#397
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Wachu mean
2019-11-14 11:57
#406
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Vietnam rollofocker 
the problem is this man gives a lot but evades a LOT more in taxes probably. so it's kind of a mute point to 'give' back to society a fraction of what you legally should give. and the problem is not really the money, it's more the nature of a lot of money stacked together. hypercapitalism leads to monopolies.
2019-11-14 12:45
#412
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Brazil leguiza 
Taxes should be fare and square for someone who get 1k/month and a guy who gets 100k/month, unless if he lives in a bigger house which is more expensive, etc. You shouldn't pay more taxes just based on your bank account. If u earned your money the right way, you should keep it and do w/e you want, not pay more taxes.
2019-11-14 13:16
and earning it while sleeping because you get paid for other peoples work, is the right way?
2019-11-14 14:28
#473
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Brazil leguiza 
if u hired them to work for you and they accepted it, no problem at all.
2019-11-14 15:09
lol people who arent rich and need to pay rent and feed their kids dont have another choice. they cant afford to spend money to start a business and wait years to make it back. they often cant even afford to work as a contractor even though they could make more money because they cant risk losing a contract or getting sick. people who are born in rich families cna afford to take these risks and because of that they get richer without having to do anything.
2019-11-14 15:15
#499
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Brazil leguiza 
what the actual fuck are you talking about?
2019-11-14 16:40
Theft!!
2019-11-14 13:39
#438
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Russia RogueDecay 
imagine having 107 bil and not even investing in rocket science, fuck you bill
2019-11-14 13:54
Damn didn't know that in Russia you can go to store and buy shit with shares.
2019-11-14 14:56
I think this was ironic post
2019-11-14 15:06
they can have their opinion but shouldn’t expect that very rich people agree and give that much
2019-11-14 21:02
Socialism is bad
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