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I thought you had alot of options to chose from in capitalism
2019-11-11 19:13
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10 is a lot compared to 1
2019-11-11 19:15
+1. While it can be hard to compete in an oversaturated market, you can still do it as long as you offer more value than other bigger companies. At the same there is many aggressive policies in place to punish attempts from big companies to run price wars against their competitors, so there really is no downside, until the government starts getting overly involved and makes it impossible to hire people and even harder to fire them, aka socialist policies.
2019-11-11 19:20
Denmark Notallama 
Funny, we have a lot of those "socialist policies" (they aren't socialist per definition, no idea why you call it that) yet it's incredibly easy to lay off personel in Denmark. Your point about price wars makes little sense, unless you are talking about a homogeneous market.. in which case it's about monopoly intervention (Arla as an example). All in all, a lot of words with no real meaning.
2019-11-14 14:28
lol In real life any small effort to "offer more value", therefore competing like delusional dreamers think they can, is destroyed or incorporated by the giant corporations. Free market is a delusional dream. Everything is very well controlled by the giant corporations from the very start of production to the hands of buyers. Why don't try to create a new soft drink and try to put it for sale @ markets and restaurants? What do you think will happen?
2019-11-21 19:21
You realise how fucking expensive it is to just create a new soft drink, have it mass produced and then market it? Literally 90% of spending for the big soft drink companies is spent on advertising as their way of competing. Theres plenty of smaller brands, you just dont hear about them. But then again they dont rely on the same amount of profits since they dont have to spend the same amount on advertising it.
2019-11-21 19:24
There you have it. They can exist as long as their market share equals nothing. A soft drink was just an example. You can think any product you want. If somehow you don't die by yourself within the first 2 years, like 80% do, you will be destroyed or forced to sell your brand anytime the big corporations want to. Wake up. There's no free market.
2019-11-22 03:00
LUL, monkey brain, there are almost barriers to entry in any country, if you dont have the means to meet them, then you wont be able to create a business, doesnt mean the market isnt open
2019-11-22 07:48
Well, after your answer, it's pretty clear who is the monkey brain here. I feel really sorry for you.
2019-11-22 13:20
Monkey brain capable of empathy? XD
2019-11-22 13:23
Bulgaria GodHeaven 
2019-11-11 19:19
not defending any of the Regimes responsible for the numbers in your jpg, but you could do literally the exact same for capitalism :D
2019-11-11 19:25
Not really. The people that died in China were killed cus they had the wrong oppinions. Same in Russia, North Korea and so on. Pol Pot killed people wearing glasses cus he saw them as a threat to his regime. Cus people wearing glasses were intellectuals.
2019-11-11 19:32
Albania Udfj 
colonialism, installing regimes post colonialism (eg. CIA admitted involvement in south america), wars in middle east, highest arms producers.
2019-11-11 19:44
Estimates of humans killed by Colonialism is around 50 million, spread out on 500 years. China and Russia have killed more in >50 years. Pol Pot killed 1,3 million in 4 years. And if a Capitalist country goes to war, that death toll is not cus of capitalism. But when you kill a person cus he dosent believe in communism. What CIA was during, was to counter communism.
2019-11-11 19:49
Albania Udfj 
"The people that died in China were killed cus they had the wrong oppinions." "What CIA was during, was to counter communism." it looks to me like capitalist countries didnt want wrong opinions.
2019-11-11 19:57
Trying to prevent a totalitarian regime, how dare they.
2019-11-11 20:04
Brit with non PC logical mind wtf? Ill brush ur teeth for u men))
2019-11-11 20:32
Not a brit.
2019-11-11 20:35
Yeah, just shut up, idiot
2019-11-14 14:50
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Capitalism is an economic system, not a social system. The US did not go to war in the middle east because of capitalism, they went to war in the middle east for economic gains. Totalitarian governments stealing from smaller states is a failure of government in itself, not of capitalism. Or i guess you can argue that capitalism failed to control the government, but violence + brainwashing is hard to counter.
2019-11-11 21:41
Sweden kAED 
lmao you got destroyed, fucking stupid balkan communist
2019-11-21 19:43
these are the most retarded stats you could possibly find. please don't reproduce, your understanding of the world is fucked and your capacity for higher thinking is at the same level as the average 9 yo.
2019-11-14 12:56
right winger (you) got rekt by facts and logic! ebin win for Lenin LUL
2019-11-15 17:23
not a right-winger. but okey. keep blindly supporting people. uneducated kid. but maybe try to develop your understanding of mathematics and statistics. and avoid reddit as a a source for factual knowledge.
2019-11-15 19:34
Lmao you dumb fuck I am probably the most educated HLTV user, I'd say its pretty much a 100% fact. So there, dumb alt-right loser destroyed by EDUCATION and STATISTICS! this is too fucking ez
2019-11-15 22:38
political reddit pages goddamn you need medical assistance
2019-11-14 14:36
Hold on, dude, what do you think these numbers represent?
2019-11-14 14:53
Oh man, I have trawled through these comments for a good 15 minutes. You people need help. Unfortunately, my position is fortified.
2019-11-14 15:14
reddit as a source lol
2019-11-15 05:41
Sweden chainylol 
The death toll from wars are definitely started by capitalism. There is a profit motive in going to war many times for the offensive side in the war.
2019-11-15 20:58
Capitalism, dude, not colonialism. Are you for real...?
2019-11-14 14:49
*Soviet Union
2019-11-12 09:25
and the usa totally hasnt killed millions people to defend their corporate interests
2019-11-14 14:21
Yeah and Trump is out on the streets literally killing millions right now
2019-11-14 14:55
he did promise to personally fuck every immigrant to death
2019-11-14 14:59
[citation needed]
2019-11-14 15:02
It was useful to have an outlook into how the lower echelons of society operate. Thanks. Keep on going.
2019-11-14 15:21
sorry but you didnt make any arguments or said anything funny yet. i tried to put some effort in. your ball.
2019-11-14 15:22
You said that: 1. the US killed million to defeat corporate interests; and 2. Trump promised to personally fuck every immigrant to death. Now, go, git, leftie. Put up or shut up.
2019-11-14 15:26
i was right on both counts and i will stand by that i even gave you source when you asked for it
2019-11-14 15:27
As I said, put up or shut up.
2019-11-14 15:36
fuck off mate you got nothing
2019-11-14 15:41
nice clip denouncing current 'right-wingers' from a show made by two life long republicans.
2019-11-15 19:38
yeah its almost as if that radical tea party took over a party that once stood for sensible conservative government and family values and shooting foreigners and minorities, and its now alienating its core voting block. oh wait thats exactly what happened.
2019-11-18 14:45
wtf are you on about? really seems like your mental capacity has been getting worse over the years. maybe stop trolling hltv for one day bud. p.s. you can spend the time learning about the history of the world you think you know. which fyi, this point about the historical relation between Republicans and foreigners shows just how ignorant you are. keep up though, teenage angsty sensationalism is in mode.
2019-11-18 22:30
i have been paying attention to american politics for a long time. this is exactly what happened. im not the first person to say this either. a lot of republicans even warned about this tea party takeover during the 2008 election. you just have the memory of a goldfish.
2019-11-19 09:26
imma leave you with this for both your comments. 0/8
2019-11-19 15:45
2019-11-19 16:34
whatever you want bud, youre clearly delusional and painfullynaware the world is older than 200 years.
2019-11-19 19:29
I always thought you were a baiter, but now you've confirmed it
2019-11-15 21:56
when i run into a retard, i try to get down to his level to have some form of conversation but they usually stop trying really quickly
2019-11-18 14:42
None of what you just wrote is related
2019-11-18 16:44
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2019-11-11 21:22
There's a difference between people dying under something compared to people being actively killed, communism actively killed people in the millions and put them in work camps so did the German national socialists to compare them murdering people to people dying under capitalism is retarded
2019-11-19 09:22
2019-11-11 19:31
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
Where do those death tolls come from? If you’re using the black book of communism as a source they count nazi’s killed in WW2 by the Soviet Union as people “killed under communism” soooo that’s bs
2019-11-11 19:35
Do your research on Nikita Khrushchev especially what happened after Stalins death, and about the holodomor & the revolution of the 1917. The war casualties are up to 35m apparently
2019-11-12 09:54
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
Please source that, literally any figure that you can pull for communism “killing” people, capitalism has killed 10x more in that same way. If you want to talk about the holodomor, you also have to talk about the millions of people who die every year globally without food due to capitalism.
2019-11-12 17:12
This has to be a bait lmao, I've never seen a dumber comment on hltv.
2019-11-12 17:26
nice reply
2019-11-12 17:31
Thank you darling, you have a great day
2019-11-12 17:37
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
Expected that you have no response
2019-11-12 18:26
There's no reason for me to try to debate it since you won't change your opinions, you don't care to change, you just want to believe that you're right. Good luck with that!
2019-11-12 18:28
Greece hekzy 
Sounds like you are projecting.
2019-11-14 14:23
how do you dumbfucks still attribute starvation etc to capitalism??? have you guys ever picked up a history book? it would take just one day of learning about european development from the 17th century onwards to learn how stupid your point is.
2019-11-14 13:15
Vietnam rollofocker 
BREAKING: global poverty started existing only when capitalism did. not like since china opened it markets more they actually raised countless people from extreme poverty.
2019-11-14 13:29
confused by the conflicting messages here, but im also fucked up rn, so ill assume the first is sarcastic. but yeh i mean you legitimately have to be delusional to think capitalism = poverty, starvation or more disease. literally every metric you can find shows that all three of these have been declining since we created capitalist markets.
2019-11-14 13:36
Vietnam rollofocker 
people confuse extortion on a global scale with capitalism. extortion is of all ages. technology just increased the effectiveness of it. capitalism started out as a simple rationalization of offer/demand market mechanics. capitalism enables creation of a lot of wealth, which some nations have abused to impoverish other nations. but there are plenty of examples that market economy indeed stimulates markets to grow by f.e. stimulating competition. so the problem is not capitalism, it's more human nature and that there need to be checks and balances on everything, that's why i prefer mixed economy (europe) over pure capitalism (more in the USA style).
2019-11-14 13:46
2019-11-14 13:47
europe isnt really mixed economy any more, maybe 50 years ago it was
2019-11-14 14:23
Vietnam rollofocker 
when you start a new business you get startup loans and benefits, healthcare and transport etc is all subsidized by the government, you got social tarrifs for people with lower income... all things that are markers of mixed economy. it's just that due to global economy beyond a certain boundary you really have predatory capitalism. this is not a purposeful choice of eu governments more like the direct result of the dramatic increase in global market scale. this is a new problem altogether and it needs A) a lot more global cooperation or B) some kind of a world body that regulates international companies. this is where i tend to agree with socialists, but what a lot of socialists do is simplify things and then make mistakes. i prefer some elements of capitalism and i object to global predatory capitalism. but that doesn't mean europe stopped being a mixed economy or that capitalism or classes should be abolished altogether.
2019-11-14 14:30
EU can solve the problem on its own in 1 day. break up multinationals into multiple branches that have to do independent accounting. the EU branch of the business has to have a headquarters in Europe and pay taxes in Europe. currently used loopholes like the one used to pay billions of profit as royalties to shell companies in the caymans for use of a logo or intellectual property of the umbrella company can be outlawed. but they wont do it because they are not socialists, they are capitalist cronies trying to erode all our socialist policies as quickly as possible so we can go back to the 19th century
2019-11-14 14:35
Vietnam rollofocker 
lol. you don't have to socialist to do these kind of things. the kingdom of france was in essence also a state planned economy, just not communist. what would the king of france have done to unilever? raise income taxes or forbid unilever to enter the giant french economy. you probably know this word but don't know the consequences, protectionism. up until ww2 european markets were very closed and american companies had to abide by european governments their laws if they wanted access to the huge eu markets. then ww2 happened and USA was among the victors, they helped with the marshiall plan to rebuild europe but europe was forbidden to close their markets. here lies the root of several problems of today's market. if EU says to unilever fuck you pay more taxes then unilever will simply leave european market and europe will lose a lot of jobs but unilever will still have access to EU markets. if europe says protectionism is back then china and usa will both ally against europe (let's forget the trade war which is essentially about the same thing). TL:DR the problem is not capitalism it's lack of protectionism whereby governments can punish companies.
2019-11-14 14:41
protectionism is already back. USA is doing it. China does it. foreigners arent allowed to own majority shares in chinese companies. Russia is basically a complete oligarchy so they dont have issues with foreigners either. Europe is the only region that is nearly completely open. but we dont need to close our markets to protect our interest. we can directly protect our interests, even without controlling these companies, just by forcing them to pay taxes here if they want to to business here. if some big companies dont want to pay taxes, they can leave, and that will cause a temporary dip in employment, but those gaps will quickly be filled by new local companies who do pay taxes. i dont see a big problem there.
2019-11-14 14:45
Vietnam rollofocker 
yeah it's falling down but we still have a global economy. USA enforced open markets because it was in their advantage. until china beat usa in their game and now trump is going back to protectionist measures. now we enter the final stage: geopolitics. notice how china and usa are the two biggest players atm? this all depends on military size and influence sphere. usa CAN say fuck you china i'm going to tax you to hell but europe CAN'T say fuck you unilever or google. they can only do symbolic fines which don't mean shit. it's an interesting time to live in, if protectionism comes back the global economy will crumble, guess who don't want that? china and usa (also germany don't want that). you're talking also from the perspective of the bigger things. but we all have seen how simple employees react to big companies leaving. governments try their best to keep big companies here to sooth unions etc. I still prefer a mixed economy over a state planned one. i see your point that a state-planned economy can easily replace unilever but replacing such giant corporations can easily take a decade, unless you make a half-assed company without the expertise that unilever possesses you can only force a company to pay taxes if you can actually punish them. this is the point. because of geopolitics right now EU cannot punish USA companies in a real way. maybe soon it will but Europe doesn't have a real army and there are so many USA bases in europe that need to GTFO.
2019-11-14 14:52
US and China are only the largest players because europe is sleeping i dont see why europe cant say fuck you to google. europe is the biggest market on the planet for googles products. they have to listen if they dont want to go bankrupt. they are heavily invested in our market. there are other search engines and email providers. there is no second europe.
2019-11-14 14:58
Vietnam rollofocker 
because in terms of geopolitics USA owns EU. France got a seat at the permanent table of the UN. France lost WW2 and WW1 but USA gave them special powers. so essentially france is the number one bitch of USA. they'd rather be stronger than germany being the bitch of USA than be weaker than germany being independent. shame on france. and germany is essentially still owned by USA. the place is filled with USA bases and they cannot do international missions because of taboo and they cannot raise a substantial army. divide and conquer. USA played this game perfectly.
2019-11-14 15:02
well idk im pretty sure macron and merkel are getting along pretty well and at this point both the french and german people are getting pretty fed up with american policies. nothing better to unite people than a common enemy. all those terrorist attacks and refugee waves caused by USA imperialism is accelerating the progress nicely and these trade wars are also influencing the situation. give it a few more years
2019-11-14 15:11
and actually the UK is a way bigger bitch to USA than the french
2019-11-14 15:31
Vietnam rollofocker 
maybe but it's not relevant to europe its situation. UK was never really a part of mainland europe. the two keys to europe are germany and france. play them out against each other and you win. besides UK has a good army and they fought well in both WW partially because of geography they have some leverage over USA. but france got none. if USA leaves europe france can easily be destroyed by germany again unless they get a new napoleon. so france really NEEDS USA while UK only marginally needs them. UK are allies to USA, maybe the weaker partners but they share a 'special bond'.
2019-11-14 15:34
france and germany are basically already 1 country economically. together with benelux. there is so much co ownership of businesses and dependence on each others economy. france should be more afraid of USA invasion than germany. germany doesnt have an army. we all know they can rapidly industrialize and rearm if they want to. but thats not profitable for them to do. co operate with the french to form 1 front and dictate the course of the EU is much more profitable
2019-11-14 15:41
Vietnam rollofocker 
if germany manages to conquer a giant market its economical returns would be insane. but nobody really wants war, as you said i'd also like more unity and leverage against USA, but keep the national governments intact. part of what makes europe so strong is the rivalry between nations.
2019-11-14 15:43
eh im pretty sure this rivalry is what allows the USA and china to buy up all our shit
2019-11-14 15:50
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
Because we have people dying from starvation while there’s enough food produced in the word to feed everyone only because it’s “losing value” to give away food being thrown away anyways. That’s explicitly because of capitalism Capitalism inspired imperialism also causes poverty and starvation in the global south
2019-11-14 19:11
you clearly have no experience in any of this beyond the basic theories, if you think we can feed everyone around the world. Particularly if you blame the inability to do so on capitalism. if you look at literally any metric or statistic covering poverty, famines and petty warfare over the last 500 years of global history (all of western Europe, America, China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, India the list goes on), you will see an inarguable correlation between the introduction of actual capitalist markets and these numbers falling (though amazing the number of people who write about sensationalist incorrect bullshit rises). "capitalism inspired imperialism" is such a retroactive reimagining of imperialism in the global south, it's laughable. the only time and place where such a concept would be applicable is in post-imperial South America and the abusive trade deals Britain made with countries like Peru (which shows your lack of knowledge given how these deals fall under the concept of 'Britains shadow empire' in modern historiography). fyi most of the issues still present to this day in places like Africa and South America were caused by policies that were explicitly non-capitalist. like extreme tariffs; monopolies on infrastructure, production and trade to name but a few (none of which are capitalist). The only other thing that is even similar to "capitalism inspired imperialism" are the foreign policies of America over the last 300 years, which can barely be called imperialism, particularly when referring to the global south. Either way all your points are idiotic since you are blaming things that have been present since before history (archeology of prehistory dead shows differences in material wealth and death by starvation) on an economic theory that started to come into development 500 years ago. you do realise if you could step outside your bubble, youd realise youre criticising an economic system because it doesn't fix everything and because the worlds not perfect and thats so disgustingly privileged and simultaneously ignorant that were done here.
2019-11-14 22:43
even if you counted all the people in undeveloped countries dying of all sorts of things - that neither a capitalist nor a communist world would have been able to prevent - you'd still have to weigh that with the many many times larger amount of people that live and have lived in capitalist states than in communist ones
2019-11-14 19:13
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
Maybe because the US overthrows the government of any slightly leftist country?
2019-11-15 20:28
any slightly leftist country? you mean like the whole of europe?
2019-11-15 20:50
Lack1 | 
United States Trive 
If you think Europe is left wing you literally don’t understand politics at all lmfao Neoliberals aren’t left
2019-11-15 23:02
i'm not the one here who doesn't understand politics. most of europe are social market economies - as in 'socialism' or are you one of the people who think anyone who's not a communist is right wing?
2019-11-16 11:59
Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
2019-11-11 19:56
you're one retard responding to another
2019-11-19 09:28
+1, but communists are way too stupid to understand this
2019-11-12 09:51
Finland kelvinha 
This is literally the devil itself, damn
2019-11-11 19:15
autist | 
Brazil hrp_ 
wtf haley +1
2019-11-11 19:46
Finland kelvinha 
wasssuuuup my dude +1111
2019-11-11 19:52
Norway Warerks 
obviously its ARBOGA back with his communist propaganda agian
2019-11-11 19:15
ok snowflake
2019-11-11 19:16
Norway Warerks 
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Norway Warerks 
2019-11-11 20:11
You gonna shoot up soon country of spoiled oilbabies who cant find meaning in life so start abusing drugs? Weak
2019-11-11 20:55
Norway Warerks 
Better to shoot up heroin then shoot up kids Mr. Malmø
2019-11-11 21:26
like i care about dead drugdealers lmao
2019-11-11 22:31
Norway Warerks 
15 year old drug dealer? nice country
2019-11-11 23:08
Breivik talking
2019-11-11 23:22
Norway Warerks 
multi millionare talking*
2019-11-11 23:39
your parents money isnt yours
2019-11-12 00:17
Norway Warerks 
its in my bank account so yes 😎
2019-11-12 00:24
as far as i know your money isnt yours until you turn 18 bucko
2019-11-12 00:37
Norway Warerks 
i am 18, Ahmed
2019-11-12 12:09
nah you're a child.
2019-11-12 13:47
Norway Warerks 
I am 18, Muhammed
2019-11-12 14:35
JW | 
Sweden gNeJS 
U fool nobody, Quisling
2019-11-14 13:46
Norway Warerks 
pls dont shoot me. im just trying to get pizza 😞
2019-11-14 16:03
Bulgaria GodHeaven 
no no no it not propaganda it political bait threads one time he was making fascist bait threads btw he is swedish
2019-11-11 19:19
Norway Warerks 
expeced from sweden. disgrace for scandinavia
2019-11-11 19:21
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
2019-11-12 15:51
when did i ever post fascist threads?
2019-11-11 19:28
Norway Warerks 
socialism is facism
2019-11-11 19:32
Bulgaria GodHeaven 
before you started posting about communism and socialism btw i was around here long time
2019-11-11 19:34
when did i start posting about "communism and socialism"?
2019-11-11 19:38
Bulgaria GodHeaven 
after you stopped posting about fascism
2019-11-11 19:39
Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Yeah dude it sucks im anxious for driving that sweet sweet Lada
2019-11-11 19:17
you should move to Viet NaM
2019-11-11 19:18
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Ok I respect you man but this is a pure failing of capitalism and the market. Also a question iv wanted to ask is do you really think another system would be better than capitalism?
2019-11-11 19:19
Vietnam rollofocker 
yes there is and it's called a mixed market but this can only exist in a country that generates a lot of wealth which it can spend on health care etc. and you don't have to spend all that wealth on military.
2019-11-14 13:31
ZywOo | 
North America Lemiwix 
Yup but he fundamentally hates capitalism
2019-11-14 14:35
ppk | 
Brazil 4vengerr 
do you think communism is better? ROFL
2019-11-11 19:22
I count at least 12 times more options to choose from than with communism
2019-11-11 19:28
there are 10 conglomerates in the picture
2019-11-11 19:30
Doesn't change the fact that I count 12
2019-11-11 19:30
there are 10 conglomerates in the picture
2019-11-11 19:32
the problem is that when they buy out a small brand,which usually has great quality, they destroy its products, lowering the quality in order to make more profit or outmatch the brand in order to capitulate it
2019-11-11 19:41
France OtelloO 
This is the burden of industrialisation, standardisation and global capitalism. Erasing the specificities and skills of all these small companies to make everything bland and uniform.
2019-11-11 21:22
seems like this method is used to nations too .
2019-11-12 19:47
Israel JoustingBunny 
???? I see lots of options.
2019-11-11 19:50
knew it was you
2019-11-11 19:56
we have alot of options indeed who cares about the main company managing the small ones? i just want different products to choose from
2019-11-11 19:59
Russia Darkrus 
Suggest a better system then. And no communism/socialism cant work, im russian, trust me on this one
2019-11-11 20:06
Bulgaria GodHeaven 
2019-11-11 20:13
Brazil kitten[!] 
2019-11-11 20:15
Finland TuureBoelius 
2019-11-11 21:17
doesn't matter
2019-11-12 09:19
The best argument of the year by ARBOGA: "doesn't matter"
2019-11-14 13:56
"And no communism/socialism cant work, im russian, trust me on this one"
2019-11-14 14:18
Still better than: doesn't matter
2019-11-14 15:38
Maybe it could.. but if you going to start a revoulution in Russia again even more people could die and it will end in another partocracy. Also many communists deny Soviet Union bad sides and if you ask those who don't, "Did you figured out how to fix it?" probably there would be no legitimate answer. And, opinion leaders and intellectuals, I guess this guy is one of them?
2019-11-12 21:06
how about socialism but no stalin murdering all the real socialists and committing crimes against humanity
2019-11-14 13:24
Vietnam rollofocker 
maybe there is a reason real communism hasn't been tried before. how are you going to coordinate a huge country without classes? who is going to manage the stakes of the working man? political realism is that there will always be people looking for power and unless you clearly define what power is and border it you give carte blanche to people who make 'great sacrifices' for the working man.
2019-11-14 13:36
computers, obviously. i have a hard time imagining a world with fewer restrictions on power than the one we currently live in, where rich people can literally kill people with their pollution, their disregard for safety, their greed, and not get punished for it at all. instead they are rewarded for this ruthless behaviour with millions of dollars.
2019-11-14 13:47
Vietnam rollofocker 
it's not so obvious. computers don't make legislature they can only enforce and track them. computers have no moral code so therefore this means computer don't solve shit. who programs the computers with rules? these are the PEOPLE that have all the power.
2019-11-14 14:34
well in past socialist states, they had to do a lot by hand and communication was more difficult, today with light speed communication and high level of automation and much better prediction of supply and demand of goods, it would be much easier to run a planned economy. in my country, the government does plan a large part of the economy. how much milk is produced, how much fish is caught, how much manure is produced, where stores are built, where houses are built, etc. its just the profit that is going to a few people instead of to the working class.
2019-11-14 14:38
Vietnam rollofocker 
computers don't make rules, people make rules. the implication of computers is 'objectivity' but in politics objectivity doesn't exist. so yes computers can help track but they won't help solve current economy problems because these are moral in nature.
2019-11-14 14:42
but computers dont cheat and lie. they actually do what they are programmed to do. so it will solve some moral problems, if more things are automated. you wont have to worry, whether a computer will try to avoid taxes, or misreport its production numbers for political reasons, or lots of other things. you set up a system that collects data about production from factories, and from stores about sales, and you cllect data about environmental impact, and then you make an estimate for how much production there should be in the future.
2019-11-14 14:52
Vietnam rollofocker 
those things are already happening but it doesn't mean jack shit sorry to say. in belgium we already have computers managing restaurants and bars these people have no power so they can't escape taxation. then we have panama papers. it doesn't matter if a computer or a journalist finds this corruption if they don't get punished. you don't have to be socialist to understand that people with power can cheat and don't get punished. this is something of all ages. i still believe in classes and meritocracy and a market economy AND i want the upper classes to play by the rules defined by society not by themselves. there are so many solutions to the problem but the answer is not dividing ourselves in shitty boxes like socialist and capitalist, it will only weaken the people. divide ourselves and let us be conquered.
2019-11-14 14:57
if those people in power were replaced with computers, instead of middle management in bars and restaurants, then it would make a difference im pretty sure that to solve any of these problems, you need to acknowledge that there are at least 2 boxes, 1 box with people who work for their money and play by the rules and 1 for people who dont do either of those things.
2019-11-14 15:04
mate surely you can tell by this guys response, he has no legitimate recommendations for change, other than the absurd and impractical, and isn't even aware of what the actual issues facing capitalist markets are.
2019-11-15 19:48
if your first point here is legitimately the most retarded thing I've read on hltv (considering its from you so you probably actually think it), you seriously need to do some more reading on history at almost any point in time or location. "i have a hard time imagining a world with fewer restrictions on power than the one we currently live in' - some uneducated nobody.
2019-11-15 19:47
im actually pretty well educated on this subject my friend. we havent seen as much excess from the rich as we have now, since the first world war. the US government is literally going to war at least once every decade to defend its corporate interests slaughtering millions of people so that the rich and influential people in the USA can continue to exploit those countries natural resources. in europe, we manipulate the economies of most poor countries on the planet to keep them dependent on us. if you are rich, you can buy anything and do whatever you want. rich people dont go to jail. you can for example, as a bank, buy a couple billion dollar worth of bitcoin and manipulate the course so you and your banking friends make money while all the goody two shoes crypto revolutionaries at home are losing it because they dont know the game is rigged. its an unregulated market so pump and dump is not forbidden. or you can put anoil pipe line down in some country in africa and legally shoot any native person who walks onto your property and claim they came to steal your oil and get away with it. my country's oil company, Royal Shell, calls this tuesday. or you can buy an island in the bahamas and put underaged sex slaves on it and invite bill gates, prince harry, donald trump, both the clintons, and everyone else who matters in america, and then mysteriously hang yourself in your cell with a rope while youre on 24/7 suicide prevention or some country's financial sector can cause a global stock market crash on purpose because they realized they were too deep down in the hole on some bad loans they couldnt pay off and they figured they were too big to fail anyway, destroying countless peoples live savings and actually killing a good amount of them, and no one will go to prison for it. rich people can get away with more in our global society than the king of fucking 13th century England keep looking the other way you filthy bootlicker. some day you will get fucked too and then your eyes will open.
2019-11-18 14:41
tldr come back to me when rich people can perform genocidal acts without repercussion, or even on a reduced level speak to me when the rich can murder without even a word coming from the avg person. from skimming this, you've just confirmed how ignorant you are of world history, and how stupid you are with regards to thinking that increased freedom, capability and capacity means less accountability. p.s. its literally an inarguable fact that we live in a period of time in which the wealthy are so accountable for their actions. congrats on listing what appears to be a collection of 16 yo opinions on global politics that do not discredit my point (i chose 16yo cus you just listed a bunch of stuff you can do in the 21st century and said cus you couldnt do exactly that in the 13th it means the rich are less accountable with is the epitome of a fallacy, and your ability to form a well-rounded argument is laughable). fyi- my boots get licked x
2019-11-18 22:26
>come back to me when rich people can perform genocidal acts without repercussion hi, im back, george bush jr. is still not in prison also epstein didnt kill himself >you've just confirmed how ignorant you are of world history, and how stupid you are with regards to thinking that increased freedom, capability and capacity means less accountability. no, you. > its literally an inarguable fact that we live in a period of time in which the wealthy are so accountable for their actions. thats what youve been taught to believe so you go to work 5 days a week at 9 am to make these fuckers money.
2019-11-19 09:24
United States xxpowmanxx 
Ok but you don't have to use these companies.
2019-11-11 20:13
ok google search gay porn
2019-11-11 20:17
There is a lot more choice that these, those are just the big brands so your point doesn't stand.
2019-11-11 20:20
uhm yeah no this is like 90% of the US market
2019-11-14 13:25
And I bet if you look to hamburger joints 90% is Burger King, KFC, McDonalds and a few others, but at the same time most every dinner will have a burger on their menu. I am not saying it is great that a few companies has a big market share, but it is not that same as there is only those few to choose from. And if you move outside the US I bet there is generally gonna be a lot more choice.
2019-11-14 17:01
United States JustBitsy 
And when you are standing in line for your daily government issued slice of bread youll be wishing you had any of these
2019-11-11 20:24
not rly because its all high fructose corn syrup
2019-11-14 13:26
United States JustBitsy 
2019-11-15 20:52
Sweden Trkmag 
All companies are slowly getting bought up by gigantic corporate clusters, which will eventually start buying each other, until nearly everything is owned by very few gigantic companies
2019-11-11 21:06
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Monopolies don't last. See: Standard Oil
2019-11-11 21:37
in those days, and days of the bell telephone company, USA had a functional antitrust agency that had power to break up those companies. they dont anymore.
2019-11-14 14:39
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
LOL no. Standard Oil was the company that caused the government to implement anti trust laws, despite the fact that it was in the process of losing its monopoly when those laws were put in place.
2019-11-14 22:32
yes and now those laws are no longer being upheld. the FTC has been stripped of its budget and made mostly powerless just like the EPA and every other agency that isnt directly elected that had any power to stop the corporations from maximizing their profits.
2019-11-18 14:22
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
The owner of any given company has the right to do business with anyone in any way they please, as long as it is mutual. You have no right to use violence to enforce your ideology.
2019-11-21 19:14
you can stop using eventually here, it already happened. check out how much of the tv and film market disney owns check how much comcast and verizon own check this picture of the food market.
2019-11-14 13:26
Sweden Trkmag 
Yes, it’s a terrible development, as they can dictate exactly everything when they own the whole production chain in a specific market.
2019-11-14 15:15
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Buy local instead of crying maybe?
2019-11-11 21:37
People like him who constantly cry about some monopol always buy the cheapest products from the market that are funny or not supplied exactly by those gigantic corporations.
2019-11-11 21:41
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
If things are so cheap and high quality that you buy them regardless then maybe a monopoly is not a problem? And when the monopoly inevitably fails and has to cut corners you can switch to a higher quality brand, or buy local?
2019-11-11 21:44
when there is a monopoly, there is no higher quality brand. or local. there is only 1 brand. thats what monopoly means.
2019-11-14 13:27
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
If things are so cheap and high quality that you buy them regardless then maybe *the company that produces those things becoming a* monopoly is not a problem? And when the monopoly inevitably fails and has to cut corners you can switch to a higher quality brand *that will realize the market demand for higher quality products*?
2019-11-14 22:33
as soon as the monopoly is established, the monopoly company can increase prices arbitrarily and reduce the quality of the product drastically because there is no competition. its always bad. the monopoly will not inevitably fail. without regulation, monopoly is the default state of a free market and which part of "in a monopoloy there are no competing higher quality brands" dont you understand? its called a monopoly. there are no competing products in a monopoly. competitors get bought and and dismantled. because thats actually cheaper than improving your product.
2019-11-18 14:25
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
As soon as the monopoly raises their prices or reduces the quality of their product there will be room in the market for competitors to establish themselves. If a monopoly does this they lose their monopoly. What part of this do you not understand?
2019-11-21 19:12
Germany Neckarstadion 
honestly kind of weird that Mars is on there, they just own a bunch of sweets and chewing gums
2019-11-11 21:40
billions of dollars worth of sweets and chewing gums
2019-11-14 13:28
Brazil Cleckzera 
yeah, of course, there are only 10 companies in the world
2019-11-11 21:55
less far from the tuth than you would like to think
2019-11-14 13:28
s1mple | 
Russia Sample_ 
wow destroyed with facts and logic
2019-11-11 22:05
capitalism is cringe
2019-11-11 22:32
Yes communism should come alive because I am a good mens and I want to share my staffs with other mens
2019-11-14 13:49
Worst bait fail in as long as I can remember, maybe in internet history.
2019-11-12 02:00
Another quality thread by arboga
2019-11-12 09:32
Brand loyality is poor idea anyway. Products varies more depending on model than brand. Just try different stuff and find out for yourself what you like.
2019-11-12 09:33
you missed the point
2019-11-14 13:29
So you assume that everything is same because it comes back to few companies? Read my point again.
2019-11-14 13:42
no, the point is that too much free market leads to less competition and less choice for consumers
2019-11-14 13:53
United States Globebuster 
what are you talking about lol the problem today is too much regulation, it's so much harder for ordinary people to create new businesses and that favors the already big companies we need more capitalism and more free market, not less
2019-11-21 19:42
Its the proactive choice to make terrible pointless choices on a frequent basis!
2019-11-12 21:08
+1 tax the companies equally please
2019-11-12 21:08
silence libtard
2019-11-14 13:19
fer | 
Brazil leguiza 
i never thought lacoste was from P&G and monster from coca cola holy shit
2019-11-14 13:30
Brazil sprk1 
capitalism at its finest. and people still believe in free market, liberalism...
2019-11-14 15:01
2019-11-14 15:33
Water is Wet What did you think ? That we have 50000000000000 Companys ? Take a look at the Media. its controlled by a few in every Country and then they call it "Free" at least in Western Worlds
2019-11-14 17:04
lol bro what do u want? there is other companies bro it doesn't matter we all gonna die
2019-11-14 19:15
shocking big companies have different brands
2019-11-14 22:33
thats a little piece of capitalism.. veryyyy little
2019-11-14 22:39
no it isnt, it is enevitable to happen in capitalism. Businesses strive to grow expand, consume other businesses. It's the nature of capital
2019-11-15 05:51
Doesn't mean that these are the only companies around though
2019-11-16 12:05
Not yet, but heading there
2019-11-16 15:46
2019-12-03 18:29
this isnt very diverse of thats the argument you're trying to make?
2019-12-03 19:38
Brazil eumesmo 
So, in socialism you have more options?
2019-11-15 17:25
imagine posting this and not including dupont, insurance companies, novant health, major telcos. but instead literally list all the flavors coke has developed. nice.
2019-11-15 20:35
2019-11-16 15:47
Everyone talks shit about socialism but socialism has NEVER killed a SINGLE person out of obesity!
2019-11-15 20:51
What has this to do with capitalism?
2019-11-18 14:40
the fact that 1. the means of production are private property and 2. the return on an investment into capital; R, is greater than the total growth of the economy; G, inevitably always leads to concentration of ownership of capital. until economic collapse, war, or natural disaster hits the reset button. regulation can delay this progress, but politicians can be bought too.
2019-11-18 14:49
United States Globebuster 
the options are still different
2019-11-21 19:38
03:00DivisionX vs SHIFT
01:00DETONA vs W7M
12:30AGO vs Wisla Krakow
Wisla Krakow
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